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fanboyism is actually making me dislike the game
bishbosh
Member Posts: 388
people staunchly defending everything about gw2 is reminding me of all those other fail mmorpgs out there. they all had the same fanboy crowd licking up any crap thrown at them and BAM the game tanks.
i was intent on prerodering 10th april and now i dont even know if i want to buy the game. i dont want to play a game full of people that will take any crap from the devs/publisher because i know in the long run the game will suck because criticisms will be drowned out with " WOW had the same problems on release", " you havent even played to max level", "go back to WOW" etc etc.
i dont know if im the only one that gets turned off game by fanboyism, there are probably more people out there so i think its best to take that into consideration and be a bit more welcoming and less aggresive/vile when someone criticises gw2 or questions its "greatness". i would like to see gw2 do well (more compeition=better games for us) but games wont do well if developers cannot hear the players complaints.
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You shouldn't let them deter you from playing any game.
But your going to hear the exact same thing on any forum of any game / gaming website. It is no longer enough to just enjoy the game yourself, you have to force your point down the throat of all the people who even have the slightest criticism of the game.
'I have long since closed my eyes... My only goal is in the Darkness.'
Do you often let other people form your opinions?
This thread is kinda pointless to me. And you might think this reply is pointless.
See, your thread is one (or more) opinion. And my opinion is one (or more) opinion.
NEVER LET THE TROLLING DISEASE OF FANBOYISM GET TO YOUR BRAIN. FOR THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE NORMAL HUMAN BRAIN. THERE IS NO CURE, SADLY.
If people could actually put up a good argument, no one would have to defend the game. But I guess you don't have a problem with all the whiners and trolls. Too bad for you, don't play the game if you're that one-sided.
Not only that, but the MMORPG community is not even a drop in the bucket of people who will be playing the game. Miss out on a good game because you read a forum, see if anyone cares.
no i just explained in my post. other peoples opinions dont matter to me. its just that its impossible for a game to improve/get fixed if fanboys keep drowning out criticisms. i dont want to play a game that is doomed due to its playerbase. also i dont like such people, i dont want to play with them because they are stupid.
I am perplexed by how someone could be adversly affected by thing and people they choose to subject themselves to involving something that those people or content has little or no control over.
Get the game or don't get the game should be about whether you want to be a beta tester or not.
I would say if something you choose to subject yourself to is reason to not play it then wait.
And the reason we haven't seen good arguemtns is because they are always over speculative issues.
"What will be in the cash shop?" Yeah, we've been over this a few (thousand) times. There are no facts and so there is no arguement. Just people throwing meaningless opionins around.
That's a bunch of BS and you know it. Legitimate concerns get through to the developers, it's what the beta feedback is for. The issue is the large amount of noisy nonsense that people post that think is relevant.
Let me help you. The game stinks, it is made for children and the ultra casual.
I hope that makes you feel better about playing the game.
In all seriousness you should try the game in the open beta weekends and play it if you like it. You cannot take fanboys seriousl. They hype every game as their new dream game and then are always the fist to quit and bash the game as they move on to hyping their next dream game.
There is almost something to like about every game you jut have to keep your expectations realistic. GW2 may be a very casual game and not a main MMO but that does not mean you cannot enjoy it for what it is. With no monthly fee it could be a nice side game for many people when not playing their main MMO.
If that would make you not buy a game then I don't think anybody would have a problem not playing with you. Sad really.
Make up your own mind, once you get a chance to see it for yourself. Realize that another person's opinion of something is based entirely on thier own values and preferences, and should have no bearing on your own decision.
Once this becomes clear to you, there should never be any reason to create threads like this ever again.
No its not making you dislike the game, because one thing really has nothing to do with the other.
Its making you dislike forums and threads pertaining to GW2. So dont visit them. Hope that helps.
Meanwhile if GW2 looks appealing to you buy it. If not do not. Its all that simple.
Mass Effect 3 is a good example of just how quickly the "fanboys" will turn on their favorite game/developer when they feel dicked over. I wouldn't worry about the lack of criticism, if it's founded, it will come. You know, when people actually get to play.
In the meantime, if it bugs you that much, making a thread about it is probably not going to do any good considering just who is likely going to be attracted to it. Maybe take a break from MMORPG.com forums and visit GW2Guru where they're having all kinds of fun bitching about every little thing.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Welcome to forums before the release of whatever the next big thing is- you new here?
im not sure why you think the game needs to be defended? i think this is the essense of the problem. its a video game, its doesnt need to defended!
i think lots of the cash shop complaints are valid. the cash shop was initially only cosmetic now they offer levelling, gear etc and with the gem trade you can buy gold/anything.
why do you fanboys feel the need to supress these complaints? what do they gain from it. worst comes to worse, arena net will remove the gem trade, keys to chests etc etc and GUESS WHO WINS-->YOU THE CONSUMER
so what if the key/chest thing is not confirmed and it was just a leak. we should let the devs know we dont want it. if we assume it isnt confirmed they might actually implement (one thing i have learned is always expect the worst from mmorpgs) while if we complaing they wont implement it if they were going to.
so...you don't think the developers don't know about the dislike for the cash shop?
"fanboyism" is not going to be the deterent on what the cash shop has or doesn't have
don't be a follower and actually form your own opinion on the game and whether it is a good fit for you or not.
i dont think you understand properly. i am not influenced by other peoples opinions. its the fact that some people suppress negative opinions about things they like and we end up with a product that never improves.
Does his ability to cooperate in a team and successfully socialize in an MMORPG, and to learn his game mechanics really hinge on his opinion of how people respond to forum arguements?
I leave forum crap in the forums.
(not saying I agree with his post, just that it may or may not have anything to do with him a player)
That is exactly Eir's point on fans coming to defend the game. Cash shop doesn't sell gear, and it doesn't sell leveling. There's scrolls that boost your exp for an hour, which were a part of GW1 as well and, similarly to GW1, can be bought in-game. You, like all the others that keep getting shouted down, are spreading false info.
It's not about defending the game, it's about people that hear something one person on the internetz said and instantly assume it accurate without checking on the facts themselves. Google "GW2 cash shop leak" to find the thread that shows exactly what was in it for beta testing. There's no gear anywhere in there. Costumes, yes...gear, no.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
You're not the only one that gets turned off by fanboyism. However, why is that the main deterent for you from this game? I've leanred a long time ago not to let other people influence decisions about my own happiness. If you think the game is going to be fun, then try it. If you are unsure, wait for a trial or a beta invite. If you don't like it, don't play it.
I just have to ask, though, where are you seeing all these fanboys? The majority of threads on this site for the game (recently) have been flames or trolling. Hell, even in the TERA beta (which I was lucky enough to get a key for) the general chat is basically flooded w/ 'GW2 sucks!' spam. I've seen a few people here and there either ask 'why does it suck?' or say 'hmm.. looked fun to me', but those all get drowned out by the massive flames towards the game (which I still can't understand why that's there to begin with. People are there to play TERA, not to hear how much people hate GW2).
Most of the supporters of this game have either stuck to one of the fan sites (gw2guru), or have mostly kept to constructive threads towards the game. There's been a few of us that have spoken out against some of the trolls, but I haven't seen much in the way of blatant fanboyism. Nothing on par with FFXIV, and certainly nothing remotely close to what we had w/ SWTOR.
There are legitimate threads criticising parts of the game, they're just getting smothered by threads which flame or troll it (on this site). On gw2guru there is a bit more fanboyism, but it is a fansite. However, I've still seen a fair amount of constructive critic posts about the game. Either questioning balance issues, or the infamous cash shop, or requests for DE changes.
- Anyway, as I said at the beginning, play a game (any game) because you want to, not because of what other people say. If you are looking for reliable info on a game, find a game critic whos personality / tastes most matches your own. You will generally find that to be one of the most accurate ways to measure a game before you can get your hands on it.
Not bad.. I give 9 out of 10 flaming trolls.
I like how you went right in attacking people. Just a good old fashion name calling thread. Adding in the bit about "was going to buy it" makes it so catch 22. It is like saying "Convince me to buy it, but if you say good things about it I will flame you some more". Classis.
I would have givin 10 out of 10, but since most of the threads have been bashing GW2 and anyone who wants to play it, you just cant be all that original.
and yes, you can call me a fan boi, would rather be that then someone who takes time out of their life to post on a game forum for a game he doesnt even intend to play (and dont give me that "I was but, sniff sniff, you people like it" bs).
To you I say... Good Day
What I've done is take every said with a grain of salt.
Its really too bad MMORPG.COM doesn't let us call posters out for their previous stances or they warn/ban us. A lot of the posters on both sides were fanbois of some pretty fail games, and are now looking for the next big thing.
You make an excellent point. More to the point however, is people griping about it, and then not understanding why people are still excited about it and the cash shop doesnt matter all that much to them. Now once the game releases and it has a horrible cash shop that ruins the game, I'll grab my torch and pitchfork and add my voice to those fussing.
However there's a plethora of other things Im more concerned with and excited about pertaining to GW2. Not every post about the cash shop is invalid. Ive seen several that made excellent points and good discussion came of it.
However starting off your thread talking about "Fanbois" isnt going to help squat. Nor is it productive. Nor does it matter. When you attack some part of the community expect to get attacked back. You'll be called a "troll" or "hater" in turn. I could also say all the haters and trolls of this game make me not want to play it, but thats equally as ludicrous.
What you want is for the community to rise up and make a fuss. Not all of us are so inclined, and in fact most of us not at all. Not going to happen. You can call those of us fanbois or whatever other stupid term you choose to label it, but we are excited for what we're excited for. We want what we want. And your opinion nor anyone elses is going to sway that in the least. My own father could blast GW2 and Id still look forward too it.
Nitwitism at it's finest.
Stop spreading falsehoods about the types of pay2win that are in the cash shop. I am accused of constantly repeating myself, but I feel I almost have to when I read people constantly saying there is NO pay2win aspect in GW2 cash shop. The most blatent pay2win aspect is the cash->gems->gold->influence->RvRvR boosts. But some also define grind reducing as a form of pay2win as well. Some also object to the in game advertising for the cash shop a la mystic chests.
There is much to be complaining about in this GW2 cash shop. Sure, YOU may not mind it, but to claim that there is objectively nothing wrong with it would be untrue. I can point out several things wrong with it, according to what bothers me about cash shops.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements