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i dont understand why people are complaining and have a problem over my choice of freedom
No one forced you to pre purchase .Anet has put forward there business plan plain and simple.
This is not some shady company who eants to make a quick buck and flee away.
We have played GW1 and there expansions I knwo hoe there cash shop works and how committed teh devs are towards there games..
I dont have any problem in buying in this game and neither in there cash shop. As long as there is no monthly sub its my choice totally when to play when to not , when to buy cash items when to not.
If someone where to tell me that thsi games is unplayeable without gems then I would understand
Lol I should think its GW1 and GW2 fanboys turn to get trolled
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People really trying their best to post negatives at GW2 cos they know all their friends and families are going to play GW2.
And that is the truth.
Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language
^ Doesnt understand the difference between Developer and Publisher.
"The problem with quotes from the Internet is that it's almost impossible to validate their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
Funny, the OP only posted once in his own topic and not participating in the debate. Not like it would matter since hes been misinformed. All the leaked shop pics show that there are no P2W items. Also I havent caught ANet lying or being crafty on any topic. Everything they said has showed truth, therefore I believe there statement that they dont want P2W items in there shop. And yes, I prepurchased because they have shown nothing, but honesty.
Yes, an average person starting on a server at a later date than an average person starting at an earlier date, is indeed at disadvantage. However, that is a disadvantage we accept.
I applaud your cynicism but you need to take it to the next step. PR for a company is a high priced commodity, EA and BW will be paying through the nose now for their past "exploits". The cash shop model is here to stay, you might as well accept that right now or you will be even more disspointed from here on in. NCsoft will make attempts at exploiting the cash shop, but they will weight that risk against the cost benefits, and the more damaged their reputation and or product is from the consumers reaction, the less likely they will take that next gamble.
The cupcake, plus the recent poo award, were a PR nightmare for EA. It won't shut them down, but they will be spending a lot of cash to try to rebuild their image. Just like NCsoft was testing the waters with the cash shop items in the GW2 beta, as soon as they saw the uproar, the pulled some of those items real quick. Not because they wouldnt make money, but becasue the costs to reputation and future sales would diminish those returns.
NcSoft is more then just the publisher, they own ANet and thus can force them to do whatever they want.
I'm just glad they are catering to people like me rather than people like you. I have no sympathy for your sad attachment to an archaic business model. Luckily for you, there are still many games willing to charge you a mothly tithe for the privilege of their service. Go to them. You and your wallet will be most welcome.
Look, seriously, cash shops and subs both have the same impact on a dev.. they both require you to be in game to keep the money rolling in and that means retaining you with an ongoing quality, fun, and/ or compelling service.
Ofc players have value to them after they buy the box, even those that don't use the shop, because one day they MIGHT (and probably will) use the shop. They can't sell you stuff if you uninstall their game.
And the continued P2W assertion... I won't even bother debating with you why you are wrong, because it's been said before and it's obvious that you aren't interested in a sensible conversation about it.
TBH, this looks like just another trash thread to demonise ANet and kill enthusiasm for this game. Whether it's professionally motivated or not I will leave to others to decide.
To win you must first compete. If you are not competing in any way nothing will be P2W. It makes no difference what they sell in the CS in that case. You will not think its P2W anyway.
So its pointless to try to determine if the game is P2W or not. And this is true for any game with a CS.
But based on available info they will sell advantages. You dont have to buy them. But you can...
Well the only think I may want from the cash shop are skins, and because the PvP is skill based not gear, I don't really care what they sell in the cash shop at this point... FPS games cosh the same as GW2 or even more and I play them for a week, I'm pretty sure I will be playing GW2 for longer than that.
It's a game not a house ''IF'' it isn't worth it at all what u may lose? $60? come on....
Agreed. And, that aside, I think most posters here underestimate the influence the publisher has on game design in general in this industry.
Trying to seperate NCSoft from ANet is like trying to seperate Bioware from EA. Some fans might try to, because they find the connection uncomfortable, but they are fundamentally the same thing when it comes to the making of money.
Luckily, I don't mind NCSoft for the most part so I don't carry that baggage, even though they have made serious blunders in the past.
This is because you haven't adopted the role of perpetual victim. Once you do that, you will find a treasure trove of things to complain long and hard about.
To know whether or not it is "P2W", the competitions of interest need to be defined.
For many people, PvP is the only competition of interest. Structured PvP is definitely not P2W since it puts every participant on an equal ground skill, gear and traitwise. As for World vs World: we know that there are certain buffs that can be gained through buying influence through gold, which can be gained through item mall currency; however, we do not know how hard or easy it will be for guilds to grind to gain the same buffs. If it is a matter of weeks or even months of grind required to catch-up to the spenders, and the difference if buff-power is significant, then it can be considered to be pay-to-win.
Nevertheless, for many people, PvP is not the only competition of interest. The are other types of competitions which may interest people: PvE-related competitions, vanity, wealth, crafting, etc.
For vanity and wealth: depending on the form of those competitions, they are definitely pay-to-win.
^ Doesn't understand who makes the rules.
i'm rich and i dont care.
They can have my $80 for the digital deluxe edition; I know I will get that much and more out of the purchase.
What does it mean to "win" in a MMO anyhow? I'm here to have some fun. Everything normalizes at the level cap to some extent anyhow.
The simple fact of the matter is these posts and arguments have no merit. This isnt some Bioware/EA company that has lied every step of the way through development. This isn't Blizzard who lies straight faced to you while raping you from behind with a cactus. This is Arenanet. This is a company who has always kept there word since the very conception of the company. The same Arenanet who has had a Cashshop in their last B2P title for over 6 years now that never even considered a need to go P2Win.
At this point all evidence points to Arenanet being completely honest and having always done right by their customers. All evidence says that they will not turn this game B2Win, but there is still a few anti-GW2 Zealots out there who are on their holy crusade to smear a game and a game company that they fear. A company who has been so completely good to its customers it gives them nightmares in their sleep of a day when they and their "precious game" are completely obsolete because no other company can even begin to look as good and as willing to please in comparison.
I've never supported Cash Shops as a way to sustain a product. It almost always turns into some form of P2W or P2W-Lite.
Look at World of Tanks. Their developers SWORE up & down during beta that their cash shop wouldn't have any P2W products within it. However, here we are more than a year after release and GOLD AMMO (gives more penetration per round vs armor) remains the single most unbalancing products within their Cash Shop. Seriously, when a Tiger can kill an is-4 1v1 because the Tiger is using gold ammo that's a little retarded, but I digress from WoT.
I've never seen a cash shop done right so far, and that's primarily due to Publisher greed forcing the developers into a certain position. Remember one thing if nothing else, a company such as NCSoft are funding the development of GW2 to do one thing....MAKE MONEY. Do you honestly think that if something REALLY nice (like P2W hourly XP boosts) isn't going to be put into the Cash Shop to make money for that company? They aren't making this game FOR YOU afterall. They're doing it to turn a profit. Cash Shops, unless P2W centric, generally do not make much money compared to a standard sub model. Granted, if your game is terrible to begin with a Cash Shop will be more profitable than a standard sub, but if they actually tried to begin with the sub model of even 250,000 players would be far more profitable than a Cash Shop.
Look at Blizzard, do you REALLY think that if Cash Shops were more profitable they would have kept a standard sub fee for this long? Hell, the only thing they sell in THEIR cash shop (BS btw to have a Cash Shop in a sub game) is pretty much mounts that look pretty. Even that isn't generating them a lot of revenue, and in fact is just another way to pad the pockets of the senior execs in EA-Blizzard.
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Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
LOL u don't need to be rich, you just need a job and then spend the money on whatever you want.
See my post above yours.
Well the gold ammo was always there since I played WoT form the beta until now form time to time. And why do you compared a F2P game with a B2P game? the only incoming of WoT for example is from the cash shop, etc...
What about Guild Wars 1?
They had a cash shop for many years - and still do. And it never turned into "pay to win". So clearly it CAN be done... don't you think?
And the great news is, the same company that ran the cash shop in GW1 is doing GW2!
As long where living in a capatialistic world they will do whatever it takes to get your money if its p2w they go for it. And with stiff competions also from tablets and smartphones to survive they sell there soul to the devil to get some cash.
YOU the customer have the power to stop this DONT buy and they change but if you buy(many do) dont come here complaining about cashshops.
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As far as I know, Guild Wars 1 never allowed item mall currency to be traded for ingame currency which could be used in the auction. By allowing that in Guild Wars 2, competitions regarding wealth, vanity and crafting become Pay-to-Win depending on the form of those competitions. Keep in mind that PvP is not necessarily the only competition people care about.