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Stop economy from being ruined in WoW
Zangk
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Here is something i found telling about people destroying the WoW economy,
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-suggestions&t=13873&p=1&tmp=1#post13873
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Honestly, I can agree with the man. I just dont understand the people that do this. They play the game, to make money? I mean, arent there better, more efficient ways of making a little bit of money? I play the game, just to have some damn fun, and thats all! I had the opportunity of selling my 60 Bard and Paladin in Everquest, but I decided not to, because I dont support it. I just gave all my items to all my near friends. I know that Blizzard came out with something, regarding selling their accounts, but I just wish they would find the majority of the people who do this. A friend of mine does it, and I will never understand it. Although, a friend of mine, it would be enjoyable for me to see him get caught doing this.
You can talk just about anyone into buying something small or useless in real life for a lot of money. I. e., all of those people who will spend their entire salary browsing through E-Bay and buying items and stuff.
I remember I used to deal through E-bay on other games. You've got to be kidding when you say "A little bit of money," right?
That's kind of one the reasons why I really don't play MMORPGs anymore and stick to consoles. I mean, no matter what Blizzard or anyone else does, people are going to be ignorant and/ or smart and find their way around the "system" to continue to sell anyting from these games for personal profit.
Think of it this way, if a person makes under $10 an hour at their job and they want to find a better way to make money per say.....selling online gaming items or accounts, they could make money ranging from $30 to well over $1500 bucks depending if it's an account or items. That's about $37.50 (tax free) an hour based on a 40hr work week.....a hell of alot more then what most people make at their jobs.
These people could care less if it destroyed a gaming economy or not because they will just move on to the next game for continued profits. I don't like it one bit because it makes all my time and effort towards something seem worthless when the next guy who bought the items/account did it without any effort or time spent in the game, when, othewise these may take hours and hour or months to receive. The end result will be a killed economy as we all know....
This is what baffles me. I've never bought from ebay, and never sold on ebay, but how can selling virtual gold for real money "ruin the economy"? The seller isn't "minting" his own gold and throwing it on the server, he's earned the money, it's ALREADY IN THE ECONOMY. Selling gold that you've already earned on ebay doesn't ruin the economy anymore than if I just gave all that gold away. Hell it doesn't effect anymore than if I just kept it and spent it myself.
The only thing that will ruin the economy is credit (gold) duping. Creating money from nothing.
Yes it does ruin the economy!!! It's not Level 60 players that are buying Gold on Ebay! It's NOOBS that are buying Gold on ebay!!! They are the cheaters that start at level 1 with 300 Gold on hand, go to the auction hall, buyout all the Weapons, armors and 16 Slot bags they need, thus making us the non-cheating players have a hard time finding good weapons to buy!
When the sellers notice they can sell items for a higher price and it will be bought out, it causes inflation for the non-cheaters while the cheaters rejoice.
Take Linen! It used to be so cheap for a stack! Now they cost as much as buying wool these days! And it will keep increasing as long as noobs can still buy 300 gold for 50$ on ebay.
Think about it. Someone sells a Rare blue item on the Auction hall at an insane price. If there was no cheaters, no one would of bought that rare item, so the next day, the seller would put it back on the AH for cheaper, and he would repeat that until it it came to a decent price and a non-cheater would spend his valuable money to purchase it. But no thanks to Ebay-whores, they don't care... they have 300 gold that didn't take any effort to gain. They'll buy it at an expensive price, it gives the seller an illusion that it's okay to sell those items overpriced, he will keep selling them overpriced and help the cheater community, not the real non-cheater community!
See what I mean? IGE, Ebay and the like f*** up the economy no matter how much you wanna argue. It causes inflation, we suffer, it influences more people to go on Ebay and buy gold cause it becomes too expensive to buy items anymore. In no time everything will be overpriced.
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I think it does impact the economy not in that more total gold is in there (you're right the total amount of Gold is the same) but the fact that spreading a large amount of gold among numerous players skews demand. In other words, if you have 1000g concentrated in one person, there is only so much that person can demand -- he still wants one epic sword, so the fact that he has a ton of money and spends some of it buying his one epic sword should not have an impact on the price of epic swords overall. If you have 10 peopls with 100g, however, and they are all in the epic sword market and willing to pay a lot of an epic sword, that will drive the price of epic swords up. What the gold selling does is to bump up the number of players who have substantial gold above what it would otherwise be, and that impacts demand. The total amount of gold in the economy is not the only relevant factor, therefore, it is also relevant how many artificially rich players you have because they drive up demand more than one rich person does, and that has an impact on prices overall.
Right but you're both missing something essential: Now you too can charge outrageous prices for items, which will give you a ton of money to buy the things that you need that are also at outragous prices. Soon that outrageous price becomes the norm, and again everything balances out. That's the beauty of economy it will only support what it will support, and will all balance out in the end.
Whether or not it is ethical to buy credits/gold from ebay is a different matter althogether. Personally, I think wasting real money on an item in a video game that you can get with a little bit of work is just goofy, but to each their own.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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i would say that the only thing that could potentially ruin the "economy" (if there is such a thing), would be duping.
selling creds for cash that was "earned" doesn't do much IMO... only duping would cause serious problems....
Let me clarify a bit.
I don't think that the people who are ebaying are using it to buy normal stuff. In WoW it is easy enough to buy normal stuff. I think they are using it either to finance purchasing mounts (which doesn't have an impact on the economy, I agree, although it is very unfair to other players) or to finance purchases of more uber gear. So the demand for uber gear shoots up (and the prices will rise commensurately) when there are these folks who hae eBay money in the market looking to buy them. And that makes it all the harder for non-eBayer ever to afford them. I agree that it probably doesn't have much impact on the normal items, but I think it's likely that it has a significant impact on the demand for more rare items at higher prices. I'm not sure that this "ruins" the game, but it certainly impacts the game for players who are not eBaying.
Philosophically it's a clash between the viewpoints that (a) these are games that people should play by a certain set of rules to be fair to everyone OR (b) these are purchased entertainment items, and if someone wishes to spend more of their RL dollars to enhance that entertainment experience that is their business. These are really two irreconcilable perspectives, I think. I tend to favor the first view point because to some degree the games are competitive (esp games that have PvP in them) and at some level (even if it is only on the margin for certain rare items) it does impact the non-eBayer's game.
I agree with him, but to an extent.
Because why should people buying n account ruin my game?? It doesn't and you know why? Becasue I am not the one buying the account. I am playing from lvl 1-60...get me the 900g for an epic mount by work and farming and levleing.
I am not the one going on ebay and buying an account or an item or gold or anything....I have thoguht about it, but then I thought...why?! I can do this on my own.
so if your gonnas let this ruin your game then jsut don't play MMORPg's at all.
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If u want to know how buying/selling ingame money can ruin a game go play Lineage 2.
And that crap about the economy always balancing itself out is so not true, newbie stuff never sells for 3-4x its worth so linen might cost pennies and is fine for new players until they get to wool which is 2x its regular price and they gotta farm, farm, farm to buy it, then when they finally build up to be able to use silk, its 5x its regular price because there is soooo damn much money in the high-end of the game that newbies are forced to E-bay or farm for weeks on end to be able to afford stuff. An inflated economy is great when u have the stuff to sell at inflated costs but when ur a new player it just makes it hell and forces new players out of the game.
Johnark, once again...i agree. Its true, newbs go and buy gold off ebay then just splatter it all over the board. they figure since they have the money, why not buy up all the supplies i need to get leatherworking up to 200. And when you see a low level with a blue weapon...most likely his main character didnt fork over the money to the sub.
my conclusion...it does mess up the economy. you buy gold on there...you should have your account suspended...no questions asked. ruins it for the rest of us.
heres what i figure, from what i hear if you find anyone selling stuff on ebay and report it, WoW will probably say thanks but also bann the character or suspend. So if they want to try and controll at least some of this they could either get volenteers to go searching ebay for these people or they could hire people. but thats if they were desperate enough, i doupt they ever will be. But if you ever feel like being a vigilantee you can just go around looking for these people and report them
No matter what you say about this matter these ebay buyers will allways be around as long as there not banned or punish for it they try make money.
And as bad or even more evil or dumb are the idiots who buy the gold to get uber gear from low lvl to lvl60 and brag about.
Ingame when i see that sort of guys LMAO there losers but i dont care they dont (there to stupid) so i go have fun play my game and if i can not afford stuff on AH i go farm try get it if not well shame but i have fun with less uber gear then its only a game.
Morons everywhere there desease but there easely spottted i ignore and only play talk with nice peeps and honest players they also easely found ingame world of warcraft is big many things and places to have fun with good and nice peeps.
After a year or two years i dont even know these dumbs becouse i dont pay attention to stupid L337 talk or spoiled rich kids who buy on ebay.
PvP is where the fun is and if some have uber gear becouse they got it on ebay way well so be it there only a few who have that most will not so its not realy a big deal.
Btw its shame they still aloud moron names in wow thought blizzard would not aloud these realy dumb names pitty:(
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I'm not going to argue the laws of economics with anyone (they are obvious so you either get it or you don't) but people have been buying money on ebay for as long as there has been ebay and MMO's, and NOTHING like what is described has happened. There have always been "newbie resouces" left for the non-ebayers. This whole thing is just a slippery-slope argument that has no validity, and plenty of proof to the contrary.
You keep saying that but I havn't seen any proof from you.
I think you guys are a bunch of whiners, just play the f****** game and have fun.
Amen!
who cares? lol
if you have the money to sell, and you worked for it, does it really matter? Besides, this is a game, I seriously doubt most people will care about the "economy" of a game.
Don't get excited about a tax cut. It's like a mugger giving you back fare for a taxi.
LOL what economy?
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I think this does ruin all mmo games. here is my point of view from FFXI. when ffxi first came out uber gear say a sniper ring was like 75k, now there 500k and that is from people buying E-money. After leaving my 74 galka i will never say in an mmo game that requires me to spend hours to farm emoney for what i feel is very basic items.
Bottom line is if i gota farm and ONLY FARM (ie not level xp quest JUST FARM) i will not stay in any mmo game that requires that. so if wow requires that then i gota go. My days of spending 3 weeks of farming nights to obtain a basic piece of armor are DONE, game <> work, im all about fun so um yeah. im kinda pissed.