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  • st4t1ckst4t1ck Member UncommonPosts: 768

    Originally posted by MwynForever

    Originally posted by Madimorga


    Originally posted by MwynForever


    Originally posted by Exilor


    Originally posted by MwynForever


    Originally posted by Exilor


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    That's right, no one can change my point of view. There's no helping that. But I'm discussing this news in what I like to think it's a civilised way. No need to ask me to leave, I hope.

    You don't have to go anywhere Exilor. It's perfectly ok to discuss things even if not everyone agrees with you.

    Glad to hear that.

     

    What I'm trying to say is that the powerful incentive of getting as much revenue as possible is there, and I can't trust a corporation to keep their composure about these matters. If you sell umbrellas, you want to have rain, and if you somehow could make it rain...

    hah :) If it were raining gems I'd be standing outside with a bucket I suspect! Real gems, real bucket of course. But I understand your concern. I have concerns of my own as do many. I think, one thing is important to consider. NDA is lifting soon and we can know a lot more then which will help people make decisions.

    It will help a lot when beta testers who aren' t biased in either direction are free to give us all a clearer idea of what value gold really has in PvP and PvE.

    Exactly what I am curious to know too

    I dont see how anything will help until release and you play the game.  everything is specualtion right now and will be after beta and the next beta and the next, you guys will come up with more reason's (not saying bad reasons) to be wary of the system and that fine. 

    When beta comes out they will say there wasnt enough time for inflation to occur,  when the next one happens it will be something else,  no matter what is said or done its a wait and see thing

  • MwynForeverMwynForever Member Posts: 139

    Originally posted by st4t1ck

    snipped stuff

    I dont see how anything will help until release and you play the game.  everything is specualtion right now and will be after beta and the next beta and the next, you guys will come up with more reason's (not saying bad reasons) to be wary of the system and that fine. 

    When beta comes out they will say there wasnt enough time for inflation to occur,  when the next one happens it will be something else,  no matter what is said or done its a wait and see thing

    That's ok, I can wait until at the earliest the game goes retail. No harm done right?

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  • mazutmazut Member UncommonPosts: 988

    Originally posted by MwynForever

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    That's ok, I can wait until at the earliest the game goes retail. No harm done right?

    Best decision. Wait for release and read reviews. Then decide if you want to play or not.

  • HalandirHalandir Member UncommonPosts: 773

    Originally posted by Madimorga

    If power and stat gear are on the AH for gold, and you buy gold with gems, then buy that stat gear, you are buying power and stat gear with real money, same as though it were in the shop.

     

    "Power and stat gear" is not an option in GW2. I know grasping that concept  is extremely hard for some people, but please try to get it - It will make your time in GW2 so much easier. 

     

    We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
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  • heavyhebrewheavyhebrew Member Posts: 309

    Originally posted by Pangentor

    Must suck to have so little self-control that paying $150 or more per year is better than optional services and goods.

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  • GWFandaddyGWFandaddy Member Posts: 180

    Originally posted by Metentso

    Honestly I'm thinking about going back to WoW for a while (for the eleventh time). I will let you enjoy your Cash Wars 2 :)

    Heck, even SWTOR looks better now.

    Cash Wars.....really?

    Let's invstigate that a little, Let's say we've both been playing for the past 6 years, you with World of Cartooncraft, and me, with guild wars. Let's say you paid $50 and then a sub, and I'll be kind and assume you didn't purchase any expansions or anything from the shop. Your total comes to $1,130.00. Let's say I paid the same $50, plus, I don't know, maybe $110 in the cash shop, and I'm being generous to your side, I haven't spent near that much, that comes to a grand total of $160.00.  Holy Crap! You're rignt! World of Ripcraft wins in a landslide!

    World of Warcraft cost over the last 6 years $1130.00 minimum

    Guild Wars over same period                         $50.00 minimum

     

    I had no idea we were getting owned like that in Cash Wars.

  • ForumPvPForumPvP Member Posts: 871

    Originally posted by Brewsir

    Originally posted by Metentso



    Honestly I'm thinking about going back to WoW for a while (for the eleventh time). I will let you enjoy your Cash Wars 2 :)

    Heck, even SWTOR looks better now.

    Cash Wars.....really?

    Let's invstigate that a little, Let's say we've both been playing for the past 6 years, you with World of Cartooncraft, and me, with guild wars. Let's say you paid $50 and then a sub, and I'll be kind and assume you didn't purchase any expansions or anything from the shop. Your total comes to $1,130.00. Let's say I paid the same $50, plus, I don't know, maybe $110 in the cash shop, and I'm geing generous to your side, I haven't spent near that much, that comes to a grand total of $160.00.  Holy Crap! You're rignt! World of Ripcraft wins in a landslide!

    World of Warcraft cost over the last 6 years $1130.00 minimum

    Guild Wars over same period                         $50.00 minimum

     

    I had no idea we were getting owned like that in Cash Wars.

    and what about the guy who just spend 1560$ on GW2 and played 1 hour total.

     

    Let's internet

  • ExilorExilor Member Posts: 391

    Originally posted by ForumPvP

    Originally posted by Brewsir


    Originally posted by Metentso



    Honestly I'm thinking about going back to WoW for a while (for the eleventh time). I will let you enjoy your Cash Wars 2 :)

    Heck, even SWTOR looks better now.

    Cash Wars.....really?

    Let's invstigate that a little, Let's say we've both been playing for the past 6 years, you with World of Cartooncraft, and me, with guild wars. Let's say you paid $50 and then a sub, and I'll be kind and assume you didn't purchase any expansions or anything from the shop. Your total comes to $1,130.00. Let's say I paid the same $50, plus, I don't know, maybe $110 in the cash shop, and I'm geing generous to your side, I haven't spent near that much, that comes to a grand total of $160.00.  Holy Crap! You're rignt! World of Ripcraft wins in a landslide!

    World of Warcraft cost over the last 6 years $1130.00 minimum

    Guild Wars over same period                         $50.00 minimum

     

    I had no idea we were getting owned like that in Cash Wars.

    and what about the guy who just spend 1560$ on GW2 and played 1 hour total.

     

    I'd suggest professional help lol.

  • SlampigSlampig Member UncommonPosts: 2,342

    If this game manages to live up to all the hype, I think I would be willing to pay a monthly fee. Although I wish these companies that offer monthly fees would drop all the cash shop stuff when paying that monthly fee. I don't like getting so many Store Bucks each month when I am dropping $15 each month, just seems unnatural...

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  • whisperwyndwhisperwynd Member UncommonPosts: 1,668

    Originally posted by ForumPvP

    and what about the guy who just spend 1560$ on GW2 and played 1 hour total.

     

    Was that you?

    Why do you care? Nice of you to care how someone else spends their money (though I believe the opposite).

     

  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    Originally posted by Halandir

    Originally posted by Madimorga

    If power and stat gear are on the AH for gold, and you buy gold with gems, then buy that stat gear, you are buying power and stat gear with real money, same as though it were in the shop.

     

    "Power and stat gear" is not an option in GW2. I know grasping that concept  is extremely hard for some people, but please try to get it - It will make your time in GW2 so much easier. 

     

    It was my understanding that stats on gear does matter except in one small form of pvp.  It certainly matters in Guild Wars 1.  The only difference is, once level 80, it is relatively fast and easy to get the best gear.  But what about at all the levels before it?  Are you saying an affordable piece of armor will be available at every level from a vendor?  If so, gear won't drop from mobs, right?  And there's no point in crafting any gear, right?  Because it's all given to you for almost nothing from vendors.

     

    If that's how it will really work, I stand corrected.

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  • DJJazzyDJJazzy Member UncommonPosts: 2,053

    Originally posted by ForumPvP

    Originally posted by Brewsir


    Originally posted by Metentso



    Honestly I'm thinking about going back to WoW for a while (for the eleventh time). I will let you enjoy your Cash Wars 2 :)

    Heck, even SWTOR looks better now.

    Cash Wars.....really?

    Let's invstigate that a little, Let's say we've both been playing for the past 6 years, you with World of Cartooncraft, and me, with guild wars. Let's say you paid $50 and then a sub, and I'll be kind and assume you didn't purchase any expansions or anything from the shop. Your total comes to $1,130.00. Let's say I paid the same $50, plus, I don't know, maybe $110 in the cash shop, and I'm geing generous to your side, I haven't spent near that much, that comes to a grand total of $160.00.  Holy Crap! You're rignt! World of Ripcraft wins in a landslide!

    World of Warcraft cost over the last 6 years $1130.00 minimum

    Guild Wars over same period                         $50.00 minimum

     

    I had no idea we were getting owned like that in Cash Wars.

    and what about the guy who just spend 1560$ on GW2 and played 1 hour total.

     

    A Rich guy who has a level 5 character?

  • dllddlld Member UncommonPosts: 615

    In a perfect world cash shop otherwise it really depends on how the cash shop and sub is being handled.

    If we have a sub, will the box be free? (IE box price = 1month sub) Will expansions be free? Will all "minor" additions to the game be free? If yes then sub is attractive but not attractive enough for me versus a cashshop with purely cosmetical items and an otherwise fully functional fullfledged no additional costs MMO.

  • ForumPvPForumPvP Member Posts: 871

    Originally posted by whisperwynd

    Originally posted by ForumPvP

    and what about the guy who just spend 1560$ on GW2 and played 1 hour total.

     

    Was that you?

    Why do you care? Nice of you to care how someone else spends their money (though I believe the opposite).

     

    ********World of Warcraft cost over the last 6 years $1130.00 minimum

    Guild Wars over same period                         $50.00 minimum

     

    I had no idea we were getting owned like that in Cash Wars.

    and what about the guy who just spend 1560$ on GW2 and played 1 hour total.*********

     

     

    if you cant find it or uderstand it,read it couple of times,whole story on page 16

    Let's internet

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069

    Originally posted by Dream_Chaser

    Originally posted by mazut

    I suggest Anet to put the option for voluntary Subscription. If people want to pay, why not :D Let them pay and be happy and at peace. Why takeing their security? It starting to feel like they are robed ;/

    The moment you add a subscription, you have to add methods to your game to keep people playing. It means that you need the 'carrot' (which GW2 doesn't need and happily ignores right now) in order to entice people into spending months and months of their life grinding.

    No subscription equals no carrot, no padding, no enforced grinding.

    and one could argue there's no point to actually playing, at least for some players.

    But different strokes for different folks, and its obvious a game designed like GW2 has been a long time in coming, and many people are really looking forward to it.

    They'll make big money, that's for sure.

     

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  • OnomicOnomic Member Posts: 196

    Originally posted by ForumPvP

    Originally posted by whisperwynd


    Originally posted by ForumPvP

    and what about the guy who just spend 1560$ on GW2 and played 1 hour total.

     

    Was that you?

    Why do you care? Nice of you to care how someone else spends their money (though I believe the opposite).

     

    ********World of Warcraft cost over the last 6 years $1130.00 minimum

    Guild Wars over same period                         $50.00 minimum

     

    I had no idea we were getting owned like that in Cash Wars.

    and what about the guy who just spend 1560$ on GW2 and played 1 hour total.*********

     

     

    if you cant find it or uderstand it,read it couple of times,whole story on page 16

    I wonder how many wow accounts ebay and other 3rd party sites have sold and how much money have been spent on rmt in that game alone.

    The wow sub is forced but you can spend as much money you want on it realy, gw2 box price is forced and you can spend as much money you want on it.

  • terrantterrant Member Posts: 1,683

    They can do what City of Heroes does. F2P, but there are microtranctions. And buying a sub gives you a stipend of the points for those (in this case gems), and maybe some other little bells and whistles.

     

    I, quite honestly, would not be opposed to paying 15/mo for this game IF it lives up to all the expectations we have. 

  • austriacusaustriacus Member UncommonPosts: 618

    Originally posted by Exilor

    Originally posted by austriacus


    Originally posted by Exilor


    Originally posted by Dream_Chaser


    Originally posted by mazut

    I suggest Anet to put the option for voluntary Subscription. If people want to pay, why not :D Let them pay and be happy and at peace. Why takeing their security? It starting to feel like they are robed ;/

    The moment you add a subscription, you have to add methods to your game to keep people playing. It means that you need the 'carrot' (which GW2 doesn't need and happily ignores right now) in order to entice people into spending months and months of their life grinding.

    No subscription equals no carrot, no padding, no enforced grinding.

    And the moment you add "convenience" items, you have to put inconveniences to keep people buying them. Like that new "attrition mechanic" that can be waived away with cash, the repairing of equipment.

    I would agree with you but the reality is that you can effectively evade the attrition mechanic altogether if you are good in the game.

    The damage is done, the line has been crossed. Being able to gracefully dodge the obstacles they put on your path if you're good don't make the whole situation okay, I think.

    Its still better than having an attrition mechanic that you CANT evade AND to pay a monthly sub.

    Your comment would be relevant if p2p games didnt have attrition mechanics+grinds+subs.

  • mazutmazut Member UncommonPosts: 988

    Originally posted by Madimorga

    Originally posted by Halandir


    Originally posted by Madimorga

    If power and stat gear are on the AH for gold, and you buy gold with gems, then buy that stat gear, you are buying power and stat gear with real money, same as though it were in the shop.

     

    "Power and stat gear" is not an option in GW2. I know grasping that concept  is extremely hard for some people, but please try to get it - It will make your time in GW2 so much easier. 

     

    It was my understanding that stats on gear does matter except in one small form of pvp.  It certainly matters in Guild Wars 1.  The only difference is, once level 80, it is relatively fast and easy to get the best gear.  But what about at all the levels before it?  Are you saying an affordable piece of armor will be available at every level from a vendor?  If so, gear won't drop from mobs, right?  And there's no point in crafting any gear, right?  Because it's all given to you for almost nothing from vendors.

     

    If that's how it will really work, I stand corrected.

    O.o  Biggest troll today, sigh

  • whisperwyndwhisperwynd Member UncommonPosts: 1,668

    Originally posted by ForumPvP

    ********World of Warcraft cost over the last 6 years $1130.00 minimum

    Guild Wars over same period                         $50.00 minimum

     

    I had no idea we were getting owned like that in Cash Wars.

    and what about the guy who just spend 1560$ on GW2 and played 1 hour total.*********

     

     

    if you cant find it or uderstand it,read it couple of times,whole story on page 16

    Sarcasm is weak in this one.  image

  • austriacusaustriacus Member UncommonPosts: 618

    Originally posted by Madimorga

    Originally posted by Halandir


    Originally posted by Madimorga

    If power and stat gear are on the AH for gold, and you buy gold with gems, then buy that stat gear, you are buying power and stat gear with real money, same as though it were in the shop.

     

    "Power and stat gear" is not an option in GW2. I know grasping that concept  is extremely hard for some people, but please try to get it - It will make your time in GW2 so much easier. 

     

    It was my understanding that stats on gear does matter except in one small form of pvp.  It certainly matters in Guild Wars 1.  The only difference is, once level 80, it is relatively fast and easy to get the best gear.  But what about at all the levels before it?  Are you saying an affordable piece of armor will be available at every level from a vendor?  If so, gear won't drop from mobs, right?  And there's no point in crafting any gear, right?  Because it's all given to you for almost nothing from vendors.

     

    If that's how it will really work, I stand corrected.

    Yes, that is correct. And appart from that you also get drops from mobs and the skins of crafted items are different.

    Its all about options and versatility.

    You have been talking as if you know anything about the game, clearly you dont.

  • GoldenArrowGoldenArrow Member UncommonPosts: 1,186

    Monthly subs hands down. It's a lot more player friendly as it offers balanced enviroment and gives the company a solid stream of revenue which allows them to plan their updates/expansion better ahead.

    F2P/B2P games with cash shop is just greedy scheme to drain the money out of the gamers pockets. I've spent around 200€'s on League of Legends (F2P) and nothing even remotely compares to that. Lifetime account for Lotro was around 130$ and that's a lot bang for your buck :j

  • someforumguysomeforumguy Member RarePosts: 4,088

    Depends on the cash shop. I'm not against a seperate cash shop, but I am against the cash shop gems<->ingame gold trade. And Arenanet's weak response about the player's worry doesn't really help.

     

  • ghost047ghost047 Member UncommonPosts: 597

    Originally posted by Mythios11

    I'd much rather pay a monthly sub than have a company use a cash shop to supplement their income.  

    Cash shop's are a slipperly slope.  Maybe they don't have a lot of "pay to win" items in it at launch but rest assured, if ArenaNet finds that it's not as profitable as they anticipated they will most certainly add more enticing items down the road.

     

    You prefer the way WoW does it, sub+cash shop, ok, it's mount and fluff, so as GW2, if fluff and no sub. What stop them, nothing, same goes for Blizzard. Look what they did with D3, auction house with real cash. It's the new way to go, accept it or leave it.

    Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Personally I've not changed my mind about playing yet, but I won't be playing long if this cash shop infringes too much on my play experience. By that I mean I don't want to run into things I can't use or experience inside the game, without using RL cash.

    I'd much prefer to pay a sub, than have that in a game.

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