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What Happens If Frogster Mess Up But EN Masse Don't?

FuryVFuryV Member UncommonPosts: 515

I've pre-ordered TERA therefore will be playing no matter what, although I'll unfortunately be playing the EU version as I live in the EU.  My worries are mostly about Frogster really & how they compare to EN Masse.  For starters, just visiting both the EN Masse & Frogster TERA sites, EN Masse blatantly look to be the better company straight away.

Frogster's websites look like they were done on a shoestring budget, especially their main Frogster websites as listed below.

 

http://www.frogster.de/en/index.html

www.frogster.com

 

I don't want to come across as a grammar Nazi, as mine isn't perfect, although I spotted numerous grammatical & spelling mistakes on the Frogster website & the TERA EU website.  This usually doesn't bother me, but when this type of carelessness is shown by a company who are representing a game for thousands or more, it doesn't really instill a lot of trust.  Their website layouts also look like amateurs work compared to EN Masse's, with boring font, un-user friendly layout etc.

 

I'm also constantly reading negative things about Frogster and how they're crap compared to the 'almighty EME', therefore that doesn't help either. :P

 

On the other hand, I don't have anything against EME.  I guess I'm just jealous you guys in NA have a game being represented by what seems to be a reputable company, and who are highly interested in the game, whereas us EU folk have.... Frogster. Meh.

 

I guess I'm just hoping that Frogster don't completely mess up with the game here in the EU, causing it to go f2p, whilst the NA version is still going strong due to the backing it has by EN Masse.

 

 

I should also point out, I have not done any real research of either company, apart from things I've read on forums recently, and the occasional checking out of each website, therefore I apologise if I'm way off target with my comments.

Comments

  • Odinthedark1Odinthedark1 Member Posts: 330

    You got it backwards, En masse is a caring company for its customers sure but from what ive heard frogster had a clean launch...and i know from experience just now en masse did not...have to reinstall the whole game like a bunch of other people, tho it doesnt bother me cause im already liking en masse, as ive seen them in the cbt's anyway. i hope they continue listening to the players. 

  • FuryVFuryV Member UncommonPosts: 515

    EDIT: Added to 1st post.

  • arunasmearunasme Member UncommonPosts: 129

    What do you mean 'mess up'  ? Frogster is just a distributor in the Eu continent, so we will most likely have the same version as the american's with the same patches, etc.  What I want to say is: unless they have problems keeping the servers up ( which today, is a rare problem for a any mmo out there) I dont see what can they 'mess up', good marketing, advertising, events and stuff as such? Meh, if the game is good you dont need these things, well, and if the game isnt what people expected, nothing can really save it. 

  • skydiver12skydiver12 Member Posts: 432

    Theres a saying over Frogster. "You got frogged", which translates into "You got F*****".

    People who already had dealings with Frogster already stated they are not a good publisher at any rate. They will mess up.

    And so since 19.04.2012 frogster did live up to the expectations. (They **** up).



    * German and France Client (language Settings) have Blood disabled with no chance to activate it. - This change happened undocumented.

    * Guild Logo upload is disabled because some people uploaded inappropriate pictures

    Instead of moderating these peoples, they disable the feature. Lazy **********

    * Itemshop NPCs are aviable and fully translated. Buy +4% attackspeed Necklage at lvl15.

    * PVE / PVP Server ruleset is still not confirmed. Currently PVe Servers DO NOT have Battlegrounds and Guild VS Guild.  (They want to go headstart in a week - lol)



    What will happen?

    Most people will not put up the trouble for a refund, or buy again TERA NA. If they don't fix this asap they will Tank TERA in EU big time.

  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    I would say the best place to start is on the EU forum site and start asking questions.  Ask if anyone played on the NA version and what was their ping,  Ask questions about their opinion of frogster so far. 

     

    GL.

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  • AegrusAegrus Member UncommonPosts: 34

    * German and France Client (language Settings) have Blood disabled with no chance to activate it. - This change happened undocumented.

    * Guild Logo upload is disabled because some people uploaded inappropriate pictures

    Instead of moderating these peoples, they disable the feature. Lazy **********

    * Itemshop NPCs are aviable and fully translated. Buy +4% attackspeed Necklage at lvl15.

    * PVE / PVP Server ruleset is still not confirmed. Currently PVe Servers DO NOT have Battlegrounds and Guild VS Guild.  (They want to go headstart in a week - lol)

    Well, about the blood (and i can't speak for France as i don't know) in Germany this is always censored. There is a reason why our neighbours (Dutch here) come over during the holidays and stock uncensored videogames. No reason to document it if it's a given thing. But i guess they could leave the blood in and be 100% sure Tera will get banned in Germany... Yes, that sounds like the best solution.....

    Do you have numbers on how many inappropriate pictures were uploaded? For what it's worth, it could be 1000s. Moderating these cost money, money THE PLAYER will compensate for. Better leave it out till there's an automated feature for this then.

    Regarding the other points, i don't know.

    And whether or not Frogster will FUP is about to be seen. Right now it's the only way to play TERA in Europe.

    You can bash and whine you want, but there's no way around them unless you go and play on the NA servers.

    If you made your choice and went to the NA ones...there's no reason to attack Frogster is there?

    Attacking things you have no connection to is silly....really.

     

  • skydiver12skydiver12 Member Posts: 432

     






    Well, about the blood (and i can't speak for France as i don't know) in Germany this is always censored. There is a reason why our neighbours (Dutch here) come over during the holidays and stock uncensored videogames. No reason to document it if it's a given thing. But i guess they could leave the blood in and be 100% sure Tera will get banned in Germany... Yes, that sounds like the best solution.....

    Do you have numbers on how many inappropriate pictures were uploaded? For what it's worth, it could be 1000s. Moderating these cost money, money THE PLAYER will compensate for. Better leave it out till there's an automated feature for this then.

    Regarding the other points, i don't know.

    And whether or not Frogster will FUP is about to be seen. Right now it's the only way to play TERA in Europe.

    You can bash and whine you want, but there's no way around them unless you go and play on the NA servers.

    If you made your choice and went to the NA ones...there's no reason to attack Frogster is there?

    Attacking things you have no connection to is silly....really.

     



    Stop posting baseless assumptions if you have no clue on the subject don't post. In Deutschland wird nichts gebannt wegen Blut in TERAs Form. Die USK/FSK erhöht nur ein Rating auf 16. Das ist freiwillige Selbstzensur und mieserable ckommunikation seitens Frogster. Gebannt werden Nazi zeichen. Übertriebene Gewalteinwirkung wie Körperteil abtrennung oder Verstümmelung wird FSK/USK 18.Leute Fahren für ein Bulletstorm nach Holland, nicht für ein roten Fleck in TERA.

    In Germany nothing gets banned because of Blood like TERA has. The USK/FSK increases in rating to Age of 16 at worst. This is censorship and bad communication from Frogster. Nazi emblems will give you a Banning in Germany. Excessive Gore, decapitation will get a FSK/USK age 18. People drive to Dutch for Bulletstorm games, not for a red sprinkle in TERA.



    Aion and Lineage2 in europe (that includes germany!) have custom clan logo upload as well as many F2P games. US TERA still has it. The whole argument about cost is retarded since the competition already moderate it. This is nothing new and goes through the same channels as any harassment .-> REPORT.



    Done spouting baseless fanboy apologies, or in need to get something else corrected by me?

     Defending with false arguments Frogster to which you have no connection to is silly...really.

  • badclownbadclown Member Posts: 37

    Im an Austrian playing TERA EU but I played the US beta so I noticed that SOME

    of the blood is missing. Not all of it. When you slash an enemy blood is squirting

    but no drops on the floor.

     

    BUT there is a solution: change the s1option.ini file.. open the file and change HITDECAL=0 to HITDECAL=2

    this only works when you switch your language to englisch. The german version switches the hitdecal

    back to 0.

     

    and I fucking hate zensorship.. doenst matter if its blood or boobs.

     

  • ConnmacartConnmacart Member UncommonPosts: 723

    Originally posted by skydiver12

     






    Well, about the blood (and i can't speak for France as i don't know) in Germany this is always censored. There is a reason why our neighbours (Dutch here) come over during the holidays and stock uncensored videogames. No reason to document it if it's a given thing. But i guess they could leave the blood in and be 100% sure Tera will get banned in Germany... Yes, that sounds like the best solution.....

    Do you have numbers on how many inappropriate pictures were uploaded? For what it's worth, it could be 1000s. Moderating these cost money, money THE PLAYER will compensate for. Better leave it out till there's an automated feature for this then.

    Regarding the other points, i don't know.

    And whether or not Frogster will FUP is about to be seen. Right now it's the only way to play TERA in Europe.

    You can bash and whine you want, but there's no way around them unless you go and play on the NA servers.

    If you made your choice and went to the NA ones...there's no reason to attack Frogster is there?

    Attacking things you have no connection to is silly....really.

     




    Stop posting baseless assumptions if you have no clue on the subject don't post. In Deutschland wird nichts gebannt wegen Blut in TERAs Form. Die USK/FSK erhöht nur ein Rating auf 16. Das ist freiwillige Selbstzensur und mieserable ckommunikation seitens Frogster. Gebannt werden Nazi zeichen. Übertriebene Gewalteinwirkung wie Körperteil abtrennung oder Verstümmelung wird FSK/USK 18.Leute Fahren für ein Bulletstorm nach Holland, nicht für ein roten Fleck in TERA.

    In Germany nothing gets banned because of Blood like TERA has. The USK/FSK increases in rating to Age of 16 at worst. This is censorship and bad communication from Frogster. Nazi emblems will give you a Banning in Germany. Excessive Gore, decapitation will get a FSK/USK age 18. People drive to Dutch for Bulletstorm games, not for a red sprinkle in TERA.



    Aion and Lineage2 in europe (that includes germany!) have custom clan logo upload as well as many F2P games. US TERA still has it. The whole argument about cost is retarded since the competition already moderate it. This is nothing new and goes through the same channels as any harassment .-> REPORT.



    Done spouting baseless fanboy apologies, or in need to get something else corrected by me?

     Defending with false arguments Frogster to which you have no connection to is silly...really.

    Angry much

    Tera has an age rating of 12 at the moment in the EU. So to keep that rating in Germany they did have to remove the blood. Meaning his comment was fully justified. Yours on the other hand is full of bile and hate.

    Sure Frogster could follow up on reports of inappropriate images, but they have better things to handle during the first months than having to weed through childish behaviour reports.

    The itemshop thing doesn't make any sense at all. What are you trying to say there. 

  • skydiver12skydiver12 Member Posts: 432

     






    Originally posted by Connmacart



    Angry much

    Tera has an age rating of 12 at the moment in the EU. So to keep that rating in Germany they did have to remove the blood. Meaning his comment was fully justified. Yours on the other hand is full of bile and hate.

    Sure Frogster could follow up on reports of inappropriate images, but they have better things to handle during the first months than having to weed through childish behaviour reports.

    The itemshop thing doesn't make any sense at all. What are you trying to say there. 



     

    Just serving you fanboy trolls with facts all your bile and hate toward critical people will not help. Your comment is as pointless as it gets. EU EN client language does not have the changes enforced only france and german, go figure your "keeping 12 rating" especially with pegi which accounts for <-EU->. Frogster just kneejerked and that is inexcusable. 

     

    Yeah obviously frogster has better things to do than delivering on level support to EME or what would be expected to be "norm" in the mmo world.

    Thanks for contributing to my fanboy serving count today.

     

  • AegrusAegrus Member UncommonPosts: 34

    Originally posted by skydiver12

     






    Well, about the blood (and i can't speak for France as i don't know) in Germany this is always censored. There is a reason why our neighbours (Dutch here) come over during the holidays and stock uncensored videogames. No reason to document it if it's a given thing. But i guess they could leave the blood in and be 100% sure Tera will get banned in Germany... Yes, that sounds like the best solution.....

    Do you have numbers on how many inappropriate pictures were uploaded? For what it's worth, it could be 1000s. Moderating these cost money, money THE PLAYER will compensate for. Better leave it out till there's an automated feature for this then.

    Regarding the other points, i don't know.

    And whether or not Frogster will FUP is about to be seen. Right now it's the only way to play TERA in Europe.

    You can bash and whine you want, but there's no way around them unless you go and play on the NA servers.

    If you made your choice and went to the NA ones...there's no reason to attack Frogster is there?

    Attacking things you have no connection to is silly....really.

     




    Stop posting baseless assumptions if you have no clue on the subject don't post. In Deutschland wird nichts gebannt wegen Blut in TERAs Form. Die USK/FSK erhöht nur ein Rating auf 16. Das ist freiwillige Selbstzensur und mieserable ckommunikation seitens Frogster. Gebannt werden Nazi zeichen. Übertriebene Gewalteinwirkung wie Körperteil abtrennung oder Verstümmelung wird FSK/USK 18.Leute Fahren für ein Bulletstorm nach Holland, nicht für ein roten Fleck in TERA.

    In Germany nothing gets banned because of Blood like TERA has. The USK/FSK increases in rating to Age of 16 at worst. This is censorship and bad communication from Frogster. Nazi emblems will give you a Banning in Germany. Excessive Gore, decapitation will get a FSK/USK age 18. People drive to Dutch for Bulletstorm games, not for a red sprinkle in TERA.



    Aion and Lineage2 in europe (that includes germany!) have custom clan logo upload as well as many F2P games. US TERA still has it. The whole argument about cost is retarded since the competition already moderate it. This is nothing new and goes through the same channels as any harassment .-> REPORT.



    Done spouting baseless fanboy apologies, or in need to get something else corrected by me?

     Defending with false arguments Frogster to which you have no connection to is silly...really.

    Was there a point in a German reply and then translating it? I speak German but fail to see the point. Sorry, might be my bad. It's not a baseless assumption. Assumption may be, but baseless? The rest of you post eplains that's not the case.

    Also, as long as TERA is in Beta, Frogster can do whatever they like without notifying anyone as long as the promised features are there on release. 

    I was just saying that the original post is based on assumptions and that's pointless. As none of us (i assume....oops) works at Frogster. So how on earth can we say what the reason is for these changes and how good/bad Frogster is doing it's work. We can speculate or fight over it on the boards (in this case not even on an official TERA board) or just wait and relax. Maybe i'm being the devils advocate with my earlier post. Maybe because i'm sick of people whining about anything and everything while they could just wait and see what happens in a week. My bad if i ruined someones day with it.

    And fanboy...to what? A company? That would be a bit strange. 

    KR

     

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