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Best Death Peanalty Idea Ever
bloodbone
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Hi all,
Well maybe this isn’t the best idea and I’m almost certain someone has proposed this before but I was thinking of it last night and had to whip off a post about it.
So When it comes to death penalty I have always thought mainstreams MMO’s offer far too little in the way of any meaningful penalty (e.g. Wow, TOR, AoC, WAR etc.). On the other hand “full looting” in some of the more “hardcore” MMO’s is fairly extreme and often leads to people never wearing there good gear. In my opinion full looting often has a negative effect on how people play, although this certainly depends on the game and is totally debatable.
To my knowledge there isn’t many MMO’s that offer much in-between the above 2 models (although I very well could be wrong).
Anyways my idea is that each class in a game would have 1 or 2 major buffs that could only be placed on themselves. Theses Buffs would be enough that it would fundamentally effect your play if you do not have them on.
Nothing new so far right? The catch would be you would only receive (e.g 6,10 or 15) Buffs over a 24 hour period. Meaning that if you died X number of times you would be kind of useless in competitive PvP or PvE.
This in my mind would make Raiding Deaths and Open world PvP meaningful enough that it would sting to die but not to the point where you quit the game and throw your computer out the window.
Obviously this system could be exploited and you would need to have safe guard to protect lower level or less powerful avatars. Overall though I think (if done right) this type of system could be spectacular.
What do you guys think?
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Perma Death is the best death penalty IMO.
Interesting but it still doesn't beat the way EQ did it back in the day, at least to me.
If somebody killed you they could loot 1 item you were wearing but bags were safe. Players could only attack you if they were either within two levels above or below meaning no high level ganking.
No battlegrounds which meant world PvP all the way.
I miss naked corpse runs
best bet would be to do like in racing!the one winning the fight get debuffed1everytime he win ,as for looting it isnt an issue most dont loot the player loot ,it is like looting a npc but instead its a player ,it isnt your stuff they loot lol
if say a player is debuffed say x time vs a certain player he become red flagged both faction can envelope him with they love!
So from what i gather, your penalty would be making people roll alts (if they dont quit before it), when they die too much and would be useless in pve/pvp for a day?
I support the ability to consider new forms of pvp; the proposed system though does not offer valuable rewards, it is one thing to have a risk, but without the reward no thanks.
I have never been a fan of "meaningful" death penalties. Single player games don't tend to have them, as you simply save often and reload, debuffing people for losing in PvP only stacks the odds further against you.
I guess for me the act of losing is punishment enough, and losing in PvP is mjore than enough, knowing you have been bettered. The DP debate has rattled on ad infinitum.
If you need to make special rulesets for the DP then perhaps it's not so perfect?
Is a death penalty fun?
No. Therefore GW2 is getting rid of it. IMO best death penalty idea to date.
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I'm not sure this translates into GW2, but in GW1 if you wiped in a dungeon your party was transported out of it, meaning you had to start over. I think, without any evidence, that they'll keep the same model, but if someone knows more on this it would be appreciated.
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This.
Have gating challenges .. like bosses difficult to kill. No or little death penalty please.
Having a non-functioning toon is NOT a reason to play.
I would tend to agree with this sentiment however, I get not everyone wants a death penalty. I will also cavet my inital idea with the fact that the (Buff/ Death Penalty) would not work in instanced or pre-set PvP zones as dying a bunch is usually factored into the model.
People care more about the loss of their time than the loss of some X factor.
Im with you, but I've had this idea for an inheritance system for years.
Goes like this, you die , your child ( new avatar ) inherits a portion of what you are, be it levels, skills, items, money.. the whole ball of wax.
Say you are playing an archer, it only makes sense your child would have a better than average knowledge of bows, and related skills, and the bonus to restart levels would equate to a level of experience taught to the child by the parent.
Far as I know this hasn't been discussed yet. However, I've seen videos of people starting a dungeon from the beginning and I never saw respawn points or anything. That being said, the areas you are talking about in GW1 were the story mode instances. You never got kicked out for a wipe just for going into instances/dungeons and exploring. There are always those little respawn pillars just outside town portals. Course with the accuring -15% DP it's sometimes better to start over anyway, but still.
As for people not caring, that's not a valid argument because you can't speak for everyone. I, for one, don't want to keep repeating the same piece of content because my team sucks and can't stop and think before making a move. If people start leaving because the team is terrible, the team ends, and the time spent is wasted. I also don't like looking bad in front of guildees and friends. At the same time, the lack of death penalty gives people the opportunity to experiment and try new strategy without the fear that their whole team will suffer for the rest of the run, because it failed.
I'm sure there are people that couldn't care less because there is no DP and might even screw up a run because of it, but that's not a sign of an issue with a game mechanic, that's a sign of immaturity. Immature players are not the game's fault.
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I hear what your saying but the idea would be if you have none of your 6 or 10 buffs left for the day you have to wait for a reset before you will be able to compete in competitive content again (so this really does become a loss of time issue)
How about a setup like this.
You die in world pvp, you are forced into another realm where you are required to farm up a set amount of resources for the other player, or their faction, or something.
Benefits for the victor in extra resources.
The loser wouldn't have to pay or lose anything but time. Although they are forced to assist the opposing faction before being allowed back into the main game. It may reduce corpse camping too since the loser would be out of that world for a bit.
Forced grind. Never.
nha the debuff is on a cooldown if you stay quiet for a say 30 minute you can start doing it again
also i love the idea of the winner taking more damage after each win to say 35% max for exemple reseted after 30 munite fo quiet if your flagged tho you cant port in any fashion you got to use mount!
I wasn't thinking of any long grind. Just something minimally tedious. More of a reminder that your death is benefitting the other faction.
I feel like people tend to miss the point of death penalties and assume because they played game X, and Y that had death penalty Z that this is what works and nothing else does... of course this is also forum-hyperbole. But I think death should be more integral to the game and not just tacked on... like just taking a typical WoW-type game and adding perma-death... it has to make sense to the game as a whole.
So best death penalty ever? I think the question is not fully formed, really it should be a question of what game model worked best with what death penalty? EQ with naked corpse runs, did it work because corpse runs were difficult? Or did it work because the game had lots of focus on cooperation between players and often times putting you in positioned where you needed help from others because it was otherwise impossible to say get your corpse back by yourself.
Or why full looting worked in a game like UO? Focus on crafting and resources allowed for stockpiles of armor/weapons in the areas often where you might be ressurrected (a town for instance has a bank, which allows you to access your stockpile).
But to suggest something like full looting (lets not forget UO also had monster looting) would work in a game just because full loot is the best? Blasphemy... the death penalty has to be chosen depending on the game model... not the other way around. Can't just decide you want to make a perma-death game then go and make a game and slap perma-death on it.
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i aint against this idea either!like you got camp a kid,you have to gather say 10 item via gathering skill.and if you get attacked it reset the number done!
This, give it to me now!
This isn't an original idea. I have suggested it many times before. Generally people don't like the idea.
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