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  • SlampigSlampig Member UncommonPosts: 2,342

    Originally posted by Nadia

    this was the same article posted here yesterday

    http://startupgrind.com/2012/04/exclusive-electronic-arts-set-to-lay-off-500-employees/

    EA is denying it but time will tell

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/ea-denies-rumored-layoffs-claims-business-as-usual/

     

     

     

    Awesome misleading thread title. I don't understand why you all can't wait until it is official instead of posting BS threads like this one...

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  • TwwIXTwwIX Member Posts: 203

    Originally posted by Slampig

    Originally posted by Nadia

    this was the same article posted here yesterday

    http://startupgrind.com/2012/04/exclusive-electronic-arts-set-to-lay-off-500-employees/

    EA is denying it but time will tell

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/ea-denies-rumored-layoffs-claims-business-as-usual/

     

     

     

    Awesome misleading thread title. I don't understand why you all can't wait until it is official instead of posting BS threads like this one...

    Hahaha! Like they're going to admit the failure of their games. EA, of all people? Hahahaha!

  • Sith2112Sith2112 Member UncommonPosts: 43

    Originally posted by Ecoces

    Originally posted by Fadedbomb



    Here's hoping that the industry crushes SWTOR, and the linear WoW model, into oblivion so that future MMOs are actually half decent :D!

     

     

    I can dream can't i   :s?

     

     

     

    so you're happy that 1000 people got laid off because a company didn't make a game that you like? thats real nice of you. geez i mean i understand people are haters and all that but i didn't think people would actually be happy about people losing their jobs so they (the haters) can pat themselves on the back and offer this as proof that they were right.

    This - on so many levels...

    Haters are happy and people with a sense of common decency are concerned about the folks being impacted.

    nuf said.

  • TwwIXTwwIX Member Posts: 203

    Originally posted by Sith2112

    Originally posted by Ecoces


    Originally posted by Fadedbomb



    Here's hoping that the industry crushes SWTOR, and the linear WoW model, into oblivion so that future MMOs are actually half decent :D!

     

     

    I can dream can't i   :s?

     

     

     

    so you're happy that 1000 people got laid off because a company didn't make a game that you like? thats real nice of you. geez i mean i understand people are haters and all that but i didn't think people would actually be happy about people losing their jobs so they (the haters) can pat themselves on the back and offer this as proof that they were right.

    This - on so many levels...

    Haters are happy and people with a sense of common decency are concerned about the folks being impacted.

    nuf said.

     

    Why should he be concerned about them? He's not responsible for their job loss. They chose to associate themselves with a shitty company like EA. They've got nobody but themselves and their employer to blame for their sacking. This isn't the first time EA has done this nor is it the last. So, get off your high horse already.

  • NasherUKNasherUK Member UncommonPosts: 480

    Originally posted by Boatsmate

    Sounds like they are punishing the poor saps at the bottom who probably do all the heavy lifting and know what they are doing , and ignoring the blithering idiots at the top who actually make the bad decisions. The result is that nothing changes. Except morale.

    This is EXACTLY the problem in most companies where stuff goes wrong.  Crap managers lay off the hard working staff, then move on to screw up something else.  Seen it so many times :/

     

    Anyway, the population on my server appears to have almost doubled since 1.2.  The fleet is packed during peak times like it was at launch and we've had way over 100 people in the starting zones recently.  Most likely they hired far to much people to start with, again, bad management at EA.

  • dontadowdontadow Member UncommonPosts: 1,005

    Originally posted by paulytheb

    http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-laying-off-up-to-1000-report-6371851

     

    an excerpt from the article ~

     

    The story is written by former EA employee and Burnout franchise product manager Derek Andersen and cites multiple sources within the company for the news. Andersen pointed to a variety of contributing factors for the cuts, noting that the massively multiplayer online role-playing game Star Wars: The Old Republic did not meet internal sales estimates and is facing declining subscription numbers.

     

     

     

    EDIT **  My apologies if this was a repost. I missed the other thread. I thought this was new news.  Again, my apologies.  **

    Taht sucks, I hate EA.  

    They ahve screwed up so many things I loved.

    Madden - they took away other developers making football games.  I use to lve the competition between madden and gameday or madden and joe montana or the sega products

    Burnout - Burnout was such a fun arcade racer.  There was no better puzzle game that combined mayhem with tactis than the burnout mode in that game.  

    SWTOR - this game needed another year of testing. Actual "game design", not story, didn't take place or was redeveloped when EA bought bioware in 2008. We got a game rushed to market to get in by christmas that is just enough to satisfy a handful of folk but not enough to keep subscribers and breakaway as a next generation game.  Most of the budget went into  

  • Axllow18Axllow18 Member UncommonPosts: 400

    Originally posted by Sith2112

    Originally posted by TwwIX


    Originally posted by Sith2112


    Originally posted by Ecoces


    Originally posted by Fadedbomb



    Here's hoping that the industry crushes SWTOR, and the linear WoW model, into oblivion so that future MMOs are actually half decent :D!

     

     

    I can dream can't i   :s?

     

     

     

    so you're happy that 1000 people got laid off because a company didn't make a game that you like? thats real nice of you. geez i mean i understand people are haters and all that but i didn't think people would actually be happy about people losing their jobs so they (the haters) can pat themselves on the back and offer this as proof that they were right.

    This - on so many levels...

    Haters are happy and people with a sense of common decency are concerned about the folks being impacted.

    nuf said.

     

    Why should he be concerned about them? He's not responsible for their job loss. They chose to associate themselves with a shitty company like EA. They've got nobody but themselves and their employer to blame for their sacking. This isn't the first time EA has done this nor is it the last. So, get off your high horse already.

    [Mod Edit]

    The people who lost their jobs were well aware of what they were getting into when they made the choice to work for EA.

    I hate to be so straight forward about it, but that is all there is to it. Since starting college myself for Game Art I have heard from not just other students, but also counselors and even teachers about the way EA and Activision as well as several others tend to kick employees to the curb with not a second thought. There are places in the industry that are notorious for the poor treatment of employees, and EA happens to be at the top of the list and has been for years. (Did you not even hear about the EA Spouse business?)

    Considering the way EA treats its employees and the kind of reputation they have for it in the industry, you would have to be either extremely dense or just plain stupid to take a job at EA and not keep other options open.

  • NaughtyPNaughtyP Member UncommonPosts: 793

    It's an industry where "business 101 man" makes the decisions and the hardworking brains of the operation are chewed up and spit out at their leisure. Actually, that's the case for a lot of IT/software-related jobs I would say. The words "job satisfaction" are a mystery to me... lol.

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  • TwwIXTwwIX Member Posts: 203

    Originally posted by Sith2112

    Originally posted by TwwIX


    Originally posted by Sith2112


    Originally posted by Ecoces


    Originally posted by Fadedbomb



    Here's hoping that the industry crushes SWTOR, and the linear WoW model, into oblivion so that future MMOs are actually half decent :D!

     

     

    I can dream can't i   :s?

     

     

     

    so you're happy that 1000 people got laid off because a company didn't make a game that you like? thats real nice of you. geez i mean i understand people are haters and all that but i didn't think people would actually be happy about people losing their jobs so they (the haters) can pat themselves on the back and offer this as proof that they were right.

    This - on so many levels...

    Haters are happy and people with a sense of common decency are concerned about the folks being impacted.

    nuf said.

     

    Why should he be concerned about them? He's not responsible for their job loss. They chose to associate themselves with a shitty company like EA. They've got nobody but themselves and their employer to blame for their sacking. This isn't the first time EA has done this nor is it the last. So, get off your high horse already.

    lol - spoken like a true self entitled moron.

    I guess you out witted me.. 

    good one.

     

    edit - Actually let me rephrase that - a true uneducated self entitled moron. - yeah that sounds more like it.

    How am i being self entitled? Do you even know the meaning of that or do you just starting using internet buzzwords whenever you go into rage mode?

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Member Posts: 6,403

    Originally posted by NaughtyP

    The words "job satisfaction" are a mystery to me... lol.

    "This job 'fulfilling in creative way', such a load of crap."  --code monkey

    No worries, the seven-figure guys get canned for lots of things beyond their control too..it just takes longer for Karma to catch up.

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  • dontadowdontadow Member UncommonPosts: 1,005

    Originally posted by Icewhite

    Originally posted by NaughtyP

    The words "job satisfaction" are a mystery to me... lol.

    "This job 'fulfilling in creative way', such a load of crap."  --code monkey

    No worries, the seven-figure guys get canned for lots of things beyond their control too..it just takes longer for Karma to catch up.

    Unfortunately golden parachutes are not like unemployment. 

  • slicknslim88slicknslim88 Member Posts: 394

    yeah like what most people have said in this thread already, this seems like a management issue.  They counted their chickens before they hatched basically.  Misinterpreted how SWTOR would do.  They should have known that gamers would see their WoW clone game as a lazy attempt at milking the Star Wars franchise for as much as it's seemingly worth.  Seems like they estimated it's worth far too much.

    And because the suits did that, the little guys who worked on the game get to pay for it with their jobs.  I have to say that EA has had this coming, hopefully Capcom, and Activision are next.  Maybe this will make way for gaming companies that actually care about their customer base like Arenanet and Runic Games.

  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157

    It is sad to say but I think that SWTOR will be going F2P reguardless of their patch SWTOR already has dying reputation and when I returned to give the game another try on the trial I didn't see many changes that wanted to keep me there let alone what I am hearing about the game now.

    SWTOR could have been a great game, I know this is a bit off topic but I remember back in the day when Red Alert, and Red Alert2 were around those were the days when these games were great, however then CNC Generals Came out, and all these other games and all of a sudden I noticed how EA started to decline from Mass Effect 3 to SWTOR, and everything in between.

    I would like to see SWTOR as a very good game, however I do not think that is possible unless the developers of the game all get on the ball work together add a ton of customization that should have been in the game to begin with and such otherwise the game is done for and I believe in the future this game will loose more subscribers more than likely on the release of Tera Online, Guild Wars 2, even FireFall, right now some people might think FireFall sucks, however it is being improved still in beta, and will more than likely beat SWTOR as in the end you are doing nothing but killing mobs grinding quests and while FireFall for example is just a shooter in the end thati s all SWTOR is is click Skill A B C D do damage or heal, nothing amazing nothing ground breaking.

    I don't like saying this but if you ever watched the show on television called Stupid In America, that is what I see We need game designers that can give people what they want. For example back between the early years of I would say up until 2005 we had game artists and designers that actually knew how to design and did a better Job, then came the F2P industry and all these games released being run by game companies and management that doesn't know what they are doing like I know it can be hard work to develop and design a game I don't expect it to be perfect but I expect it to improve over time and have decent features on release.

    I hope that SWTOR will improve because the way I see it EA is loosing money they are going to have to regain that money some how for the mistakes they made so maybe clearing house isn't such a bad idea find new people who can design and make a game better.

  • wrekognizewrekognize Member UncommonPosts: 388

    You can't buy creativity. EA tried.

  • AlbredAlbred Member UncommonPosts: 48

    The only way for EA to bounce back from this is to not be a publisher for The Secret World, remove Origin from existence, and NEVER put an Online Pass Requirement for EA published PS3 games.

     

    ^QFT

  • FadedbombFadedbomb Member Posts: 2,081

    Originally posted by Axllow18

    Originally posted by Sith2112


    Originally posted by TwwIX


    Originally posted by Sith2112


    Originally posted by Ecoces


    Originally posted by Fadedbomb



    Here's hoping that the industry crushes SWTOR, and the linear WoW model, into oblivion so that future MMOs are actually half decent :D!

     

     

    I can dream can't i   :s?

     

     

     

    so you're happy that 1000 people got laid off because a company didn't make a game that you like? thats real nice of you. geez i mean i understand people are haters and all that but i didn't think people would actually be happy about people losing their jobs so they (the haters) can pat themselves on the back and offer this as proof that they were right.

    This - on so many levels...

    Haters are happy and people with a sense of common decency are concerned about the folks being impacted.

    nuf said.

     

    Why should he be concerned about them? He's not responsible for their job loss. They chose to associate themselves with a shitty company like EA. They've got nobody but themselves and their employer to blame for their sacking. This isn't the first time EA has done this nor is it the last. So, get off your high horse already.

    [Mod Edit]

    The people who lost their jobs were well aware of what they were getting into when they made the choice to work for EA.

    I hate to be so straight forward about it, but that is all there is to it. Since starting college myself for Game Art I have heard from not just other students, but also counselors and even teachers about the way EA and Activision as well as several others tend to kick employees to the curb with not a second thought. There are places in the industry that are notorious for the poor treatment of employees, and EA happens to be at the top of the list and has been for years. (Did you not even hear about the EA Spouse business?)

    Considering the way EA treats its employees and the kind of reputation they have for it in the industry, you would have to be either extremely dense or just plain stupid to take a job at EA and not keep other options open.

    This^

     

    The people working for EA knew how bad of a company EA was, and kept working for them because it was a JOB earning MONEY. At no point should it be considered "ok" to keep supporting a horrible company such as EA. They beat out Bank of America as one of the WORST companies of 2011 for heavens sake! 

    It's called a "Free Market" people. When a BAD company makes BAD decisions they start to feel those decisions, and when push comes to shove that very same BAD company will lay people off to keep the higher-up suits in their nice fluffy jobs until the investors start crying foul.

     

     Sure, I feel bad when anyone's livelyhood is threatened by a layoff, but for heavens sake people it's a business. If EA continues on its current path it'll be 10 to 100 x larger than just 1000. Did you ever stop to think that there is an "MMO Bubble" that companies like EA & Blizzard are inflating only to pop some time soon causing MMOs to completely spiral down into the pits of hell causing countless layoffs in our market? No, you didn't.

     

    SWTOR being crushed into oblivion & REAL hard work put into newer products is what the market needs, and is what will generate more jobs! 

     

    At the end of the day, a BAD company laying people off for the decisions of the company's suits is on those very same few whom caused the layoffs. I'd feel bad if it were MY fault, but it's not now is it?

     

    tldr;

    YES I feel GOOD that EA is feeling the pains of making horrible business decisions, and consumers are biting back

    NO, it's never a "nice" thing when people get laid off, but there are bigger things out there than simply 1000 jobs.

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  • ArkiniaArkinia Member Posts: 251

    I have to laugh at all the MBA's from Wharton on MMORPG with your astute finacial advice based on hearsay and loathing of a game. I'm surprised EA doesn't come here for their quarterly analysis. I'm sure after this "suposed" financial calamity, they'll be quite fine.

  • dageezadageeza Member Posts: 578

    I wonder if EA and fudgecom are still ready and willing to push TSW out the door half finished and send funcom into bankrupcy?

    I feel for the people that lost their jobs but i also feel for the gamers that threw their money and hopes away on one of these overhyped under produced products..

    EA is a seriously dishonest and untrustworthy mmo game publisher and the gig is about up..

    This company needs to either get out of the mmo business now or make some serious changes in management and policy alike..

     

    Playing GW2..

  • BigLuvinBigLuvin Member Posts: 11

    Maybe the people who lost their jobs are glad to move on to a better company.  I used to work for Circuit Shitty and I was actually quite happy when it tanked due to the horrible management and the way they treated their customers.  Hopefully these people can find a better work environment.

  • DragonantisDragonantis Member UncommonPosts: 974

    EA does try hard to improve their image, but I think its gone a bit to far, most people have lost faith im EA over the questionable choices they have made over the past couple of years.

    I hope those 1000 people arnt hurt by this layoff, no one likes to see this sort of headline for any company :(

  • dubyahitedubyahite Member UncommonPosts: 2,483
    Some people are getting exactly what they have been wishing for around here, nevermind that it affects real life people whose lives are now turned upside down.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by Fadedbomb

    How many months is this now since SWTOR has been out? Hmm, seems to be coming a BIT short on my 6month prediction that SWTOR would start bleeding numbers enough to show financially.

     

    My predictions aside, I would have thought at least a MINIMUM of 3 diehard Bioware fans would have come in here by now to explain it away as "Natural market fluxuations" or something to that effect.

     

    Bottom line is that even EA internals figures & numbers are trouncing all over apparent "wild" speculatorial numbers. 1,000 jobs is something you can't really afford to lose when your game has such high up-keep as SWTOR's "Voice Over" quest design has.

     

    Here's hoping that the industry crushes SWTOR, and the linear WoW model, into oblivion so that future MMOs are actually half decent :D!

     

     

    I can dream can't i   :s?

     

     

    [edit]: Forgot to mention that outsourcing to Asia for programmers is nothing new. When Bioware was first bought by EA they moved a good portion of their programming dev centres to Asia. Where do you think Origin & BattleLog for Bf3 were developed? They were outsourced to Asia. I thought this was common knowledge :x?

    This post really points to the real problem here. You're essentially seeking retribution over a type of game you don't like. That's all this boils down to. The people who made the decision to make a game like this are not going to be victims of that retribution.

    This isn't a representation of capitalism, it's one of sadism.

    Those saying these employees asked for this are sadistic individuals who get their jollies off seeing the hardships of others. Over something as trivial as a game genre. Lot's of blocking to be had in this thread.

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  • MephsterMephster Member Posts: 1,188

    They should have stuck with sports games. Ever since they got their hands on mmos it has been a down hill process for them as well as a black eye for the mmo industry. Yeah they will hire over in Asia because it is cheaper labor over their with no benefits not to mention there is no economy in the US anymore. You are either rich or poor here, there is no inbetween anymore.

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  • IncomparableIncomparable Member UncommonPosts: 1,138

     

    If there are problems with the staff not being competent enough it could be due to the field they are working is actually unhealthy.

    A healthy body is a healthy mind.

    Im sure EA, and the branches of video gaming companies are aware of good ergonomics, and general good work practises like meeting deadlines and organizations skills... but thats not enough.

    Sitting on a chair all day to work, and then sitting on a chair to play video games will have negative effects on the body.

    EA cant control what happens out of thier company on off hours, but at least during the work hours they can help to create an atmosphere that reduces the stress and damage on the human body by sittin on a chair all day. Its not just proper stretches but actual cardiovascular exercise.

    Some people are different, and they can handle different amounts of stress, but if the company is facing a problem with the staff having certain issues by not excelling in a field they have passed in it could be due to several reasons that they need to do mroe cardiovascualr exercises, better ergonomics or have a healthier lifestyle out of work like not doing drugs.

    Im not saying people are drug addicts but with popular culture and the ease of access its very easy for people in the entertainment industry to dabble with such things. Which might mean also a strong anti drug policy from EA.

    Drugs are so popular that I have heard a million times that marijuana is not bad, that I was about to say well except marijuana, becuase you know maybe the entertainers need some fun... but thats the problem marijuana destroys the mind, since its affects the logic of the brain. Our brain is logic. And logic is math. These games are all math, and logic. So even marijuana. We have to be honest, marijuna is only useful for medical reasons. Recreationally its destroying peoples potential. This culture that drugs are cool is also making it too influential as well for people to try it which may begin a downwaqrd spiral. A culture brings us down trying to be 'cool'.

    I am part of that culture btw. That is my identity. I listen to the same music, and watch the same T.V.. However, I am finally grown up. If I were a kid, growing up, then peer pressure would be a lot more effective. Which is why parenting is important, and EA should act like a parent to its emplyees. See, I was gonna make a point... I did not go into a complete rant. EA should act like a parent to its employee and be aware of the actual problems... and act on it.

        

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  • MajinashMajinash Member Posts: 1,320

    Originally posted by Boatsmate

    Sounds like they are punishing the poor saps at the bottom who probably do all the heavy lifting and know what they are doing , and ignoring the blithering idiots at the top who actually make the bad decisions. The result is that nothing changes. Except morale.

    I see this so often... so depressing.

    Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.

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