BUT if you came to SWTOR never having played a decent mmo then you might think its good.
It depends on what you can compare it too.
i can tell an unpolished turd when i play one.
Play wow up to 70 and you will realise its that bad.
...
I dont play wow anymore since got bored of it and full of teenage chavs frothing at the mouth but can still rise above the rabid wow h8ers that infest this forum and realise that it was done very very well.
These kind of replies are great for a laugh. You do understand with this post you come off as a narrowminded egotistical maniac?
I'll bite and up you a few notches in elitism:
Unless you've played a decent MMO in the past, you might think TOR is bad.
Again, depends on what you compare it to. (It's kind of like fine wine....unless you've had it before, you won't be able to appreciate it)
Only those that have played UO at launch have the necessary credentials to truly review an MMO as good and/or bad.
Happens to be that I did play UO at launch and can say with 100% confidence that WoW is garbage and SW:TOR is great.
But please, don't bother replying to my post unless you played UO when it launched. If you did play UO at launch and disagree, you are simply a TOR h8er and I can rise above you.
Oh god...
SWTOR is not badly done, but it's missing a lot of stuff and EA is too cheap to actually provide a good support for the game.
WoW had a good run while it was still bearable to play the same ol', same ol' crap over again with each expansion.
Saying SWTOR is great is just being unrealistic. If this is the shape of a great MMORPG for you, then I can say, you ain't seen what's actually good...
ultima online?
Airborne1312 bangs his head against a brick wall.
Perhaps ok its in day but so was manic miner on the spectrum 48k.
It hasnt stood the test of time and im not surprised looking at its gameplay on youtube
If you think wow is garbage and swtor is great then you perhaps you need to go play age of conan to get some excitement back in your life
If you cant understand the basic mmo recipe/formula that wow tapped into and got right then your a fool and one big one at that
Ultima online?....i dont give a sh1t about its historical value in the mmo world...its dead and buried like SWTOR will be in 2 yrs.
Why the hell do you think blizzard are rich?
I dont play wow anymore but if i created an mmo i would have learnt a few valuable lessons unlike bioware.
Questing simply got repetitive. Didn't help the environments were lifeless and dull. So dam quiet everywhere! Mobs are static in 3's. And quick respawn got on my nerves.
You just described 90% of every MMO out there. Good Job, Im sure this post was in no single way an instrument to jump on the bandwagon of people who continually dislike and hate on anything new that comes along.
Why do you assume that if someone dislikes the particular game you like that they "continually dislike and hate on anything new". Why is it that Tera, Rift, GW2 gets no where near the amount of negative posts that SWTOR do, could it maybe be that more people think that particular game is un-ambitious and mediocre compared to how it was marketed.
I would say cause a group of prior SWG fans simply cannot STFU when it pertains to TOR. It is pretty simple to name them, but that is ban material, and I prefer to keep my posting privledge.
Dont try to play it off as something on BWs end. You want an answer to your question, then I would suggest you look up Dr Phil. IMO no sane person would carry on about a games mechanics being changed, and yet we heard about "PRE-CU FTW" for over 5 yrs. So it really doesnt surprise me they would find a new focal point, and have another go round.
Especially when the new game covers the same IP as their lost luv, with it getting finally sun set just prior to launch.
This isnt to say that there are no legitimate complaints....as there are a number of them. What transpires here though is a "whole nother level".
Folks will say "but what about GW2, or some other game".....measuring it to the former SWG player's hate, on this forum, the combination of all of them pales in comparison. Which is a shame, cause some former SWG players like TOR, while others simply found something else to play.
For the ones that didnt, chances are you will find them in this forum.
And yet you complain that people were mean about Everquest in 2005. If you don't like plurality of views about games then a general MMO forum is not the place to complain because that's what pays the bills and keeps these sites running. I choose not to STFU as you so rudely put it because I can post my opinions on any thread posted here, as can you, as can anyone else for or against on any topic.
BUT if you came to SWTOR never having played a decent mmo then you might think its good.
It depends on what you can compare it too.
i can tell an unpolished turd when i play one.
Play wow up to 70 and you will realise its that bad.
...
I dont play wow anymore since got bored of it and full of teenage chavs frothing at the mouth but can still rise above the rabid wow h8ers that infest this forum and realise that it was done very very well.
These kind of replies are great for a laugh. You do understand with this post you come off as a narrowminded egotistical maniac?
I'll bite and up you a few notches in elitism:
Unless you've played a decent MMO in the past, you might think TOR is bad.
Again, depends on what you compare it to. (It's kind of like fine wine....unless you've had it before, you won't be able to appreciate it)
Only those that have played UO at launch have the necessary credentials to truly review an MMO as good and/or bad.
Happens to be that I did play UO at launch and can say with 100% confidence that WoW is garbage and SW:TOR is great.
But please, don't bother replying to my post unless you played UO when it launched. If you did play UO at launch and disagree, you are simply a TOR h8er and I can rise above you.
Oh god...
SWTOR is not badly done, but it's missing a lot of stuff and EA is too cheap to actually provide a good support for the game.
WoW had a good run while it was still bearable to play the same ol', same ol' crap over again with each expansion.
Saying SWTOR is great is just being unrealistic. If this is the shape of a great MMORPG for you, then I can say, you ain't seen what's actually good...
Good and bad is subjective. Only because hs finds SWTOR great doesn't mean he is wrong and you are right. You might find a lot of things in life great which for me could becomplete grbage. Each to his own. Life is lot more wonderful when people understand that every human being has different tastes and preferences in life.
Do you go argue with people in real life for their taste in music and movies and tell them they are wrong to find them great? only because they are not of your taste?
PFFTTT!..Confront someone face-to-face and say how much you hate the shit they like and how stupid they are for likeing something you despise...without the anonymity of the internet. Never!
Actually, when it comes to games... I do... If someone brings it up in the conversation or we're discussing it, I often say what I think about it and it's not worth the "holy grail" talk since it doesn't stand out much.
But it's not like I don't say what I think about any other topic as well... Hell, if we're already talking about it, why shouldn't I say what's on my mind regarding it.
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life." -------------------------------
BUT if you came to SWTOR never having played a decent mmo then you might think its good.
It depends on what you can compare it too.
i can tell an unpolished turd when i play one.
Play wow up to 70 and you will realise its that bad.
...
I dont play wow anymore since got bored of it and full of teenage chavs frothing at the mouth but can still rise above the rabid wow h8ers that infest this forum and realise that it was done very very well.
These kind of replies are great for a laugh. You do understand with this post you come off as a narrowminded egotistical maniac?
I'll bite and up you a few notches in elitism:
Unless you've played a decent MMO in the past, you might think TOR is bad.
Again, depends on what you compare it to. (It's kind of like fine wine....unless you've had it before, you won't be able to appreciate it)
Only those that have played UO at launch have the necessary credentials to truly review an MMO as good and/or bad.
Happens to be that I did play UO at launch and can say with 100% confidence that WoW is garbage and SW:TOR is great.
But please, don't bother replying to my post unless you played UO when it launched. If you did play UO at launch and disagree, you are simply a TOR h8er and I can rise above you.
Oh god...
SWTOR is not badly done, but it's missing a lot of stuff and EA is too cheap to actually provide a good support for the game.
WoW had a good run while it was still bearable to play the same ol', same ol' crap over again with each expansion.
Saying SWTOR is great is just being unrealistic. If this is the shape of a great MMORPG for you, then I can say, you ain't seen what's actually good...
Good and bad is subjective. Only because hs finds SWTOR great doesn't mean he is wrong and you are right. You might find a lot of things in life great which for me could becomplete grbage. Each to his own. Life is lot more wonderful when people understand that every human being has different tastes and preferences in life.
Do you go argue with people in real life for their taste in music and movies and tell them they are wrong to find them great? only because they are not of your taste?
PFFTTT!..Confront someone face-to-face and say how much you hate the shit they like and how stupid they are for likeing something you despise...without the anonymity of the internet. Never!
Pfffft, I do it a bit, or HAVE done it in the past. Of course...that might explain why I have very few friends ;D I say "oh, well" if you can't take my bluntness then too bad. Rather be blunt and friendless than a liar with fair weather friends.
I think we all have. I just dont make it a habit. Now..dont get me wrong..I'll be sincere and tell it straight. This is completely different than being a drooling lunatic screaming hate for hate's sake or seeking merely to degrade and humiliate those who see differently than you. Although it seems that to the target..there is no difference as i am virtually friendless as well. Usually because I was asked to honestly answer a question or address a topic. Oh well.
BUT if you came to SWTOR never having played a decent mmo then you might think its good.
It depends on what you can compare it too.
i can tell an unpolished turd when i play one.
Play wow up to 70 and you will realise its that bad.
...
I dont play wow anymore since got bored of it and full of teenage chavs frothing at the mouth but can still rise above the rabid wow h8ers that infest this forum and realise that it was done very very well.
These kind of replies are great for a laugh. You do understand with this post you come off as a narrowminded egotistical maniac?
I'll bite and up you a few notches in elitism:
Unless you've played a decent MMO in the past, you might think TOR is bad.
Again, depends on what you compare it to. (It's kind of like fine wine....unless you've had it before, you won't be able to appreciate it)
Only those that have played UO at launch have the necessary credentials to truly review an MMO as good and/or bad.
Happens to be that I did play UO at launch and can say with 100% confidence that WoW is garbage and SW:TOR is great.
But please, don't bother replying to my post unless you played UO when it launched. If you did play UO at launch and disagree, you are simply a TOR h8er and I can rise above you.
Oh god...
SWTOR is not badly done, but it's missing a lot of stuff and EA is too cheap to actually provide a good support for the game.
WoW had a good run while it was still bearable to play the same ol', same ol' crap over again with each expansion.
Saying SWTOR is great is just being unrealistic. If this is the shape of a great MMORPG for you, then I can say, you ain't seen what's actually good...
Good and bad is subjective. Only because hs finds SWTOR great doesn't mean he is wrong and you are right. You might find a lot of things in life great which for me could becomplete grbage. Each to his own. Life is lot more wonderful when people understand that every human being has different tastes and preferences in life.
Do you go argue with people in real life for their taste in music and movies and tell them they are wrong to find them great? only because they are not of your taste?
PFFTTT!..Confront someone face-to-face and say how much you hate the shit they like and how stupid they are for likeing something you despise...without the anonymity of the internet. Never!
Pfffft, I do it a bit, or HAVE done it in the past. Of course...that might explain why I have very few friends ;D I say "oh, well" if you can't take my bluntness then too bad. Rather be blunt and friendless than a liar with fair weather friends.
You and i would get along as i do this every day. Honesty is more important to me than feelings. I really don't care if people don't like it. Ironically i'm a super nice guy but i have zero patience for liars or people who try to bullshit around the truth.
Exactly. I'm not blunt to be mean, just to be honest and get to the point. It tends to rub people wrong because they are used to living or talking to people who lie or pretend to be nice. I'm a pretty laid back guy and would rather laugh than argue, but I'm not afraid to share my opinion. My wife has gotten used to me, took her awhile but she did. Now when I say dinner wasn't that good, she doesn't get as upset. Heheh.
Exactly. I'm not blunt to be mean, just to be honest and get to the point. It tends to rub people wrong because they are used to living or talking to people who lie or pretend to be nice. I'm a pretty laid back guy and would rather laugh than argue, but I'm not afraid to share my opinion. My wife has gotten used to me, took her awhile but she did. Now when I say dinner wasn't that good, she doesn't get as upset. Heheh.
I dont believe it.
If you bitch at someone daily that you dont like something that they do, eventually they are going to tell you to STFU, or simply quit communicating with ya.
The next time you dont like your wife's cooking, I suggest you tell her daily that you dont like it. We will see how long she keeps cooking for ya, or just flat out divorces ya. Which is the point some of us are at with the complaints of TOR. We heard ya the first time.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
BUT if you came to SWTOR never having played a decent mmo then you might think its good.
It depends on what you can compare it too.
i can tell an unpolished turd when i play one.
Play wow up to 70 and you will realise its that bad.
...
I dont play wow anymore since got bored of it and full of teenage chavs frothing at the mouth but can still rise above the rabid wow h8ers that infest this forum and realise that it was done very very well.
These kind of replies are great for a laugh. You do understand with this post you come off as a narrowminded egotistical maniac?
I'll bite and up you a few notches in elitism:
Unless you've played a decent MMO in the past, you might think TOR is bad.
Again, depends on what you compare it to. (It's kind of like fine wine....unless you've had it before, you won't be able to appreciate it)
Only those that have played UO at launch have the necessary credentials to truly review an MMO as good and/or bad.
Happens to be that I did play UO at launch and can say with 100% confidence that WoW is garbage and SW:TOR is great.
But please, don't bother replying to my post unless you played UO when it launched. If you did play UO at launch and disagree, you are simply a TOR h8er and I can rise above you.
Oh god...
SWTOR is not badly done, but it's missing a lot of stuff and EA is too cheap to actually provide a good support for the game.
WoW had a good run while it was still bearable to play the same ol', same ol' crap over again with each expansion.
Saying SWTOR is great is just being unrealistic. If this is the shape of a great MMORPG for you, then I can say, you ain't seen what's actually good...
Good and bad is subjective. Only because hs finds SWTOR great doesn't mean he is wrong and you are right. You might find a lot of things in life great which for me could becomplete grbage. Each to his own. Life is lot more wonderful when people understand that every human being has different tastes and preferences in life.
Do you go argue with people in real life for their taste in music and movies and tell them they are wrong to find them great? only because they are not of your taste?
PFFTTT!..Confront someone face-to-face and say how much you hate the shit they like and how stupid they are for likeing something you despise...without the anonymity of the internet. Never!
Pfffft, I do it a bit, or HAVE done it in the past. Of course...that might explain why I have very few friends ;D I say "oh, well" if you can't take my bluntness then too bad. Rather be blunt and friendless than a liar with fair weather friends.
Blunteness is just an excuse to look down upon others for their taste that differs from you. I am pretty sure if someone is blunt to you and nag you on daily basis about your tatstes in things you wouldn't tolerate it for one second. There is differences between discussing difference with your friends and trying to make them look bad for what thye like. if you do later i am not surprised you have few friends.
I am pretty sure your taste in music, movies, books or games is not all that superior even though you might be under the illusion that it is.
Plus the promise that 1.2 is the miracle patch is not accurate. I have 12 days left on my sub and I decided to see the new stuff on the test server to see if it would make the game any better and worth resubbing. After playing the first 10 levels with the new patch...the only difference was I can sprint from level 1 and I can move the UI around and enable target of target....it still felt the same and bored me to tears.
Until the combat, enemy AI(that clumps of 3 mobs stuff is accurate and stays that way up to 50) and dead world feel is changed, this game will still not be worth the monthly sub and 1.2 is NOT the patch everyone thought it would be.
sorry to tell you this but the game just going to add thing it was miss from an normal mmo UI and envyroment,nothing new nothing pout of ordinary thos thing was suposed to be add before releasing the game is normal program mmo used to have now days and the game just forget abouth it thinking they are doing somthing new..sooo sad
Exactly. I'm not blunt to be mean, just to be honest and get to the point. It tends to rub people wrong because they are used to living or talking to people who lie or pretend to be nice. I'm a pretty laid back guy and would rather laugh than argue, but I'm not afraid to share my opinion. My wife has gotten used to me, took her awhile but she did. Now when I say dinner wasn't that good, she doesn't get as upset. Heheh.
I dont believe it.
If you bitch at someone daily that you dont like something that they do, eventually they are going to tell you to STFU, or simply quit communicating with ya.
The next time you dont like your wife's cooking, I suggest you tell her daily that you dont like it. We will see how long she keeps cooking for ya, or just flat out divorces ya. Which is the point some of us are at with the complaints of TOR. We heard ya the first time.
Are you assuming I don't praise her when it's good? I do. Just saying, most people don't tell their wives it's bad when it's bad due to some odd fear of reprisal. I expect her to tell me I made something good or bad just the same.
As your allusion to TOR and hearing us complain over and over. Well, when my wife makes the same dinner over and over that I don't like, I sure will tell her each time how bad it is until she either makes me something else or warns me in advance that she is making the dinner I loathe. Then I can take proper action on getting myself something better. In TOR's case, they keep saying come back, try this patch, etc. but it still sucks. So until it changes or I get something better, deal with it.
BUT if you came to SWTOR never having played a decent mmo then you might think its good.
It depends on what you can compare it too.
i can tell an unpolished turd when i play one.
Play wow up to 70 and you will realise its that bad.
...
I dont play wow anymore since got bored of it and full of teenage chavs frothing at the mouth but can still rise above the rabid wow h8ers that infest this forum and realise that it was done very very well.
These kind of replies are great for a laugh. You do understand with this post you come off as a narrowminded egotistical maniac?
I'll bite and up you a few notches in elitism:
Unless you've played a decent MMO in the past, you might think TOR is bad.
Again, depends on what you compare it to. (It's kind of like fine wine....unless you've had it before, you won't be able to appreciate it)
Only those that have played UO at launch have the necessary credentials to truly review an MMO as good and/or bad.
Happens to be that I did play UO at launch and can say with 100% confidence that WoW is garbage and SW:TOR is great.
But please, don't bother replying to my post unless you played UO when it launched. If you did play UO at launch and disagree, you are simply a TOR h8er and I can rise above you.
Oh god...
SWTOR is not badly done, but it's missing a lot of stuff and EA is too cheap to actually provide a good support for the game.
WoW had a good run while it was still bearable to play the same ol', same ol' crap over again with each expansion.
Saying SWTOR is great is just being unrealistic. If this is the shape of a great MMORPG for you, then I can say, you ain't seen what's actually good...
Good and bad is subjective. Only because hs finds SWTOR great doesn't mean he is wrong and you are right. You might find a lot of things in life great which for me could becomplete grbage. Each to his own. Life is lot more wonderful when people understand that every human being has different tastes and preferences in life.
Do you go argue with people in real life for their taste in music and movies and tell them they are wrong to find them great? only because they are not of your taste?
PFFTTT!..Confront someone face-to-face and say how much you hate the shit they like and how stupid they are for likeing something you despise...without the anonymity of the internet. Never!
Pfffft, I do it a bit, or HAVE done it in the past. Of course...that might explain why I have very few friends ;D I say "oh, well" if you can't take my bluntness then too bad. Rather be blunt and friendless than a liar with fair weather friends.
Blunteness is just an excuse to look down upon others for their taste that differs from you. I am pretty sure if someone is blunt to you and nag you on daily basis about your tatstes in things you wouldn't tolerate it for one second. There is differences between discussing difference with your friends and trying to make them look bad for what thye like. if you do later i am not surprised you have few friends.
I am pretty sure your taste in music, movies, books or games is not all that superior even though you might be under the illusion that it is.
See how much it bothers you? What is that? Besides, you are assuming I'm blunt in a negative way daily. That's a one sided viewpoint. It goes both ways with praise and encouragment as well. It's a fine line to tread, it's not like I'm Simon Cowell who is only negative all the time. But I sure am not going to sit in a car with music crushing my ears and sensibilities and let it slide. I'll say this sucks and put headphones on or just ask to change the channel to something we can all like. It's called compromise.
Plus the promise that 1.2 is the miracle patch is not accurate. I have 12 days left on my sub and I decided to see the new stuff on the test server to see if it would make the game any better and worth resubbing. After playing the first 10 levels with the new patch...the only difference was I can sprint from level 1 and I can move the UI around and enable target of target....it still felt the same and bored me to tears.
Until the combat, enemy AI(that clumps of 3 mobs stuff is accurate and stays that way up to 50) and dead world feel is changed, this game will still not be worth the monthly sub and 1.2 is NOT the patch everyone thought it would be.
I hate to say it, but I really think Bioware just wants to cater to Story telling and raiding. We are adding a new raid! and a new Dungeon!! And we will expand on your story(which I like). Great...
But what about end game content for people that dont want to raid, pvp, or run dungeons? I honestly played the game for two months, and defended it on forums at every turn only because I loved the story telling. But that too became stale. If I wanted a copy and paste from WoW's end game, I'd resub to WoW.
Guild Wars 2 is a look at the future.
-Dynamic abilities(meaning, I drop a firewall, you shoot arrows through it, they catch on fire and hit the target)
-Beautiful world
-No gear treadmill
-Free
-Exploration, Exploration, Exploration.
-Dynamic content/group quests galore...feels like an MMO!
Questing simply got repetitive. Didn't help the environments were lifeless and dull. So dam quiet everywhere! Mobs are static in 3's. And quick respawn got on my nerves.
You just described 90% of every MMO out there. Good Job, Im sure this post was in no single way an instrument to jump on the bandwagon of people who continually dislike and hate on anything new that comes along.
Sometimes people dislike and hate things that plain suck and sometimes those things are new things. Mindblowing, ain't it?
BUT if you came to SWTOR never having played a decent mmo then you might think its good.
It depends on what you can compare it too.
i can tell an unpolished turd when i play one.
Play wow up to 70 and you will realise its that bad.
...
I dont play wow anymore since got bored of it and full of teenage chavs frothing at the mouth but can still rise above the rabid wow h8ers that infest this forum and realise that it was done very very well.
These kind of replies are great for a laugh. You do understand with this post you come off as a narrowminded egotistical maniac?
I'll bite and up you a few notches in elitism:
Unless you've played a decent MMO in the past, you might think TOR is bad.
Again, depends on what you compare it to. (It's kind of like fine wine....unless you've had it before, you won't be able to appreciate it)
Only those that have played UO at launch have the necessary credentials to truly review an MMO as good and/or bad.
Happens to be that I did play UO at launch and can say with 100% confidence that WoW is garbage and SW:TOR is great.
But please, don't bother replying to my post unless you played UO when it launched. If you did play UO at launch and disagree, you are simply a TOR h8er and I can rise above you.
Oh god...
SWTOR is not badly done, but it's missing a lot of stuff and EA is too cheap to actually provide a good support for the game.
WoW had a good run while it was still bearable to play the same ol', same ol' crap over again with each expansion.
Saying SWTOR is great is just being unrealistic. If this is the shape of a great MMORPG for you, then I can say, you ain't seen what's actually good...
Good and bad is subjective. Only because hs finds SWTOR great doesn't mean he is wrong and you are right. You might find a lot of things in life great which for me could becomplete grbage. Each to his own. Life is lot more wonderful when people understand that every human being has different tastes and preferences in life.
Do you go argue with people in real life for their taste in music and movies and tell them they are wrong to find them great? only because they are not of your taste?
PFFTTT!..Confront someone face-to-face and say how much you hate the shit they like and how stupid they are for likeing something you despise...without the anonymity of the internet. Never!
Pfffft, I do it a bit, or HAVE done it in the past. Of course...that might explain why I have very few friends ;D I say "oh, well" if you can't take my bluntness then too bad. Rather be blunt and friendless than a liar with fair weather friends.
Blunteness is just an excuse to look down upon others for their taste that differs from you. I am pretty sure if someone is blunt to you and nag you on daily basis about your tatstes in things you wouldn't tolerate it for one second. There is differences between discussing difference with your friends and trying to make them look bad for what thye like. if you do later i am not surprised you have few friends.
I am pretty sure your taste in music, movies, books or games is not all that superior even though you might be under the illusion that it is.
See how much it bothers you? What is that? Besides, you are assuming I'm blunt in a negative way daily. That's a one sided viewpoint. It goes both ways with praise and encouragment as well. It's a fine line to tread, it's not like I'm Simon Cowell who is only negative all the time. But I sure am not going to sit in a car with music crushing my ears and sensibilities and let it slide. I'll say this sucks and put headphones on or just ask to change the channel to something we can all like. It's called compromise.
Bothers me? i thought we were just discussing here, and if you were really good at compromises you wouldn't have very few friends by your own admission.
No one likes to be around people who constantly nag them and don't forget to tell them that their taste is inferior compared to theirs and that was the crux of main discussion here. it is easier to eb that way on internet, thanks to anyonimity and all.
You are playing a monthly sub for this game just to play 90% Huttball, throwing a ball around on a mini battleground map.....this is not starwars lol. Game itself reminds a lot on MassEffect with all the story driven videos, what works for a single player is probably not succeeding in an mmorpg. There is a lot more than just story, this was discussed months ago and more and more people will agree in the meanwhile. It took a little longer for some people to find this out.
My experience in beta I would consider as being unforgetable, in a good way. I played a Empire spy, on the starting planet Hutta. Questing around in the swamp lands was ubber cool to me, and it felt so much like the mmo I wanted with people sprawling around as u rode the bikes way above everyone else questing. It was great. Being in jabbas palace was extreamlly fun and doing his dirty deeds while being a double agent against the hutt clan was really cool as well. The story was spot on.
I new when I bought the game, going republic as a Knight, it wasnt going to be near the excitement for me given the nature that I am as I had with Hutta and the spy. Never the less, I stuck with Republic.
Im currently unsubscribed from the game, not because of the game, but because I have alot of other things that need my attension. What truly scares me about swtor, is the crafting, just being in the crafting area, its dead and I kept reading everyone saying that Biochem was the only good profession to take and that 90% of the people took Biochem. Comparing it to aion, my favorite mmo, the crafting corner on elyos side is always stacked full of literally hundreads, to thousands of people. The capital city is really great place with lots of activity. Also the way the flashpoints are layed out, seems a bit weird to me, just doing the flash points kinda makes me have a headache thinking about it. I enjoyed them but cant they wrap them into the game better then making a single room with instances and calling them flashpoints?? Who the hell thought that up...
I can say though if you miss any of the Empire side story for the spy, your no mmo player. That alone is worth the box price. Also the art style of the game is very very spectacular, you almost dont want to play it and just admire the beatifull backgrounds when your role playing your Voice overs with the characters of the world.
As others have said, they dont like the world since its so static, I never noticed it one bit. Every mmo Iv ever played hasnt been any different, not sure where people get it in there heads that a few clever peaces of code making things move around makes a world less static at least in mmo terms. I think people got there heads wrapped way to much into skyrim before they played swtor, me I havent played skyrim yet so I was un-spoiled when it came to my swtor experience. Not to say character AI isnt something that dosnt extreamlly interest me, I think character AI is the future to greater gaming but what can you expect given the situation? Are there suppose to be massive galatic wars on planets that happen every so often that evolve into new quest lines for your characters randomally making everyones game different? That would be cool but I dont think were there yet.
What truly scares me about swtor, is the crafting, just being in the crafting area, its dead and I kept reading everyone saying that Biochem was the only good profession to take and that 90% of the people took Biochem. Comparing it to aion, my favorite mmo, the crafting corner on elyos side is always stacked full of literally hundreads, to thousands of people.
That's because there is no crafting area? The crafting is done by your henchmen on your ship, not by yourself.
If you send them off to craft and enter your ship, you'll see them working at the work bench.
BUT if you came to SWTOR never having played a decent mmo then you might think its good.
It depends on what you can compare it too.
i can tell an unpolished turd when i play one.
Play wow up to 70 and you will realise its that bad.
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I dont play wow anymore since got bored of it and full of teenage chavs frothing at the mouth but can still rise above the rabid wow h8ers that infest this forum and realise that it was done very very well.
These kind of replies are great for a laugh. You do understand with this post you come off as a narrowminded egotistical maniac?
I'll bite and up you a few notches in elitism:
Unless you've played a decent MMO in the past, you might think TOR is bad.
Again, depends on what you compare it to. (It's kind of like fine wine....unless you've had it before, you won't be able to appreciate it)
Only those that have played UO at launch have the necessary credentials to truly review an MMO as good and/or bad.
Happens to be that I did play UO at launch and can say with 100% confidence that WoW is garbage and SW:TOR is great.
But please, don't bother replying to my post unless you played UO when it launched. If you did play UO at launch and disagree, you are simply a TOR h8er and I can rise above you.
Oh god...
SWTOR is not badly done, but it's missing a lot of stuff and EA is too cheap to actually provide a good support for the game.
WoW had a good run while it was still bearable to play the same ol', same ol' crap over again with each expansion.
Saying SWTOR is great is just being unrealistic. If this is the shape of a great MMORPG for you, then I can say, you ain't seen what's actually good...
Good and bad is subjective. Only because hs finds SWTOR great doesn't mean he is wrong and you are right. You might find a lot of things in life great which for me could becomplete grbage. Each to his own. Life is lot more wonderful when people understand that every human being has different tastes and preferences in life.
Do you go argue with people in real life for their taste in music and movies and tell them they are wrong to find them great? only because they are not of your taste?
PFFTTT!..Confront someone face-to-face and say how much you hate the shit they like and how stupid they are for likeing something you despise...without the anonymity of the internet. Never!
Pfffft, I do it a bit, or HAVE done it in the past. Of course...that might explain why I have very few friends ;D I say "oh, well" if you can't take my bluntness then too bad. Rather be blunt and friendless than a liar with fair weather friends.
Blunteness is just an excuse to look down upon others for their taste that differs from you. I am pretty sure if someone is blunt to you and nag you on daily basis about your tatstes in things you wouldn't tolerate it for one second. There is differences between discussing difference with your friends and trying to make them look bad for what thye like. if you do later i am not surprised you have few friends.
I am pretty sure your taste in music, movies, books or games is not all that superior even though you might be under the illusion that it is.
See how much it bothers you? What is that? Besides, you are assuming I'm blunt in a negative way daily. That's a one sided viewpoint. It goes both ways with praise and encouragment as well. It's a fine line to tread, it's not like I'm Simon Cowell who is only negative all the time. But I sure am not going to sit in a car with music crushing my ears and sensibilities and let it slide. I'll say this sucks and put headphones on or just ask to change the channel to something we can all like. It's called compromise.
Bothers me? i thought we were just discussing here, and if you were really good at compromises you wouldn't have very few friends by your own admission.
No one likes to be around people who constantly nag them and don't forget to tell them that their taste is inferior compared to theirs and that was the crux of main discussion here. it is easier to eb that way on internet, thanks to anyonimity and all.
I too have few good and close friends... That's what I really respect in life - friends. But having a lot of friends isn't the measure of your honesty... I have a lot of friends, but when I need advice, critics, support, help, anything, then I'll talk to one of my 3 closest friends (my girlfriend, my best friend since childhood and my friend from university) and I can always count on them, as they can always count on me just as much...
So what's your point with bringing up and saying "it's no wonder you have little friends?"...
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Made it to a level 10 Bounty hunter. Thats all i could take.
Questing simply got repetitive. Didn't help the environments were lifeless and dull. So dam quiet everywhere! Mobs are static in 3's. And quick respawn got on my nerves. Got a shuttle to the imperial fleet. Couldn't believe how quiet this 'supposed' main social hub was. Everywhere was just dead.
I salute you guys who made it to 50. I haven't the willpower to subject myself to this.
Annoys me that there was so much potential for a great interactive Star Wars Universe. After 7 years of development and they produce this???? I'll quote John Macenroe 'You cannot be serious.'
It's simply amazing how many opinions you can have on a game you literally played for 2 hours tops.
Just a tip: No matter how much you want to feel important, no one cares about your opinion on a game you have no experience with.
I care about their opinion more then yours that feels certain opinions don't matter.
Their issue is lack of sounds (presumably background) does that change later on?
When a user hits lvl 11 is there a new global chat channel that everyone uses at the main player hubs?
No sounds are still missing , and chat is just whoever is in the same instance as you upto 250 in fleet oh and just to clarify i have 2 lvl 50 characters on starstorm one .
Ive made a terrible mistake and subscribed for 6 months. Although i have plenty of game time left, i already deleted this game from my pc's hard disk. The worst of all.... i got back to wow. Never thought that being ganked in stv will bring me pleasure again !!! All hopes on gw2. But i doubt it will fill my expectations for long. I know will be a fun and succesful game, but i doubt it can keep my interest up for long. So its gw2 until mists of panadaria until archage which will bring back the joy for hardcore mmo players like me.
Made it to a level 10 Bounty hunter. Thats all i could take.
Questing simply got repetitive. Didn't help the environments were lifeless and dull. So dam quiet everywhere! Mobs are static in 3's. And quick respawn got on my nerves. Got a shuttle to the imperial fleet. Couldn't believe how quiet this 'supposed' main social hub was. Everywhere was just dead.
I salute you guys who made it to 50. I haven't the willpower to subject myself to this.
Annoys me that there was so much potential for a great interactive Star Wars Universe. After 7 years of development and they produce this???? I'll quote John Macenroe 'You cannot be serious.'
heh..game seems to be more about chasing those interesting cutscenes than anything else..
Exactly. I'm not blunt to be mean, just to be honest and get to the point. It tends to rub people wrong because they are used to living or talking to people who lie or pretend to be nice. I'm a pretty laid back guy and would rather laugh than argue, but I'm not afraid to share my opinion. My wife has gotten used to me, took her awhile but she did. Now when I say dinner wasn't that good, she doesn't get as upset. Heheh.
I dont believe it.
If you bitch at someone daily that you dont like something that they do, eventually they are going to tell you to STFU, or simply quit communicating with ya.
The next time you dont like your wife's cooking, I suggest you tell her daily that you dont like it. We will see how long she keeps cooking for ya, or just flat out divorces ya. Which is the point some of us are at with the complaints of TOR. We heard ya the first time.
Are you assuming I don't praise her when it's good? I do. Just saying, most people don't tell their wives it's bad when it's bad due to some odd fear of reprisal. I expect her to tell me I made something good or bad just the same.
As your allusion to TOR and hearing us complain over and over. Well, when my wife makes the same dinner over and over that I don't like, I sure will tell her each time how bad it is until she either makes me something else or warns me in advance that she is making the dinner I loathe. Then I can take proper action on getting myself something better. In TOR's case, they keep saying come back, try this patch, etc. but it still sucks. So until it changes or I get something better, deal with it.
Once again I told ya what ya wouldnt do, and why ya wouldnt do it.
So what if TOR asked you back....did ya actually go? If ya didnt, then why ya still complaining? They arent going to magically turn this game into a sandbox, and unlike your wife making something different, you know for a fact this isnt going to happen with TOR. You going to ask your wife to turn into another woman ya desire? Hell even simply continue bitching to her that you dont like something that cant be changed.....no you wont period.
That bird isnt going to fly, just the same as TOR being NGEed into a sandbox. If you think it will, I am sure there is an in-law ya dont like, best friend, or whatever.....keep on about it daily like ya do here over a game.
Thus your explanation is rather weak IMO.
Like I said, no one in real life would listen to the crap being pulled on these boards daily. The anonymity is the only reason you guys do it. We heard about the PRECioUs for over 5 yrs, and now it is simply something else.
So I will leave it at that.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
Annoys me that there was so much potential for a great interactive Star Wars Universe. After 7 years of development and they produce this???? I'll quote John Macenroe 'You cannot be serious.'
I would say that generally is the question.
The critisims about the lifeless world, the quiet and the AI seems to be rather common. I would be surprised to hear that this was never brought up during the short beta testing they did. It seems that was dismissed or ignored by BW for some reason.
Also, I think the market has demonstrated how it reacts to lifeless worlds and AI, so again, not sure why BW went head long into that direction.
it was dismissed because of the abundance of gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme
as someone who is still playing, I can tell you it is spot on.
i am only still playing because it is what my friends are playing.
my friends are playing it because they have a lot vested in it, and in star wars in general.
come may, i will be gone. there is no way even with 1.2 (which looks and will be impressive in terms of what a patch can be) which will be too little too late, that I won't be playing this game until 2.0 .. and even then, I have my doubts. they are simply too noob to mmo. i dont think I can sum it up any easier. while this might have been true at one time for Blizzard, they made it work. whether by luck/fate .. or hard work .. is irrelevant. in today's market something better will be out soon. you can't release rubbish like this. even rift, which isn't rubbish .. same problem. someone need to create a complete package.
im hoping gw2 will be that .. but im keeping expectations low regardless. at least they have relative industry experience. though I guess if you count WAR .. so do the Bioware guys .. so go figure ..
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
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ultima online?
Airborne1312 bangs his head against a brick wall.
Perhaps ok its in day but so was manic miner on the spectrum 48k.
It hasnt stood the test of time and im not surprised looking at its gameplay on youtube
If you think wow is garbage and swtor is great then you perhaps you need to go play age of conan to get some excitement back in your life
If you cant understand the basic mmo recipe/formula that wow tapped into and got right then your a fool and one big one at that
Ultima online?....i dont give a sh1t about its historical value in the mmo world...its dead and buried like SWTOR will be in 2 yrs.
Why the hell do you think blizzard are rich?
I dont play wow anymore but if i created an mmo i would have learnt a few valuable lessons unlike bioware.
WW2 mmo anyone?
You just described 90% of every MMO out there. Good Job, Im sure this post was in no single way an instrument to jump on the bandwagon of people who continually dislike and hate on anything new that comes along.
Why do you assume that if someone dislikes the particular game you like that they "continually dislike and hate on anything new". Why is it that Tera, Rift, GW2 gets no where near the amount of negative posts that SWTOR do, could it maybe be that more people think that particular game is un-ambitious and mediocre compared to how it was marketed.I would say cause a group of prior SWG fans simply cannot STFU when it pertains to TOR. It is pretty simple to name them, but that is ban material, and I prefer to keep my posting privledge.
Dont try to play it off as something on BWs end. You want an answer to your question, then I would suggest you look up Dr Phil. IMO no sane person would carry on about a games mechanics being changed, and yet we heard about "PRE-CU FTW" for over 5 yrs. So it really doesnt surprise me they would find a new focal point, and have another go round.
Especially when the new game covers the same IP as their lost luv, with it getting finally sun set just prior to launch.
This isnt to say that there are no legitimate complaints....as there are a number of them. What transpires here though is a "whole nother level".
Folks will say "but what about GW2, or some other game".....measuring it to the former SWG player's hate, on this forum, the combination of all of them pales in comparison. Which is a shame, cause some former SWG players like TOR, while others simply found something else to play.
For the ones that didnt, chances are you will find them in this forum.
And yet you complain that people were mean about Everquest in 2005. If you don't like plurality of views about games then a general MMO forum is not the place to complain because that's what pays the bills and keeps these sites running. I choose not to STFU as you so rudely put it because I can post my opinions on any thread posted here, as can you, as can anyone else for or against on any topic.Actually, when it comes to games... I do... If someone brings it up in the conversation or we're discussing it, I often say what I think about it and it's not worth the "holy grail" talk since it doesn't stand out much.
But it's not like I don't say what I think about any other topic as well... Hell, if we're already talking about it, why shouldn't I say what's on my mind regarding it.
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I think we all have. I just dont make it a habit. Now..dont get me wrong..I'll be sincere and tell it straight. This is completely different than being a drooling lunatic screaming hate for hate's sake or seeking merely to degrade and humiliate those who see differently than you. Although it seems that to the target..there is no difference as i am virtually friendless as well. Usually because I was asked to honestly answer a question or address a topic. Oh well.
Exactly. I'm not blunt to be mean, just to be honest and get to the point. It tends to rub people wrong because they are used to living or talking to people who lie or pretend to be nice. I'm a pretty laid back guy and would rather laugh than argue, but I'm not afraid to share my opinion. My wife has gotten used to me, took her awhile but she did. Now when I say dinner wasn't that good, she doesn't get as upset. Heheh.
I dont believe it.
If you bitch at someone daily that you dont like something that they do, eventually they are going to tell you to STFU, or simply quit communicating with ya.
The next time you dont like your wife's cooking, I suggest you tell her daily that you dont like it. We will see how long she keeps cooking for ya, or just flat out divorces ya. Which is the point some of us are at with the complaints of TOR. We heard ya the first time.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
Blunteness is just an excuse to look down upon others for their taste that differs from you. I am pretty sure if someone is blunt to you and nag you on daily basis about your tatstes in things you wouldn't tolerate it for one second. There is differences between discussing difference with your friends and trying to make them look bad for what thye like. if you do later i am not surprised you have few friends.
I am pretty sure your taste in music, movies, books or games is not all that superior even though you might be under the illusion that it is.
It's true, they have to fix the lifeless, formulaic worldspace.
They need to meld servers to increase the population.
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sorry to tell you this but the game just going to add thing it was miss from an normal mmo UI and envyroment,nothing new nothing pout of ordinary thos thing was suposed to be add before releasing the game is normal program mmo used to have now days and the game just forget abouth it thinking they are doing somthing new..sooo sad
you did the right thing in waiting for a trial; many people feel the same as you; game experience felt like a drag to me
Are you assuming I don't praise her when it's good? I do. Just saying, most people don't tell their wives it's bad when it's bad due to some odd fear of reprisal. I expect her to tell me I made something good or bad just the same.
As your allusion to TOR and hearing us complain over and over. Well, when my wife makes the same dinner over and over that I don't like, I sure will tell her each time how bad it is until she either makes me something else or warns me in advance that she is making the dinner I loathe. Then I can take proper action on getting myself something better. In TOR's case, they keep saying come back, try this patch, etc. but it still sucks. So until it changes or I get something better, deal with it.
See how much it bothers you? What is that? Besides, you are assuming I'm blunt in a negative way daily. That's a one sided viewpoint. It goes both ways with praise and encouragment as well. It's a fine line to tread, it's not like I'm Simon Cowell who is only negative all the time. But I sure am not going to sit in a car with music crushing my ears and sensibilities and let it slide. I'll say this sucks and put headphones on or just ask to change the channel to something we can all like. It's called compromise.
I hate to say it, but I really think Bioware just wants to cater to Story telling and raiding. We are adding a new raid! and a new Dungeon!! And we will expand on your story(which I like). Great...
But what about end game content for people that dont want to raid, pvp, or run dungeons? I honestly played the game for two months, and defended it on forums at every turn only because I loved the story telling. But that too became stale. If I wanted a copy and paste from WoW's end game, I'd resub to WoW.
Guild Wars 2 is a look at the future.
-Dynamic abilities(meaning, I drop a firewall, you shoot arrows through it, they catch on fire and hit the target)
-Beautiful world
-No gear treadmill
-Free
-Exploration, Exploration, Exploration.
-Dynamic content/group quests galore...feels like an MMO!
Sometimes people dislike and hate things that plain suck and sometimes those things are new things. Mindblowing, ain't it?
Bothers me? i thought we were just discussing here, and if you were really good at compromises you wouldn't have very few friends by your own admission.
No one likes to be around people who constantly nag them and don't forget to tell them that their taste is inferior compared to theirs and that was the crux of main discussion here. it is easier to eb that way on internet, thanks to anyonimity and all.
You are playing a monthly sub for this game just to play 90% Huttball, throwing a ball around on a mini battleground map.....this is not starwars lol. Game itself reminds a lot on MassEffect with all the story driven videos, what works for a single player is probably not succeeding in an mmorpg. There is a lot more than just story, this was discussed months ago and more and more people will agree in the meanwhile. It took a little longer for some people to find this out.
My experience in beta I would consider as being unforgetable, in a good way. I played a Empire spy, on the starting planet Hutta. Questing around in the swamp lands was ubber cool to me, and it felt so much like the mmo I wanted with people sprawling around as u rode the bikes way above everyone else questing. It was great. Being in jabbas palace was extreamlly fun and doing his dirty deeds while being a double agent against the hutt clan was really cool as well. The story was spot on.
I new when I bought the game, going republic as a Knight, it wasnt going to be near the excitement for me given the nature that I am as I had with Hutta and the spy. Never the less, I stuck with Republic.
Im currently unsubscribed from the game, not because of the game, but because I have alot of other things that need my attension. What truly scares me about swtor, is the crafting, just being in the crafting area, its dead and I kept reading everyone saying that Biochem was the only good profession to take and that 90% of the people took Biochem. Comparing it to aion, my favorite mmo, the crafting corner on elyos side is always stacked full of literally hundreads, to thousands of people. The capital city is really great place with lots of activity. Also the way the flashpoints are layed out, seems a bit weird to me, just doing the flash points kinda makes me have a headache thinking about it. I enjoyed them but cant they wrap them into the game better then making a single room with instances and calling them flashpoints?? Who the hell thought that up...
I can say though if you miss any of the Empire side story for the spy, your no mmo player. That alone is worth the box price. Also the art style of the game is very very spectacular, you almost dont want to play it and just admire the beatifull backgrounds when your role playing your Voice overs with the characters of the world.
As others have said, they dont like the world since its so static, I never noticed it one bit. Every mmo Iv ever played hasnt been any different, not sure where people get it in there heads that a few clever peaces of code making things move around makes a world less static at least in mmo terms. I think people got there heads wrapped way to much into skyrim before they played swtor, me I havent played skyrim yet so I was un-spoiled when it came to my swtor experience. Not to say character AI isnt something that dosnt extreamlly interest me, I think character AI is the future to greater gaming but what can you expect given the situation? Are there suppose to be massive galatic wars on planets that happen every so often that evolve into new quest lines for your characters randomally making everyones game different? That would be cool but I dont think were there yet.
That's because there is no crafting area? The crafting is done by your henchmen on your ship, not by yourself.
If you send them off to craft and enter your ship, you'll see them working at the work bench.
I too have few good and close friends... That's what I really respect in life - friends. But having a lot of friends isn't the measure of your honesty... I have a lot of friends, but when I need advice, critics, support, help, anything, then I'll talk to one of my 3 closest friends (my girlfriend, my best friend since childhood and my friend from university) and I can always count on them, as they can always count on me just as much...
So what's your point with bringing up and saying "it's no wonder you have little friends?"...
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No sounds are still missing , and chat is just whoever is in the same instance as you upto 250 in fleet oh and just to clarify i have 2 lvl 50 characters on starstorm one .
Ive made a terrible mistake and subscribed for 6 months. Although i have plenty of game time left, i already deleted this game from my pc's hard disk. The worst of all.... i got back to wow. Never thought that being ganked in stv will bring me pleasure again !!! All hopes on gw2. But i doubt it will fill my expectations for long. I know will be a fun and succesful game, but i doubt it can keep my interest up for long. So its gw2 until mists of panadaria until archage which will bring back the joy for hardcore mmo players like me.
heh..game seems to be more about chasing those interesting cutscenes than anything else..
Looking forward to EQL and EQN.
Once again I told ya what ya wouldnt do, and why ya wouldnt do it.
So what if TOR asked you back....did ya actually go? If ya didnt, then why ya still complaining? They arent going to magically turn this game into a sandbox, and unlike your wife making something different, you know for a fact this isnt going to happen with TOR. You going to ask your wife to turn into another woman ya desire? Hell even simply continue bitching to her that you dont like something that cant be changed.....no you wont period.
That bird isnt going to fly, just the same as TOR being NGEed into a sandbox. If you think it will, I am sure there is an in-law ya dont like, best friend, or whatever.....keep on about it daily like ya do here over a game.
Thus your explanation is rather weak IMO.
Like I said, no one in real life would listen to the crap being pulled on these boards daily. The anonymity is the only reason you guys do it. We heard about the PRECioUs for over 5 yrs, and now it is simply something else.
So I will leave it at that.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
it was dismissed because of the abundance of gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme
as someone who is still playing, I can tell you it is spot on.
i am only still playing because it is what my friends are playing.
my friends are playing it because they have a lot vested in it, and in star wars in general.
come may, i will be gone. there is no way even with 1.2 (which looks and will be impressive in terms of what a patch can be) which will be too little too late, that I won't be playing this game until 2.0 .. and even then, I have my doubts. they are simply too noob to mmo. i dont think I can sum it up any easier. while this might have been true at one time for Blizzard, they made it work. whether by luck/fate .. or hard work .. is irrelevant. in today's market something better will be out soon. you can't release rubbish like this. even rift, which isn't rubbish .. same problem. someone need to create a complete package.
im hoping gw2 will be that .. but im keeping expectations low regardless. at least they have relative industry experience. though I guess if you count WAR .. so do the Bioware guys .. so go figure ..
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already