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New Gaming PC acting up
I've had my new pc for about ermm little over a month now and its been working fine until about 2 weeks ago. It all started with updating my Nvidia graphics card from 280.26 to 295.xx, was playing WoW and my frame rates went bonkers after
Bonkers as in going from 60FPS down to 25FPS under no load outside orgrimmar with maybe like 5 ppl doing nothing on ultra settings
updating that and the other day i got a frozen screen that showed a bunch of purple pinkish lines running across my screen horizontally. I've recently went back to the 280.26, ive noticed the frame rates on WoW are back to normal some what, they bounce around when in vsync 60-45 when not in vsync i put it around 70 and then bounce very little on FPS maybe 70-63,
the bounce in FPS were doing it the same overclocked to 4.2 and standard at 3.3(turbo boost @ 3.9)
Just a couple hours ago i've been noticing my SB fan running around 6.5k RPM's and temps going up to 55c while my system is idle (not sure if that's normal for a extremely faster than normal pc, specs of pc listed at end of post) ....pc runs around 2% cpu load and 8% memory load at "IDLE" conditions with 55 process running
i've had this machine overclocked to 4.2Ghz but i took it back to factory settings thinking that might have been an issues..(i know its not but i wasnt for sure what was causing my video card acting up and now my SB fan/temps)
All the other fans don't run very often due to the areas stay at normal/below temps, and i havent noticed anything wrong with them in the asrock tuner app.
PC specs are as follows:
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
Motherboard:Asrock x79 Extreme9 MOBO
Hard Drive: 500GB seagate
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3960X
Memory: 32,768MB RAM
Page File: 4063MB used, 61373MB available
Video card: 560 gtx 2gb (non Ti) my screen is an acer 23in LED flat screen running at 1920x1080(1080p) connected using a hdmi cable
power supply:1000w (cant remember brand name) its not corsair or anything special....
asetek 550lc watercooling system
the case is a NZXT phantom full tower
Comments
Why do you repeatedly link to the TweakTown forums?
You've got a really weird build, going extreme overkill on some things, and then going cheap on others. What's the computer supposed to be for, anyway?
What power supply do you have? Also, open up your case and check to make sure that all of the fans are spinning properly. A visual inspection while the computer is on is sufficient here; you just want to make sure the fans are moving.
Actually, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say you bought a computer from Cyber Power PC or iBuyPower, got the "enhanced packaging" that fills the case with foam to hold everything in place during transit, and then forgot to take the foam out before you turned the computer on.
I got this pc from ibuypower and no i didnt get the "enhanced packaging" and ive personally looked inside the case and made sure all the fans are running..... and as i stated before "All the other fans don't run very often due to the areas stay at normal/below temps, and i havent noticed anything wrong with them in the asrock tuner."
cheap on others? no SSD better video card? im guessing thats what you mean by cheap, i have listed the things that are relevant to my issues at hand. i have an SSD but its seperate from windows, i have a better video card but its not being used for gaming purposes, i havent gone cheap but maybe the PSU which is an azza titan 1000w. i read reviews and showed nothing bad about it, why i got i. and the pc is used for what i wanna do mostly linux stuff but i do moderate gaming, which i havent had a problem with as i stated in my post before updating drivers...
as for the reason why some things are linked from tweaktown because i posted on there "which is a forum for my MOBO"and just copied that over to here, didnt pay attention to think links it copied over to here..
and your stab in the dark missed by 50% almost got me but not quite there yet :-)
and the only reason why you "ASSUMED" i bought it from there is beause the watercooling, darn im good, and and and i also forgot to mention that this pc is used for 100% gaming sounds more "OVERKILL" lol
Essentially you want to dissable everything and start adding one at a time to find out what the issue is.
That means everything form hardware/software acceleration, AA and even CPU/RAM overclocking. Completely uninstall all nVidia software and download an older (maybe 2-3 iterations back) and install AFTER a restart.
Unfortunately, unless you are really good at debugging hardware issues - this is the price you pay for buying top of the line. Not only do you pay far over what you need to but you likey run into problems with 1st generation hardware/software.
If you don't get this fixed ASAP, I'd return it for a replacement.
i started with the overclocking which was the only thing i done that was different, still didnt help and i even had to take off vsync to make things "somewhat better" i also did remove all of the nvidia drivers before going back to the one i had issues with, im just trying to get everyones opinion either it being a bad MOBO or a video card releated issues or even a soon to be going PSU, anything is possible i just wanted to get opinions not people tell me i went overkill, i did it for a reason
Is the GPU overclocked? The horizontal lines happened to me when I OC'd my 5770's VRAM a bit too much. Turning it back down fixed the problem.
Also, you may want to run Memtest86 or some other such program to make sure your RAM is functioning properly.
naw gpu is still the same as it came shipped to me, ill try the memtest see what that comes up with
Actually, no. It's because you've got what looks like an extreme case of overheating, and I was trying to think of what could cause that. Other alternatives include that you've covered up most or all of either the intake or exhaust fans for the case, or that some heatsink isn't securely attached.
55 C at idle means there is something seriously wrong. Power gating means that a processor with a TDP of 130 W might only be putting out several watts at idle. It might just be that you paid iBuyPower to overclock your processor, and they were really sloppy about it and disabled all of the power-saving stuff. But 55 C is about what my processor hits under an artificial stress test, and I've only got a ~$30 cooler on it--and one optimized more for quiet than cooling performance, at that.
ahh ic, i just did a memtest everything passed ok, i came back into the system after rebooting from memtest and checked the hardware sensors and the SB was at 51c, i didnt do the overclock option with them if that helps any
heres a picture to see everything from Voltages to temps see for your self, the SB temps are almost double than the others
just now at 54c my SB fan kicks in at 6.5-6.8 rpms and cools down to about 40-45c in about 45secs to 1min
You said all this started when you got new GPU drivers ? If you havent done this, unistall GPU drivers, run Driver Sweeper, then re install them. Put all BIOS setting ( Voltages, Multipliers, etc...) back to normal, or auto. Then see where you are at.
Maybe you done all this, it's not a sollution, unless the driver install was corrupted, or in OCing etc a voltage or multi got out of wack, or the PCI.
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ok i changed some settings around with the sb fan , also i noticed the IES(asrocks power saver) was disabled but its been on auto run since ive had it. hmm, at the moment i have 5 WoW accounts open im running folding @home(the ps3 thingy :P) with all my cpu usage going to the @foldinghome, i have firefox opened running 14 youtube videos and The southbridge temps are not going past 42c....i changed the fan setting to make it run around 1.5-2.5k all times
now nothing wrong with the SB temps for now, but i still am considering getting a replacement on the video card
this here, maybe my computer doesnt like being idle i dont know, when im running Gentoo linux my temps dont have problems, well gkrellm doesnt show the temps going past what they are now, i knew it was windows haha, i have a website and i run a game server under linux using my ssd's for those who wondered what my pc was for, its not over or under balanced it's made for what i want it to be, and i do plan on buying the dual 2011 mobo whenever it comes, i have a 3960 in a box waiting for it haha :P
any other info on why now it decides to act "normal" under a 100% cpu load running at like 13-15% mem usage the sb temps stay around 42c? the only thing that got hotter was the cpu which is stable at 57c and the M/B temps havent gone past 40c
Quiz mentions your "weird" build because you have a $1,000 CPU (that doesn't run any faster in games than a $215 CPU), and I'll give you some extra RAM needed to run 5 WoW accounts, but not 32G worth.
But you only got a $180 video card, a low end standard hard drive, and probably a junk power supply. And what appears to be a low air flow case.
It doesn't look like a gaming computer. It looks like someone's render box with a crappy gaming GPU thrown in it.
That being said, make sure all the overclocks are back to stock, take the side of the case of, and point a big box fan to blow directly into the case, see if that helps any.
I'm not here to bicker about my personal build or how bad it is, i have it how i want it not YOU, ill take anything and try anything new that i havent tried, and i have taken all the things you said back to stock, which still doesnt help,as i mentioned before i have a better hard drive which i dont use on windows and i have two better video cards which arent used on windows, also i mentioned before that ill be upgrading to the dual 2011 MOBO soon...this isnt a permanent build, im just trying to figure out whats wrong with what im using for gaming, not anything else,yes i went cheap but my wallet was limited to $2500 and i got what i could, not everything is better just because its "NAMED" brand actually the reviews on my PSU are actually Great reviews no one having issues. Just because it says corsair or evga etc etc doesnt mean its always better, remember that
Let's see the reviews, you haven't even told us the model.
all you payed attn to was my build you didnt even read through to what any of us said, if you did you'd see the 3rd post i mentioned my PSU model and wattage, next time read before you speak, makes you sound like a idiot if you dont
Artifacts. Leads me to believe you have an overheating issue or power fluctuation.
Here's what I'd do. I would turn all overclocking off. Make sure all fans are working and clean out the dust. I'm sure you did this, but this is just what I would do. Make sure all drivers are up to date. Check driver forums to make sure there aren't any issues with said drivers. Test said game at all defaults.
Again, I assume you did all this. Are you absolutely sure your fans are running properly? They may be on, but are they running at the same speeds as before?
Hope you didn't tweak something with the overclocking. Personally, I laugh at people who need to overclock with such killer gaming rigs. I mean, I have a 6 core @ 3.2ghz.. no real need to increase that. Why so much RAM? I've also had issues there. An old board factory overclocked my RAM and it caused some serious issues with performance.
You're either dealing with overheating or overclocking issues.. or you've successfully damaged your PC. That's why they tell you to be careful when doing things that your hardware isn't supposed to do. Good luck man.
EDIT - Looks like you fixed it. Voltages can be a bitch.
I'm not here to bicker about my personal build or how bad it is, i have it how i want it not YOU, ill take anything and try anything new that i havent tried, and i have taken all the things you said back to stock, which still doesnt help,as i mentioned before i have a better hard drive which i dont use on windows and i have two better video cards which arent used on windows, also i mentioned before that ill be upgrading to the dual 2011 MOBO soon...this isnt a permanent build, im just trying to figure out whats wrong with what im using for gaming, not anything else,yes i went cheap but my wallet was limited to $2500 and i got what i could, not everything is better just because its "NAMED" brand actually the reviews on my PSU are actually Great reviews no one having issues. Just because it says corsair or evga etc etc doesnt mean its always better, remember that
Let's see the reviews, you haven't even told us the model.
all you payed attn to was my build you didnt even read through to what any of us said, if you did you'd see the 3rd post i mentioned my PSU model and wattage, next time read before you speak, makes you sound like a idiot if you dont
Opps, your right, you did mention it.
I couldn't find any good reviews though.
Oh well, back to gaming on my PC, which does work, very well.
Ah, so it's the southbridge that is running 55 C at idle, not the processor. I'm not sure if you said that at the start, but I didn't catch it. Most southbridges only have a TDP of 5 W or so, so most motherboards just stick a heatsink on it and call it good enough. X58 has a TDP of more like 20 W, so X79 is probably high, too. And I'm not sure how much they're able to throttle back power consumption at idle. I'd assume that Intel and AMD don't put nearly as much work into reducing power consumption on their southbridges as on their processors.
One reason that I was worried about a 55 C idle temperature for a processor was that that probably meant that at load, the temperature would spike up high enough that the processor has to throttle back clock speeds severely to avoid imminent failure. I'm not sure what 55 C at idle on a southbridge says about load temperatures, though, or whether an overheating southbridge could cause anything like what you describe.
As for your power supply, I couldn't find any reviews of an Azza Titan at any wattage on a reputable site. I did find this for the 850 W version:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/848/pg5/azza-titan-850w-power-supply-test-results.html
They show the +3.3 V rail running out of spec even at low loads and low temperatures. But the reviewer apparently didn't notice this, or at least didn't bother to mention it in his write-up. Which is one reason why I say I couldn't find reviews on a reputable site.
Bad power supplies can cause all sorts of weird problems. Is it the cause of your particular problem? It's plausible. If I had to guess, I'd say "no". But a good power supply wouldn't make you wonder so much. I'd think if you're the sort of person to throw $1000 at a processor for a gaming machine, you'd also want to protect your investment by spending a mere $250 on a Seasonic Platinum (which is currently the best on the market) or at least a power supply that is pretty good. And also a good UPS.
I saw that same review, on the last page they mention the poor voltage regulation (in passing), but give it all kinds of good scores anyway.
Yea i said southbridge :-) i've started playing my game again and its still doing it, its very strange on how it acts with vsync on my FPS drop from 60-50 in like 25ms then jump back up after stabling out and it acts like my laptop that died to overheating, gets sluggish just moving around the map on the game. ill call ibuypower and see what they can do for me or have them send me a new PSU(ill ask for a better one) and a new GPU current one is a zotac 560, maybe i should invest in a better one of those also? i need the 2gb because i run multiple screens. if all i need is to spend 300-500$ more i dont care too what ever is best for me ill do it haha.
on the Asrock bios it has a list starts at 4.0 then goes up to 4.6 i believe maybe 4.8 but its goes
4 4.2 4.4 4.6 4.8 so if i wanna overlclock i pick which one i want and it sets the settings accordingly most i had it at was 4.2 because i was skeptical about this asetek watercooling system, i thought about upgrading that to a better one.running my SB fan at 2k rpms constantly fixes the overheating issues but it doesnt fix the FPS rapid drop from 60-50 sometimes even from 60-25 in millaseconds its crazy, maybe its just a bad GPU causing all these problems? who knows
Typically pink lines or strange patterns in odd colors happens when the Gpu is broken. I have at least 3 different Gpu:s that had almost the same problem. All broken and had to be replaced. Can you only see the problem in windows? If you can see lines, squares or patterns when you start the computer and in the bios its almost certainly Gpu-related. If it only happens in windows there is a chance it can be driver or software related.
my GPU load goes crazy like 17% up to 65% most ive seen it go was like 70% load but it flux's a lot idk if thats good or normal or what also my gpu gets around 60-65c thats while playing Wow at ultra settings, it does this at almost all settings (the load temp issues) but even more starting at good-ultra, i still get a random instant drop of FPS at low settings which is odd.
according to intels x79 chipset chart the x79 max TDP is 7.8W