There you go again with the made up information based off no facts. Once again, as my original argument has not been debunked, nor will it be, (since it is based on fact and not heresay) SWTOR still has 1.7 million subs with the only people not being reoccuring being those who purchased the game in the last month. You don't need to be a math wizard to understand that is nothing but a good thing for the game.
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"The vast majority of those 1.7 million are recurring subscribers". He didn't say "As of now, we have 1.7 million subscribers"
But I guess it feels safer for you to beleive that SWTOR has a staggering 100% retention rate, right?
Actually it was fairly clearly stated that SWTOR had a drop rate of 15%. There was after all 2 million units sold and only 1.7 million subscribers. Just trying to clear up your little misinformation there.
So you believe that they had an 85% retention rate after 15% quit in the first 8 days?
No, I believe what I said was that he was wrong when he mocking asked if the previous poster believed there was a 100% retention rate. I simply showed that BioWare admitted to a loss of players. To be honest though, your own numbers are flawed in suggesting there was a 15% drop rate in the first 8 days. It is more likely that the 15% difference (in the first 8 days you mention) would be more accurately described as mostly people who had not started playing the game yet even though the game had been purchased, plus a small number that had already decided to quit playing.
At this point though, we do not have any better information at least until the next investor call, so I will not be jumping to conclusions like some people here have. It seems to me that you, as well as many more, are jumping on the "doom and gloom" bandwagon, while the other poster is trying to get the "roses and daisy" bandwagon rolling on. Only a few of us are actually looking at this and saying that the true answer is somewhere's in the middle and that both of you types are crazy.
Numbers are falling, all indicators point in that direction, however I agree that no one will know how far until EA report to their investors at year end.
And then they will try to spin it as much as possible without outright lying. I have no doubt that the game is in steep decline but only EA/Bioware knows exactly how steep and they are not telling.
My jedi sage recently hit dark rank IV. Every jedi master she's gone out to save has died at her hands except one that she imprisoned instead. She put dozens of jedi masters to death at the end of chapter 1. Nobdy seems to notice her obvious embrace of the dark side, least of all the jedi councel. I was playing for my story, but it's becomming abundantly clear that there is no story.
My jedi sage recently hit dark rank IV. Every jedi master she's gone out to save has died at her hands except one that she imprisoned instead. She put dozens of jedi masters to death at the end of chapter 1. Nobdy seems to notice her obvious embrace of the dark side, least of all the jedi councel. I was playing for my story, but it's becomming abundantly clear that there is no story.
My jedi sage recently hit dark rank IV. Every jedi master she's gone out to save has died at her hands except one that she imprisoned instead. She put dozens of jedi masters to death at the end of chapter 1. Nobdy seems to notice her obvious embrace of the dark side, least of all the jedi councel. I was playing for my story, but it's becomming abundantly clear that there is no story.
I just finished story of my Smuggler and it was a fun ride. The only good story on Republic side i would say atleast thats what my guildies told me that other class stories are nothing compared to Smuggler. Same goes for BH. Some class stories outshine others.
Some of SWTORs story are really good. The game has some really great characters.
But Bioware is the most over-rated developer when it comes to story. There are MAGNITUDES of other developers who completely destroy Bioware when it comes to writting.
I picture Bioware as the Call of Duty of story. Incredibly mediocre but that's the only developer people know.
MMOs played: WoW, Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Guild Wars, Planetside, Global Agenda, Star Trek Online, RIFT, Everquest 2, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, EvE online, APB Best MMO Companies: Trion Worlds, ArenaNet, CCP Worst MMO Companies: Electronic Arts
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And then they will try to spin it as much as possible without outright lying. I have no doubt that the game is in steep decline but only EA/Bioware knows exactly how steep and they are not telling.
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Loved all the Mass Effect games. Still love SWTOR. I'm just going to keep playing them all....
My jedi sage recently hit dark rank IV. Every jedi master she's gone out to save has died at her hands except one that she imprisoned instead. She put dozens of jedi masters to death at the end of chapter 1. Nobdy seems to notice her obvious embrace of the dark side, least of all the jedi councel. I was playing for my story, but it's becomming abundantly clear that there is no story.
LOL.
No story, or not a good story?
I just finished story of my Smuggler and it was a fun ride. The only good story on Republic side i would say atleast thats what my guildies told me that other class stories are nothing compared to Smuggler. Same goes for BH. Some class stories outshine others.
Some of SWTORs story are really good. The game has some really great characters.
But Bioware is the most over-rated developer when it comes to story. There are MAGNITUDES of other developers who completely destroy Bioware when it comes to writting.
I picture Bioware as the Call of Duty of story. Incredibly mediocre but that's the only developer people know.
MMOs played: WoW, Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Guild Wars, Planetside, Global Agenda, Star Trek Online, RIFT, Everquest 2, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, EvE online, APB
Best MMO Companies: Trion Worlds, ArenaNet, CCP
Worst MMO Companies: Electronic Arts
Lol! You obviously haven't completed the game. Enjoy your hugely different coloured lights at the conclusion.
Oh yeah, ME 3 end is as terribad as SWTOR's excuse of an endgame. It still was fun to get there even though it ended highly disappointing.