The real funny(and not 'haha' sort of funny) is that if mittani gets a permaban /corp wipe/ whatever proper punishment for this attitude I am pretty certian that he himself would be driven to suicide.
I'm pretty certain you have no clue what you are talking about.
I think his point is that if he didn't have a mongol horde to look up to him, he'd have nothing to live for...
...and I personally question what he does for a living... wouldn't suprise me if EVE was his entire occupation.
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The real funny(and not 'haha' sort of funny) is that if mittani gets a permaban /corp wipe/ whatever proper punishment for this attitude I am pretty certian that he himself would be driven to suicide.
I'm pretty certain you have no clue what you are talking about.
I think his point is that if he didn't have a mongol horde to look up to him, he'd have nothing to live for...
...and I personally question what he does for a living... wouldn't suprise me if EVE was his entire occupation.
He was a DC lawyer but now retired.
The factually inaccurate reporting by 'gaming' media is funny though.
Never thought I'd say 'I prefer IGN now'.
What is happening to me?
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The real funny(and not 'haha' sort of funny) is that if mittani gets a permaban /corp wipe/ whatever proper punishment for this attitude I am pretty certian that he himself would be driven to suicide.
I'm pretty certain you have no clue what you are talking about.
I think his point is that if he didn't have a mongol horde to look up to him, he'd have nothing to live for...
...and I personally question what he does for a living... wouldn't suprise me if EVE was his entire occupation.
The real funny(and not 'haha' sort of funny) is that if mittani gets a permaban /corp wipe/ whatever proper punishment for this attitude I am pretty certian that he himself would be driven to suicide.
I'm pretty certain you have no clue what you are talking about.
I think his point is that if he didn't have a mongol horde to look up to him, he'd have nothing to live for...
...and I personally question what he does for a living... wouldn't suprise me if EVE was his entire occupation.
The loyalty he has instilled in that horde is pretty impressive tho even by RL standards, its borderline cult, they drink up his koolaid and ask for more.
The real funny(and not 'haha' sort of funny) is that if mittani gets a permaban /corp wipe/ whatever proper punishment for this attitude I am pretty certian that he himself would be driven to suicide.
I'm pretty certain you have no clue what you are talking about.
I think his point is that if he didn't have a mongol horde to look up to him, he'd have nothing to live for...
...and I personally question what he does for a living... wouldn't suprise me if EVE was his entire occupation.
He was a DC lawyer but now retired.
The factually inaccurate reporting by 'gaming' media is funny though.
Never thought I'd say 'I prefer IGN now'.
What is happening to me?
Perhaps you are getting old and smart?
Gaming meda only consists of wannabe journalist...
He said something stupid and was stupid as he was being drunk at a presentation. There is nothing more to it.
This mass hysteria people yelling "OH MY GOD!".
All this fuzz and mess is just a proof how stupid and inept the society have become.
What's happened to you, besides getting old, perhaps you have overcome this internet shit and realised that you have a mind of your own instead of just letting some stupid (again) wannabe journalist feed you with their shitty rethorics.
omg get over it, it is not like he told people his personal information, as a former member of GSF, all I have to say you all are pretty clueless about this game and carebears.
When you have nothing to contribute, it's always best to attack the person?
Have you ever played EvE? Do you know anything about the Goons? I would bet all my plex that the goons are laughing about this in mumble right now, it does not bother them one bit nor should it bother you.
It does not matter one way or another if I have played Eve or not. It also does not matter if I know them or if Goons are laughing. What does matter is the topic at hand. Please try to keep up.
Again what he said does not bother me, if it bothers you then deal with it or quit babbling about it.
It does not matter of it bothers you, it was a wrong action, and should be delt with by CCP. Don't lke it? YOU deal with it.
I am not the one whinning here like a carebear, and I don't think it was wrong, if you want to tell The Mittani that you are thinking about commiting suicide then you probably deserve the trolling
Carebear? Are you F'kin kidding me? Its all fun and games till someone gets hurt! Using words like "Carebear, Noob and stuff is all part of the "GAME" but is it really a game when someone's life is on the line? Ask yourself this question, would you feel the same if you caught the news tommorow and this guy ended up deceased? This ain't a game anymore when real life is dragged into it sorry, and if you can sit there and try to justify trying to get a troubled guy to off himself for kicks, then you don't need to have your a$$ on the internet, in fact, I think you need to seek professional help in all seriousness. As for the Goon Squad and their leader, if they think this is acceptable and responsible "human" behavior, then maybe they need to join you! And this is not me buying into the mass craze going on around this, however, it is me simply saying that if you agree that trying to get someone to kill themselves is normal behavior, then you need to be in a mental institution. As for the Mittani's apology, I believe he realized he might end up with a ban to appease the angry mob and decided to change course to save face. Truth is, alot "NOT ALL" pvp guilds usally are filled with people that do not think for themselves, nor do they think like normal people, they get off on bullying, trolling, and at times even taking it a step to far. You people out there supporting this kinda behavior need to learn to use some common sense and realize when its no longer a game..
EVE Online's annual Fanfest is an opportunity for players from across the world to share stories of the year's big events, political actions, and epic battles won and lost. Each year, player speakers from the game's biggest and most influential alliances are invited to take part in the Alliance Panel at Fanfest, where they can talk about their organisation and what it's done over the preceding year. Massively got a hold of a copy of this year's Alliance Panel, and unfortunately it was marked by something more distressing than the usual political ego-buffing and mass consumption of alcohol.
GoonSwarm alliance speaker and second-time CSM chairman Alexander 'The Mittani' Gianturco gave a talk on some of the year's most memorable alliance activities, from shutting down Ice Mining operations across several regions to scamming people with fake supercapital ship trades. As part of the talk, Alex aired a private correspondence in which a victim revealed that he'd been severely depressed following a divorce and expressed suicidal thoughts. "We're sure that he's not dead," Alex flippantly remarked during the talk, before adding that "he might have committed suicide."
Read on for the full details of what Alex said to encourage the event's thousands of viewers to engage in cyber-bullying, as well as the response from CCP.
While a flippant remark that the victim may have killed himself could possibly be seen as drunken banter intended to embellish the impact of the story, later in the talk Alex actually gave the name of the pilot and encouraged players to harass him in order to make him commit suicide. "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [REMOVED]," Alex said, adding that "he has his own corp. Find him." The entire talk was watched by a packed room of Fanfest attendees and streamed live to thousands of players at home. Alex told players to "deal with it" when complaints surfaced on the EVE forum.
With people still heading home from Fanfest, CCP responded to tell us they are investigating the issue and will get back to us with the results as soon as they can. Public Relations specialist Ned Coker told Eurogamer that CCP is "undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials," adding that "Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others." Ned also confirmed that "CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation."
Wow, some ppl sure don't understand when it stops being a game. This guy deserves a hospital ticket. Anyone that doesn't see the line here that was crossed, might want to get psychologically tested
Wow, some ppl sure don't understand when it stops being a game. This guy deserves a hospital ticket. Anyone that doesn't see the line here that was crossed, might want to get psychologically tested
Except the article was blown out of proportion, had factually FALSE statements and was not accurate at all. The link also no longer works as the person who wrote it made corrections and has said he will issue a public apology.
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Wow, some ppl sure don't understand when it stops being a game. This guy deserves a hospital ticket. Anyone that doesn't see the line here that was crossed, might want to get psychologically tested
Except the article was blown out of proportion, had factually FALSE statements and was not accurate at all. The link also no longer works as the person who wrote it made corrections and has said he will issue a public apology.
Hm, I just read the thread on the EVE Online forums. I'm not sure why you say that the Massively reporter is giving an apology? I still see that Mittani douchebag comments in that thread.
Hi, im the leader of a bloodthirsty guild and im dangerous and mean. Ill make your life miserable, in and out of game, but dont worry, it it gets out of hand, and the people up there get really pissed, ill apologize in tears and even give you ingame money as compensation, because as all overgrown high school bullies i have the testosterone levels of an amoeba and i wet myself when i see even a slight chance of consequence to my actions.
He won't get perma-banned or, anything like that, he is one of CCP's poster boys for the game. After all intrigue and hype just sells the game more, but, mitti. is acting like a little child who doesn't consider the reaction, or, the responsibilities of his actions.
I'm still waiting for the day when CCP is presented with a huge lawsuit over a player who gets caught in Real Life over scamming people, and, then blames CCP and Eve Online for encouraging the behaviour within the game. After all, people will mimick idealogies if they believe they can get away with it.
Eve online sounds like thug / hoodlum training ground.
EVE is the ultimate form of 'free' actually.
It has almost no rules (killing new players / cheating excluded) and lets the players do what they want.
I'd say it is probably closer to 'nature' since there are no 'safety net'. It attracts certain type of MMO players, whether it attracts you personally is another issue.
There's no death in eve online so it's absolutely nothing like nature and getting cloned when you die is the ultimate safety net.
Except you lose everything that you had at the time of death.
Only thing you retain are skill points (if your clone is up to date) and in-game gold.
Unless there is an MMO that has perma-death system that I don't know about, this is probably the closest.
Ship loss isn't enough of a deterrent to alter a person's behavior, especially those that take part in PvP, since most follow rule #1 of eve online...
If there was perma death those "certain types" wouldn't enjoy the game because they'd of been put to death never to offend again. It's because this game is so alien to nature that they can exist and even flourish.
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
Hi, im the leader of a bloodthirsty guild and im dangerous and mean. Ill make your life miserable, in and out of game, but dont worry, it it gets out of hand, and the people up there get really pissed, ill apologize in tears and even give you ingame money as compensation, because as all overgrown high school bullies i have the testosterone levels of an amoeba and i wet myself when i see even a slight chance of consequence to my actions.
Bye, bye, have got to go back to the basement.
....and plot my vengence, so I can return in glorious triumph after hainv been so wrongeed by the system. I will re affirm my dominance and plan to exploit this situation to maximize the spotlight on myself by ruining the online experience of everyone else playing in MY game!
When the person who 'broke' the story comes out and does a 180 turn TEN SECONDS into the interview, you know something's not as it seemed initially.
Last I checked, Massively has an office in UK which has some draconian libel laws... >.>
So he didn't identify the player, tell people he's suicidal, and then encourage others to harrass him online?
Not sure what this post is about.
He identified the player's TOON name; 'The Wiz', showed the people at Fanfest the mail that was sent to him by 'The Wiz' and asked the players to go and harrass him.
Unless US/UK legal definition of 'cyber bullying' changed the past few months, what 'The Mittani' did is not 'cyber bullying'.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
When the person who 'broke' the story comes out and does a 180 turn TEN SECONDS into the interview, you know something's not as it seemed initially.
Last I checked, Massively has an office in UK which has some draconian libel laws... >.>
So he didn't identify the player, tell people he's suicidal, and then encourage others to harrass him online?
Not sure what this post is about.
He identified the player's TOON name; 'The Wiz', showed the people at Fanfest and on the internet streamed live over the free and HD EVETV the mail that was sent to him by 'The Wiz' and asked the players to go and harrass him online.
Unless US/UK legal definition of 'cyber bullying' changed the past few months, what 'The Mittani' did is not 'cyber bullying'.
The term cyber bully was coined by a man named Bill Belsey and lucky for us, not only did he coin the phrase, but he supplied us with the definition too...
I fixed what you typed above to properly reflect the situation and color coded it so that it'll be easier to understand.
"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others."
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
The term cyber bully was coined by a man named Bill Belsey and lucky for us, not only did he coin the phrase, but he supplied us with the definition too...
I fixed what you typed above to properly reflect the situation and color coded it so that it'll be easier to understand.
"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others."
Cyber bully doesn't mean what you think it means.
The term was defined / clarified once it came into law in several states.
If anyone wants to know the ongoing story in its full
The term cyber bully was coined by a man named Bill Belsey and lucky for us, not only did he coin the phrase, but he supplied us with the definition too...
I fixed what you typed above to properly reflect the situation and color coded it so that it'll be easier to understand.
"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others."
Cyber bully doesn't mean what you think it means.
The term was defined / clarified once it came into law in several states.
If anyone wants to know the ongoing story in its full
Yes, the interview has the author of the OP's article along with Mittani.
Yes the author who used 'cyber bully' and cause this media-storm apologies and has made the corrections.
This whole thing taught me to 'like IGN'.
What the......
That's the definition of the term defined by the guy that invented the term.
The term was used correctly in the article and if it was allowed to snowball into what that drunken fellow wanted it would of met the legal definition as well. Lucky for us he stood alone on the issue and everyone, including the author of the article, saw that a line had been crossed and the offender changed his tune from his drunken presentation to a not so drunken but stupidly defiant Larry Flynt type "deal with it" to a complete and total reversal as he separated himself early from what could of been a violation of the law if any one took him up on his offer to go after that fellow.
It was not so much his actions that dictated whether or not cyberbully laws applied but other people's lack of action in that direction that gave him enough time to come to his senses and distance the real him from his idiot ingame persona.
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
That's the definition of the term defined by the guy that invented the term.
The term was used correctly in the article and if it was allowed to snowball into what that drunken fellow wanted it would of met the legal definition as well. Lucky for us he stood alone on the issue and everyone, including the author of the article, saw that a line had been crossed and the offender changed his tune from his drunken presentation to a not so drunken but stupidly defiant Larry Flynt type "deal with it" to a complete and total reversal as he separated himself early from what could of been a violation of the law if any one took him up on his offer to go after that fellow.
It was not so much his actions that dictated whether or not cyberbully laws applied but other people's lack of action in that direction that gave him enough time to come to his senses and distance the real him from his idiot ingame persona.
Meh, you can believe what you want. This is the internet afterall.
Anyone reading this thread that wants factual stuff can read up from better sources than two 'internet posters' anyway.
What is important though is that the OP's article's author has accepted that he got it wrong.
It'll be interesting to see which site is more interested in factual news and get it right after their 'source' of this turns out to be false.
All news site's with the 'cyber bully' sensationalist crap cites the Massively article as its source.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
That's the definition of the term defined by the guy that invented the term.
The term was used correctly in the article and if it was allowed to snowball into what that drunken fellow wanted it would of met the legal definition as well. Lucky for us he stood alone on the issue and everyone, including the author of the article, saw that a line had been crossed and the offender changed his tune from his drunken presentation to a not so drunken but stupidly defiant Larry Flynt type "deal with it" to a complete and total reversal as he separated himself early from what could of been a violation of the law if any one took him up on his offer to go after that fellow.
It was not so much his actions that dictated whether or not cyberbully laws applied but other people's lack of action in that direction that gave him enough time to come to his senses and distance the real him from his idiot ingame persona.
Meh, you can believe what you want. This is the internet afterall.
Anyone reading this thread that wants factual stuff can read up from better sources than two 'internet posters' anyway.
What is important though is that the OP's article's author has accepted that he got it wrong.
It'll be interesting to see which site is more interested in factual news and get it right after their 'source' of this turns out to be false.
All news site's with the 'cyber bully' sensationalist crap cites the Massively article as its source.
Just because nobody did what the drunk dude wanted doesn't mean the term cyberbully wasn't the right term and it would seem that since he's the only one that wanted to harm the other fellow over this video game it's not cyberbullying by law just like it's not inciting a riot by law if you can't get other people to riot with you it's just disturbing the peace or vandalism, but it's still inciting a riot because that's what you're trying to do and it's still cyberbullying because that's what he tried to do - just everyone had more sense and nobody took him up on his offer to harrass that other player.
I have no idea why the journalist folded but he shouldn't of because the application of the word cyber bully was apt in the context of the article and it's a good thing not everyone takes this video game as seriously as others, because to at least one person this spaceship video game is really serious business!
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
That's the definition of the term defined by the guy that invented the term.
The term was used correctly in the article and if it was allowed to snowball into what that drunken fellow wanted it would of met the legal definition as well. Lucky for us he stood alone on the issue and everyone, including the author of the article, saw that a line had been crossed and the offender changed his tune from his drunken presentation to a not so drunken but stupidly defiant Larry Flynt type "deal with it" to a complete and total reversal as he separated himself early from what could of been a violation of the law if any one took him up on his offer to go after that fellow.
It was not so much his actions that dictated whether or not cyberbully laws applied but other people's lack of action in that direction that gave him enough time to come to his senses and distance the real him from his idiot ingame persona.
Meh, you can believe what you want. This is the internet afterall.
Anyone reading this thread that wants factual stuff can read up from better sources than two 'internet posters' anyway.
What is important though is that the OP's article's author has accepted that he got it wrong.
It'll be interesting to see which site is more interested in factual news and get it right after their 'source' of this turns out to be false.
All news site's with the 'cyber bully' sensationalist crap cites the Massively article as its source.
Just because nobody did what the drunk dude wanted doesn't mean the term cyberbully wasn't the right term and it would seem that since he's the only one that wanted to harm the other fellow over this video game it's not cyberbullying by law just like it's not inciting a riot by law if you can't get other people to riot with you it's just disturbing the peace or vandalism, but it's still inciting a riot because that's what you're trying to do and it's still cyberbullying because that's what he tried to do - just everyone had more sense and nobody took him up on his offer to harrass that other player.
I have no idea why the journalist folded but he shouldn't of because the application of the word cyber bully was apt in the context of the article and it's a good thing not everyone takes this video game as seriously as others, because to at least one person this spaceship video game is really serious business!
The journalist on massively 'folded' and apologized to mittani on EVE-Radio to have overstepped by calling it cyber bullying. Cyber bullying is just the sensationalist gaming journalists new buzzword that they throw to left and right without even checking their sources.
That's the definition of the term defined by the guy that invented the term.
The term was used correctly in the article and if it was allowed to snowball into what that drunken fellow wanted it would of met the legal definition as well. Lucky for us he stood alone on the issue and everyone, including the author of the article, saw that a line had been crossed and the offender changed his tune from his drunken presentation to a not so drunken but stupidly defiant Larry Flynt type "deal with it" to a complete and total reversal as he separated himself early from what could of been a violation of the law if any one took him up on his offer to go after that fellow.
It was not so much his actions that dictated whether or not cyberbully laws applied but other people's lack of action in that direction that gave him enough time to come to his senses and distance the real him from his idiot ingame persona.
Meh, you can believe what you want. This is the internet afterall.
Anyone reading this thread that wants factual stuff can read up from better sources than two 'internet posters' anyway.
What is important though is that the OP's article's author has accepted that he got it wrong.
It'll be interesting to see which site is more interested in factual news and get it right after their 'source' of this turns out to be false.
All news site's with the 'cyber bully' sensationalist crap cites the Massively article as its source.
Just because nobody did what the drunk dude wanted doesn't mean the term cyberbully wasn't the right term and it would seem that since he's the only one that wanted to harm the other fellow over this video game it's not cyberbullying by law just like it's not inciting a riot by law if you can't get other people to riot with you it's just disturbing the peace or vandalism, but it's still inciting a riot because that's what you're trying to do and it's still cyberbullying because that's what he tried to do - just everyone had more sense and nobody took him up on his offer to harrass that other player.
I have no idea why the journalist folded but he shouldn't of because the application of the word cyber bully was apt in the context of the article and it's a good thing not everyone takes this video game as seriously as others, because to at least one person this spaceship video game is really serious business!
The journalist on massively 'folded' and apologized to mittani on EVE-Radio to have overstepped by calling it cyber bullying. Cyber bullying is just the sensationalist gaming journalists new buzzword that they throw to left and right without even checking their sources.
As I said above (scroll up and read it), he shouldn't of folded for the reasons I gave above (scroll up and read it).
Cyberbullying is defined above (scroll up and read it) and the reason why it applies in this case is also discussed above (scroll up and read it).
Most of it was even colour coded by me for the reading challenged so I'm not sure how you could of missed it.
Here's how you scroll: You click the small bar on the right with your mouse and drag it in the direction you want to scroll (in your case it would be up) or you can use the wheel on your mouse if your mouse has one (in most cases you'd roll the mouse wheel forward to scroll up unless you've changed your mouse settings)
Please follow my instructions and scroll up now.
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
That's the definition of the term defined by the guy that invented the term.
The term was used correctly in the article and if it was allowed to snowball into what that drunken fellow wanted it would of met the legal definition as well. Lucky for us he stood alone on the issue and everyone, including the author of the article, saw that a line had been crossed and the offender changed his tune from his drunken presentation to a not so drunken but stupidly defiant Larry Flynt type "deal with it" to a complete and total reversal as he separated himself early from what could of been a violation of the law if any one took him up on his offer to go after that fellow.
It was not so much his actions that dictated whether or not cyberbully laws applied but other people's lack of action in that direction that gave him enough time to come to his senses and distance the real him from his idiot ingame persona.
Meh, you can believe what you want. This is the internet afterall.
Anyone reading this thread that wants factual stuff can read up from better sources than two 'internet posters' anyway.
What is important though is that the OP's article's author has accepted that he got it wrong.
It'll be interesting to see which site is more interested in factual news and get it right after their 'source' of this turns out to be false.
All news site's with the 'cyber bully' sensationalist crap cites the Massively article as its source.
Just because nobody did what the drunk dude wanted doesn't mean the term cyberbully wasn't the right term and it would seem that since he's the only one that wanted to harm the other fellow over this video game it's not cyberbullying by law just like it's not inciting a riot by law if you can't get other people to riot with you it's just disturbing the peace or vandalism, but it's still inciting a riot because that's what you're trying to do and it's still cyberbullying because that's what he tried to do - just everyone had more sense and nobody took him up on his offer to harrass that other player.
I have no idea why the journalist folded but he shouldn't of because the application of the word cyber bully was apt in the context of the article and it's a good thing not everyone takes this video game as seriously as others, because to at least one person this spaceship video game is really serious business!
The journalist on massively 'folded' and apologized to mittani on EVE-Radio to have overstepped by calling it cyber bullying. Cyber bullying is just the sensationalist gaming journalists new buzzword that they throw to left and right without even checking their sources.
As I said above (scroll up and read it), he shouldn't of folded for the reasons I gave above (scroll up and read it).
Cyberbullying is defined above (scroll up and read it) and the reason why it applies in this case is also discussed above (scroll up and read it).
Most of it was even colour coded by me for the reading challenged so I'm not sure how you could of missed it.
Here's how you scroll: You click the small bar on the right with your mouse and drag it in the direction you want to scroll (in your case it would be up) or you can use the wheel on your mouse if your mouse has one (in most cases you'd roll the mouse wheel forward to scroll up unless you've changed your mouse settings)
Please follow my instructions and scroll up now.
Before trying to educate others I suggest you try to read that quote again a few times. And please take note of the word "repeated", the only reason people jumped the bandwaggon and started screaming about this like a bunch of dramaqueens is because Mittani said the guys name later on during the presentation which he already stated was a slip of tongue while being drunk which he apologized for and got his punishment for. This is by no means cyberbullying.
The game itself fits within the frames of cyberbullying as wardeccing and killing your enemies then taunting them could be seen as cyberbullying. People are growing way way way too soft these days, lets make all games about ponies and rainbows. I've had people talk shit to me and what do I do? I take CCPs advice and HTFU (yes exactly, Harden the fuck up).
Encouraging other people in real life to push a potentially suicidal person over the edge by using an online arena is cyberbullying and that is what 'dear leader' attempted to do.
The only reason why the laws of cyberbullying weren't broken is because nobody took him up on the offer. It was their inaction to follow 'dear leader' that prevented the law from triggering not any of 'dear leaders' actions because he tried his very best to lead people to harm another person and therefor it's justified to call him a cyberbully whether any incidents took place or not.
Do you understand this? It wasn't due to him that an instance of cyberbullying didn't take place it was because everyone else was far too adult to follow his lead or even allow it to start in the first place after all, it's just a video game...
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
Encouraging other people in real life to push a potentially suicidal person over the edge by using an online arena is cyberbullying and that is what 'dear leader' attempted to do.
The only reason why the laws of cyberbullying weren't broken is because nobody took him up on the offer. It was their inaction to follow 'dear leader' that prevented the law from triggering not his any of 'dear leaders' actions because he tried his very best to lead people to harm another person and therefor it's justified to call him a cyberbully whether any incidents took place or not.
Do you understand this? It wasn't due to him that an instance of cyberbullying didn't take place it was because everyone else was far too adult to follow his lead or even allow it to start in the first place after all, it's just a video game...
The Mittani was drunk and said his name at one unplanned part during QA which didn't follow his manus. Red text is enough to say case closed. He apologized and said he was wrong but he also said it wasn't cyberbullying and the journalist agreed and edited his articles and told the other part at Massively to do the same, you on the otherhand Mr. e-lawyer are just spouting your definitions and quotes and tries to persuade everyone it was. Just another Mittani/'dear leader'/GSF/SA hater I would assume at this point.
Also it's funny how everyone is stating that Mittani is such a horrible person but few says anything about the stalkers Mittani got stating they are going to rape his wife or kill his dog. This world is so filled with hypocrits and dramaqueens it's sickening.
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I think his point is that if he didn't have a mongol horde to look up to him, he'd have nothing to live for...
...and I personally question what he does for a living... wouldn't suprise me if EVE was his entire occupation.
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He was a DC lawyer but now retired.
The factually inaccurate reporting by 'gaming' media is funny though.
Never thought I'd say 'I prefer IGN now'.
What is happening to me?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Hes pretty wealthy.
The loyalty he has instilled in that horde is pretty impressive tho even by RL standards, its borderline cult, they drink up his koolaid and ask for more.
Perhaps you are getting old and smart?
Gaming meda only consists of wannabe journalist...
He said something stupid and was stupid as he was being drunk at a presentation. There is nothing more to it.
This mass hysteria people yelling "OH MY GOD!".
All this fuzz and mess is just a proof how stupid and inept the society have become.
What's happened to you, besides getting old, perhaps you have overcome this internet shit and realised that you have a mind of your own instead of just letting some stupid (again) wannabe journalist feed you with their shitty rethorics.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
As the media-frenzy-factually-inaccurate-storm passes we are left with something that was not expected.
A public apology by the 'journalist' that first mentioned the 'cyber bullying' word and created this mess.
Factually wrong statements were
The Mittani mentioned the 'sucidal player's real life name'. - FALSE
The Mittani's personal blog is http://www.kugutsumen.com/ - FALSE
What The Mittani did was 'cyber bullying' - FALSE
When the person who 'broke' the story comes out and does a 180 turn TEN SECONDS into the interview, you know something's not as it seemed initially.
Last I checked, Massively has an office in UK which has some draconian libel laws... >.>
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Carebear? Are you F'kin kidding me? Its all fun and games till someone gets hurt! Using words like "Carebear, Noob and stuff is all part of the "GAME" but is it really a game when someone's life is on the line? Ask yourself this question, would you feel the same if you caught the news tommorow and this guy ended up deceased? This ain't a game anymore when real life is dragged into it sorry, and if you can sit there and try to justify trying to get a troubled guy to off himself for kicks, then you don't need to have your a$$ on the internet, in fact, I think you need to seek professional help in all seriousness. As for the Goon Squad and their leader, if they think this is acceptable and responsible "human" behavior, then maybe they need to join you! And this is not me buying into the mass craze going on around this, however, it is me simply saying that if you agree that trying to get someone to kill themselves is normal behavior, then you need to be in a mental institution. As for the Mittani's apology, I believe he realized he might end up with a ban to appease the angry mob and decided to change course to save face. Truth is, alot "NOT ALL" pvp guilds usally are filled with people that do not think for themselves, nor do they think like normal people, they get off on bullying, trolling, and at times even taking it a step to far. You people out there supporting this kinda behavior need to learn to use some common sense and realize when its no longer a game..
Wow, some ppl sure don't understand when it stops being a game. This guy deserves a hospital ticket. Anyone that doesn't see the line here that was crossed, might want to get psychologically tested
Except the article was blown out of proportion, had factually FALSE statements and was not accurate at all. The link also no longer works as the person who wrote it made corrections and has said he will issue a public apology.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Hm, I just read the thread on the EVE Online forums. I'm not sure why you say that the Massively reporter is giving an apology? I still see that Mittani douchebag comments in that thread.
Hi, im the leader of a bloodthirsty guild and im dangerous and mean. Ill make your life miserable, in and out of game, but dont worry, it it gets out of hand, and the people up there get really pissed, ill apologize in tears and even give you ingame money as compensation, because as all overgrown high school bullies i have the testosterone levels of an amoeba and i wet myself when i see even a slight chance of consequence to my actions.
Bye, bye, have got to go back to the basement.
Ship loss isn't enough of a deterrent to alter a person's behavior, especially those that take part in PvP, since most follow rule #1 of eve online...
If there was perma death those "certain types" wouldn't enjoy the game because they'd of been put to death never to offend again. It's because this game is so alien to nature that they can exist and even flourish.
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
....and plot my vengence, so I can return in glorious triumph after hainv been so wrongeed by the system. I will re affirm my dominance and plan to exploit this situation to maximize the spotlight on myself by ruining the online experience of everyone else playing in MY game!
So he didn't identify the player, tell people he's suicidal, and then encourage others to harrass him online?
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
Not sure what this post is about.
He identified the player's TOON name; 'The Wiz', showed the people at Fanfest the mail that was sent to him by 'The Wiz' and asked the players to go and harrass him.
Unless US/UK legal definition of 'cyber bullying' changed the past few months, what 'The Mittani' did is not 'cyber bullying'.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
The term cyber bully was coined by a man named Bill Belsey and lucky for us, not only did he coin the phrase, but he supplied us with the definition too...
I fixed what you typed above to properly reflect the situation and color coded it so that it'll be easier to understand.
"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others."
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
Cyber bully doesn't mean what you think it means.
The term was defined / clarified once it came into law in several states.
If anyone wants to know the ongoing story in its full
http://www.eve-radio.com/news-compendium/eve-radio/1616-funkybacon-deals-with-mittani-podcast
Yes, the interview has the author of the OP's article along with Mittani.
Yes the author who used 'cyber bully' and cause this media-storm apologies and has made the corrections.
This whole thing taught me to 'like IGN'.
What the......
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
That's the definition of the term defined by the guy that invented the term.
The term was used correctly in the article and if it was allowed to snowball into what that drunken fellow wanted it would of met the legal definition as well. Lucky for us he stood alone on the issue and everyone, including the author of the article, saw that a line had been crossed and the offender changed his tune from his drunken presentation to a not so drunken but stupidly defiant Larry Flynt type "deal with it" to a complete and total reversal as he separated himself early from what could of been a violation of the law if any one took him up on his offer to go after that fellow.
It was not so much his actions that dictated whether or not cyberbully laws applied but other people's lack of action in that direction that gave him enough time to come to his senses and distance the real him from his idiot ingame persona.
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
Meh, you can believe what you want. This is the internet afterall.
Anyone reading this thread that wants factual stuff can read up from better sources than two 'internet posters' anyway.
What is important though is that the OP's article's author has accepted that he got it wrong.
It'll be interesting to see which site is more interested in factual news and get it right after their 'source' of this turns out to be false.
All news site's with the 'cyber bully' sensationalist crap cites the Massively article as its source.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Just because nobody did what the drunk dude wanted doesn't mean the term cyberbully wasn't the right term and it would seem that since he's the only one that wanted to harm the other fellow over this video game it's not cyberbullying by law just like it's not inciting a riot by law if you can't get other people to riot with you it's just disturbing the peace or vandalism, but it's still inciting a riot because that's what you're trying to do and it's still cyberbullying because that's what he tried to do - just everyone had more sense and nobody took him up on his offer to harrass that other player.
I have no idea why the journalist folded but he shouldn't of because the application of the word cyber bully was apt in the context of the article and it's a good thing not everyone takes this video game as seriously as others, because to at least one person this spaceship video game is really serious business!
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
The journalist on massively 'folded' and apologized to mittani on EVE-Radio to have overstepped by calling it cyber bullying. Cyber bullying is just the sensationalist gaming journalists new buzzword that they throw to left and right without even checking their sources.
As I said above (scroll up and read it), he shouldn't of folded for the reasons I gave above (scroll up and read it).
Cyberbullying is defined above (scroll up and read it) and the reason why it applies in this case is also discussed above (scroll up and read it).
Most of it was even colour coded by me for the reading challenged so I'm not sure how you could of missed it.
Here's how you scroll: You click the small bar on the right with your mouse and drag it in the direction you want to scroll (in your case it would be up) or you can use the wheel on your mouse if your mouse has one (in most cases you'd roll the mouse wheel forward to scroll up unless you've changed your mouse settings)
Please follow my instructions and scroll up now.
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
Before trying to educate others I suggest you try to read that quote again a few times. And please take note of the word "repeated", the only reason people jumped the bandwaggon and started screaming about this like a bunch of dramaqueens is because Mittani said the guys name later on during the presentation which he already stated was a slip of tongue while being drunk which he apologized for and got his punishment for. This is by no means cyberbullying.
The game itself fits within the frames of cyberbullying as wardeccing and killing your enemies then taunting them could be seen as cyberbullying. People are growing way way way too soft these days, lets make all games about ponies and rainbows. I've had people talk shit to me and what do I do? I take CCPs advice and HTFU (yes exactly, Harden the fuck up).
Encouraging other people in real life to push a potentially suicidal person over the edge by using an online arena is cyberbullying and that is what 'dear leader' attempted to do.
The only reason why the laws of cyberbullying weren't broken is because nobody took him up on the offer. It was their inaction to follow 'dear leader' that prevented the law from triggering not any of 'dear leaders' actions because he tried his very best to lead people to harm another person and therefor it's justified to call him a cyberbully whether any incidents took place or not.
Do you understand this? It wasn't due to him that an instance of cyberbullying didn't take place it was because everyone else was far too adult to follow his lead or even allow it to start in the first place after all, it's just a video game...
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
The Mittani was drunk and said his name at one unplanned part during QA which didn't follow his manus. Red text is enough to say case closed. He apologized and said he was wrong but he also said it wasn't cyberbullying and the journalist agreed and edited his articles and told the other part at Massively to do the same, you on the otherhand Mr. e-lawyer are just spouting your definitions and quotes and tries to persuade everyone it was. Just another Mittani/'dear leader'/GSF/SA hater I would assume at this point.
Also it's funny how everyone is stating that Mittani is such a horrible person but few says anything about the stalkers Mittani got stating they are going to rape his wife or kill his dog. This world is so filled with hypocrits and dramaqueens it's sickening.