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I have been researching for a long time and I need some help from some people that know what their talking about. I have a decent budget I think, about $1,500 max, but I don't want to build it. I need a good website to build it for me, what is the most professional but cheapest custom buidling website out there? I've been looking at CyberPower PC a lot lately, but does anybody have any other websites that are as proffesional but cheaper?
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http://www.ibuypower.com/
I liked the customise options it has and your budget is fairly high end for a good graphics card
www.xoticpc.com
I will only add a couple things to this. Get a solid state hard drive that is SATA III and make sure the motherboard will support SATA III as well. This had made a conisderable difference in gaming performance and overall pc performance for me. Also, AMD processors are much cheaper but go with Intel if you can afford it. Intel will always outperform a comparable AMD processor.
There's no rule against pricing things out on multiple sites and then comparing them. AVA Direct will give you the broadest configuration options. But on a $1500 budget, there are a number of other sites that will sell you something good, too, with some listed earlier in this thread.
One general rule is, if a web site won't tell you exactly what power supply they're using (brand name and model, not just nominal wattage), then don't buy from that site.
You should be aware that you'd save about $200 or so by building it yourself. If you don't think you can do that, then I'd question what you're going to do with the computer once it arrives. If you're capable of plugging in power, monitor, USB, and ethernet cables into the exterior of the case, then you're capable of plugging in SATA cables and putting things in PCI Express slots and memory slots in the interior of the case. If you don't want the hassle of assembling things yourself and are willing to pay that $200 or so for some other company to do it for you, that's reasonable. Some people have more spare money than spare time.
Also, you should post exactly what you plan on getting and wait for comments before buying it. When people come in and say, "I bought something random. Is it good?" the answer is almost invariably, no, it's terrible.
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On a smaller budget, you have to prioritize as to whether you want this or that nice stuff. On a $1500, you don't really need to prioritize so much. You just get everything nice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.892705
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.867857
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.836258
There's a promo code on the motherboard for 10% off. Check to see if it works with the combo deal. If it doesn't, then break the combo deal and use the promo code on the motherboard, as that saves you more than the combo deal.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226191
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148529
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148725
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102981
The total is $1358, including shipping and before rebates.
That should be able to handle either heavy overclocking or a second video card in CrossFire, though both at once on that power supply wouldn't really be the best idea. Other than that, it can handle whatever future upgrades you might plausibly want to do--and a lot that you won't plausibly want to do.
It would also be nice to use up the rest of the budget to get a GeForce GTX 680 instead of a Radeon HD 7870. The trouble with the GeForce GTX 680 is, well, click the link and you'll see:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600315498&IsNodeId=1&name=GeForce%20GTX%20600%20series
A good price on a product you can't buy kind of defeats the point of looking for a good price.
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It now occurs to me that I assumed above that you don't need new peripherals (monitor, speakers, mouse, keyboard, surge protector). If you do, then that eats into the budget, and I might have to cut back on some things.
I see what you mean on the GeForce GTX 680.. that's unfortunate because i wanted to go with a Nvidia card and i wanted to try out its 3d capabilities sometime. I don't need anything else except for a monitor, which is definitely going to dent my budget but i might need to over reach to get a nice monitor. Also I'm surprised to see how much everything still costs seperately compared to going with Cyber PC, might be the Easter sale they have right now.. but i was actually getting excited to start building the PC until i saw the total $. I really want to build my own now but comparing the costs to Cyber it's already looking more expensive. Not sure what my next move will be, unless there's any way to get better deals on everything on New Egg.
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I'm going to keep looking when I get back home tonight trying to figure this out, because i'm really liking the idea of building my own right now.
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If you're looking to save some money, I could pick lower end parts all around. You don't really need a full tower case, or a motherboard that can handle a huge overclock or some other such things. But you said a $1500 budget, so I picked parts accordingly. If you said a $1200 budget, I would have fit that budget, too.
If you're trying to compare this to a Cyber Power PC build, then you're probably not comparing comparable parts. For example, a "650 W" power supply that will explode if you try to pull 650 W from it is not at all similar to the fairly high end one I linked above. A 128 GB Crucial M4 is not at all similar to some JMicron-based piece of junk, let alone a hard drive.
And don't get caught up in their claims of an "Easter sale". They've always got some "sale" going on. Having higher nominal base prices than they intend for anyone to pay, and then always having things officially on sale, is part of their business model. They'll always say that the sale ends soon, to try to get you to rush into a purchase, but as soon as one sale ends, another one starts.
Stock price 680 is cheaper then 7970 so better performance and price not much but still.
If you wanne overclock then is whole other ballpark then 7970 crushes 680 by large marchin but price is offcorse still more for AMD for now ofcorse this can change maybe in near future if AMD go cheaper i recconment 7970 its less consuming and also scale better in xfire alot.
Bottem line is 680 by default single is best choice for now if its in stock.
But if you wanne go xfire or overclock 7970 is better choice and wait a little it prolly drop in price so its compatative with 680 by default.
Some side review cards with old rigs from 2 years ago and old games try find sites then use gen3 boards and newest games so you get a more accurate benchmarks Nvidia gtx680 vs AMD HD7970.
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Love my solid state, but you will not have a considerable difference in gaming performance from using one. By all means, get one, they are great, and they may reduce loading times a little, but you won't gain any noticable FPS's by using one.
I wanted to see what my build that I made on Cyber PC would look like parted out on New Egg so here it is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106009&Tpk=Amd fx 4170#top
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128521
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604
there was some pieces i couldn't find on New Egg like the power supply was standard, and the liquid cooling was standard as well as the hard drive.. but that's most of it right there. I'm not sure if this is a good build, it's definitely the cheaper route on most of the items which might not be the best decision.
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If you know something about computers then go buy the components and build the computer yourself.It cost less and you dont get loads of crap programs preinstalle on your new computer.
Yeah, that's what I figured. You're looking at the wrong parts entirely for your budget. A cheaper case with only one fan isn't still so much cheaper after you buy another decent fan or two for it. An AMD processor is a nice budget option, but really makes no sense on a $1000+ budget.
A "standard" power supply means "you're not actually supposed to buy this, and the reason we offer it is so that we can list a lower base price". The idea is that if someone sees that a model starts at $600 on one site at $700 on another, he's more likely to mess with the configurator (and eventually make a purchase) on the site where it starts at $600. So you offer some cheap junk options that no one should actually get in order to bring the base price down. A "standard" power supply is one of those. Another that some sites do is to make the base model not include an operating system.
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If you want to bring the price down on my above build, it's not really that hard to do. Some options:
Replace the case+power supply combo deal by this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.867786
That saves you at least $85 right there. There's a promo code on the power supply, too, which would save you another $16 if it is compatible with the combo deal.
Break up the motherboard/OS combo deal, and get this motherboard instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128488
That will save you something like $30 or so, depending on promo codes and rebates.
Get this memory instead, and use the promo code:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161452
That will save about $10.
You could save another $30 by swapping the SSD for this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236
Depending on how much storage space you need, you might be able to save $95 by skipping the hard drive entirely.
You could save about $200 by giving up about 1/3 of the video card performance and getting this instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150561
All together, that lets you bring the price tag down to about $1000, and still gets you a nice gaming machine.
Decent advice but uh....
the mobo you list is an INtel-spec LGA1155. The CPU he listed is an AMD AM3.
The processor in my above build is a Core i5-2500K, which is LGA 1155. If the original poster has changed his mind and now wants to fit everything in an $800 budget, then sure, you go AMD. But I didn't interpret wanting to spend somewhat less than $1500 as meaning substantially under $1000.
For some reason I can't see the CPU in your list, but maybe I'm blind. Sorry either way. And no, I'd agree with the card and probably the board as being decent choices for the price range.
You might check out Maximum PC they just built one for $500, $1500, and $2100, all good pc's. They even have a best of the best list which is really good. www.maximumpc.com/
I've been watching these threads for the last few weeks as I need to replace my ageing relic of a PC. On a side note it was a CyberPower and the PS blew and took the video card with it. I have a 750watt Corsair in there now and that is pretty much the only component I will keep for the new build.
Anyhow, my question is one of timing. With the new video cards JUST released and with the Ivy Bridge CPUs due out shortly is it a good idea to wait a month or so? Shouldn't prices drop (and any idea on when we might see some lesser cousins for the 680)?
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That's not a useful link as it merely goes to the site's home page. Regardless, you can usually beat such builds by quite a bit by considering what's on sale the day you buy. And that's even assuming that it was a sensible build in the first place, which sometimes they aren't.
That's one of the reasons why I say not to go with a "standard" generic power supply.
My best guess is that that Nvidia will launch a salvage part of GK104 shortly after they have sufficient volume to keep the GeForce GTX 580 in stock. I'd expect the salvage part to go for about $400 and offer performance in the same ballpark as a Radeon HD 7950.
Other Nvidia chips like GK106 and GK107 will come eventually. It depends some on yields, how soon Nvidia is/was ready to send in an order for volume production, and perhaps some on priorities if they don't have enough capacity on TSMC's new 28 nm HP process node. If you want me to take a stab in the dark, then I'll say June for both GK106 and GK107. But it might be August or they might launch next week, and I really don't know.
Ivy Bridge won't lead to any processor price drops. Rather, Intel will discontinue Sandy Bridge and sell Ivy Bridge for the same price as before. 10% more performance for the same price and with less power consumption is certainly a better deal, even if it's the same price. But is it worth waiting? That's up to you.
AMD's Trinity is also coming soon, and that's the one that could cause price drops. The last official word from AMD is "mid-2012". Some rumors say Trinity will launch for laptops on May 15. Since AMD is Global Foundries' only customer on their 32 nm SHP process node, they could shift the entire process node to Trinity production if so inclined--and if they're sufficiently confident that the yields are good enough to make this profitable. As it's now a mature process node, that's a lot of wafers, so I'd expect Trinity to ramp up quickly and Llano to disappear in a hurry. As such, I'd expect Trinity to arrive for desktops not long after it does for laptops.
Or perhaps rather, Trinity won't cause price drops at the high end. Vishera, on the other hand, could, at least if it's good. Once Piledriver cores are ready for Trinity, they'll also be ready for Vishera. I don't know if there's uncore or chipset stuff that could delay Vishera, but it might follow relatively closely on Trinity's heels.
Thanks guys for all the help, but I'm wondering if I could transfer out the graphics card for a nvidia card to work with that same build? If so which one would you reccomend getting.. (i'm using the first build quiz did btw)
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The things that I listed in the second build are various ways to modify the first build to save money. You could pick any arbitrary subset of them.
If you want an Nvidia card, there really aren't any that are a good value for the money, other the GeForce GTX 680 that is out of stock. The two that have sometimes been a good value for the money in recent times are the GeForce GTX 560 Ti and the GeForce GTX 570. But if you get a GeForce GTX 560 Ti today, you're paying about $70 more than for a Radeon HD 6870. 50% more money to get 10% more performance is not a good value for the money.
For a GeForce GTX 570, you could get this, which comes to about $278 before rebate:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130621
I suppose that the performance per dollar drops precipitiously on anything faster than a Radeon HD 6870. And the GTX 570 is at least faster than the 6870 by a large enough margin that it's not like you're paying a huge price premium for what basically amounts to a rounding error in performance difference. It won't offer the reduced power consumption or new features of new generation cards.
I guess some depends on how badly you want an Nvidia card. There are people who buy a GeForce GTX 560 or GTX 550 Ti even though you can get the same performance for a lot cheaper from an AMD card.
I was looking at the Gtx 550 Ti only because it has 3D support and i want to buy a Asus monitor that comes with the Nvidia 3D Vision.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130625
With the first build including the monitor and the gtx 550 ti, it comes to $1,550 without rebates.
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For most games, if you want the game to look pretty smooth, you may need around 40 frames per second. For stereoscopic 3D, if you want it to look right, you need 120 frames per second. That means you need a vastly stronger video card for stereoscopic 3D. A GeForce GTX 550 Ti may nominally support Nvidia's 3D Vision, but that's not at all what you want unless you don't mind running games at low to moderate settings. If you're serious about going the stereoscopic 3D route, then I'd recommend that you cut back on everything else I listed (you still need the Core i5 2500K, and may want to overclock it substantially, as now a processor bottleneck at 70 frames per second will be a big problem for you) and dig around until you can find a GeForce GTX 680 in stock.