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Upgrading my SSD

SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020

I'm wanting to buy a new SSD for my computer, the one i have worked perfectly no issues or anything, its just i only had enough money to get a 64gb one(also got a 2 tb hdd). Now that new games are coming out this year, i'm likely to be playing more than one and some(TERA) take up to 30gigs alone so...i need more space on my ssd. I'm looking into getting a 128gb, i was going to get a 256gb but a friend pointed out to me how quickly prices are dropping so i'm getting a 128, now the question i have is this.

 

Whats the difference between these 2 aside from one has a transferkit, and why is theone with the transferkit cheaper than the one without?

with transferkit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148448

no transferkit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442

 

Also just a last question, someone told me to not even bother putting the full game on an ssd, that i should put it on my hdd, and just put any addons i get for the game on the ssd. Is that a smart idea? Or would it just be best(as far as performance/loading time in game) if i should put the whole thing on the ssd?

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383

    No difference between the two. The transfer kit version is probably just cheaper for the moment because of some promotional effort; the drives are identical. I have several of these in place at work, and they are nice drives. Just make sure to flash them to Firmware 0309 if they don't have it pre-installed.

    With regard to game installation - there are ways to split up games such that one part lives on one drive and another on another; however, it's a colossal PITA to set up and maintain, and for the size that just add-ons and the like take (few dozen megabytes, less than 1G), you could just make a RAM drive and be even faster than an SSD if your going to go to the huge trouble of setting up symlinks (mklink) for various subdirectories inside of your games.

    Here's a HowTo that talks about transferring Steam games - it would work the same for subdirectories inside of any game installation:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262456-32-guide-transfer-steam-games

    That said, I don't recommend it. It can be made to work, but it's a chore, and your game needs access to all the files there at some point or another - not just the addons, so you wouldn't be getting the full effect of an SSD if you didn't get the most commonly used files on the SSD.

  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020

    ahh i see, well thanks for the input, i'll be getting the cheaper one with the transferkit then. i dont know about flashing to the 0309 but im sure i'll be able to google a how to on getting that done. but how would i know if it was already pre-installed or not?

    and as for the games i think i'll just do things the simple way and just have the whole game on the ssd and be done with it, i figure i'm likely to just keep my 64gb so between the 2 thats plenty of room for any and all games i ever want to play for some years

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499

    There will be a sticker on the SSD itself that gives the firmware version.  0309 isn't the newest anymore, so if you have to update it, then you might as well update it to the newest version.  The problem with 0009 or earlier is that it has a firmware glitch that will start causing blue screens after about 5000 hours of use.  The only difference between 0009 and 0309 is that they fixed that glitch.  If you've got 0309 or later, I'd just leave it at that and not bother updating it to something newer.

  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020

    Originally posted by Quizzical

    There will be a sticker on the SSD itself that gives the firmware version.  0309 isn't the newest anymore, so if you have to update it, then you might as well update it to the newest version.  The problem with 0009 or earlier is that it has a firmware glitch that will start causing blue screens after about 5000 hours of use.  The only difference between 0009 and 0309 is that they fixed that glitch.  If you've got 0309 or later, I'd just leave it at that and not bother updating it to something newer.

    i was reading about that in newegg's comments on the ssd i was buying, how can i check what firmware my ssd is without taking it out of my computer? cause i wanna know if the one that i bought last year is 0309 or not so i can update it before it reaches 5000 hours since i'm gonna keep that one.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499

    If you bought a Crucial M4 last year, then you need to update the firmware.  The 0309 firmware didn't release until January, as the glitch wasn't discovered until shortly before then.  The nasty thing about glitches that don't have any effects until over 5000 hours of use is that they take a while to find.

    If it's some other SSD and not a Crucial M4, then it doesn't have that particular firmware glitch.  It might have other bugs, but not that particular one.

  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383


    Originally posted by Sephiroso

    Originally posted by Quizzical
    There will be a sticker on the SSD itself that gives the firmware version.  0309 isn't the newest anymore, so if you have to update it, then you might as well update it to the newest version.  The problem with 0009 or earlier is that it has a firmware glitch that will start causing blue screens after about 5000 hours of use.  The only difference between 0009 and 0309 is that they fixed that glitch.  If you've got 0309 or later, I'd just leave it at that and not bother updating it to something newer.
    i was reading about that in newegg's comments on the ssd i was buying, how can i check what firmware my ssd is without taking it out of my computer? cause i wanna know if the one that i bought last year is 0309 or not so i can update it before it reaches 5000 hours since i'm gonna keep that one.

    http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Drives-SSD/How-to-check-firmware-revision-of-Crucial-M4/td-p/74870

    It's available in the driver properties in Device Manager

  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020

    crap, i need to apply the update. last question, and im pretty sure i know the answer but. doing this will wipe the drive wont it?

     

    if so, if i just copy/paste everything to my hdd, and do it, then copy paste everything back afterwards, will that cause any issues?

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383


    Originally posted by Sephiroso
    crap, i need to apply the update. last question, and im pretty sure i know the answer but. doing this will wipe the drive wont it?
     
    if so, if i just copy/paste everything to my hdd, and do it, then copy paste everything back afterwards, will that cause any issues?

    Typically no, I've done firmware updates on M4's with data intact. But the standard "YMMV" and "make sure you have good backups" really apply.

    Copy&Paste works for basic files, but if the SSD is your boot drive, Windows has to do some special magic boot stuff to make it bootable once more. For most people, it's easier to just reinstall/recover Windows, then paste their files for their programs and data back over. Odds are, you won't need to do this anyway.

  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020

    Originally posted by Ridelynn

     




    Originally posted by Sephiroso

    crap, i need to apply the update. last question, and im pretty sure i know the answer but. doing this will wipe the drive wont it?

     

    if so, if i just copy/paste everything to my hdd, and do it, then copy paste everything back afterwards, will that cause any issues?




     

    Typically no, I've done firmware updates on M4's with data intact. But the standard "YMMV" and "make sure you have good backups" really apply.

    Copy&Paste works for basic files, but if the SSD is your boot drive, Windows has to do some special magic boot stuff to make it bootable once more. For most people, it's easier to just reinstall/recover Windows, then paste their files for their programs and data back over. Odds are, you won't need to do this anyway.

    sweet then, i'll save my programs and docs then and go ahead and do the update, either way i still have my windows disc so it'll be fine, just dont wanna go through the trouble with installing windows all over again. thanks for the help, specially about the glitch, i thought that was just people exaggerating/regurgitating what others said when theirs just got fried or something.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499

    Some firmware updates wipe the drive and some don't.  Sometimes you can update directly from one version to a version that is several later and sometimes you can't.  Check the update notes on whatever update you're trying to apply.

    The update from 0009 to 0309 was non-destructive, as all it did was fix the blue screen glitch.  There's a decent chance that it was nothing more than a typo in the firmware source code.

  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020

    Its me again, i finally had some free time and to apply the firmware update to my 64gb ssd i bought last year, well i downloaded the update and ran it, it restarted my computer and was supposed to begin the update, then once finished would load windows up.

     

    well after it restarted the computer, the update never booted, and it just went right back to windows. i'm not really sure what happened, i looked in the trouble shoot in the guide and it said to make sure bios had no password, i did and it doesn't, i never set any OS encryption either.

     

    any ideas why the update isn't starting? i never set up raid mode, or anything else that i saw in the troubleshoot guide.

     

    the ssd i'm trying to update is right below. the update version(checked from device manager) is 0001, i checked after the application i started restarted my computer and loaded windows back up and its still 0001. and the website said that i could update from 0001 to 000f(newer version than 0309) in one go so im at a loss.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441

     

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383

    Good question.

    Did you try the stand-alone Manual Boot file on a CD or thumb drive?

  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020

    i just went ahead and did the manual boot with a usb drive and it did the trick. not sure why the automatic application didnt work but i got version 000f on the old one, and i verified that the one i bought last week is 0309 so im good now.

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  • indojabijinindojabijin Member UncommonPosts: 97

    Originally posted by Sephiroso

    i just went ahead and did the manual boot with a usb drive and it did the trick. not sure why the automatic application didnt work but i got version 000f on the old one, and i verified that the one i bought last week is 0309 so im good now.

    The .exe to update the firmware requires several things: it has to be saved in the desktop, you have to be running Windows in IDE mode, and you need the SSD to be running on a intel sata port, not a marvel one.

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