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Ability delay is back - and worse - in 1.2

Same old problem with ability activation delay and failed GCDs due to the broken engine.

Check these threads... if they aren't deleted by the time you click the link:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=430539

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=426200

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=427878

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=417654

Seems like they just cannot fix this issue so it is here to stay.

Video proof for the naysayers:

 

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  • erictlewiserictlewis Member UncommonPosts: 3,022

    Ability delay never left, it gotten worse the last couple of patches.   Honestly you mostly spam the mouse key for whatever ability you have mapped there.

     

  • CetraCetra Member UncommonPosts: 359

    PVE failed

    PVP failed

    Game mechanics failed

     

  • jugularveinjugularvein Member UncommonPosts: 371

    You know whats funny.  I came back due to the fact I had the free month and I did a few rounds of pvp myself.  I thought I was going crazy or that i was really out of sync(only stopped playing a week before) cause I swear I wasn't as (fast) as I was before.  Im glad you brought this up cause after about an hour of pvp and noticing that I was very sluggish and unresponsive I just gave it up. 

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  • MephsterMephster Member Posts: 1,188

    Originally posted by Cetra

    PVE failed

    PVP failed

    Game mechanics failed

     

    That pretty much sums it up unfortunately. Sad, I was really hoping for a real Star Wars experience. Guess I'll have to wait for the next attempt, if there is one.

    Grim Dawn, the next great action rpg!

    http://www.grimdawn.com/

  • Thoth-AmonThoth-Amon Member Posts: 91

    Plays fine for me and the people I game with. id guess the problems your end.

  • erictlewiserictlewis Member UncommonPosts: 3,022

    One of the problems is that when you kick of a skill, you have to wait for that skill to cool down before you can kick of any skill.  If your spamming the mouse button for a skill and you hit one of your other skills you got to wait for whatever you had in the skill chain to cool down before that skill kicks off.

    For healers you don't spam the mouse button t keep this from being a problem.  If your a juggernaut, or a marauder you just spam you 2 quick melee attacks and try to get skills of in-between.

    I guess what I should really say is there is a skill que, and you have to wait for those skills to cool down and go out of your skill que, its kind of like the old days of swg, except you actually had a place to where you could see what you had in your skill que that youhad kicked off. 

     

  • IstavaanIstavaan Member Posts: 1,350

    what did mmorpg.com score this game out of 10 again? talk about misleading your community.

  • WickedjellyWickedjelly Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,990

    Originally posted by Istavaan

    what did mmorpg.com score this game out of 10 again? talk about misleading your community.

     Much as I enjoy coming here and their info in articles at times is great  their reviews are worthless and lack any objectivity whatsoever. I highly doubt many take their reviews the least bit seriously unless they're new to this site or are simply looking for a good laugh.

    They write great articles at times on other matters but their reviews simply suck. No other way to put it.

    1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

    2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

    3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  • MckiedizMckiediz Member Posts: 48
    Originally posted by erictlewis

    One of the problems is that when you kick of a skill, you have to wait for that skill to cool down before you can kick of any skill.  If your spamming the mouse button for a skill and you hit one of your other skills you got to wait for whatever you had in the skill chain to cool down before that skill kicks off.
    For healers you don't spam the mouse button t keep this from being a problem.  If your a juggernaut, or a marauder you just spam you 2 quick melee attacks and try to get skills of in-between.
    I guess what I should really say is there is a skill que, and you have to wait for those skills to cool down and go out of your skill que, its kind of like the old days of swg, except you actually had a place to where you could see what you had in your skill que that youhad kicked off. 
     

     



    At last someone who understands that there is no ability delay.....or the ability delay is in fact a skills-queueing system....The lead combat designer had been telling us about taht waay before the game launched.
  • RodimusPrimeRodimusPrime Member Posts: 114

    Originally posted by Mckiediz

    Originally posted by erictlewis

    One of the problems is that when you kick of a skill, you have to wait for that skill to cool down before you can kick of any skill.  If your spamming the mouse button for a skill and you hit one of your other skills you got to wait for whatever you had in the skill chain to cool down before that skill kicks off.

    For healers you don't spam the mouse button t keep this from being a problem.  If your a juggernaut, or a marauder you just spam you 2 quick melee attacks and try to get skills of in-between.

    I guess what I should really say is there is a skill que, and you have to wait for those skills to cool down and go out of your skill que, its kind of like the old days of swg, except you actually had a place to where you could see what you had in your skill que that youhad kicked off. 

     

     

    At last someone who understands that there is no ability delay.....or the ability delay is in fact a skills-queueing system....The lead combat designer had been telling us about taht waay before the game launched.

     You can actually adjust it to 0 in the settings. I did mine.

  • MckiedizMckiediz Member Posts: 48
    Originally posted by RodimusPrime


    Originally posted by Mckiediz


    Originally posted by erictlewis

    One of the problems is that when you kick of a skill, you have to wait for that skill to cool down before you can kick of any skill.  If your spamming the mouse button for a skill and you hit one of your other skills you got to wait for whatever you had in the skill chain to cool down before that skill kicks off.
    For healers you don't spam the mouse button t keep this from being a problem.  If your a juggernaut, or a marauder you just spam you 2 quick melee attacks and try to get skills of in-between.
    I guess what I should really say is there is a skill que, and you have to wait for those skills to cool down and go out of your skill que, its kind of like the old days of swg, except you actually had a place to where you could see what you had in your skill que that youhad kicked off. 
     

     

    At last someone who understands that there is no ability delay.....or the ability delay is in fact a skills-queueing system....The lead combat designer had been telling us about taht waay before the game launched.

     You can actually adjust it to 0 in the settings. I did mine.

     


    Yes, those who whine about some sort of ability delay don't even know the mechanic of what they are plaing. Also I am betting they don't understand or even look the settings properly.

    Even if you can adjust the queueing time, the SWToR's global cooldown is longer than most Mmo. No need to spam when it's still on
  • eddieg50eddieg50 Member UncommonPosts: 1,809

    Originally posted by Mckiediz

    Originally posted by RodimusPrime

    Originally posted by Mckiediz

    Originally posted by erictlewis

    One of the problems is that when you kick of a skill, you have to wait for that skill to cool down before you can kick of any skill.  If your spamming the mouse button for a skill and you hit one of your other skills you got to wait for whatever you had in the skill chain to cool down before that skill kicks off.

    For healers you don't spam the mouse button t keep this from being a problem.  If your a juggernaut, or a marauder you just spam you 2 quick melee attacks and try to get skills of in-between.

    I guess what I should really say is there is a skill que, and you have to wait for those skills to cool down and go out of your skill que, its kind of like the old days of swg, except you actually had a place to where you could see what you had in your skill que that youhad kicked off. 

     

     

    At last someone who understands that there is no ability delay.....or the ability delay is in fact a skills-queueing system....The lead combat designer had been telling us about taht waay before the game launched.

     You can actually adjust it to 0 in the settings. I did mine.

     

    Yes, those who whine about some sort of ability delay don't even know the mechanic of what they are plaing. Also I am betting they don't understand or even look the settings properly. Even if you can adjust the queueing time, the SWToR's global cooldown is longer than most Mmo. No need to spam when it's still on

       Agreed , set it to zero and there is no delay!  My prob came about 6 weeks ago when SWTOR went to super easy mode on lvls 1-30

  • doragon86doragon86 Member UncommonPosts: 589

    Originally posted by Wickedjelly

    Originally posted by Istavaan

    what did mmorpg.com score this game out of 10 again? talk about misleading your community.

     Much as I enjoy coming here and their info in articles at times is great  their reviews are worthless and lack any objectivity whatsoever. I highly doubt many take their reviews the least bit seriously unless they're new to this site or are simply looking for a good laugh.

    They write great articles at times on other matters but their reviews simply suck. No other way to put it.

    Yea... nowadays I rarely take the words of review websites serioiusly, i.e. ign, gamespot, etc. You're better off just looking at the reviews users themselves make, and taking an overall account on what the general view of the game is. 

    "For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
    And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
    And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
    And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
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  • GreyhooffGreyhooff Member Posts: 654

    People who don't experience ability delay are clickers, ie: terribads.

    If you keybind and spam abilities, you will lose GCDs and cause casting lag. This has been confirmed by hundreds of people, myself included.

    This problem alone means SWTOR will never be an e-sport, and will never be taken seriously by proper PVPers.

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  • SoandsosoSoandsoso Member Posts: 533

    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    People who don't experience ability delay are clickers, ie: terribads.

    If you keybind and spam abilities, you will lose GCDs and cause casting lag. This has been confirmed by hundreds of people, myself included.

    This problem alone means SWTOR will never be an e-sport, and will never be taken seriously by proper PVPers.

     

    This made me laugh.

  • MetentsoMetentso Member UncommonPosts: 1,437
    Originally posted by Istavaan

    what did mmorpg.com score this game out of 10 again? talk about misleading your community.

     

    Guy that scored it a 6 was fired. See my signature.

    Mmorp.com gives other reasons for firing him.
  • thamighty213thamighty213 Member UncommonPosts: 1,637

    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    People who don't experience ability delay are clickers, ie: terribads.

    If you keybind and spam abilities, you will lose GCDs and cause casting lag. This has been confirmed by hundreds of people, myself included.

    This problem alone means SWTOR will never be an e-sport, and will never be taken seriously by proper PVPers.

    Try not spamming.

     

    Don't experience ability delay at all as a IA partial keybinds partial clicker.

  • GreyhooffGreyhooff Member Posts: 654

    Oh look fanboys and EA employees - it's a video that actually shows the problem:

     

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  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,063

    I have noticed a creeping back in of ability delay as of late with my Sith Warrior, specifically the area attack where he jumps up and comes down hard.I'm someone that always waits for his buttons to cool down so it isn't that I'm impatient. It's a bug pure and simple.Nothing game breaking, but annoying at times.

     Plus I'm still seeing the occasional problem with MERCs, where they do the cross pistol skill and keep firing even after killing the guy. And of course my favorite is the targets that remain standing even after killing them.

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  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,063

    Originally posted by Soandsoso

    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    People who don't experience ability delay are clickers, ie: terribads.

    If you keybind and spam abilities, you will lose GCDs and cause casting lag. This has been confirmed by hundreds of people, myself included.

    This problem alone means SWTOR will never be an e-sport, and will never be taken seriously by proper PVPers.

     

    This made me laugh.

    Personally I'm glad that TOR isn't an e-sport. There are plenty of other MMos out there that cater to that playstyle.

    Currently Playing: World of Warcraft

  • BartDaCatBartDaCat Member UncommonPosts: 813

    Originally posted by erictlewis

    One of the problems is that when you kick of a skill, you have to wait for that skill to cool down before you can kick of any skill.  If your spamming the mouse button for a skill and you hit one of your other skills you got to wait for whatever you had in the skill chain to cool down before that skill kicks off.

    For healers you don't spam the mouse button t keep this from being a problem.  If your a juggernaut, or a marauder you just spam you 2 quick melee attacks and try to get skills of in-between.

    I guess what I should really say is there is a skill que, and you have to wait for those skills to cool down and go out of your skill que, its kind of like the old days of swg, except you actually had a place to where you could see what you had in your skill que that youhad kicked off. 

     

    There's also a Queue Timer in your Settings.  This defaults at ".5" or ".25" I believe.  If you go into those settings and change it to "0", you might see better responsiveness.  Worth a shot.

  • EliandalEliandal Member Posts: 796

    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    People who don't experience ability delay are clickers, ie: terribads.

    If you keybind and spam abilities, you will lose GCDs and cause casting lag. This has been confirmed by hundreds of people, myself included.

    This problem alone means SWTOR will never be an e-sport, and will never be taken seriously by proper PVPers.

     

      Wow...talk about an over generalization.  What about the hundreds of us who AREN'T clickers, and aren't suffering from the problems you're having?  I guess we're obviously lying, or in BW's employ right?

  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Member UncommonPosts: 2,051

    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    Oh look fanboys and EA employees - it's a video that actually shows the problem:

     

    I was watching the video, and I'm not quite sure what I'm suppose to be seeing.  Everytime i see the cooldown timers go off, indicating that he pressed an action button, I see his character attacking or the animation begin for an attack.  It would help if he were actually a "bad" player who clicks so that it would make it easier to know what button he was pusshing to understand where there was ability delay, because as it is, I coudln't see any.

  • AirwrenAirwren Member UncommonPosts: 648

    Originally posted by niceguy3978

    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    Oh look fanboys and EA employees - it's a video that actually shows the problem:

     

    I was watching the video, and I'm not quite sure what I'm suppose to be seeing.  Everytime i see the cooldown timers go off, indicating that he pressed an action button, I see his character attacking or the animation begin for an attack.  It would help if he were actually a "bad" player who clicks so that it would make it easier to know what button he was pusshing to understand where there was ability delay, because as it is, I coudln't see any.

    What you're watching is what some folks call 'ability delay' but what I like to call ability 'hitching'.  What essentially happens is you press the button for an attack and the animation begins to fire off but then repeats itself, giving the animation the look like it is trying to activate twice.  Unfortunately I've noticed this most often on my melee characters and you definitely see it in the above video if you know what you're looking at.   This is actually a better video of what is happening and it works like this for a lot of skills, not just smash. 

    [mod edit]

  • mikahrmikahr Member Posts: 1,066

    Originally posted by ktanner3

    Originally posted by Soandsoso


    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    People who don't experience ability delay are clickers, ie: terribads.

    If you keybind and spam abilities, you will lose GCDs and cause casting lag. This has been confirmed by hundreds of people, myself included.

    This problem alone means SWTOR will never be an e-sport, and will never be taken seriously by proper PVPers.

     

    This made me laugh.

    Personally I'm glad that TOR isn't an e-sport. There are plenty of other MMos out there that cater to that playstyle.

    So that makes everything OK?

    Man, ability delay, skills no firing but still using CD/GCD, porting around, various exploits on skills.

    Yah, "not being e-sport" maks all that OK, and you seem to sound like its ecouraged.


    Originally posted by Mckiediz

     

    Yes, those who whine about some sort of ability delay don't even know the mechanic of what they are plaing. Also I am betting they don't understand or even look the settings properly. Even if you can adjust the queueing time, the SWToR's global cooldown is longer than most Mmo. No need to spam when it's still on

    Oh, yes, they are going out of their way to fix this "non-existing" stuff.

    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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