Eh I spend too much money on steam games and MMOs already. What's another $60. The B2P nature of the game means that I can play at my own pace over time.
If it hooks me right away then great. If I play a few nights a month, then that's fine with me too.
What's interesting about this game to me from a consumer standpoint, is that it has a box price and also relies on cash shop for continued revenue stream. It's a different approach than most cash shop games, they rely on getting as many people in the game as possible tiger that small percentage of whales hooked on buying stuff.
I hope that model can take some of the burden of the cash shop as the sole source of income for the company, which could mean a less heavy focus on cash shop stuff over time.
Eh, we shall see. I am not sure how I feel about plopping down $60 on a game and then also getting hit up for microtransactions as well. Depends on what's in the shop I guess. I suppose it's not much different than paying $60 and then forking over a sub for eternity. It's more flexible at least.
Wait you're saying ANET built GW 2 to rely on the cash shop?
I pray to God that was a typo. Or least I pray to God I missread, either one would make sense.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Currently, I have seen all the information that has been offered on the winternet pertaining to beta.
Not a single thing seems even remotely interesting atm. I am banking on the fact that Anet is holding back some information or footage that will be revealed closer to launch to actually make me want to buy this game.
As of now however, I have no will to buy it whatsoever.
I know there are a lot of fanboys of this game who are already going crazy about it and calling it the best thing since slice bread. Am I really the only one that is a bit skeptical still?
Well if 3 faction server wars where you actually invade another server and conquer doesn't seem "special" to you... then don't bother buying this game because it's obviously not your thing.
Eh I spend too much money on steam games and MMOs already. What's another $60. The B2P nature of the game means that I can play at my own pace over time.
If it hooks me right away then great. If I play a few nights a month, then that's fine with me too.
What's interesting about this game to me from a consumer standpoint, is that it has a box price and also relies on cash shop for continued revenue stream. It's a different approach than most cash shop games, they rely on getting as many people in the game as possible tiger that small percentage of whales hooked on buying stuff.
I hope that model can take some of the burden of the cash shop as the sole source of income for the company, which could mean a less heavy focus on cash shop stuff over time.
Eh, we shall see. I am not sure how I feel about plopping down $60 on a game and then also getting hit up for microtransactions as well. Depends on what's in the shop I guess. I suppose it's not much different than paying $60 and then forking over a sub for eternity. It's more flexible at least.
Wait you're saying ANET built GW 2 to rely on the cash shop?
I pray to God that was a typo. Or least I pray to God I missread, either one would make sense.
He/she meant that Anet relies on the cash shop for continued revenue AKA to get a small flow of money going between expansions or something like that.
you'll be waiting a long time because it is not there and never will be. I have played the game it is no different than any other mmo out on the market, it has features from all of them, nothing new to share. I will still buy it as I collect MMO's but unfortunately it will be a short lived play through like most mmo's for me since OU, DAoC, SWG and WoW (which all brought something new to the genre, GW or GW2 does not)... all the rest are just bleh...
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
Planned to play it since day. I'm just curious how long the dynamic event grind will take its toll before I start looking elsewhere.
I give you three months tops and thats pushing it, unless you currently play GW or played GW for any extended period of time. Its a nich game, they will not capture any huge net new numbers with this MMO.
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
Currently, I have seen all the information that has been offered on the winternet pertaining to beta.
Not a single thing seems even remotely interesting atm. I am banking on the fact that Anet is holding back some information or footage that will be revealed closer to launch to actually make me want to buy this game.
As of now however, I have no will to buy it whatsoever.
I know there are a lot of fanboys of this game who are already going crazy about it and calling it the best thing since slice bread. Am I really the only one that is a bit skeptical still?
I wouldn't say the game isn't interesting. Even I think it might be a fun game. I just think it is going to be to shallow like ever other game without enough true content. I am really waiting for them to do something about that instance PvP they call WvWvW or the non-dynamic events they call dynamic. Does anyone know what dynamic means anymore?
I might play might not waiting to see if they step it up even more than they have already. Otherwise it is just another FAD game like SWTOR, Rift or anything else made since WOW.
The game won't be changing to cater to your PvP preference or dynamizing the dynamic events to your personal specifications. It just ain't going to happen. Best to accept it and move on. Either enjoy what the game does offer you or find another. I honestly don't care which.
I really don't mind if people aren't interested in what ArenaNet is selling with this game, just stop telling us you aren't happy. *WE* can't alter reality for you and ArenaNet is *NOT* hearing your message.
You might want to read the first two lines of my post! Where did I bash you game?
Eh I spend too much money on steam games and MMOs already. What's another $60. The B2P nature of the game means that I can play at my own pace over time.
If it hooks me right away then great. If I play a few nights a month, then that's fine with me too.
What's interesting about this game to me from a consumer standpoint, is that it has a box price and also relies on cash shop for continued revenue stream. It's a different approach than most cash shop games, they rely on getting as many people in the game as possible tiger that small percentage of whales hooked on buying stuff.
I hope that model can take some of the burden of the cash shop as the sole source of income for the company, which could mean a less heavy focus on cash shop stuff over time.
Eh, we shall see. I am not sure how I feel about plopping down $60 on a game and then also getting hit up for microtransactions as well. Depends on what's in the shop I guess. I suppose it's not much different than paying $60 and then forking over a sub for eternity. It's more flexible at least.
Wait you're saying ANET built GW 2 to rely on the cash shop?
I pray to God that was a typo. Or least I pray to God I missread, either one would make sense.
He/she meant that Anet relies on the cash shop for continued revenue AKA to get a small flow of money going between expansions or something like that.
Atleast I understood it so.
But that's not the case though lmao
We could analyze this each and every word.
The cash shop relies on the game more than the game relies on the cash shop or ANET lol.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I do not believe this game will appeal to everyone.
The most dominant MMOs right now are based on an idea that the game starts at max level, and generally include the idea of instanced raids as "end game". PvP is generally an afterthought connected to the PvE experience, though there is constant balancing going on between the two.
GW2 approaches all this differently, and tries to make the leveling itself the adventure, throwing in chaining dynamic events (which are a bit more like a pendulum on a timer but still feel dynamic), level 80 PvP starting at level 1, and by auto-leveling down characters depending on what area they're in (so the content always feels just hard enough). You will never get OP gear from HM raids. This is not an exhaustive list of what you can expect by any means.
Some people won't like this, but ArenaNet is betting that a lot of people will.
I for one am glad that GW2 and TSW are trying to do things differently. I think the MMO market has gotten stagnant, really stagnant. So people run around trying to find that one thing that will give them back the feeling that they had once upon a time in an MMO (for me this golden moment was in my progression 25 man raiding guild in TBC). And people hype GW2 as the salvation of MMOs, or trash it because they're scared it will somehow hurt their MMO of choice, or for some reason known only to them.
Me, I'm just hoping to have some fun in a game that looks promising, all IMO.
"Loading screens" are not "instances". Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Planned to play it since day. I'm just curious how long the dynamic event grind will take its toll before I start looking elsewhere.
I give you three months tops and thats pushing it, unless you currently play GW or played GW for any extended period of time. Its a nich game, they will not capture any huge net new numbers with this MMO.
I see GW2 having at least 3 nich's in one game which then qualifies it as an exclusive title. If its exclusive it can't be a nich.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Eh I spend too much money on steam games and MMOs already. What's another $60. The B2P nature of the game means that I can play at my own pace over time.
If it hooks me right away then great. If I play a few nights a month, then that's fine with me too.
What's interesting about this game to me from a consumer standpoint, is that it has a box price and also relies on cash shop for continued revenue stream. It's a different approach than most cash shop games, they rely on getting as many people in the game as possible tiger that small percentage of whales hooked on buying stuff.
I hope that model can take some of the burden of the cash shop as the sole source of income for the company, which could mean a less heavy focus on cash shop stuff over time.
Eh, we shall see. I am not sure how I feel about plopping down $60 on a game and then also getting hit up for microtransactions as well. Depends on what's in the shop I guess. I suppose it's not much different than paying $60 and then forking over a sub for eternity. It's more flexible at least.
Wait you're saying ANET built GW 2 to rely on the cash shop?
I pray to God that was a typo. Or least I pray to God I missread, either one would make sense.
Yikes. Well first of all I typed that on my phone and the damn autocorrect inserted som interesting words (tiger instead of to get, haha).
Anyways, if you read what you're responding to in context instead of selectively pulling one line out of the post, you will see that my opinion is that GW 2 is different from other cash shop games in that it has a box price. Most F2P games want to get as many people into the game as possible to get that cash shop revenue flowing.
Notice the part that I highlighted in red. I'm saying that because of the box price, Anet ISN'T as reliant on the cash shop for revenue, but it will still provide them with a continuing source of revenue.
Don't think that they don't want that continuing source of revenue. If they didn't there would be no cash shop. However, to be clear, what I'm saying in my post is that this will hopefully be different from other F2P titles in that they won't be as heavily dependant on that cash shop for revenue.
To answer your question, no I never said that. What I said was that they are dependant on the cash shop for a continuing revenue stream from people after the box is purchased. It's a fact, otherwise there would be no cash shop. I don't really understand how you could not see this.
I think the B2P is reason enough to buy the game, even if it is only for a month or two til exhaustion... only skyrim has lasted on me for more than a month... for the box price.
Most games offer only days of gameplay for a boxprice.. so if you keep in mind that you should get atleast a month of "game", i say it's a value pick!
you'll be waiting a long time because it is not there and never will be. I have played the game it is no different than any other mmo out on the market, it has features from all of them, nothing new to share. I will still buy it as I collect MMO's but unfortunately it will be a short lived play through like most mmo's for me since OU, DAoC, SWG and WoW (which all brought something new to the genre, GW or GW2 does not)... all the rest are just bleh...
You actually might not now since you broke the NDA
i used to play GW1 and i loved the concept that you just buy it once and done, you get the freedom to play whenever you want for as long as you want, loggin today and loggin after a year, it doesnt matter, you char will still be there ;P i am buying GW2 on the spot! cant wait!
Tormented echoes of a fallen Eden I longed for her beauty Yet from dust, she returned The dream, an enigma.... silent
Planned to play it since day. I'm just curious how long the dynamic event grind will take its toll before I start looking elsewhere.
I give you three months tops and thats pushing it, unless you currently play GW or played GW for any extended period of time. Its a nich game, they will not capture any huge net new numbers with this MMO.
And your expertise is based on?
"Loading screens" are not "instances". Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
you'll be waiting a long time because it is not there and never will be. I have played the game it is no different than any other mmo out on the market, it has features from all of them, nothing new to share. I will still buy it as I collect MMO's but unfortunately it will be a short lived play through like most mmo's for me since OU, DAoC, SWG and WoW (which all brought something new to the genre, GW or GW2 does not)... all the rest are just bleh...
You actually might not now since you broke the NDA
+1 I wish I new how to track that kind of thing. I'm not a saint, but I have always believe in if you give your word to something you should stand by it. This guy may not have even played it, to me he has no morals andI don't believe anything he says now.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I haven't seen anything special... the graphics look Asian themed, the gameplay = nothing special. I suspect in GW2 you create a character grind to max level then do epic quests. I am not even planning on buying this game, it looks like the same shit I was playing 10 years ago.
I haven't seen anything special... the graphics look Asian themed, the gameplay = nothing special. I suspect in GW2 you create a character grind to max level then do epic quests. I am not even planning on buying this game, it looks like the same shit I was playing 10 years ago.
Then, why are you in the GW2 forums? I mean, isn't it like, "Gee, I don't have anything to do, I think I'll hunt up some Jehovah's witnesses to talk to"?
Planned to play it since day. I'm just curious how long the dynamic event grind will take its toll before I start looking elsewhere.
I give you three months tops and thats pushing it, unless you currently play GW or played GW for any extended period of time. Its a nich game, they will not capture any huge net new numbers with this MMO.
I see GW2 having at least 3 nich's in one game which then qualifies it as an exclusive title. If its exclusive it can't be a nich.
The word is 'niche' not nich.
Considering that the original Guild Wars sold 6.5 million copies and was in the top 10 selling PC games of all time hardly makes it a niche game.
If you've done your research and still are not interested in the game, then the game is not for you. Go look for another game that does cater to your tastes because I doubt anything A-net is going to reveal at this point is going to make it interesting for you.
Planned to play it since day. I'm just curious how long the dynamic event grind will take its toll before I start looking elsewhere.
I give you three months tops and thats pushing it, unless you currently play GW or played GW for any extended period of time. Its a nich game, they will not capture any huge net new numbers with this MMO.
I see GW2 having at least 3 nich's in one game which then qualifies it as an exclusive title. If its exclusive it can't be a nich.
The word is 'niche' not nich.
Considering that the original Guild Wars sold 6.5 million copies and was in the top 10 selling PC games of all time hardly makes it a niche game.
Thats what I said, it's not a nich! Sorry for the misspelling
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
That one's mind can't grasp what makes this game's design different or compelling doesn't mean it isn't so, nor does it mean one might not appreciate the design once they actually play it!
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Wait you're saying ANET built GW 2 to rely on the cash shop?
I pray to God that was a typo. Or least I pray to God I missread, either one would make sense.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Well if 3 faction server wars where you actually invade another server and conquer doesn't seem "special" to you... then don't bother buying this game because it's obviously not your thing.
He/she meant that Anet relies on the cash shop for continued revenue AKA to get a small flow of money going between expansions or something like that.
Atleast I understood it so.
you'll be waiting a long time because it is not there and never will be. I have played the game it is no different than any other mmo out on the market, it has features from all of them, nothing new to share. I will still buy it as I collect MMO's but unfortunately it will be a short lived play through like most mmo's for me since OU, DAoC, SWG and WoW (which all brought something new to the genre, GW or GW2 does not)... all the rest are just bleh...
Planned to play it since day. I'm just curious how long the dynamic event grind will take its toll before I start looking elsewhere.
Grim Dawn, the next great action rpg!
http://www.grimdawn.com/
I give you three months tops and thats pushing it, unless you currently play GW or played GW for any extended period of time. Its a nich game, they will not capture any huge net new numbers with this MMO.
Just like most of the recent mainstream MMO releases, I'll buy it in hopes that it will provide some decent gaming entertainment for a month or two.
However, it seems to be lacking a lot of the features and mechanics that would keep me engaged for an extended period of time.
I really miss the days when I'd find myself completely engrossed in an MMO for a year or two.
You might want to read the first two lines of my post! Where did I bash you game?
But that's not the case though lmao
We could analyze this each and every word.
The cash shop relies on the game more than the game relies on the cash shop or ANET lol.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I do not believe this game will appeal to everyone.
The most dominant MMOs right now are based on an idea that the game starts at max level, and generally include the idea of instanced raids as "end game". PvP is generally an afterthought connected to the PvE experience, though there is constant balancing going on between the two.
GW2 approaches all this differently, and tries to make the leveling itself the adventure, throwing in chaining dynamic events (which are a bit more like a pendulum on a timer but still feel dynamic), level 80 PvP starting at level 1, and by auto-leveling down characters depending on what area they're in (so the content always feels just hard enough). You will never get OP gear from HM raids. This is not an exhaustive list of what you can expect by any means.
Some people won't like this, but ArenaNet is betting that a lot of people will.
I for one am glad that GW2 and TSW are trying to do things differently. I think the MMO market has gotten stagnant, really stagnant. So people run around trying to find that one thing that will give them back the feeling that they had once upon a time in an MMO (for me this golden moment was in my progression 25 man raiding guild in TBC). And people hype GW2 as the salvation of MMOs, or trash it because they're scared it will somehow hurt their MMO of choice, or for some reason known only to them.
Me, I'm just hoping to have some fun in a game that looks promising, all IMO.
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Nothing remotely interesting?? wow..
I see GW2 having at least 3 nich's in one game which then qualifies it as an exclusive title. If its exclusive it can't be a nich.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Yikes. Well first of all I typed that on my phone and the damn autocorrect inserted som interesting words (tiger instead of to get, haha).
Anyways, if you read what you're responding to in context instead of selectively pulling one line out of the post, you will see that my opinion is that GW 2 is different from other cash shop games in that it has a box price. Most F2P games want to get as many people into the game as possible to get that cash shop revenue flowing.
Notice the part that I highlighted in red. I'm saying that because of the box price, Anet ISN'T as reliant on the cash shop for revenue, but it will still provide them with a continuing source of revenue.
Don't think that they don't want that continuing source of revenue. If they didn't there would be no cash shop. However, to be clear, what I'm saying in my post is that this will hopefully be different from other F2P titles in that they won't be as heavily dependant on that cash shop for revenue.
To answer your question, no I never said that. What I said was that they are dependant on the cash shop for a continuing revenue stream from people after the box is purchased. It's a fact, otherwise there would be no cash shop. I don't really understand how you could not see this.
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I think the B2P is reason enough to buy the game, even if it is only for a month or two til exhaustion... only skyrim has lasted on me for more than a month... for the box price.
Most games offer only days of gameplay for a boxprice.. so if you keep in mind that you should get atleast a month of "game", i say it's a value pick!
You actually might not now since you broke the NDA
i used to play GW1 and i loved the concept that you just buy it once and done, you get the freedom to play whenever you want for as long as you want, loggin today and loggin after a year, it doesnt matter, you char will still be there ;P i am buying GW2 on the spot! cant wait!
Tormented echoes of a fallen Eden
I longed for her beauty
Yet from dust, she returned
The dream, an enigma.... silent
And your expertise is based on?
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
+1 I wish I new how to track that kind of thing. I'm not a saint, but I have always believe in if you give your word to something you should stand by it. This guy may not have even played it, to me he has no morals andI don't believe anything he says now.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Yes indeed. I'm waiting for the prepurchase date: April 10th.
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I haven't seen anything special... the graphics look Asian themed, the gameplay = nothing special. I suspect in GW2 you create a character grind to max level then do epic quests. I am not even planning on buying this game, it looks like the same shit I was playing 10 years ago.
Then, why are you in the GW2 forums? I mean, isn't it like, "Gee, I don't have anything to do, I think I'll hunt up some Jehovah's witnesses to talk to"?
The word is 'niche' not nich.
Considering that the original Guild Wars sold 6.5 million copies and was in the top 10 selling PC games of all time hardly makes it a niche game.
If you've done your research and still are not interested in the game, then the game is not for you. Go look for another game that does cater to your tastes because I doubt anything A-net is going to reveal at this point is going to make it interesting for you.
Thats what I said, it's not a nich! Sorry for the misspelling
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
That one's mind can't grasp what makes this game's design different or compelling doesn't mean it isn't so, nor does it mean one might not appreciate the design once they actually play it!
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
