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If you enjoy PvP is this game worth getting?

YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

I am contemplating buying this game but the know I hear of it, the more it sounds like this game is almost all PvE. I mean does it have any PvP content beside random open world PvP for no purpose?

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  • TrickygTrickyg Member UncommonPosts: 7

    There will be battlegrounds, political system, guild vs. guild, open world, and server vs. server. 

    Battlegrounds will consist of 5v5 deathmatches and 10v10 territories. 

    The political system will be based off of beating other guilds in battlegrounds to claim Vanarch for a province, but you can also win based off of popular vote. 

    One guild can claim a war on a another guild making all players from the opposing guild hostile.  You get 1 point per kill and 10 points for killing a guild leader.  First guild to hit 2000 points or have the highest after one day wins.  Not sure what the benefit is to winning guild vs. guild is yet besides rep. 

    Open world has no reward.  Just PK for fun.

    Server vs. server looks like it has a lot of promise.  Four servers get qued against each other in a giant SvS map.  Servers are ranked at the end of the battles and qued up against servers near their rank level.

  • BreakingeBreakinge Member UncommonPosts: 44

    Disregard my post, poster above me answered everything.

  • TrickygTrickyg Member UncommonPosts: 7

    Originally posted by Breaking123

    Disregard my post, poster above me answered everything.

    Haha, sorry I beat you to it. >.>

    Feel free to add anything I missed though!

  • SythionSythion Member Posts: 422

    Although I'm not the expert on this, it does sound like you will need to spend a rather large chunk of time grinding PvE before you can participate in PvP meaningfully. I may be wrong, and the players here can correct me if I am.

    Also the PvE is enjoyable to some, but not until about level 20, according to consensus, so you'll probably have to grind until then just to start enjoying the game.

    Just things to keep in mind if you wish to play TERA. If you're fine with these things, then that's great :)

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  • HeroEvermoreHeroEvermore Member Posts: 672

    i really enjoy tera. imo this is not a pvp game though. the game is balanced off of pve not pvp. think of this game as a monster hunter game with some other content. The core of the game is the pve action combat and any kind of balancing towards pvp in this game will only thwart the epicness of the pve battles which is this games I WIN button.

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  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655

    Originally posted by Sythion

    Although I'm not the expert on this, it does sound like you will need to spend a rather large chunk of time grinding PvE before you can participate in PvP meaningfully. I may be wrong, and the players here can correct me if I am.

    Also the PvE is enjoyable to some, but not until about level 20, according to consensus, so you'll probably have to grind until then just to start enjoying the game.

    Just things to keep in mind if you wish to play TERA. If you're fine with these things, then that's great :)

    Leveling is actually a rather quick pace.  Most can get to 38 in one weekend if they "no-life" it, so I mean honestly a casual could hit 60 in about 2-3 months if they spent their time leveling not doing all the other things there are to do.

    Though I have had a lot of fun PVPing this past weekend, almost anyone will duel you if you like, and there are plenty of PKs out to amuse yourself with, or you could always flag yourself and have people attack you, there is even a movement of people who want to try to convince everyone on a server to go "Red" to make real open PVP happen.

    PVP will happen in TERA, it will be rather interesting and unique, and I for one enjoy it a lot, in fact it is probably the main reason I'm picking up this title.

    Edit:  Its PVP is balanced off team play, 5v5 etc.  The same way every MMO I've ever played is balanced.

    Edit2:  Define grind?  If you mean do quests like you find in every other mmo, and kill monsters like every other mmo, then I guess every game is grinding.  Yes this game has leveling that is very similar to RIFT or WoW or SWTOR. 

  • marcustmarcust Member UncommonPosts: 495

    This is the first game I will pay a subscription for since I left Darkfall 12 months ago.

    While many facets of the game are the same as other titles, I support the combat model (pve and pvp) and I can see how this MAY turn out to have a great political model.

    I get my lore fix from my Lotro lifetime sub and on the assumption that TSW and GW2 add nothing new to the genre I will have fun in Tera until the next Lotro expansion hits later this year.

    If TSW or GW2 live up to their hype then I may flip-flop, however theres no evidence of it yet.

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  • TrickygTrickyg Member UncommonPosts: 7

    I'm assuming he meant grind to be 'repetitious'.  You could debunk any game ever made and pull out repetition from it.  Even games in RL, aka Sports, although the term grinding came from having nothing to do but kill the same monster for weeks on end to get further into the content of the game.  TERA has no grind; just a lot of quests.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,990

    Originally posted by Yamota

    I am contemplating buying this game but the know I hear of it, the more it sounds like this game is almost all PvE. I mean does it have any PvP content beside random open world PvP for no purpose?

    It depends upon what you find "meaningful".

    Some dont' like the ffa pvp in this game (or other games), some want things to be more balanced, whether that's skill, classes, closer to the level of who you are fighting, etc.

    My advice is during open beta play on a pvp server. It's very alive, very vibrant and the game play emerges as the players interact.

    After launch more will be added to the pvp system and of course there's this political system so who knows how that will play out.

    I love the pvp in this game. But I love it because it's very immediate though perhaps not as fast paced as some might want if they are used to extremely high energy pvp games (that aren't mmo's).

    for the first time I'm able to pvp and never have to look at my keyboard or tab around trying to find my target (and over tabbing and then reaping the rewards of that mistake).

    However, there are a lot of "same old same old" quests and you will have to come to terms with these.

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  • darkrain21darkrain21 Member UncommonPosts: 383

    Playing the game in the korean version to the 58 lvl cap (60 lvl cap for NA) its very PVE based up to max level. Sadly As excited i was for this game i am currently passing on picking it up because at lvl cap, except for 1-3 5 man dungeuns and BAM farming with 4 other people there is almost no pve content it is pretty much all pvp. If you are a fan of PvP i recomend the game but if you want some actual end game content you might want to wait and see were EM takes it with future patchs.

  • darkrain21darkrain21 Member UncommonPosts: 383

    Originally posted by deziwright

    i really enjoy tera. imo this is not a pvp game though. the game is balanced off of pve not pvp. think of this game as a monster hunter game with some other content. The core of the game is the pve action combat and any kind of balancing towards pvp in this game will only thwart the epicness of the pve battles which is this games I WIN button.

    EM said months ago that in PvP there will be no true balanacing due to the game being action based. In an early podcast they said "If you keep getting beat by the same person its not because of their skills you just need to get better at dodging" PvP is all the game offers at max level. 

  • SythionSythion Member Posts: 422

    Originally posted by Laughing-man

    Edit2:  Define grind?  If you mean do quests like you find in every other mmo, and kill monsters like every other mmo, then I guess every game is grinding.  Yes this game has leveling that is very similar to RIFT or WoW or SWTOR. 

    Grind = doing things to don't want to do in order to gain levels to get access to stuff you do want to do. If you enjoy the content, it's not a grind. If you don't enjoy the content, it is a grind.

    According to this definition, the consensus is the first 20 levels will be a grind no matter what. The final 40 levels may or may not be a grind depending on how much you enjoy the combat and BAMs.

    I realize that the basic game design is similar to most themeparks, but most try to make the game enjoyable from the start. TERA does not. That's alright for some, and I've made peace with that.

    Sounds like OP is not looking for open, random PvP, and more instanced PvP, which means he'll have to "pay his dues" and grind it out before he can get to the content he wants.

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  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    Ok, alot of answers about what will be in the game some time in the future and I never buy an MMORPG based on something that will be in the game later. I only care what will be in the game at launch and I heard PvP battlegrounds is out and I have not heard anything about territory control being in at launch either.

    So I am basically asking what will be in the game at launch, because that is what I will be paying for. PvP servers yes but without territory control and/or rewards I dont see much point in it. FFA PvP needs to have a purpose, like Eve territory control or alike, otherwise it will turn into a ghost town like SW:TOR open world PvP which also has absolutely no point or purpose.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,990

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Ok, alot of answers about what will be in the game some time in the future and I never buy an MMORPG based on something that will be in the game later. I only care what will be in the game at launch and I heard PvP battlegrounds is out and I have not heard anything about territory control being in at launch either.

    So I am basically asking what will be in the game at launch, because that is what I will be paying for. PvP servers yes but without territory control and/or rewards I dont see much point in it. FFA PvP needs to have a purpose, like Eve territory control or alike, otherwise it will turn into a ghost town like SW:TOR open world PvP which also has absolutely no point or purpose.

    The there is no purpose and I suppose it's not the game for you.

    You will have guild vs guild wars that you can wage on, ffa pvp which is in essence real territory control because you can send yoru people to make your enemy's leveling much harder,

    the battle grounds are supposed to be in the game in the summer. Since lineage 2 didn't have sieges until a few months after, and it really didn't matter too much as people just played the game and got stronger/levelled, I don't think waiting a few months for those battlegrounds should be a big deal.

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  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Member Posts: 1,136
    Watch for EME's patch notes for Open Beta/Launch that should be announced this next week. As of this CBT? No such rewards exist. It's debatable and up to opinion whether PvP should or needs to have rewards. GvG has purpose since all of the war results are kept on record. If your a "vigilante" you'd have purpose hunting outlaws.

    PvP is always on in TERA. If what your looking for is rewards they aren't in yet and unless Open Beta notes say otherwise probably won't until rated battlegrounds come out this summer.

    Just not worth my time anymore.

  • otacuotacu Member UncommonPosts: 547

    Originally posted by Yamota

    I am contemplating buying this game but the know I hear of it, the more it sounds like this game is almost all PvE. I mean does it have any PvP content beside random open world PvP for no purpose?

    TERA is pve focused.

    The pvp right now is almost completely in the making.

    Right now at lauch in May we will have

    owpvp (pk and gvg) : random killing just for fun or wage your gold in deathmatches.

    nothing else

     

    Late Summer (August if we are lucky)

    Battlegrounds (no real info for now except the fact that they are adding mobs into it to kill and get bonus)

    there will be rated bgs to elect 2 Vanarchs

     

    Far into the future (2013? we can only hope it's early 2013 in Korea and mid 2013 in the West)

    Server invasions (no real infos save the fact that it will be mass pvp involving 4 servers)

    (like the copied the rifts from RIFT it sounds like they are copying WvWvW from GW2 and that's a really good thing... hopefully it will be as good)

     

     

  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Member Posts: 1,136
    Oh Deathmatches also have purpose if you have wagers going and like to earn gold :)

    Just not worth my time anymore.

  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Member Posts: 1,136
    LOL Otacu do you have any basis for what you just posted? You forgot some PvP activities and do you have any sources for your time estimation? TERA on PvP servers is all about PvP. Well, unless you instanced PvP, that you need to look elsewhere for.

    Just not worth my time anymore.

  • rexzshadowrexzshadow Member Posts: 1,428

    Originally posted by Sythion

    Originally posted by Laughing-man

    Edit2:  Define grind?  If you mean do quests like you find in every other mmo, and kill monsters like every other mmo, then I guess every game is grinding.  Yes this game has leveling that is very similar to RIFT or WoW or SWTOR. 

    Grind = doing things to don't want to do in order to gain levels to get access to stuff you do want to do. If you enjoy the content, it's not a grind. If you don't enjoy the content, it is a grind.

    According to this definition, the consensus is the first 20 levels will be a grind no matter what. The final 40 levels may or may not be a grind depending on how much you enjoy the combat and BAMs.

    I realize that the basic game design is similar to most themeparks, but most try to make the game enjoyable from the start. TERA does not. That's alright for some, and I've made peace with that.

    Sounds like OP is not looking for open, random PvP, and more instanced PvP, which means he'll have to "pay his dues" and grind it out before he can get to the content he wants.

    Not true, if you enjoy it and its not a grind well i enjoyed all of lvl 1-32 so none of it was a grind to me. If i enjoy endless killing same monter for 3% ahr and its not a grind. So you can't state that because it be completely different for everyone.

    I don't have problem with starting area but it seem many do which is what EME is working on fixing. I always hate start area, no matter how well made i'll always hate lower lvl content.

  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Member Posts: 1,136
    Correction, I know Battlegrounds are quoted as "late summer" but do you have information for the Queen of Argon part 2, which is supposed to introduce Server vs. Server?

    Just not worth my time anymore.

  • SythionSythion Member Posts: 422

    Originally posted by rexzshadow

    Originally posted by Sythion

    the consensus is the first 20 levels will be a grind no matter what.

    Not true, if you enjoy it and its not a grind well i enjoyed all of lvl 1-32 so none of it was a grind to me. If i enjoy endless killing same monter for 3% ahr and its not a grind. So you can't state that because it be completely different for everyone.

    I don't have problem with starting area but it seem many do which is what EME is working on fixing. I always hate start area, no matter how well made i'll always hate lower lvl content.

    I'll ignore that you seem to be contradicting yourself here, and point out that consensus does not mean unanimity.

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  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    Originally posted by Sythion

    Originally posted by rexzshadow


    Originally posted by Sythion

    the consensus is the first 20 levels will be a grind no matter what.

    Not true, if you enjoy it and its not a grind well i enjoyed all of lvl 1-32 so none of it was a grind to me. If i enjoy endless killing same monter for 3% ahr and its not a grind. So you can't state that because it be completely different for everyone.

    I don't have problem with starting area but it seem many do which is what EME is working on fixing. I always hate start area, no matter how well made i'll always hate lower lvl content.

    I'll ignore that you seem to be contradicting yourself here, and point out that consensus does not mean unanimity.

    Depends on what you consider as grind,  as for my self I don't consider questing as grinding.  Killing mobs over and over for only .002 exp is what I consider as grinding, which tera does not have.

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  • EvilestTwinEvilestTwin Member Posts: 286

    Originally posted by stayontarget

    Originally posted by Sythion


    Originally posted by rexzshadow


    Originally posted by Sythion

    the consensus is the first 20 levels will be a grind no matter what.

    Not true, if you enjoy it and its not a grind well i enjoyed all of lvl 1-32 so none of it was a grind to me. If i enjoy endless killing same monter for 3% ahr and its not a grind. So you can't state that because it be completely different for everyone.

    I don't have problem with starting area but it seem many do which is what EME is working on fixing. I always hate start area, no matter how well made i'll always hate lower lvl content.

    I'll ignore that you seem to be contradicting yourself here, and point out that consensus does not mean unanimity.

    Depends on what you consider as grind,  as for my self I don't consider questing as grinding.  Killing mobs over and over for only .002 exp is what I consider as grinding, which tera does not have.

    TERA's questing is just killing mobs over and over again.  

  • otacuotacu Member UncommonPosts: 547

     






    Originally posted by Deron_Barak

    LOL Otacu do you have any basis for what you just posted? You forgot some PvP activities and do you have any sources for your time estimation? TERA on PvP servers is all about PvP. Well, unless you instanced PvP, that you need to look elsewhere for.


     I did not forgot some pvp activities. duels, gvg, deathmatches etc. are all just owpvp

     

    The time estimations are based on what we are getting right now in Korea.

    They are working on Rifts right now. Late summer battlegrounds will be introduced so i can only guess a major update like server invasions will be up next year.

     






    Originally posted by Deron_Barak

    Correction, I know Battlegrounds are quoted as "late summer" but do you have information for the Queen of Argon part 2, which is supposed to introduce Server vs. Server?


     Link or it didn't happen.

     

    The last time BHS mentioned server invasion was 1 year ago where it evaluated to have new battlegrounds and gvg by autumn 2011 and rifts by winter 2012. After that a fourth major city (Juras Ark) and invasions.

    This was last year.

    Considering how slow they are and how they are struggling just by copying simple features from other games i guess i'm pretty safe to say that the invasions won't go live until 2013. But that's just an estimate based on the updates speed

  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,981

    Originally posted by Yamota

    I am contemplating buying this game but the know I hear of it, the more it sounds like this game is almost all PvE. I mean does it have any PvP content beside random open world PvP for no purpose?

    It definately seemed so. And it has dynamic gameplay to support it. Unfortunately pvp servers are made to cater to ganking, with almost 0 risk to cowards. So if that is your kick, than yes. Otherwise, no

     



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