One more thing: I didn't ask anyone to make games. I have no self-interests in how other people live their lives. They sure as hell don't care about me. If FS is "killing the industry" then leave it. Not my problem. Someone that actually LIKES to make games and not just do it to get rich (EA) will come along to replace them.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it is quite ignorant. What I do want to point out here is this ^. Are you saying you do the work you do all day long because you enjoy it and would do it for free if they stopped paying you? Or do you just think the people feeding your hobby should do so.
I thnk he is saying that an artist shouldn't be so concerned with money. If they love what they do the money will come. If they do art to make money then it hardly counts as art at all does it?
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I can see why people choose to pirate games sometimes with moves like these
stealing can rarely if ever be justified. I mean, if you need a loaf of bread or you will starve -- sure I get that. Stealing a video game, because you dont agree with the pricing model ? Just dont buy the game kid...and get a real job.
You are correct. Stealing is rarely justifiable.
File sharing luckly is NOT stealing. When will people get this.
AGAIN: FS allows the copying of data without loss of said data from the source. Loss of an item equals theft. I don't give a shit less what the law says. Their were laws to protect slavery on the books too. I would have GLADLY not have blindly followed them either. They both protected people from "losing money/property". People are NOT property. Either is data.
Just to be clear, I am not saying that FS and slavery are anywhere near the same. Just that the laws protecting them are.
/flamesuit on
Bring it. I know I'm right
FS is stealing you're stealing an IP that feeds peoples family’s you ignore this with ignorance if we had no piracy these companies could employee more people or give people a raise the fact is FS cost people jobs and livelihood’s that is by definition stealing. No you didn't take money from a dev but you took something of value from his employer and gave it to people for free people who might of otherwise bought the game so FS is very much stealing.
Theft means that you took something away from another person and now they don't have access to it while you do.
Wrong theft is taking something of value from someone whether its real, virtual or spiritual does not matter you took something of VALUE without paying that is THEFT. You can post what you believe, but what you believe is not the law and if you went in front of a jury and tried to argue this you would be found guilty. Your ignorance is amazing, but typical for this generation.
No shit.
What someones definition of "value" is should NEVER be a legal issue. I again bring up laws to protect slavery. Slaveowners "valued" their slaves. Laws were put in to protect that "valuable" commodity. Are you OK with that?
I value my money. Where are my rights to get reimbursed when I buy something that I "value" to not be what I payed for? How can you put a "value scale" on a non-physical item? The corporate laws you are talking about are silly at best and immoral at worst.
BTW I'm 40. I know how things work. It makes me sad.
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One more thing: I didn't ask anyone to make games. I have no self-interests in how other people live their lives. They sure as hell don't care about me. If FS is "killing the industry" then leave it. Not my problem. Someone that actually LIKES to make games and not just do it to get rich (EA) will come along to replace them.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it is quite ignorant. What I do want to point out here is this ^. Are you saying you do the work you do all day long because you enjoy it and would do it for free if they stopped paying you? Or do you just think the people feeding your hobby should do so.
I thnk he is saying that an artist shouldn't be so concerned with money. If they love what they do the money will come. If they do art to make money then it hardly counts as art at all does it?
When they don't have bills to pay, they will be able to make arts. When there are mouths to feed at home, you go for money first.
One more thing: I didn't ask anyone to make games. I have no self-interests in how other people live their lives. They sure as hell don't care about me. If FS is "killing the industry" then leave it. Not my problem. Someone that actually LIKES to make games and not just do it to get rich (EA) will come along to replace them.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it is quite ignorant. What I do want to point out here is this ^. Are you saying you do the work you do all day long because you enjoy it and would do it for free if they stopped paying you? Or do you just think the people feeding your hobby should do so.
I don't think he is saying that, as much as that in the "golden age" of MMOs and PC games (the time of the old interplay/Sirtech/Black Isle/and dozens of other now gone gaming houses) gaming companies made good games first and worried about the money second, because every product needs to great when you are small, just to survive.
Now, small game studios have all been absorbed by the big media giants, so any given product can be "meh" and the big boys don't care so much.
Games used to be made by "game companies" made mostly of gamers, not unlike their customers. Now they are made by big entertainment conglomorates/suits and are more concerned with "making the numbers" than making quality games.
I thnk he is saying that an artist shouldn't be so concerned with money. If they love what they do the money will come. If they do art to make money then it hardly counts as art at all does it?
So the two are mutually exclusive?
What other quaint idea's are you carrying in that head of yours?
One more thing: I didn't ask anyone to make games. I have no self-interests in how other people live their lives. They sure as hell don't care about me. If FS is "killing the industry" then leave it. Not my problem. Someone that actually LIKES to make games and not just do it to get rich (EA) will come along to replace them.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it is quite ignorant. What I do want to point out here is this ^. Are you saying you do the work you do all day long because you enjoy it and would do it for free if they stopped paying you? Or do you just think the people feeding your hobby should do so.
I thnk he is saying that an artist shouldn't be so concerned with money. If they love what they do the money will come. If they do art to make money then it hardly counts as art at all does it?
When they don't have bills to pay, they will be able to make arts. When there are mouths to feed at home, you go for money first.
I love how you portray the EA executives as struggling artist. these guys are fat cat execs who don't care about ANYTHING but bottom dollar. They made their money back on SWTOR. They could care less how well it does now. It has made profits, and that is all that matters.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
I thnk he is saying that an artist shouldn't be so concerned with money. If they love what they do the money will come. If they do art to make money then it hardly counts as art at all does it?
So the two are mutually exclusive?
What other quaint idea's are you carrying in that head of yours?
Yes the idea that art is not a tool of the corporations is very quaint isn't it? I hope your children grow up in public schools with no funding for the arts, and music. Let's just churn out a bunch of soulless consumers to feed the corporate machine!
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
One more thing: I didn't ask anyone to make games. I have no self-interests in how other people live their lives. They sure as hell don't care about me. If FS is "killing the industry" then leave it. Not my problem. Someone that actually LIKES to make games and not just do it to get rich (EA) will come along to replace them.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it is quite ignorant. What I do want to point out here is this ^. Are you saying you do the work you do all day long because you enjoy it and would do it for free if they stopped paying you? Or do you just think the people feeding your hobby should do so.
No because I actually "do work". Not a hobby. If someone started to build mine shafts without taking anything physical from my company and did it for free then I would find another line of WORK. Not all WORK is equal. What EA or whoever does does not equal what I do. Again I don't care about EA any more than they care about me. Remember this is the reason OP posted.
Making a friggin GAME in a medium that allows FS by its very nature (non-physical data) and then bitching because people actually have the nerve to do what is by the mediums nature (copying said non-physical data) avaliable to do is crazy. FS will never go away. No reason for it to. Digital media is designed to be copyed. Kinda the point of it. Don't bitch when it is used as intended.
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Not to get into the whole FS legal debate, but what I got out of it was- he can understand why people would choose to. And honestly I can also with dick moves like this from EA.
I will just wait and buy a used copy a few months down the road, or wait for a GOTY edition type thing. But I cant condemn pirates. Right or wrong its EA's nickle and dime business tactics that actually promote pirating.
I fought this same fight in another thread a little while back. I agree that file sharing is not stealing and I am not of this generation. No one has been able to show me who loses and what they lose.
If I download a game that I never had any intention of buying who lost? The developer would not have gotten any money from me to begin with. No one lost. I gained..and thats what pisses people off.
I think people get angry about file sharing because they pay for games and some people don't. It is really that simple. I believe they use the very grey area of the law to try and justify what really comes down to a "why do you get it for free and I pay" mentality. Some use it as a moral high ground to make themselves feel better about getting ripped off when they buy a crappy game and I'm sure some people are just morally against it. Morals are a funny thing though. It is not a one size fits all type of thing. The bottom line is that no one likes it when someone else gets something for free that they paid for.
As far as it damaging the industry I have yet to see any real proof of that. If a developer creates a good game people will buy it. ME3 will make boat loads of money even with people file sharing it. Would they have made more money with out file sharing? Who can really say? How can you account for something like that? You really can't. If 10,000 people get the game from file sharing does that mean all 10,000 of them would have bought the game? Nope. That doesn't even mean one of them would. It simply means that 10,000 people got to play the game for free. Once again thats the part that pisses people off.
One more thing: I didn't ask anyone to make games. I have no self-interests in how other people live their lives. They sure as hell don't care about me. If FS is "killing the industry" then leave it. Not my problem. Someone that actually LIKES to make games and not just do it to get rich (EA) will come along to replace them.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it is quite ignorant. What I do want to point out here is this ^. Are you saying you do the work you do all day long because you enjoy it and would do it for free if they stopped paying you? Or do you just think the people feeding your hobby should do so.
I don't think he is saying that, as much as that in the "golden age" of MMOs and PC games (the time of the old interplay/Sirtech/Black Isle/and dozens of other now gone gaming houses) gaming companies made good games first and worried about the money second, because every product needs to great when you are small, just to survive. Very well stated! That is what "artists" do. Create for its own sake. Not for the almighty dollar.
Now, small game studios have all been absorbed by the big media giants, so any given product can be "meh" and the big boys don't care so much.
Games used to be made by "game companies" made mostly of gamers, not unlike their customers. Now they are made by big entertainment conglomorates/suits and are more concerned with "making the numbers" than making quality games.
Let's think about DRM for a minute shall we?
DRM only affects the paying customer. Obviously. DRM cost money. Lots of it. Ubisoft paid $1 million? for their DRM for AC and so on. Who do you think they "passed the buck" to? The paying consumer that actually paid for it. They get shafted while the FSers paid nothing and STILL get the game. See the issue? Greed and fear and loathing that they won't get every penny out of the gaming pop causes them to include DRM and the extra costs involved. You the dear paying customer get shafted. Just because of GREED.
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One more thing: I didn't ask anyone to make games. I have no self-interests in how other people live their lives. They sure as hell don't care about me. If FS is "killing the industry" then leave it. Not my problem. Someone that actually LIKES to make games and not just do it to get rich (EA) will come along to replace them.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it is quite ignorant. What I do want to point out here is this ^. Are you saying you do the work you do all day long because you enjoy it and would do it for free if they stopped paying you? Or do you just think the people feeding your hobby should do so.
I don't think he is saying that, as much as that in the "golden age" of MMOs and PC games (the time of the old interplay/Sirtech/Black Isle/and dozens of other now gone gaming houses) gaming companies made good games first and worried about the money second, because every product needs to great when you are small, just to survive. Very well stated! That is what "artists" do. Create for its own sake. Not for the almighty dollar.
Now, small game studios have all been absorbed by the big media giants, so any given product can be "meh" and the big boys don't care so much.
Games used to be made by "game companies" made mostly of gamers, not unlike their customers. Now they are made by big entertainment conglomorates/suits and are more concerned with "making the numbers" than making quality games.
Let's think about DRM for a minute shall we?
DRM only affects the paying customer. Obviously. DRM cost money. Lots of it. Ubisoft paid $1 million? for their DRM for AC and so on. Who do you think they "passed the buck" to? The paying consumer that actually paid for it. They get shafted while the FSers paid nothing and STILL get the game. See the issue? Greed and fear and loathing that they won't get every penny out of the gaming pop causes them to include DRM and the extra costs involved. You the dear paying customer get shafted. Just because of GREED.
Exactly all this stuff only hurts the people who planned on buying the game in the first place. The reason I have pirated games in the past is to see if they are worth buying. Most were not.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
One more thing: I didn't ask anyone to make games. I have no self-interests in how other people live their lives. They sure as hell don't care about me. If FS is "killing the industry" then leave it. Not my problem. Someone that actually LIKES to make games and not just do it to get rich (EA) will come along to replace them.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it is quite ignorant. What I do want to point out here is this ^. Are you saying you do the work you do all day long because you enjoy it and would do it for free if they stopped paying you? Or do you just think the people feeding your hobby should do so.
I don't think he is saying that, as much as that in the "golden age" of MMOs and PC games (the time of the old interplay/Sirtech/Black Isle/and dozens of other now gone gaming houses) gaming companies made good games first and worried about the money second, because every product needs to great when you are small, just to survive. Very well stated! That is what "artists" do. Create for its own sake. Not for the almighty dollar.
Now, small game studios have all been absorbed by the big media giants, so any given product can be "meh" and the big boys don't care so much.
Games used to be made by "game companies" made mostly of gamers, not unlike their customers. Now they are made by big entertainment conglomorates/suits and are more concerned with "making the numbers" than making quality games.
Let's think about DRM for a minute shall we?
DRM only affects the paying customer. Obviously. DRM cost money. Lots of it. Ubisoft paid $1 million? for their DRM for AC and so on. Who do you think they "passed the buck" to? The paying consumer that actually paid for it. They get shafted while the FSers paid nothing and STILL get the game. See the issue? Greed and fear and loathing that they won't get every penny out of the gaming pop causes them to include DRM and the extra costs involved. You the dear paying customer get shafted. Just because of GREED.
The DRM on AC was cracked the day it was released and up on torrent sites lol. Money well spent o.O
I fought this same fight in another thread a little while back. I agree that file sharing is not stealing and I am not of this generation. No one has been able to show me who loses and what they lose.
If I download a game that I never had any intention of buying who lost? The developer would not have gotten any money from me to begin with. No one lost. I gained..and thats what pisses people off.
I think people get angry about file sharing because they pay for games and some people don't. It is really that simple. I believe they use the very grey area of the law to try and justify what really comes down to a "why do you get it for free and I pay" mentality. Some use it as a moral high ground to make themselves feel better about getting ripped off when they buy a crappy game and I'm sure some people are just morally against it. Morals are a funny thing though. It is not a one size fits all type of thing. The bottom line is that no one likes it when someone else gets something for free that they paid for.
As far as it damaging the industry I have yet to see any real proof of that. If a developer creates a good game people will buy it. ME3 will make boat loads of money even with people file sharing it. Would they have made more money with out file sharing? Who can really say? How can you account for something like that? You really can't. If 10,000 people get the game from file sharing does that mean all 10,000 of them would have bought the game? Nope. That doesn't even mean one of them would. It simply means that 10,000 people got to play the game for free. Once again thats the part that pisses people off.
QFT
I take no moral ground on FS. I take the "medium is founded on the principle of copying data without the loss of said data" ground. I take the "copying data created no loss of data to any party" ground. I take the "PROVE that FS has cost ANY company ANY amount of money" ground. I take the " I climbed the mountain because it's there" ground.
THAT is the ground FSers should stand on. Don't be embarrased about it! You did what is allowable by the medium it is created/distributed on!
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I fought this same fight in another thread a little while back. I agree that file sharing is not stealing and I am not of this generation. No one has been able to show me who loses and what they lose.
If I download a game that I never had any intention of buying who lost? The developer would not have gotten any money from me to begin with. No one lost. I gained..and thats what pisses people off.
I think people get angry about file sharing because they pay for games and some people don't. It is really that simple. I believe they use the very grey area of the law to try and justify what really comes down to a "why do you get it for free and I pay" mentality. Some use it as a moral high ground to make themselves feel better about getting ripped off when they buy a crappy game and I'm sure some people are just morally against it. Morals are a funny thing though. It is not a one size fits all type of thing. The bottom line is that no one likes it when someone else gets something for free that they paid for.
As far as it damaging the industry I have yet to see any real proof of that. If a developer creates a good game people will buy it. ME3 will make boat loads of money even with people file sharing it. Would they have made more money with out file sharing? Who can really say? How can you account for something like that? You really can't. If 10,000 people get the game from file sharing does that mean all 10,000 of them would have bought the game? Nope. That doesn't even mean one of them would. It simply means that 10,000 people got to play the game for free. Once again thats the part that pisses people off.
So, if I had an apple orchard and you took an apple from me, you could say that it was ok because you didn't plan on buying an apple from me anyway? If I had apples rotting because no one wanted to buy them, it's ok to take one because no one is buying them anyway so I'm not getting hurt by the loss of one apple?
Oh wait, an apple is physical and bits and bytes are not so you would never consider taking an apple from me for any reason, right?
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I fought this same fight in another thread a little while back. I agree that file sharing is not stealing and I am not of this generation. No one has been able to show me who loses and what they lose.
If I download a game that I never had any intention of buying who lost? The developer would not have gotten any money from me to begin with. No one lost. I gained..and thats what pisses people off.
I think people get angry about file sharing because they pay for games and some people don't. It is really that simple. I believe they use the very grey area of the law to try and justify what really comes down to a "why do you get it for free and I pay" mentality. Some use it as a moral high ground to make themselves feel better about getting ripped off when they buy a crappy game and I'm sure some people are just morally against it. Morals are a funny thing though. It is not a one size fits all type of thing. The bottom line is that no one likes it when someone else gets something for free that they paid for.
As far as it damaging the industry I have yet to see any real proof of that. If a developer creates a good game people will buy it. ME3 will make boat loads of money even with people file sharing it. Would they have made more money with out file sharing? Who can really say? How can you account for something like that? You really can't. If 10,000 people get the game from file sharing does that mean all 10,000 of them would have bought the game? Nope. That doesn't even mean one of them would. It simply means that 10,000 people got to play the game for free. Once again thats the part that pisses people off.
So, if I had an apple orchard and you took an apple from me, you could say that it was ok because you didn't plan on buying an apple from me anyway? If I had apples rotting because no one wanted to buy them, it's ok to take one because no one is buying them anyway so I'm not getting hurt by the loss of one apple? You got it! If you have apples rotting then you obviously don't "value" said apples. I value said apples. But if you were selling apples not letting them rot then THAT would be stealing because I deprived you of selling one apple. A physical apple does not equal a non-physical bit and byte.
Oh wait, an apple is physical and bits and bytes are not so you would never consider taking an apple from me for any reason, right? You know better than that I hope.
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I fought this same fight in another thread a little while back. I agree that file sharing is not stealing and I am not of this generation. No one has been able to show me who loses and what they lose.
If I download a game that I never had any intention of buying who lost? The developer would not have gotten any money from me to begin with. No one lost. I gained..and thats what pisses people off.
I think people get angry about file sharing because they pay for games and some people don't. It is really that simple. I believe they use the very grey area of the law to try and justify what really comes down to a "why do you get it for free and I pay" mentality. Some use it as a moral high ground to make themselves feel better about getting ripped off when they buy a crappy game and I'm sure some people are just morally against it. Morals are a funny thing though. It is not a one size fits all type of thing. The bottom line is that no one likes it when someone else gets something for free that they paid for.
As far as it damaging the industry I have yet to see any real proof of that. If a developer creates a good game people will buy it. ME3 will make boat loads of money even with people file sharing it. Would they have made more money with out file sharing? Who can really say? How can you account for something like that? You really can't. If 10,000 people get the game from file sharing does that mean all 10,000 of them would have bought the game? Nope. That doesn't even mean one of them would. It simply means that 10,000 people got to play the game for free. Once again thats the part that pisses people off.
So, if I had an apple orchard and you took an apple from me, you could say that it was ok because you didn't plan on buying an apple from me anyway? If I had apples rotting because no one wanted to buy them, it's ok to take one because no one is buying them anyway so I'm not getting hurt by the loss of one apple? You got it! If you have apples rotting then you obviously don't "value" said apples. I value said apples. But if you were selling apples not letting them rot then THAT would be stealing because I deprived you of selling one apple. A physical apple does not equal a non-physical bit and byte.
Oh wait, an apple is physical and bits and bytes are not so you would never consider taking an apple from me for any reason, right? You know better than that I hope.
Reading comprehension ftw.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I love how you portray the EA executives as struggling artist. these guys are fat cat execs who don't care about ANYTHING but bottom dollar. They made their money back on SWTOR. They could care less how well it does now. It has made profits, and that is all that matters.
I am not the one saying they are artist. As for people who are exec, they are not artist, their job is to make money, in which they seem to be rather good at. Like it or not, money matters in this world. At least I am not that blind to not see it. Would money/greed eventually destroy the world ? I don't know about that. I do know the world probably will not end for quite a while and what happens after is not for me to worry.
Contrary to the direction of this thread, EVERYONE here knows exactly what is wrong with stealing video games, they are just trying to justify their actions because of guilt.
My grandfather use to have an expression he lived by, " A thief, a liar, and cheater make. " He would never do business with any of them, because in his words, " A real man, a worthwhile man, is a man of character and honor. "
Sadly we now live in a society where real men, worthwhile men, men of character and honor are fewer and farther between.
The great tragedy of it is, we now live in a time where real men, men of honor and character have never been needed more.
I love how you portray the EA executives as struggling artist. these guys are fat cat execs who don't care about ANYTHING but bottom dollar. They made their money back on SWTOR. They could care less how well it does now. It has made profits, and that is all that matters.
I am not the one saying they are artist. As for people who are exec, they are not artist, their job is to make money, in which they seem to be rather good at. Like it or not, money matters in this world. At least I am not that blind to not see it. Would money/greed eventually destroy the world ? I don't know about that. I do know the world probably will not end for quite a while and what happens after is not for me to worry.
You and your family will be enslaved by big corporations before the world actually ends.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Contrary to the direction of this thread, EVERYONE here knows exactly what is wrong with stealing video games, they are just trying to justify their actions because of guilt.
My grandfather use to have an expression he lived by, " A thief, a liar, and cheater make. " He would never do business with any of them, because in his words, " A real man, a worthwhile man, is a man of character and honor. "
Sadly we now live in a society where real men, worthwhile men, men of character and honor are fewer and farther between.
The great tragedy of it is, we now live in a time where real men, men of honor and character have never been needed more.
People won't admit they are wrong till cops show up at the door, then they settle out of court.
Contrary to the direction of this thread, EVERYONE here knows exactly what is wrong with stealing video games, they are just trying to justify their actions because of guilt.
My grandfather use to have an expression he lived by, " A thief, a liar, and cheater make. " He would never do business with any of them, because in his words, " A real man, a worthwhile man, is a man of character and honor. "
Sadly we now live in a society where real men, worthwhile men, men of character and honor are fewer and farther between.
The great tragedy of it is, we now live in a time where real men, men of honor and character have never been needed more.
Which opens up the question is it ok to steal from a bad person? If your neighbor sells crack to children, and drops a wad of money on the curb. Would you feel bad about picking it up and putting it in your pocket? That's money he will not be able to buy more crack with to destroy the lives of the children.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
I love how you portray the EA executives as struggling artist. these guys are fat cat execs who don't care about ANYTHING but bottom dollar. They made their money back on SWTOR. They could care less how well it does now. It has made profits, and that is all that matters.
I am not the one saying they are artist. As for people who are exec, they are not artist, their job is to make money, in which they seem to be rather good at. Like it or not, money matters in this world. At least I am not that blind to not see it. Would money/greed eventually destroy the world ? I don't know about that. I do know the world probably will not end for quite a while and what happens after is not for me to worry.
You and your family will be enslaved by big corporations before the world actually ends.
You mean there are still people not under the big umbrella of big corporations ? WoW...what are you smoking ?
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I thnk he is saying that an artist shouldn't be so concerned with money. If they love what they do the money will come. If they do art to make money then it hardly counts as art at all does it?
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
No shit.
What someones definition of "value" is should NEVER be a legal issue. I again bring up laws to protect slavery. Slaveowners "valued" their slaves. Laws were put in to protect that "valuable" commodity. Are you OK with that?
I value my money. Where are my rights to get reimbursed when I buy something that I "value" to not be what I payed for? How can you put a "value scale" on a non-physical item? The corporate laws you are talking about are silly at best and immoral at worst.
BTW I'm 40. I know how things work. It makes me sad.
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When they don't have bills to pay, they will be able to make arts. When there are mouths to feed at home, you go for money first.
I don't think he is saying that, as much as that in the "golden age" of MMOs and PC games (the time of the old interplay/Sirtech/Black Isle/and dozens of other now gone gaming houses) gaming companies made good games first and worried about the money second, because every product needs to great when you are small, just to survive.
Now, small game studios have all been absorbed by the big media giants, so any given product can be "meh" and the big boys don't care so much.
Games used to be made by "game companies" made mostly of gamers, not unlike their customers. Now they are made by big entertainment conglomorates/suits and are more concerned with "making the numbers" than making quality games.
So the two are mutually exclusive?
What other quaint idea's are you carrying in that head of yours?
I love how you portray the EA executives as struggling artist. these guys are fat cat execs who don't care about ANYTHING but bottom dollar. They made their money back on SWTOR. They could care less how well it does now. It has made profits, and that is all that matters.
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Yes the idea that art is not a tool of the corporations is very quaint isn't it? I hope your children grow up in public schools with no funding for the arts, and music. Let's just churn out a bunch of soulless consumers to feed the corporate machine!
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
No because I actually "do work". Not a hobby. If someone started to build mine shafts without taking anything physical from my company and did it for free then I would find another line of WORK. Not all WORK is equal. What EA or whoever does does not equal what I do. Again I don't care about EA any more than they care about me. Remember this is the reason OP posted.
Making a friggin GAME in a medium that allows FS by its very nature (non-physical data) and then bitching because people actually have the nerve to do what is by the mediums nature (copying said non-physical data) avaliable to do is crazy. FS will never go away. No reason for it to. Digital media is designed to be copyed. Kinda the point of it. Don't bitch when it is used as intended.
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Not to get into the whole FS legal debate, but what I got out of it was- he can understand why people would choose to. And honestly I can also with dick moves like this from EA.
I will just wait and buy a used copy a few months down the road, or wait for a GOTY edition type thing. But I cant condemn pirates. Right or wrong its EA's nickle and dime business tactics that actually promote pirating.
I fought this same fight in another thread a little while back. I agree that file sharing is not stealing and I am not of this generation. No one has been able to show me who loses and what they lose.
If I download a game that I never had any intention of buying who lost? The developer would not have gotten any money from me to begin with. No one lost. I gained..and thats what pisses people off.
I think people get angry about file sharing because they pay for games and some people don't. It is really that simple. I believe they use the very grey area of the law to try and justify what really comes down to a "why do you get it for free and I pay" mentality. Some use it as a moral high ground to make themselves feel better about getting ripped off when they buy a crappy game and I'm sure some people are just morally against it. Morals are a funny thing though. It is not a one size fits all type of thing. The bottom line is that no one likes it when someone else gets something for free that they paid for.
As far as it damaging the industry I have yet to see any real proof of that. If a developer creates a good game people will buy it. ME3 will make boat loads of money even with people file sharing it. Would they have made more money with out file sharing? Who can really say? How can you account for something like that? You really can't. If 10,000 people get the game from file sharing does that mean all 10,000 of them would have bought the game? Nope. That doesn't even mean one of them would. It simply means that 10,000 people got to play the game for free. Once again thats the part that pisses people off.
Let's think about DRM for a minute shall we?
DRM only affects the paying customer. Obviously. DRM cost money. Lots of it. Ubisoft paid $1 million? for their DRM for AC and so on. Who do you think they "passed the buck" to? The paying consumer that actually paid for it. They get shafted while the FSers paid nothing and STILL get the game. See the issue? Greed and fear and loathing that they won't get every penny out of the gaming pop causes them to include DRM and the extra costs involved. You the dear paying customer get shafted. Just because of GREED.
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Exactly all this stuff only hurts the people who planned on buying the game in the first place. The reason I have pirated games in the past is to see if they are worth buying. Most were not.
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The DRM on AC was cracked the day it was released and up on torrent sites lol. Money well spent o.O
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I take no moral ground on FS. I take the "medium is founded on the principle of copying data without the loss of said data" ground. I take the "copying data created no loss of data to any party" ground. I take the "PROVE that FS has cost ANY company ANY amount of money" ground. I take the " I climbed the mountain because it's there" ground.
THAT is the ground FSers should stand on. Don't be embarrased about it! You did what is allowable by the medium it is created/distributed on!
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So, if I had an apple orchard and you took an apple from me, you could say that it was ok because you didn't plan on buying an apple from me anyway? If I had apples rotting because no one wanted to buy them, it's ok to take one because no one is buying them anyway so I'm not getting hurt by the loss of one apple?
Oh wait, an apple is physical and bits and bytes are not so you would never consider taking an apple from me for any reason, right?
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
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So it's fine if I borrow a physical copy of a game but if it's digital then I'm stealing? Sorry but that doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Reading comprehension ftw.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I am not the one saying they are artist. As for people who are exec, they are not artist, their job is to make money, in which they seem to be rather good at. Like it or not, money matters in this world. At least I am not that blind to not see it. Would money/greed eventually destroy the world ? I don't know about that. I do know the world probably will not end for quite a while and what happens after is not for me to worry.
Contrary to the direction of this thread, EVERYONE here knows exactly what is wrong with stealing video games, they are just trying to justify their actions because of guilt.
My grandfather use to have an expression he lived by, " A thief, a liar, and cheater make. " He would never do business with any of them, because in his words, " A real man, a worthwhile man, is a man of character and honor. "
Sadly we now live in a society where real men, worthwhile men, men of character and honor are fewer and farther between.
The great tragedy of it is, we now live in a time where real men, men of honor and character have never been needed more.
A lot of laws do not make sense yet they are the laws. It will not change much sadly since people who are making them do not know much.
You and your family will be enslaved by big corporations before the world actually ends.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
People won't admit they are wrong till cops show up at the door, then they settle out of court.
Which opens up the question is it ok to steal from a bad person? If your neighbor sells crack to children, and drops a wad of money on the curb. Would you feel bad about picking it up and putting it in your pocket? That's money he will not be able to buy more crack with to destroy the lives of the children.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
You mean there are still people not under the big umbrella of big corporations ? WoW...what are you smoking ?