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BHS/EME fights back at NCsoft

KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,605

http://www.enmasse.com/blog/posts/bluehole-studio-not-guilty-in-trial

Bluehole Studio, Creator of TERA, NOT Guilty in Criminal Trial


Over the last couple of years, we've been working to release TERA. We're close to getting the job done right, as TERA closed beta test players can attest. But since February, we've been subjected to entirely too much innuendo related to a lawsuit filed against our startup by NCsoft in the United States—a suit that seems designed to disrupt the launch of TERA in North America. The latest round of that innuendo even goes so far as to try to drag in a separate case that was brought in Korea not against Bluehole, but against certain former employees of NCSoft.


In the event you've read the court filings here in the US, you'll find that they're remarkably easy to read for legal documents; they certainly appear to have been written with an eye toward public opinion. NCsoft is a billion-plus dollar corporation, so they can afford to have a team of high-priced lawyers spin out reasonable-sounding documents. These baseless accusations have led to unfounded rumors, which is disappointing and unfair. But that doesn’t mean the rumors are true.


It is no surprise that the latest spin on the story has it that "TERA is guilty." That is wrong. For the record, after extensive Korean proceedings, Bluehole Studio was NOT found to have made any use of any NCsoft trade secrets in the form of source code or game design. In fact, TERA didn’t even exist when the Korean case against the former NCsoft employees arose, and neither did En Masse Entertainment. In Korean civil proceedings, Bluehole was also found NOT to have been responsible for the exodus of NCsoft developers.


What is a fact: If you're a legal scholar, you'll note that NCsoft hasn't filed a motion (known as an injunction) here in the US to prevent the launch of TERA. That's kind of surprising, because their legal documents originally said they would supposedly suffer grievous harm if TERA is launched.

Another fact: If you read NCsoft’s complaint, they actually admit that their motive in bringing the suit is to prevent Bluehole and En Masse from competing with them: "Since the release of TERA in Korea, NCsoft's Lineage sales and market share have declined, as have sales and market share of other NCsoft products."


To our fans and followers, we want to let you all know that we are not going to let a corporate bully or baseless rumor mill derail us from focusing our efforts on delivering TERA to you on May 1, 2012.

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  • AzmodaiAzmodai Member UncommonPosts: 154

    This is great news, I kinda already knew about most of it but its good that they finally addressed it. Nice try Scumbag NCsoft  :).

     

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  • KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,605

    This confirms exactly what I said in this post...

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/477/view/forums/thread/347293/Korean-Supreme-Court-lay-charges.html


    All these other sites from :


    Massively


    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/04/17/korean-court-confirms-guilty-verdict-in-tera-criminal-trial/


    MMO Site


    http://news.mmosite.com/content/c/2012-04-17/korean_supreme_court_confirms_guilty_verdict_in_tera_criminal_trial.shtml


    MMO culture


    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/former-ncsoft-staff-jailed-for-lineage.html


    All these sites have twisted the truth to make it sound like TERA was in trouble. Some have even flat out lied to the public. These sites showed their true colors.

  • HimemiyaHimemiya Member Posts: 139
    Is anyone surprised NC$oft would go through such lengths?
    It's their own fault they dropped the ball big time with EN-AION.

    L2P TERA combat:

  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Member Posts: 1,136

    Good for them, I'm glad the truth is getting out there.  NC srill messed up in their man way of messing with TERA but that opinion is for a different time and place.  Thanks for the good news Kuma!

    Just not worth my time anymore.

  • KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,605

    Thanks I fixed the link !

  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Member Posts: 1,136

    Thank you for the follow up info as well.  I wonder where the disconnect was with all of those sites?  Besides one being a complete joke sites like MMORPG.com Massively and are huge (/rimshot).  Where were they getting their information from I wonder...

    Edit: I seen where the original Korean news came from.  It's sad that it ended up this way.

    Just not worth my time anymore.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Originally posted by saurus123

    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

    How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Member Posts: 1,136

    Originally posted by saurus123

    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

     

     

     I know, hilarious right?

    Just not worth my time anymore.

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Originally posted by saurus123

    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

    How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

    Not sure, seems like hes really mad he can't play the NA version so hes mad about anything he can be mad about.

  • L3nnyGpL3nnyGp Member UncommonPosts: 153

    I'm glad this finally came out, great News for EME!

    It's a shame what NCsoft went to great lengths to accomplish, for the devs at EME "What doesn't kill you, will only make you stronger!" 

    Woo Hoo TERA today!

  • NaqajNaqaj Member UncommonPosts: 1,673

    Originally posted by Kumapon

    All these other sites from :



    Massively



    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/04/17/korean-court-confirms-guilty-verdict-in-tera-criminal-trial/



    MMO Site



    http://news.mmosite.com/content/c/2012-04-17/korean_supreme_court_confirms_guilty_verdict_in_tera_criminal_trial.shtml



    MMO culture



    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/former-ncsoft-staff-jailed-for-lineage.html



    All these sites have twisted the truth to make it sound like TERA was in trouble. Some have even flat out lied to the public. These sites showed their true colors.

    You guys really need to lay off that "Everyone against us" paranoia. All 3 of these articles merely report the outcome of the Korean trial, and they all repeat that the ex-NCSOft employees were found guilty, not BH, not EME. No twists, no lies. 

  • ConnmacartConnmacart Member UncommonPosts: 723

    Honestly, criminals have been proclaiming their innocense since they invented trials. Making a statement like that is utterly meaningless until the dust has settled. 

    Would any company admit to wrong doings unless they were forced to? Easy answer to that of course.

    The burden of proof lies with NCsoft, but stating, because they didn't file for an injunction that they have no case all depends on what NCsoft is actually trying to prove.

    As for the sites that got posted. None of those have real journalists and as such lack journalistic credibility. They will often have unverified information.

  • cinderboycinderboy Member UncommonPosts: 35

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Originally posted by saurus123

    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

    How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

     

    Since when did I linked the IP blocking to the court case?

     

    I specifically mentioned "marketing antics".

    [mod edit]

  • cinderboycinderboy Member UncommonPosts: 35

    Originally posted by Naqaj

    Originally posted by Kumapon

    All these other sites from :



    Massively



    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/04/17/korean-court-confirms-guilty-verdict-in-tera-criminal-trial/



    MMO Site



    http://news.mmosite.com/content/c/2012-04-17/korean_supreme_court_confirms_guilty_verdict_in_tera_criminal_trial.shtml



    MMO culture



    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/former-ncsoft-staff-jailed-for-lineage.html



    All these sites have twisted the truth to make it sound like TERA was in trouble. Some have even flat out lied to the public. These sites showed their true colors.

    You guys really need to lay off that "Everyone against us" paranoia. All 3 of these articles merely report the outcome of the Korean trial, and they all repeat that the ex-NCSOft employees were found guilty, not BH, not EME. No twists, no lies. 

     

    Thank you for being a sane reader.

  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760

    Originally posted by Naqaj

    Originally posted by Kumapon

    All these other sites from :



    Massively



    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/04/17/korean-court-confirms-guilty-verdict-in-tera-criminal-trial/



    MMO Site



    http://news.mmosite.com/content/c/2012-04-17/korean_supreme_court_confirms_guilty_verdict_in_tera_criminal_trial.shtml



    MMO culture



    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/former-ncsoft-staff-jailed-for-lineage.html



    All these sites have twisted the truth to make it sound like TERA was in trouble. Some have even flat out lied to the public. These sites showed their true colors.

    You guys really need to lay off that "Everyone against us" paranoia. All 3 of these articles merely report the outcome of the Korean trial, and they all repeat that the ex-NCSOft employees were found guilty, not BH, not EME. No twists, no lies. 

    at least one person at En Masse is an ex-ncsoft employee.   so it is mis-leading.

    I've got the straight edge.

  • L3nnyGpL3nnyGp Member UncommonPosts: 153

    Originally posted by cinderboy

    Originally posted by Xasapis


    Originally posted by saurus123

    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

    How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

     

    Since when did I linked the IP blocking to the court case?

     

    I specifically mentioned "marketing antics".

     

    [mod edit]

    Don't take it so personally, its just common knowledge to know that the majority of "GOLD FARMING" is an actual job in China (Asia) and other developing nations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_farming

    It's just one-way of dealing with gold-sellers. plus they are playing it safe. Since the "Vast Majority" are cyber criminals! That doesn't me everyone, but what can you do?

  • cinderboycinderboy Member UncommonPosts: 35

    Originally posted by R.I.O.T

    Originally posted by cinderboy


    Originally posted by Xasapis


    Originally posted by saurus123

    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

    How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

     

    Since when did I linked the IP blocking to the court case?

     

    I specifically mentioned "marketing antics".

     

    God, TERA fanboys.

    Don't take it so personally, its just common knowledge to know that the majority of "GOLD FARMING" is an actual job in China (Asia) and other developing nations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_farming

    It's just one-way of dealing with gold-sellers. plus they are playing it safe. Since the "Vast Majority" are cyber criminals! That doesn't me everyone, but what can you do?

     

    [mod edit]

    I can actually play the EU server, which I did for the CBT weekends.

     

    The beef here is more about how En Masse decided to stereotype all Asians instead of listing out factors such as latency concerns due to the combat and perhaps mention about on going talks about new servers and publishers for new regions.

     

    Which P2P games do you see IP-blocking regions nowadays due to "hackers" and "farming" anyway?

  • EduardoASGEduardoASG Member Posts: 832

    I dont know the basis behind the NCSoft complain.. what i do know is that Tera looks like an upgraded version of Lineage franchise.. and the similarities may indicate some meshes / parts of code were the same or almost the same used in both games or by both companies.

    Now if that is a reason to present charge.. i have no idea. All my dealings so far with NCSoft tell me NCSoft is a good company, honest and dedicate to the online gaming market, and its a company that has been in the gamining scene for a while now. If they say they have reasons to prossecute another company, most likely they do..

    Aion, AoC, AC, AO, DDO, Eve, Eq2, GW, MW3, L1&2, RF, RIFT, SWG, SWTOR, TR, UO, WOW, WAR
  • BigBadWolfeBigBadWolfe Member Posts: 143

    Originally posted by EduardoASG

    I dont know the basis behind the NCSoft complain.. what i do know is that Tera looks like an upgraded version of Lineage franchise.. and the similarities may indicate some meshes / parts of code were the same or almost the same used in both games or by both companies.

    Now if that is a reason to present charge.. i have no idea. All my dealings so far with NCSoft tell me NCSoft is a good company, honest and dedicate to the online gaming market, and its a company that has been in the gamining scene for a while now. If they say they have reasons to prossecute another company, most likely they do..

    the response wasn't simplya response to NCSoft but Massively as well.  Massively is really digusting in their treatment of Tera, they had constantly reported info and events by K-Tera that are completely unrelated to W-Tera, and had twisted their story or left out key information to make W-Tera look bad.  Now they went as far as to outright lie that K-Tera was found guilty, when they were not, and EME/Blue Hole had to respond.

    But that's not the kicker, the kicker is user responses like these where people are still defending Massively and NCSoft's baseless assault on Tera even after they had been proven wrong.  It's really digusting all the comments I read, that "I trust NCSoft"or that "Massively says that Tera dev are guilty so EME must be lying."

    It's amazing how completey ignorant people are when EME comes out and dispells the rumors with the truth, but people still do not believe them.  As a gamer people should be demanding the jobs of these journalists like Massively that spin the facts to their own benefit and not in the interest in their playerbase.  How many games have we brought last year that was constantly hyped by sites like Massively and turned out to be trash?  And now Massively got players literally convinced that people shouldn't play Tera, a game a lot of people will actually like, because they stole assets from NCSoft and they are found guilty and NCSoft will shutdown their game.

     

    We are literally living in a world now where other people are telling us what games we should and should not play.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Originally posted by cinderboy

    Originally posted by Xasapis


    Originally posted by saurus123

    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

    How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

     Since when did I linked the IP blocking to the court case?

     I specifically mentioned "marketing antics".

     God, TERA fanboys.

    You mentioned nothing beyond posting a link, which is off topic regarding this thead.

    In any case, not a bad job for a trolling alt account.

  • xmentyxmenty Member UncommonPosts: 719

    Please tell me if I am wrong.

    Let me get this right. An ex workers that quit Ncsoft steal all the company projects.

    They then set up a new company on their own and used all Ncsoft projects and make another MMO out of this.

    They get send to jail in Korea for stealing and people are defending the stolen MMO as if it was Ncsoft fault?

    I do not understand why people are hating the victim and praise the thief? 

    Is there another story that I do not know that you guys are defending this MMO?

    Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language :)

  • keinohrkeinohr Member Posts: 60

    The Title is misleading. NCsoft didn't do anything to spread the rumors. It was the press. Furthermore the court case was against the former employees not against the company(BHS) in which they were found guilty.

  • BigBadWolfeBigBadWolfe Member Posts: 143

    Originally posted by xmenty

    Please tell me if I am wrong.

    Let me get this right. An ex workers that quit Ncsoft steal all the company projects.

    They then set up a new company on their own and used all Ncsoft projects and make another MMO out of this.

    They get send to jail in Korea for stealing and people are defending the stolen MMO as if it was Ncsoft fault?

    I do not understand why people are hating the victim and praise the thief? 

    Is there another story that I do not know that you guys are defending this MMO?

    you are wrong and you might need reading glasses.  I don't know how you completely missed the first post of this thread that explains everything that happened in detail.

  • RednecksithRednecksith Member Posts: 1,238

    Originally posted by cinderboy

    Originally posted by R.I.O.T


    Originally posted by cinderboy


    Originally posted by Xasapis


    Originally posted by saurus123

    http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

    How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

     

    Since when did I linked the IP blocking to the court case?

     

    I specifically mentioned "marketing antics".

     

    God, TERA fanboys.

    Don't take it so personally, its just common knowledge to know that the majority of "GOLD FARMING" is an actual job in China (Asia) and other developing nations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_farming

    It's just one-way of dealing with gold-sellers. plus they are playing it safe. Since the "Vast Majority" are cyber criminals! That doesn't me everyone, but what can you do?

     

    Well the fact is there is nothing I can do except to post what I feel in my own blog, which the fanboys have to take too deep into context while referring to the court cases.

     

    I can actually play the EU server, which I did for the CBT weekends.

     

    The beef here is more about how En Masse decided to stereotype all Asians instead of listing out factors such as latency concerns due to the combat and perhaps mention about on going talks about new servers and publishers for new regions.

     

    Which P2P games do you see IP-blocking regions nowadays due to "hackers" and "farming" anyway?

    So in other words, they cut out all the politically correct bullshit and simply told it like it is. I say good on them, I wish more companies would stop blowing sunshine up people's butts and just acknowledge the real reasons for their actions.

    I suppose some people will whine about anything though.

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