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A healthy rant
DannyGlover
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I would say GW2 is mostly hyped by players not the developers. The developers has been so transparent with their work and the amount of footage you can watch and read, this hype is not based on basless assumptions/hype.
Anet opened up the hate with the manifesto video. They basically trash talk the genre under a thinly veiled "we're here to innovate" theme.
You have to realize how much this has shaped the attitude of so many GW2 fanboys.
"If you hate mmos, you'll really wanna play GW2" Really? This is like a war cry for every troll and hater to bandwagon GW2 and trash everything else.
And you wonder why we have threads about people not wanting to play this game because they are wary of being stuck with a community of douchebags.
Anet validated every jaded, burnt out, treadmill slave and basically said its not your fault for playing that way, its the game's fault for allowing it. So much easier to not have to take responsibility for your own actions when you can just blame the developer. Its Blizzard's fault that you jumped on the gear treadmill right? You had no choice, and no other gameplay options were viable. Not because you wanted the best gear. No. Its because you were forced to repeat content because of bad game design.
Don't worry, Anet will liberate you from those awful companies with their evil agendas. They remove instanced raiding and progressive gear stats and say "We fixed it". IMO fixing a game mechanic by removing it really isn't innovative. There isn't anything wrong with raid progression through attaining stronger gear. Its when people compulsively play this way without any self regulation that it can be problematic. So Anet removes it and the blind can suddenly see. Its a miracle!
Play for fun is their mantra. Has this really become such a groundbreaking idea? I'm pretty sure tens of millions of gamers around the world do this already. So why does GW2 get to tout this as their innovation? They are catering to a group of gamers that haven't played a game for fun in years. Now these people have been reminded that games are meant to be fun and feel the need to save us all. Because if they weren't having fun, then surely the rest of us were just as miserable.
But how do you convince people that they aren't having fun and GW2 will save them? Talk as much shit about the people who are having fun with mmos that are currently out. Call them sheep, mindless, rabid fanboys. Whatever it takes to convince themselves that they are making the right choice.
Sorry, just needed to get that off my chest. I feel better haha. Sometimes a good rant clears the cobwebs for a while.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
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/clap
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/raises glass in salute to a brave soul
/popcorn
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A
People have been begging for innovation for years, all culminating in the humaliating performance of Bioware absolutely shamelessly copying and then failing at being WoW. Something which the SW IP began with the NGE resulting in at least 1 developers suicide. To say that GW2 devs have some how manipulated players into thinking the genre needs innovation is retarded. Anyone can see how uncreative and downright pathetic the MMO industry has become.
I like that. But I would say removing the gear progression thing isn't letting the blind see, but making everyone blind, so we are all the same.
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The irony is that these people have probably spent so long without having fun in an MMO that they're going to have a bad experience in GW2 no matter how great it ends up being.
Poignant points and observations.
Now let's wait and see how many take this as an insult to their character and intelligence, or pounce upon it to denigrate the game and bolster their own.
I dislike Anet fans for the same reason I dislike Ron Paul supporters.
Anet fans seem to get offfended when you state some flaws about this game, subjective or otherwise. While this happens in most other MMOs GW2 is by far the worst that I have seen.
I can't really explain it.
Needless to say I expect a whole lotta QQing release.
Edit: I kinda can explain now.
My problem with GW2 fans is that they think that its only Anet who is making their game fun and everyone elses game is nothing more then a carrot on a stick. I think thats pretty ignorant to assume that someone doesn't play a game like WoW because they enjoy the classic RPG type combat unlike GW2 action based.
Naw. I may not be reading (or trolling) the GW2 forums, but FFXIV had one of the most epic fans vs critics fights around. I was there, I saw it all and lived to tell the tail on other MMO's!
Taru-Gallante-Blood elf-Elysean-Kelari-Crime Fighting-Imperial Agent
I've gotta say, with that thread title, I came in here assuming it was gonna be the opposite. Kinda like when somebody says, "I'm not trolling, but..."
That was actually, yes, a healthy rant! Almost literally, here:
"Its when people compulsively play this way without any self regulation that it can be problematic. "
And that's why I don't. I WILL NOT raid-grind for gear. I'm up for any raid that sounds like fun, but I'm not gonna keep pulling the lever over and over til' the fish biscuit pops out. (Hmmm... out of context, that sounds like sexual innuendo...) Either way, I'm perfectly happy with non-raid grinded gear which gives .0002% less protection or does .0005% less dps, thank ya very much.
I'm looking forward to GW2, to see if they manage to remove some of the mechanics that have always bugged me about MMO's and replaced with (hopefully) something better. But unlike many I've seen on this board, I don't feel the need to constantly troll every other game that has come out since GW2 was announced.
And I certainly agree; every game has its cheerleaders that come out trashing other up and coming games, but the GW2 crowd is certainly in a league of their own. Maybe it's just a case of this forum being loaded with GW2 fans and thus most that are spewing bile are usually GW2 fans by default. But either way, it's certainly not just a typical case of new MMO venom...
It needs more tits!
But generally I agree with you.
Taru-Gallante-Blood elf-Elysean-Kelari-Crime Fighting-Imperial Agent
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
/standing ovation
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Come on now...aren't you too old for this shit?
I didn't really like the manifesto video, but GW2 still looks good to me. When it comes down to it, a company has to self-promote. If you go in for a job interview, you need to sell yourself some, even if it feels a little weird. Are you just going to walk in and say, "Yeah, I'm okay, I guess, so you should hire me." The manifesto video served its purpose... it got a lot of people excited about the game. Did they oversell it? Yeah, but you kind of have to in this market.
I only watched it once, and it seemed a little shameless, but understood that they needed something dramatic right out the gate. Since then, they've toned it down. They just needed to get GW2 really out there in a big way. To be honest, I think they will deliver on most of what they are promising. They do have some pretty good ideas that seem to stick out in a market that has grown rather stagnant.
Their whole "fun" angle is just kind of jumping off the complaints that many people already had about most MMOs. Going back to what I already said, it's important to grab people's attention. See, I saw the manifesto before I really got into GW2, and I rolled my eyes at it. However, it was on my radar at that point, because they made it seem like a big deal. I, like many other people, follow things that make a big splash... just like I followed SWTOR. Although, the more I found out about TOR, the less interested I became. It was the opposite with GW2.
At the end of the day, ArenaNet is a company that needs to pay the bills. I think that as long as they deliver on what they promise and they give a good value for the game, then it doesn't really bother me how they promote it.
Good read, explains a lot of the hype I guess.
I hated the SWTOR, Biocrap about innovation and revolutionising and the mindless trashing of every opinion that was not slavish from the fanatics last year.
GW2 fanatics are in danger of going that route, I remember someone saying just "I don't get why this game is so hyped" just that nothing else, they were then labelled as "hating on the game", it's just dumb.
Sadly I can see Archeage going down hat route closer to release.It will be fun when GW2 releases for many reasons but mainly for the drama that will ensue on these and other boards around the t'internet, I'll certainly be here with a large bag of popcorn watching the many have a reality check. It looks like a good game but I will not know that until I play it unlike the AN minions that populate these boards and constantly tell us exactly what it will do to all the known competition and the future of gaming as if it is a known quantity. So Mr Glover thanks for giving me a rye smile and nod to the future of these boards, I cannot wait for the fallout.
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Nevaaaaaaaah!
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
well said!
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
I don't even get this. Where are all this rapid GW2 fanboys everyone keeps speaking of? I see people who are extremely excited about the game put out criticisms on the forums of features they don't like or are unsure about on the forums. I don't see the trash talking of the genre you are talking about as I know plenty of GW2 fans who are also excited for games like TSW and Archeage and are even playing various MMOs right now including *gasp* SW:TOR and WoW.
I have a healthier suggestion for you then publically ranting about Guild Wars 2 fanboys, how about just ignoring them? If someone can see absolutely no wrong with any particular game whether it's FFXIV, Guild Wars 2, WoW, or SW:TOR there is no reasoning or discussing that so just ignore the person and doing so is toxic to everyone involved. The same way having someone basically group anyone excited about GW2 into the same group as them. It's all basically one form of trolling or another.
Another suggestion is if you don't like a particular game avoid threads about them. I don't go wandering on the SW:TOR forums looking to start trouble because I don't like or have any interest in playing SW:TOR. If I saw a thread on general discussion related to SW:TOR I wouldn't get involved. People really enjoy that game and who the hell am I to tell them otherwise? If you are excited about a game that hasn't released yet or enjoy a game that has released then that's good for you and it shouldn't matter what someone else says.
every single person who voices their displeasure with the same recycled mmo design and of course every single person who dislikes SWOTR is a rabid, evil, spiteful, hurtful, dilusional, crazed, hypocritical, butt-bruising Guild Wars 2 fan.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
As a counter-point, I do want to see games fail. In particular, I want to see shoddily conceived, ill-crafted and ill-executed games fail. I want to see the games that are only made for the quick buck fail. EA is squarely alligning itself in this camp of game companies.
There was a thread on these boards a while back that makes this same argument. If people are going to accept crap and pay for it, what incentive is there for the game companies to strive to make something innovative? We're all lucky that ANet is around, because at least they're honestly attempting a new model and they are showing us in demos and videos and betas that it works.
Hype generally comes from the companies. We saw it with AoC, we saw it with Rift, we recently saw it with SWTOR. We see talking head videos telling us (not showing us) about the alleged innovation. ArenaNet has said, "We're doing A, B & C," and then we, the players, are shown A, B & C.
Re: SWTOR
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