It's getting pretty tiresome to see a slew of negative comments when we haven't actually seen any images/footage of the game at all. Maybe reserve your judgement until we actually see some gameplay or actually hear more information about the game.
It will be interesting to see if ESO will mix themepark and sandbox elements together as because pure sandbox games are niche, while themepark too casual and the market is oversatured with such games.
People already have seen leaked Images and we know will be using Hero engine from Swtor... Welcome To Swtor 2.0
Do you understand what an engine is?? Just because they are using the Hero engine, does not mean it will be 'Swtor 2.0'....... I'm glad they are using the Hero engine. When I played TOR I was perfectly happy with the graphics, and was actually surprised at how well the engine ran through beta and launch. That being said, they don't have to use the same cell shaded graphics to utilize the Hero engine.
I'm almost afriad what they would do with this game, for one we don't need anymore WoW clones or ripoffs, we don't need anymore (STORY) based MMOs (looking at you TOR), for this to even to work , the franchise already has a built in fanbase proving that we don't need to chase or imitate WoW or its features, this could work as a hybrid MMO (sandbox/themepark) no 2 faction system, multi faction system 4 factions at least or count the races as factions, RvR DAOC style, consensual PVP, the ability to flag up or down, terrority control, lots of exploration, player based economny , social tools and social features, phased dungeons, open world dyanmic events and open world bosses. Crafting that matters, dyanmic resrouce system, and finally the kicker real player housing with the ability to decorate.
And for bonus naval combat on the high seas and sea monsters and underwater content. Krakern, Leviathan, Dragons, oh my!!(expansion stuff)
This MMO would really need to stand out from all the other clones to even make it and most of what I listed is a very good start.
"Hey guys, we're making Elderscrolls online finally, but we're going to use every feature from World of Warcraft. We'll have phasing, hotbar combat, a skill tree, meaningless pvp, heroic dungeons, and even raids. We know some ES fans wont' like it, but we have to do it because it's not possible to do FPS/ action combat, have housing, or use the same skill progression found in every other ES game in an MMO. Besides, no one would understand how to play it if it wasn't like World of warcraft. By the way, did we mention world of wardcraft? World of warcraft. World of warcraft."
^^An exceptionally accurate synapsis of that link^^
I'm having a really hard time believing what's in that link is real.
If they make it anything like WoW the fanbase that actually plays the TES games for what they are will definetely not like it going from having almost limitless freedom to a restricted enclosed small linear paths I really think it won't fly to well with fans of TES .
Realize that TOR used a heavily modified version of a really early build of hero engine. It essentially was no longer the hero engine. People tend to jump to the silliest of conclusions on this site, TOR means no other game can ever use the same engine to different results?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I enjoy the Elder Scrolls games; in fact I started a new character in Skyrim just a couple of weeks ago. But it's hard to believe that a MMO version of ES will be successful, for all the reasons mentioned in the article, and others not mentioned.
I don't know what the relationship is between Bethesda and the studio making the game... has Bethesda simply sold the rights to the game world/name in order make some money, or is Zenimax a subsidiary? This is an important question, because if Bethesda is going to stand behind the online version of the game, it means no more single player version of the game.
It's getting pretty tiresome to see a slew of negative comments when we haven't actually seen any images/footage of the game at all. Maybe reserve your judgement until we actually see some gameplay or actually hear more information about the game.
It will be interesting to see if ESO will mix themepark and sandbox elements together as because pure sandbox games are niche, while themepark too casual and the market is oversatured with such games.
People already have seen leaked Images and we know will be using Hero engine from Swtor... Welcome To Swtor 2.0
Do you understand what an engine is?? Just because they are using the Hero engine, does not mean it will be 'Swtor 2.0'....... I'm glad they are using the Hero engine. When I played TOR I was perfectly happy with the graphics, and was actually surprised at how well the engine ran through beta and launch. That being said, they don't have to use the same cell shaded graphics to utilize the Hero engine.
Currently the HeroEngine uses single threading and only supports DX9 which isn't great. There are planned releases supposedly for both multithreading and DX11 support. Who knows if ESO will get that, probably unlikely at this point seeing that the game appears to be already be in development. We have seen the Hero Engine in two released games only, one is SWTOR (which has some great style and art, however aesthetically it looked pretty poor IMO) and Faxion Online which was shutdown not long after release. The other games that use it have either been cancelled (Dominus, Hero's Journey) or yet to be released (The Repopulation and ESO).
So at this point I think it's ok for some people to have little faith in the HeroEngine. I will say that I am very glad they will not be using the Gamebryo engine or any iteration of it. Gamebryo always runs like crap on my pcs for some reason.
If this is a sandbox, count me interested. If this is YET ANOTHER level-grind, gear-based, heavily-instanced theme park, count me out as there are already too many of these.
Having read the scanned pages of the magazine article, I noticed that raids are in game. This does not bode well at all.
Looking at the magazine notes, It looks like another game that was in production too long. Looks like something that would have worked 4 years ago. The same old thing. I hate to say it, but it sure looks like your standard theme park mmo. ..
Hero engine has a lot of limitations, If this game indeed uses the hero engine, You can kiss a living breathing game world goodbye along with hopes of a sandbox type game.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Originally posted by toddze Hero engine has a lot of limitations, If this game indeed uses the hero engine, You can kiss a living breathing game world goodbye along with hopes of a sandbox type game.
The Repopulation says hi.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
WHat I don't understand is why bad MMO means killed IP... I for one wouldn't stop playing actual TEs games, if this turns out to be not so good.
Truth. Every decent IP has had its rough patches. This might be TES' low point. Too early to tell obviously, but so far, nothing they've shown or talked about interests me. But yeah, if it ends up a turd, you still have tons of great games from the IP and there will probably be more great ones in the future.
I think the biggest factor here is separate studios, Bethsoft no longer making TES games, would be like Square no longer making FF games, or Bioware no longer doing story focused games. It's what they've built their studio from, it's essentially their bread and butter.
To run with the Square example, it certainly seems that once they began developing MMOs as part of the primary Final Fantasy series, both the quality and quantity of the single player FF games suffered tremendously. While we can't know exactly to what extent their MMO focus was to blame versus all other factors, something definitely changed, and the fear that the same could happen to any other series is plausible.
I was excited to read the news, then i read the leaked magazine article.....
I said this in another thread @ the pub:
The may have used the TES title, they may have replicated some of the lore and world, they may have copied some of the races....But this after reading that article will be nothing like a TES game.
Its not FPS, its not free aim....its tab target and its not sandbox.
The very first sentence in the article describes how TES online will be scrutinized for being another WOW clone...that in itself is the worst possible thing to read from a long time ES fan, frankly...they wont be getting my money...i love the series, the lore, the world and most of all the sandbox aspects..the latter doesnt exist. What bothers me the most is that is faction based PVP and the capital city will be controlled by points, what i gather from that is points created from instanced based pvp, or specific area pvp...which is not sandbox at all.
FYI, dungeons...instanced...no housing initially. I mean looking at those screens i felt it was a preview for Dragon Age 3.
Have to say...at this point after reading it...I am beyond disapointed that Bethseda would sell the title rights without believing in the game, no way they would make this themselves.
Sad..Sad day in MMO gaming, this was the one title i said if it ever got made would change the MMO world..instead its replica of the same old games weve been playing for ages.
this is the biggest news of this MMO era.. Elder Scrolls.. one of if not the greatest RPG of our time.. is making a friggin MMO. so many questions.. so many......cant wait for more news.. this is dope.
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Hero engine has a lot of limitations, If this game indeed uses the hero engine, You can kiss a living breathing game world goodbye along with hopes of a sandbox type game.
The Repopulation says hi.
haha The repopulation can say hi once its released. Until then I have serious doubts about its claims.
Hero engine is a cheep P.O.S engine, it has no place being used in a high profile MMO. I said the same thing when I found out TOR used it. I was exteremly excited about an elder scrolls MMO, but hero engine would kill any hope for me. I dont have to hear or see any feature of this game to know that if it uses the hero engine that its just going to be another money grab attemp, by cashing in on a very popular franchise name.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
I was excited to read the news, then i read the leaked magazine article.....
I said this in another thread @ the pub:
The may have used the TES title, they may have replicated some of the lore and world, they may have copied some of the races....But this after reading that article will be nothing like a TES game.
Its not FPS, its not free aim....its tab target and its not sandbox.
The very first sentence in the article describes how TES online will be scrutinized for being another WOW clone...that in itself is the worst possible thing to read from a long time ES fan, frankly...they wont be getting my money...i love the series, the lore, the world and most of all the sandbox aspects..the latter doesnt exist. What bothers me the most is that is faction based PVP and the capital city will be controlled by points, what i gather from that is points created from instanced based pvp, or specific area pvp...which is not sandbox at all.
FYI, dungeons...instanced...no housing initially. I mean looking at those screens i felt it was a preview for Dragon Age 3.
Have to say...at this point after reading it...I am beyond disapointed that Bethseda would sell the title rights without believing in the game, no way they would make this themselves.
Sad..Sad day in MMO gaming, this was the one title i said if it ever got made would change the MMO world..instead its replica of the same old games weve been playing for ages.
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
To run with the Square example, it certainly seems that once they began developing MMOs as part of the primary Final Fantasy series, both the quality and quantity of the single player FF games suffered tremendously. While we can't know exactly to what extent their MMO focus was to blame versus all other factors, something definitely changed, and the fear that the same could happen to any other series is plausible.
I always felt the problems with FF's later entries was diverging from the core game-play they were known for, as well as the writing going stale. Not to mention horrible cohersion from game to game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'll keep an eye on it maybe, I decided to only get excited about game I've tried, actually that only applies to MMOs to be honest.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
It's getting pretty tiresome to see a slew of negative comments when we haven't actually seen any images/footage of the game at all. Maybe reserve your judgement until we actually see some gameplay or actually hear more information about the game.
It will be interesting to see if ESO will mix themepark and sandbox elements together as because pure sandbox games are niche, while themepark too casual and the market is oversatured with such games.
People already have seen leaked Images and we know will be using Hero engine from Swtor... Welcome To Swtor 2.0
I dont know if this is going to end up good or bad
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
dont start this negative guessing shit. you or nobody else have ANY idea what the game is like. wait for them to give more info.
I am sorry I am not into blind fanboy'ism, I look at the rumors and say it like it is, regaurdless of my great personal intrest in the elder scrolls. Blind fanboy'ism burnt me multiple times in the past, and I have learned from my mistakes. If the rumors are false so be it, Ill change my stance when theres facts, but that damn sure looks like the hero engine. I have a great Idea what the game will be like if its true.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
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Do you understand what an engine is?? Just because they are using the Hero engine, does not mean it will be 'Swtor 2.0'....... I'm glad they are using the Hero engine. When I played TOR I was perfectly happy with the graphics, and was actually surprised at how well the engine ran through beta and launch. That being said, they don't have to use the same cell shaded graphics to utilize the Hero engine.
I'm almost afriad what they would do with this game, for one we don't need anymore WoW clones or ripoffs, we don't need anymore (STORY) based MMOs (looking at you TOR), for this to even to work , the franchise already has a built in fanbase proving that we don't need to chase or imitate WoW or its features, this could work as a hybrid MMO (sandbox/themepark) no 2 faction system, multi faction system 4 factions at least or count the races as factions, RvR DAOC style, consensual PVP, the ability to flag up or down, terrority control, lots of exploration, player based economny , social tools and social features, phased dungeons, open world dyanmic events and open world bosses. Crafting that matters, dyanmic resrouce system, and finally the kicker real player housing with the ability to decorate.
And for bonus naval combat on the high seas and sea monsters and underwater content. Krakern, Leviathan, Dragons, oh my!!(expansion stuff)
This MMO would really need to stand out from all the other clones to even make it and most of what I listed is a very good start.
The Repopulation MMORPG (sucessor to Star Wars Galaxies) is using the Hero Engine as well.
If they make it anything like WoW the fanbase that actually plays the TES games for what they are will definetely not like it going from having almost limitless freedom to a restricted enclosed small linear paths I really think it won't fly to well with fans of TES .
Realize that TOR used a heavily modified version of a really early build of hero engine. It essentially was no longer the hero engine. People tend to jump to the silliest of conclusions on this site, TOR means no other game can ever use the same engine to different results?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I enjoy the Elder Scrolls games; in fact I started a new character in Skyrim just a couple of weeks ago. But it's hard to believe that a MMO version of ES will be successful, for all the reasons mentioned in the article, and others not mentioned.
I don't know what the relationship is between Bethesda and the studio making the game... has Bethesda simply sold the rights to the game world/name in order make some money, or is Zenimax a subsidiary? This is an important question, because if Bethesda is going to stand behind the online version of the game, it means no more single player version of the game.
Currently the HeroEngine uses single threading and only supports DX9 which isn't great. There are planned releases supposedly for both multithreading and DX11 support. Who knows if ESO will get that, probably unlikely at this point seeing that the game appears to be already be in development. We have seen the Hero Engine in two released games only, one is SWTOR (which has some great style and art, however aesthetically it looked pretty poor IMO) and Faxion Online which was shutdown not long after release. The other games that use it have either been cancelled (Dominus, Hero's Journey) or yet to be released (The Repopulation and ESO).
So at this point I think it's ok for some people to have little faith in the HeroEngine. I will say that I am very glad they will not be using the Gamebryo engine or any iteration of it. Gamebryo always runs like crap on my pcs for some reason.
Looking at the magazine notes, It looks like another game that was in production too long. Looks like something that would have worked 4 years ago. The same old thing. I hate to say it, but it sure looks like your standard theme park mmo. ..
http://xbigygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/QJrK5.jpg
Be creative! Then your game wont be old before it's released!!!!
I hate this editor...
"This would mean that an Elder Scrolls game in Matt’s hands will produce a very awesome PvP system."
Call me a hater, but didn't we hear the same thing about Warhammer Online?
Hero engine has a lot of limitations, If this game indeed uses the hero engine, You can kiss a living breathing game world goodbye along with hopes of a sandbox type game.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
http://xbigygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/QJrK5.jpg
-You cannot become a warewolf or a vampire.
-There is no Radiant AI because it would be too frustrating for players, so it doesn't look like NPCs will have routines.
-No player housing.
Looks like I'm going to be skipping this one.
i see alot of people getting hopeful that this is a "sandbox".
about the only thing we know about it suggests otherwise.
nothing screams "themepark" like being forced to play as one of X (3 in this case) pre-made factions.
its one of the most contrived anti-sandbox mechanics you can force on your players.
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I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
I've always viewed TES games as more closely resembling Themepark MMO's than sandbox MMO's.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
My Pros and Cons:
Pros:
Three faction PvP
Soft Trinity system
Hubless / freeform questing system
Both non-instanced & instanced dungeons
ES world and IP
Cons:
No radiant-AI (NPCs with no routines / permastuck at their vendor cart)
Class based
Yet another Tab-targeted hotbar combat system w/ a twist that will make it awesome this time no really trust us
No First Person
No Player Housing (no excuses at all for this)
To run with the Square example, it certainly seems that once they began developing MMOs as part of the primary Final Fantasy series, both the quality and quantity of the single player FF games suffered tremendously. While we can't know exactly to what extent their MMO focus was to blame versus all other factors, something definitely changed, and the fear that the same could happen to any other series is plausible.
I was excited to read the news, then i read the leaked magazine article.....
I said this in another thread @ the pub:
The may have used the TES title, they may have replicated some of the lore and world, they may have copied some of the races....But this after reading that article will be nothing like a TES game.
Its not FPS, its not free aim....its tab target and its not sandbox.
The very first sentence in the article describes how TES online will be scrutinized for being another WOW clone...that in itself is the worst possible thing to read from a long time ES fan, frankly...they wont be getting my money...i love the series, the lore, the world and most of all the sandbox aspects..the latter doesnt exist. What bothers me the most is that is faction based PVP and the capital city will be controlled by points, what i gather from that is points created from instanced based pvp, or specific area pvp...which is not sandbox at all.
FYI, dungeons...instanced...no housing initially. I mean looking at those screens i felt it was a preview for Dragon Age 3.
Have to say...at this point after reading it...I am beyond disapointed that Bethseda would sell the title rights without believing in the game, no way they would make this themselves.
Sad..Sad day in MMO gaming, this was the one title i said if it ever got made would change the MMO world..instead its replica of the same old games weve been playing for ages.
this is the biggest news of this MMO era.. Elder Scrolls.. one of if not the greatest RPG of our time.. is making a friggin MMO. so many questions.. so many......cant wait for more news.. this is dope.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
haha The repopulation can say hi once its released. Until then I have serious doubts about its claims.
Hero engine is a cheep P.O.S engine, it has no place being used in a high profile MMO. I said the same thing when I found out TOR used it. I was exteremly excited about an elder scrolls MMO, but hero engine would kill any hope for me. I dont have to hear or see any feature of this game to know that if it uses the hero engine that its just going to be another money grab attemp, by cashing in on a very popular franchise name.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
dont start this negative guessing shit. you or nobody else have ANY idea what the game is like. wait for them to give more info.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
I always felt the problems with FF's later entries was diverging from the core game-play they were known for, as well as the writing going stale. Not to mention horrible cohersion from game to game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'll keep an eye on it maybe, I decided to only get excited about game I've tried, actually that only applies to MMOs to be honest.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I dont know if this is going to end up good or bad
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
I am sorry I am not into blind fanboy'ism, I look at the rumors and say it like it is, regaurdless of my great personal intrest in the elder scrolls. Blind fanboy'ism burnt me multiple times in the past, and I have learned from my mistakes. If the rumors are false so be it, Ill change my stance when theres facts, but that damn sure looks like the hero engine. I have a great Idea what the game will be like if its true.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI