I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!
I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...
Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.
While I agree that the OP is making some big assumptions, he's not completely off in his logic. Those servers are only going to stay lit up so long from box sales revenue. The game is going to be reliant on either consistant box sales, large quantities of cash shop sales, or leaning heavily on the library of other NCsoft (the publisher, for those that aren't aware) games that are Pay2Play, a library of games that are slowly switching to the hybrid sub/f2p model. If the launch numbers aren't up to expectations, which given many peoples budgets combined with the number a big name games that have recently launched or are about to, is a distinct possibility, then I could see ANet (at the behest of NCsoft) dropping smaller content packs more regularly and sooner than expected. Now, I seriously doubt that these content packs would be of the same scope as the GW1 expansions, and therefore would be cheaper, say in the $20-$25 range. Those servers are going to require a steady stream of income to stay running, no matter where that income comes from. And in all reality, it's all going to boil down to Anet getting out of the blocks with a really stellar launch.
I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!
I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...
Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.
Let's hope that doesn't change.
As I said...why would they not want to make the most money that they can? I am sure the same "sheep" that are said to be in other MMO's will be in GW2 as well.
I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!
I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...
Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.
Let's hope that doesn't change.
As I said...why would they not want to make the most money that they can? I am sure the same "sheep" that are said to be in other MMO's will be in GW2 as well.
Who said that aggressive CS is the way to make the most money? As you have probably noticed, it leaves bad taste and results in a lot of people quitting the game, which doesn't really work for B2P game that relies on expansion sales. Have you considered the possibility that fluff CS is actually the most profitable option for B2P model, and going more than fluff will actually net them less income?
I know it long time ago that gw2 will be same old one in new clothes, specially now when i know that Elder Oblivion goes online i cant see a reason to buy this game. And yes it is normal to earn money for your hard work, why you wonder about that- do you work for free or what?
I stated this before, sorry to repeat myself. But I'm 100% convinced of this, and how marketing works.
- Nothing is free
- Cheap pays twice
In my opinion GW2 will be short on content. Way more than people think. Two weeks after release their will be expansions as a heavy cost for players to purchase.....This mmo will cost you as much anyway....Some would say that GW1 waited a year for it's first expansion, BUT this is not GW1.
ANet was much smaller then. They had no idea how much of a success their game would be, and expansions were after-thoughts. Now ANet will do the smarter marketing trick of making expansions at the same time as the original......This is why the game is taking so long....Their making everything at once.
GW2 may be good. Once you purchase the game and all it's expansions you will have it forever. BUT don't think you are getting away cheap !!!!!!!
- Sub style
- F2P style
- B2P style
It's all the same............. Don't bother sayingDANet will never pull this
2 weeks and they will release and expansion? Maybe a year or even 6 months for an adventure pack.
I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!
I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...
Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.
Let's hope that doesn't change.
As I said...why would they not want to make the most money that they can? I am sure the same "sheep" that are said to be in other MMO's will be in GW2 as well.
Who said that aggressive CS is the way to make the most money? As you have probably noticed, it leaves bad taste and results in a lot of people quitting the game, which doesn't really work for B2P game that relies on expansion sales. Have you considered the possibility that fluff CS is actually the most profitable option for B2P model, and going more than fluff will actually net them less income?
I know it long time ago that gw2 will be same old one in new clothes, specially now when i know that Elder Oblivion goes online i cant see a reason to buy this game. And yes it is normal to earn money for your hard work, why you wonder about that- do you work for free or what?
I know it long time ago that gw2 will be same old one in new clothes, specially now when i know that Elder Oblivion goes online i cant see a reason to buy this game. And yes it is normal to earn money for your hard work, why you wonder about that- do you work for free or what?
Huh ?
How does this make any sense ?
WTF is elder oblivion?
I think he means the TES mmorpg that is being going around as a rumour. Talk about a hype machine, the guy is already hyped for a game of which he knows nothing about.
I know it long time ago that gw2 will be same old one in new clothes, specially now when i know that Elder Oblivion goes online i cant see a reason to buy this game. And yes it is normal to earn money for your hard work, why you wonder about that- do you work for free or what?
Yeah, why buy something, since you can sit around and wait 3-5 years for something that hasn't even started yet!
Pssst....I got a scoop, Elder Oblivion MMO 2 will launch 6 years after the first one, you should wait for it, my inside guy said it will be MUCH better!
How do I run out fo content in -competitive- PvP? Did Starcraft ran out of content? Did CS ran out of content?
How do I run out of content in WvWvW when every 2 weeks I get to face new people in huge territory control battles?
Yes, sure, the PvE content will most likely be cleared by some noli-... hardcore players within month or two, but tell me how it's different in subscription based MMOs? Even the supposedly "best end game pve" MMO - WoW get's raids half cleared even before they hit live server, and who says I need to be "first" to do it? I don't have to, there is no major benefit of me rushing through the content, I can do PvP as soon as I'm done with intro/tutorial section.
I stated this before, sorry to repeat myself. But I'm 100% convinced of this, and how marketing works.
- Nothing is free
- Cheap pays twice
In my opinion GW2 will be short on content. Way more than people think. Two weeks after release their will be expansions as a heavy cost for players to purchase.....This mmo will cost you as much anyway....Some would say that GW1 waited a year for it's first expansion, BUT this is not GW1.
ANet was much smaller then. They had no idea how much of a success their game would be, and expansions were after-thoughts. Now ANet will do the smarter marketing trick of making expansions at the same time as the original......This is why the game is taking so long....Their making everything at once.
GW2 may be good. Once you purchase the game and all it's expansions you will have it forever. BUT don't think you are getting away cheap !!!!!!!
- Sub style
- F2P style
- B2P style
It's all the same............. Don't bother sayingDANet will never pull this
Clearly you A. have no previous experience with Anet, B. are angry that your favorite game is about to get owned, C. are a Troll, D. All of the above. I'm going with D
I stated this before, sorry to repeat myself. But I'm 100% convinced of this, and how marketing works.
- Nothing is free
- Cheap pays twice
In my opinion GW2 will be short on content. Way more than people think. Two weeks after release their will be expansions as a heavy cost for players to purchase.....This mmo will cost you as much anyway....Some would say that GW1 waited a year for it's first expansion, BUT this is not GW1.
ANet was much smaller then. They had no idea how much of a success their game would be, and expansions were after-thoughts. Now ANet will do the smarter marketing trick of making expansions at the same time as the original......This is why the game is taking so long....Their making everything at once.
GW2 may be good. Once you purchase the game and all it's expansions you will have it forever. BUT don't think you are getting away cheap !!!!!!!
- Sub style
- F2P style
- B2P style
It's all the same............. Don't bother sayingDANet will never pull this
Clearly you A. have no previous experience with Anet, B. are angry that your favorite game is about to get owned, C. are a Troll, D. All of the above. I'm going with D
Well, first off I would not call myself a troll because I plan on playing GW2. The game sounds great, and I'm sure it will be a good quality mmo.
As far as experience with Anet, that has nothing to do with it. If you read the original post It states that what Anet did in the past has nothing to do with what they will do now. Expansions were an after-thought for GW1 they were unsure what they were getting into. Now they are established, now they know what they are doing more so after the success of their first game. Now is when they will do more marketing and be a little wiser.
Its not really a bad thing that expansions will be flowing like hot cakes, after all they need to make a profit, right ?
Their making them all at once....Thats why they are taking so long.
It's pretty simple. If the game is good and I'm having fun, I'll have no issue whatsoever paying for expansions. If the game, and or expansions stops entertaining me, I stop buying them. End of story.
I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!
I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...
Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.
Let's hope that doesn't change.
As I said...why would they not want to make the most money that they can? I am sure the same "sheep" that are said to be in other MMO's will be in GW2 as well.
Because not everyone is ready to sell their soul for some extra cash? Everyone draws a line somewhere, let's just hope Arenanet draws the line much closer than EA did. I don't think EA may even have a line, when I think more about it.
Because not everyone is ready to sell their soul for some extra cash? Everyone draws a line somewhere, let's just hope Arenanet draws the line much closer than EA did. I don't think EA may even have a line, when I think more about it.
Considering they are one of the last to still not be incorporating cash shops into P2P sub-based MMO's, I don't know about that, they could easily up their cash-flow for TOR, WAR and UO by doing so, but they haven't (yet). Can we say the same about Ncsoft or basically anyone else besides trion??
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I stated this before, sorry to repeat myself. But I'm 100% convinced of this, and how marketing works.
- Nothing is free
- Cheap pays twice
In my opinion GW2 will be short on content. Way more than people think. Two weeks after release their will be expansions as a heavy cost for players to purchase.....This mmo will cost you as much anyway....Some would say that GW1 waited a year for it's first expansion, BUT this is not GW1.
ANet was much smaller then. They had no idea how much of a success their game would be, and expansions were after-thoughts. Now ANet will do the smarter marketing trick of making expansions at the same time as the original......This is why the game is taking so long....Their making everything at once.
GW2 may be good. Once you purchase the game and all it's expansions you will have it forever. BUT don't think you are getting away cheap !!!!!!!
- Sub style
- F2P style
- B2P style
It's all the same............. Don't bother sayingDANet will never pull this
Because not everyone is ready to sell their soul for some extra cash? Everyone draws a line somewhere, let's just hope Arenanet draws the line much closer than EA did. I don't think EA may even have a line, when I think more about it.
Considering they are one of the last to still not be incorporating cash shops into P2P sub-based MMO's, I don't know about that, they could easily up their cash-flow for TOR, WAR and UO by doing so, but they haven't (yet). Can we say the same about Ncsoft?
Had not thought of that. Being schizophrenic is better than being completely greedy, so that does brighten up my view of EA a tiny bit.
I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!
I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...
There will be a cash shop so you are in luck with your predictions. :P GW1 has one and I loved the clothes.
I predict the OP's prediction that there will be an expansion 2 weeks after release to be complete rubish.
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Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.
Let's hope that doesn't change.
While I agree that the OP is making some big assumptions, he's not completely off in his logic. Those servers are only going to stay lit up so long from box sales revenue. The game is going to be reliant on either consistant box sales, large quantities of cash shop sales, or leaning heavily on the library of other NCsoft (the publisher, for those that aren't aware) games that are Pay2Play, a library of games that are slowly switching to the hybrid sub/f2p model. If the launch numbers aren't up to expectations, which given many peoples budgets combined with the number a big name games that have recently launched or are about to, is a distinct possibility, then I could see ANet (at the behest of NCsoft) dropping smaller content packs more regularly and sooner than expected. Now, I seriously doubt that these content packs would be of the same scope as the GW1 expansions, and therefore would be cheaper, say in the $20-$25 range. Those servers are going to require a steady stream of income to stay running, no matter where that income comes from. And in all reality, it's all going to boil down to Anet getting out of the blocks with a really stellar launch.
As I said...why would they not want to make the most money that they can? I am sure the same "sheep" that are said to be in other MMO's will be in GW2 as well.
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Who said that aggressive CS is the way to make the most money? As you have probably noticed, it leaves bad taste and results in a lot of people quitting the game, which doesn't really work for B2P game that relies on expansion sales. Have you considered the possibility that fluff CS is actually the most profitable option for B2P model, and going more than fluff will actually net them less income?
I know it long time ago that gw2 will be same old one in new clothes, specially now when i know that Elder Oblivion goes online i cant see a reason to buy this game. And yes it is normal to earn money for your hard work, why you wonder about that- do you work for free or what?
2 weeks and they will release and expansion? Maybe a year or even 6 months for an adventure pack.
This.
Never assume in life cos you will fk up big time because of your assumption.
Not sure ask or wait to play first then comment or bitch about it.
Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language
Huh ?
How does this make any sense ?
WTF is elder oblivion?
Lolipops !
I think he means the TES mmorpg that is being going around as a rumour. Talk about a hype machine, the guy is already hyped for a game of which he knows nothing about.
Yeah, why buy something, since you can sit around and wait 3-5 years for something that hasn't even started yet!
Pssst....I got a scoop, Elder Oblivion MMO 2 will launch 6 years after the first one, you should wait for it, my inside guy said it will be MUCH better!
How do I run out fo content in -competitive- PvP? Did Starcraft ran out of content? Did CS ran out of content?
How do I run out of content in WvWvW when every 2 weeks I get to face new people in huge territory control battles?
Yes, sure, the PvE content will most likely be cleared by some noli-... hardcore players within month or two, but tell me how it's different in subscription based MMOs? Even the supposedly "best end game pve" MMO - WoW get's raids half cleared even before they hit live server, and who says I need to be "first" to do it? I don't have to, there is no major benefit of me rushing through the content, I can do PvP as soon as I'm done with intro/tutorial section.
what the hell is happening with people around here!?!?!?!?!
:jackiechanconfusedface:
Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2
Waiting for: Pathfinder Online
Clearly you A. have no previous experience with Anet, B. are angry that your favorite game is about to get owned, C. are a Troll, D. All of the above. I'm going with D
Well, first off I would not call myself a troll because I plan on playing GW2. The game sounds great, and I'm sure it will be a good quality mmo.
As far as experience with Anet, that has nothing to do with it. If you read the original post It states that what Anet did in the past has nothing to do with what they will do now. Expansions were an after-thought for GW1 they were unsure what they were getting into. Now they are established, now they know what they are doing more so after the success of their first game. Now is when they will do more marketing and be a little wiser.
Its not really a bad thing that expansions will be flowing like hot cakes, after all they need to make a profit, right ?
Their making them all at once....Thats why they are taking so long.
Because not everyone is ready to sell their soul for some extra cash? Everyone draws a line somewhere, let's just hope Arenanet draws the line much closer than EA did. I don't think EA may even have a line, when I think more about it.
Considering they are one of the last to still not be incorporating cash shops into P2P sub-based MMO's, I don't know about that, they could easily up their cash-flow for TOR, WAR and UO by doing so, but they haven't (yet). Can we say the same about Ncsoft or basically anyone else besides trion??
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Logic (from the Greek λογικ? logik?)[1] is the philosophical study of valid reasoning.[2] Logic is used in most intellectual activities, but is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics,semantics, and computer science. It examines general forms which arguments may take, which forms are valid, and which are fallacies.
Clearly there are any number of logical fallacies in your original post. Probablly pointless discussing them.
Had not thought of that. Being schizophrenic is better than being completely greedy, so that does brighten up my view of EA a tiny bit.
There will be a cash shop so you are in luck with your predictions. :P GW1 has one and I loved the clothes.
I predict the OP's prediction that there will be an expansion 2 weeks after release to be complete rubish.
One of life's lil hand grenades
I'm wondering what the Box Picture will be, a gorgeously, graceful, cover will have you changing your opinion in next to no time.
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