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So ANET can't afford a forum? Why?

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  • headphonesheadphones Member Posts: 611

    Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

    Does anyone else find the irony in this thread amusing?

    nope. (wait for it). my wife does my irony for me.

  • headphonesheadphones Member Posts: 611

    Originally posted by ComfyChair

    Originally posted by headphones


    Originally posted by ComfyChair


    Originally posted by NMStudio


    Originally posted by InFaVilla


    Originally posted by NMStudio

    They have very good reasons for not having forums:  This requires people wanting to talk about the game to do so on other gaming sites, thus drawing more attention to the game and building up hype.

    Which is fine before the game releases. However, when it is released I would prefer to see an official forum. Specially a limited forum like the poster above suggested.

    I'm guessing that there will be a beta forum, as well as a customer support forum on release.  I could also see them leaving out the customer support forum and building a large knowledge base/ FAQ type thing, in order to avoid the public ranting and the doomsday cults that are bound to rise up.

    I'm not sure that they will you know. It's pointless for them, guild wars 2 guru is already as good, if not more so, than any community forum they could host. It also happens to have one of the most well managed tech support forums around (not that i'm biased at all <.< >.>).

    Considering GW2Guru also happens to be where the developers directly interact with forums users already it seems like a lot of hassle, setting up the forums, for something which is already established.

    you could argue gw2guru is the official forums, as some have pointed out.

    which might explain its over-policed big brotheresque whiff of suckholery.

    i feel sick to my stomach every time i've visited.

    As a long time member on those forums, you start to see a pattern of which threads fall into the sarlaac of thread deletion.

    They're all either: clones of other threads, against the forum rules, or blatant trolling.

    They don't delete threads merely for criticism, as much as people would like the believe it when their clone/offensive/troll thread is rightfully splatted. If they did, why do you hear about the 'gw2guru fans overreacting'?

    I find it quite nice to not have threads like 'gw2 will suck balls trolololol' existing because the mods don't want to feel too 'big brothery'. I'd delete them.

    i would much rather yawn than conform.

  • ComfyChairComfyChair Member Posts: 758

    Considering forums are about discussion, the only way not to conform would be to be a dick and troll :)

    Those 'non-conformists' should be banned :p

  • SythionSythion Member Posts: 422

    I wish my wife would do my irony for me.

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  • headphonesheadphones Member Posts: 611

    Originally posted by ComfyChair

    Considering forums are about discussion, the only way not to conform would be to be a dick and troll :)

    Those 'non-conformists' should be banned :p

    i find in most cases, the words "dick" and "troll" is often applied to someone who simply refuses to believe as you do and tow the party line in regard to spreading only positive vibes, man.

    while i don't see why anet don't have an official forum, i don't much care if they do or don't. i find much of what's on an official forum is usually pro-rubbish or raider-whining. happy to do without either.

    for me, i keep coming back here.

    not sure why, but it feels more juicy than some. like it's not the opinions getting deleted.

  • headphonesheadphones Member Posts: 611

    Originally posted by Saxx0n

    ... and the mod for not locking this garbage troll thread ...

    now THAT would be irony...

  • GeeTeeEffOhGeeTeeEffOh Member Posts: 731

    Originally posted by headphones

    Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

    Does anyone else find the irony in this thread amusing?

    nope. (wait for it). my wife does my irony for me.

    Yeah, well, when she does your irony, you'd better make sure she doesn't pull on this loose thread when she sees it. 

  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,074

    I hope they don't have an official forum. DAOC didn't have official forums and the server communities were tight knit. They had feedback forms you could fill out from their website that were compiled and read at their meetings. They often posted responses on their websites to questions and concerns.

    In todays market, all forums are is a place for trolls and fanbois to fight. I don't care for them and I don't think the forums are worth the cost.

  • ComfyChairComfyChair Member Posts: 758

    Originally posted by headphones

    Originally posted by ComfyChair

    Considering forums are about discussion, the only way not to conform would be to be a dick and troll :)

    Those 'non-conformists' should be banned :p

    i find in most cases, the words "dick" and "troll" is often applied to someone who simply refuses to believe as you do and tow the party line in regard to spreading only positive vibes, man.

    while i don't see why anet don't have an official forum, i don't much care if they do or don't. i find much of what's on an official forum is usually pro-rubbish or raider-whining. happy to do without either.

    for me, i keep coming back here.

    not sure why, but it feels more juicy than some. like it's not the opinions getting deleted.

    People who aren't open to discussion use those terms against legitimate concerns :) But GW2guru doesn't. I'm referring to blatant trolling. Not 'i feel that NCSoft are overcharging europeans' (which is perfectly true), but 'LoL! This game sucks!' (thread contents: 'that is all').

    There are a lot of people who abuse terms all the time, and they're essentially useless to debates. Unfortunately, that's the internet for you.

  • GeeTeeEffOhGeeTeeEffOh Member Posts: 731

    Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

    Originally posted by headphones


    Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

    Does anyone else find the irony in this thread amusing?

    nope. (wait for it). my wife does my irony for me.

    Yeah, well, when she does your irony, you'd better make sure she doesn't pull on this loose thread when she sees it. 

    BTW, I tried to continue with the jokes, but I think it just came undone.

  • InFaVillaInFaVilla Member Posts: 592

    Originally posted by ComfyChair

    Originally posted by headphones


    Originally posted by ComfyChair

    Considering forums are about discussion, the only way not to conform would be to be a dick and troll :)

    Those 'non-conformists' should be banned :p

    i find in most cases, the words "dick" and "troll" is often applied to someone who simply refuses to believe as you do and tow the party line in regard to spreading only positive vibes, man.

    while i don't see why anet don't have an official forum, i don't much care if they do or don't. i find much of what's on an official forum is usually pro-rubbish or raider-whining. happy to do without either.

    for me, i keep coming back here.

    not sure why, but it feels more juicy than some. like it's not the opinions getting deleted.

    People who aren't open to discussion use those terms against legitimate concerns :) But GW2guru doesn't. I'm referring to blatant trolling. Not 'i feel that NCSoft are overcharging europeans' (which is perfectly true), but 'LoL! This game sucks!' (thread contents: 'that is all').

    There are a lot of people who abuse terms all the time, and they're essentially useless to debates. Unfortunately, that's the internet for you.

     

    It is still no reason for why they would be deleted rather than just locked or moved to a "trashbin" section of the forum.

    The problem with deletion as practice is that it is too easily abused. Too easy to step over the edge, and if you do, who will investigate you and see what thread you deleted "wrongly"? Noone, I am afraid. That's why that is a bad system.

  • junzo316junzo316 Member UncommonPosts: 1,712

    I think it's rather ridiculous for a AAA MMO not to have an official forum of some type.  I generally visit an official forum when I need some type of help with a quest, having issues logging in, or to read discussions on how best to play my class when the game is down for maintenance.

     

    Yes, official forums are full of hate/whining threads, but they also have some very helpful threads.  I don't want to have to visit a third party site to get help with whatever issue I'm having in-game (logging-in or what have you).  Hell, even Sims 3 has an official forum.

  • bookworm438bookworm438 Member Posts: 647

    Originally posted by junzo316

    I think it's rather ridiculous for a AAA MMO not to have an official forum of some type.  I generally visit an official forum when I need some type of help with a quest, having issues logging in, or to read discussions on how best to play my class when the game is down for maintenance.

     

    Yes, official forums are full of hate/whining threads, but they also have some very helpful threads.  I don't want to have to visit a third party site to get help with whatever issue I'm having in-game (logging-in or what have you).  Hell, even Sims 3 has an official forum.

    If you need help, you've got the official wiki, you've got every fan site out there, and you could actually talk to someone in the game and ask for help.

     

    An 'official' communications forum is not really necessary. Not when we already have all the means to communicating with Anet, and Anet with us. For those saying it's not official, I would consider any post by a dev or cm from Anet official, regardless of the site.

    As for official news, we already have www.guildwars2.com and www.arena.net/blog. We've also got the wiki, in which the player base can update with all the information about the game. We've got facebook, twitter, and youtube. They might do a support forum, such as the one for GW1. However, there's really no point when we have the all the tools already in place.

    For those trying to use "well x game has a forum, so GW2 should", great for x game. GW2 is not x game, and what works for that game may not work for GW2, and vice versa.

  • C1d0sC1d0s Member UncommonPosts: 238

    But guys, you're telling me that you'd rather go to some official website directly from the developers than a poorly managed fansite with over-zealous admins?

    Get with the program!

    /sarcasm off

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  • WickedjellyWickedjelly Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,990

    Originally posted by junzo316

    I think it's rather ridiculous for a AAA MMO not to have an official forum of some type.  I generally visit an official forum when I need some type of help with a quest, having issues logging in, or to read discussions on how best to play my class when the game is down for maintenance.

     

    Yes, official forums are full of hate/whining threads, but they also have some very helpful threads.  I don't want to have to visit a third party site to get help with whatever issue I'm having in-game (logging-in or what have you).  Hell, even Sims 3 has an official forum.

    I mainly like them to try and build a community and get to know my fellow players both on my server and others.

    Not a huge deal to me but I do find it disappointing. Although I must admit I don't find it at all surprising.

    1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

    2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

    3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  • sabrejaysabrejay Member Posts: 39

    Originally posted by adam_nox

    Originally posted by ariboersma

    this is silly.. the next thing people will be complaining that Arenanet starts with an A and A is in EA OMG CONSPIRACY!!! They are still considering an official forum, they even did the whole "we cant comment on that" in a recent interview. WHo cares really... all official game forums do is turn into flame wars and the company has to monitor it. THere is already a few forums for that and Anet Devs frequent GW2 guru.

    uhh

    official forums are the difference between a serious mmo and a game.  It's not optional, if they think it is, they are being stupid.

    Tell that to Dark age of Camelot still going 10 years later, may not be at its former glory but its still goingand still the best pvp game of all time.

  • jeremyjodesjeremyjodes Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 679

    It's a good move. not much else to say. if ToR would have waited until release to open the forums to the public we would have had a much better game I think.

    Same for SWG and Wow

     

     

     

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  • WickedjellyWickedjelly Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,990

    Originally posted by jeremyjodes

    It's a good move. not much else to say. if ToR would have waited until release to open the forums to the public we would have had a much better game I think.

    Same for SWG and Wow

     

     

     

    It wouldn't have changed a thing with those games. Especially with TOR. They made it rather clear they weren't paying attention to those forums. If they would have they could have avoided some of the very issues they're looking to fix now. Especially in relation to PvP.

    1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

    2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

    3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  • GuelyGuely Member Posts: 114

    I don't mind. Been playing MMOs for the last 10 years and I've never found the need for them. Probably better anyway, Anet might actually read all the whiny posts.

  • YizleYizle Member Posts: 517

    Originally posted by catplay

    So ANET can't afford a forum? Why?

    I mean.. every serious company can, but not them? I guess they do not like peoples to come and said what they do not like?

    What do you think?

    Well since you asked what I think then I think you are a worthless troll just trying to cause conflict where none is.

  • ShojuShoju Member UncommonPosts: 776

    Originally posted by thedarkess

    You got community forums like Gw2guru to discuss anything.

    Except you can't just discuss 'anything'.  The staff there determine what threads/topics are 'worthy' of discussion and close/delete anything else.

    I would rather chew broken galss than post at GW2Guru.  Heck, I would rather post at the Ten Ton Hammer GW2 forums and they only have like 3 people there.

  • KalferKalfer Member Posts: 779

    Originally posted by C1d0s

    But guys, you're telling me that you'd rather go to some official website directly from the developers than a poorly managed fansite with over-zealous admins?

    Get with the program!

    /sarcasm off

    it wont be developers running that forum. it will be some sheepable who have to say the same responses to people who are angry at guild wars 2 - and lots of people with hate this game will all their might. 

     

    at a best case scenario official forums will concentrate the hate to make you dislike arenanet a lot more. because lots of people will feel ignored, many people will hate their ncsoft representatives and because people in general are self important idiots who will take things out of content.

     

    the best way to feed the trolls, is not to make a breeding ground. people will get their knowledge/help through support forums, wiki, twitter, facebook, fanpages, the blog and so on. 

     

    lots of fan websites out there that are better run than what an official bunch who have the managers and confidentiality agreements breathing down their neck. 

     

    kill 10 rats is really good for example: http://www.killtenrats.com/

  • KalferKalfer Member Posts: 779

    Originally posted by InFaVilla

    Originally posted by Betakodo


    Originally posted by Kalfer

    people are projecting their butt hurt feelings onto Guru, but there is no reason why official forums would have any less restrictive behavior or bad calls. lots of people hate the mods on official forums across various games. 

    On GW guru, you are censored for feedback (Which is percieved by the mods as heinous opinions). This doesn't happen on official forums unless you spout the game is dying or bad and even then, you would just get your thread locked. Not your complete post secretly deleted so the devs or anyone else can't see it.

    Everyone tweet @guildwars2 about guru censorship. Enough of it and they should do something about it.

    I mailed them about the Guru incident where they switched ad providers or something and they said they would talk to guru. The other mail about guru censorship got ignored.

    Yeah, if that is true, that is pretty bad. Locking threads or moving them to a "trashbin" section of the forum are better solutions.

    Most people don't know how to post in the right forums. Your obviously not correct as i've been on guru for a long time, and i've done lots of threads giving feedback.

     

    most people don't search before they post, or they make thread that is out-discussed with a previous thread closure, or they don't post in the right forums.

     

    it's always the same thing when people get banned / offended over how they were treated by some guy on a forum. this is EXACTLY the same thing for people on official forums. and when they post it on other forums how unfairly they have been treated they always give half the story, playing the victim. there is always the other side to it.

     

    Guru has a very annoying way to run their website, and many of their users are not nice to dsicuss with. so just go to another fansite. 

  • RequiamerRequiamer Member Posts: 2,034

    At 1r i was like the OP, wtf no offi forum? But GW2guru isn't as bad as people say, its well managed, and discussion are good there, they are not much trolling and they are pretty interesting.

  • BenedictXVBenedictXV Member Posts: 104

    Originally posted by catplay

    So ANET can't afford a forum? Why?

    I mean.. every serious company can, but not them? I guess they do not like peoples to come and said what they do not like?

    What do you think?

    If ANET are intelligent enough to not make a forum, i'll buy every game they do in the next 20 years!

    And people don't go on a forum to say what they do not like, they go on a forum to complain that they didn't get what they wanted in a game. So it's wait for it.... wait for it... Useless to have a forum!

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