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Is the in game gold auction destined to fail?
FrodoFragins
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I don't know much about gold use in the game. But I'd assume that most farmers would want to sell their best items in the RMAH?
If WOW had a RMAH in addition to the regular AH, I'd guess the best BOE epics would be sold for cash only. What is the likelihood of people selling good items for gold rather than cash?
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Most items won't be worth trying to set up an RMAH auction for. But don't forget that you can buy and sell gold on the RMAH too. So anyone wanting to profitably dispose of lesser items will sell them on the gold AH, and then sell the gold on the RMAH.
Let's put it this way... anything rmt means that the farmers will be 99% of the market share. It's simple time vs numbers... 1 million us players logging 4-12 hrs a dag vs 3 million asain accounts logging 20-23 hours a day... who is going to have the best stuff to sell?
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iam not going to use it , so i don't realy care
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Good luck with that! Lots thought the same about second life but it didn't turn out that way.
The in-game AH is going to be a garage sale. Nothing but trash. Anything of value is going to be sold for cash. The only reason Blizzard bothered putting it in there is to create the illusion that players have an option when the want to trade for gear. They don't. It's all window dressing.
The ultimate in P2W technology and the Blizz devout are sucking it down drunks at an open bar.
I know I was just kidding. That thing is going to be so saturated with farmers. Prices are going to be too low to make that kind of money relative to the time it takes to farm stuff.
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P2W ? lol. All the good equipment will be in inferno, and blizzard said that the first clear will take between 1 and 2 months.
Ditto.
The ones who gets the best loot drops?
The addition of the RMAH has not changed a thing. Back in the day, you could trade items for gold in game. But there was a third party RMT for the same in game items. These RMT were not policed and were subject to scams. Scams that the player base felt that Blzzard should correct or fight. The RMAH is blizzards solution. People using the RMAH will buy up all good items traded for in game gold and turn around and resell the items for RM. There is no way around it. Except adding a resell timer to items. If you buy an item you can't resell it for year, and you can't delete it just to take it off the market. Another thing they can do, if an item is bought off the gold AH, it can't be resold on the RMTAH or deleted.
WoW items are often sold in third party RMT, and the in game gold based AH thrives.
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As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
The like hood? They will sold them period. Isn't it why Blizz get his cut from player transactions?
And even if some people, probably naive people will say, "well fuck it and ignore the rmt and bot farmers, i will put my good items in the normal AH, so that normal people like me can play the game without RMT" (yes i was one of those guys a long ago), don't you think bots will not grab it in a matter of second, i mean all the good trading games use bots to grab those items the fastest for the lowest price.
Blizz is going to forbid trading bots? How? Why should they, i mean normal AH give them no profit where RMTAH do, so? Honestly you don't have to be a genius the go around the RMTAH, and see exactly what this is all about, they could trick some naive people in making think this is actually an awesome feature, they will actually getting money from playing their game, but ye outside that super naive % of player? Who could even swallow that?
You want to use trading bot, and farming bot to enjoy a game at it's fullest? Maybe, they are actually quiet a few people thinking this is a feature in gaming, and they enjoy making bots, and have them compete with others bots. I certainly don't, i never really got to enjoy that programming competition in my rpgs. This kind of stuff always existed, really its not new, i recall back during Mud time too, a lot of Mud were actually about showing your skills in programing, so its not something bad or dishonest per say. Its just that when some games are about that, well, please at least don't make it as if it wasn't about this, and try to trick naive people in thinking they will earn money without good programming skills, and borderline breaking gaming rules that can't be and certainly won't be enforced anyway, as D2 was the demonstration of it.
Because if you think a second D3 will be anything else than that, i can bet you it will be exactly that before you can say cheese. And the worst part is that it is probably exactly what Blizz is expecting it to be, wasn't D2 that anyway? isn't it their main argument?
How can you even say it won't change a think. Damn that really is pissing me off, ye rmt always existed and will always. But there is a real distinction between a game where 90% of the gamer have to use rmt to enjoy a game (get best gear), and one where 10% feel like using it is a great idea. The funny part is that probably 90% of the poeple that played D2 cheated or used trainers to get those gear, so now Blizz need our money for that? No thanks.
It really doesnt. In previous games, we just did things differently.
But that said; isnt half the fun in actually finding the good stuff? Or am I the only one that still loves to go through the content and hope for a good piece of equip?
fail? Like techincally not work? Like broken search features, lost items, laggy refresh rate? Or do you think people wont pull out their credit cards instead of spending months working towards and then farming a boss on inferno? Because if its the latter i can tell you that with out a doubt it has no chance of "failing"
If you live in North America there is no way you will be making a living off this game.. Not unless your one of these freaks that has been in beta since the start.. has figured out every little intricate detail and has twelve computers ready to go. Most people in North America that make money playing games, actually have employees they pay low wages to in poorer parts of the world.
If as you say only 10% of the player base feels like using Real Money is a great idea, then that 10% will if Blizzard controls it or some third party does it over Ebay. I suspect the number may have been as high as 40% under Diablo 1 & 2. In Diablo 3 this percentage wont change by much. I realize I don't have any data to support this statement, but I hope we can all agree that is true none the less. Regardless if aanything is legal or illegal doesn't change the percentage of society that partakes in it. It only controls how much crime is involved with it. Crime is highly involved in illegal things, and less involved in legal things. Blizzard is trying to take crime (RMT) out of its games, by making it legal and controlled. The only people who should be against this are people who don't understand this, and those involved in crime (RMT).
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As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
Gold will have a cash value since you can buy against it.
You know who wins in the RMAH?
Blizzard.
They get $1.25 per transaction from anything you sell and they pay you into a "battle.net balance"
Players will be able to make purchases in the currency-based auction house using a registered form of payment attached to their Battle.net account. As with other popular online-purchase services, players will also have the option to charge up their Battle.net account with a balance of funds that can be drawn from for purchases of any digital product available through Battle.net -- this includes not only auction house items but also things like World of Warcraft subscription time and paid services, to name a few examples. On the flipside, when players sell an item in the currency-based auction house, the proceeds of the sale are deposited into their Battle.net account and can then be used as described above.
If you actually want to see your money:
Yes, as an advanced feature, players will have the option of attaching an account with an approved third-party payment service to their Battle.net account. Once this has been completed, proceeds from the sale of items in the currency-based auction house can be deposited into their third-party payment service account. "Cashing out" would then be handled through the third-party payment service. Note that this process will be subject to applicable fees charged by Blizzard and the third-party payment service.
So Blizz gets money if you sell an item, then again if you want to cash out money from your battle.net account.
This is all completely aside from the fact that players will be able to P2W when they finally implement the PvP in a later patch.
Anyone trying to pretend that this service is designed to "protect" the consumer from 3rd party sites is clearly missing the point that Blizz is implementing this to create another revenue stream.
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yep...so solution....if you want to make a living of playing games as a gold farmer....move to a poor country where you still can live of 1$ a day, life is so full of choices : P
I make about 300 USD a month in secondlife ^_^. It's totally possible to make more, but i also spend about 3/4 of my time roleplaying. IF i dedicated more time to making things to sell, i'm sure i'd make more.
As for the Diablo 3 RMAH, it will thrive. Just as there are many people who want to have to work for there stuff, or use strickly in game gold to get it, there are tons more who don't mind throwing 50$ at the game to get there stuff without wasting time. It definetely won't fail.
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It will succeed if the game succeed, but i don't think it will make the game succeed, which is quiet different. But i must be wrong, since its pretty clear Blizz is counting on that to make Diablo3 succeed, if not they would made sure to put a bit more meat into their barebone of game.