Yeah, this is sort of how I feel about it, if today's games are so full of "experiences" why do players try them out then quickly flee in droves leaving them barren wastelands?
I think its due to the lack of challenge that sends them on their way, there's just nothing to hold their interest in the long term.
Today's games provide varied experiences, but they're light on new experiences. New gameplay patterns are necessary for a game to be fun, and if too few of a game's patterns are genuinely new the game is probably going to fail to entertain for very long.
A lack of new experiences is just part of the larger issue of all these clones failing to exert enough game design muscle to create interesting, fun gameplay.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Ya I remember how long it took to level in DaoC and EQ. It fucking sucked 10 years ago and it would suck now if games were like that. That's why WoW hit it so big among MMO fans. The quest flow was unique for the time and it felt like leveling was fun again.
Now the WoW formula is the grind. Collect quests/do quests, repeat and developers are afraid to break from it. Even GW2 is the same shit with a different paint job.
I don't care if it takes a year to fully level a character as long as the journey is fun and not the same thing over and over. But if that game exists I've never heard about it.
In Conquer Online (which is purely grind) I almost got level cap of 2nd reborn lvl 132 after 3 years of playing. They raised the level cap to 140 which would have taken another year haha...games are so easy now at leveling. I am 42 on Tera now and I have barely gotten to play because of finals coming up next week. 18 more til cap haha think about if I had spent every waking hour playing like some of these people.
The irritating irony of it all is that once these ADD players get to max level in just a few days/weeks (after complaining it took them "so long to level"), they then start to complain there's nothing to do and/or leveling is too fast. There's no pleasing an ADD player.
Me, I want some old-school-takes-a-long-time-to-level MMO content to come out. If skill based only advancement is the answer, then bring it.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
Many people have lost their minds. They've replaced fun with completely mindless competition.
For instance, i was watching a guy streaming Tera recently and both he and his guildmates had been playing non-stop for around 2 or 3 days in an effort to get level 60 server firsts for their respective classes. I caught them towards the end of their run and by that time they were complaining of nausea and exhaustion while moaning about how torturous it was.... They voluntarily turned the game into a torturous experience rather than just playing the game for fun. It's pretty mind boggling.
Narcissism is so common these days that it has officially lost it's classification as a mental disorder. It is considered 'normal' now. Think about that....
EDIT: I forgot to mention that when they finally did reach level 60 there was barely a celebration. Mostly it was just more moaning and complaining before they went to pass out. What was the point?!
Nailed it! Thought this was a great post.
Hadn't heard about the Narcissism thing though, although I suspect it's related to Generation Y (Y do I need to work? Y isn't everything just handed to me? etc etc) You know who you are.....
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Today's games provide varied experiences, but they're light on new experiences. New gameplay patterns are necessary for a game to be fun, and if too few of a game's patterns are genuinely new the game is probably going to fail to entertain for very long.
A lack of new experiences is just part of the larger issue of all these clones failing to exert enough game design muscle to create interesting, fun gameplay.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Ya I remember how long it took to level in DaoC and EQ. It fucking sucked 10 years ago and it would suck now if games were like that. That's why WoW hit it so big among MMO fans. The quest flow was unique for the time and it felt like leveling was fun again.
Now the WoW formula is the grind. Collect quests/do quests, repeat and developers are afraid to break from it. Even GW2 is the same shit with a different paint job.
I don't care if it takes a year to fully level a character as long as the journey is fun and not the same thing over and over. But if that game exists I've never heard about it.
In Conquer Online (which is purely grind) I almost got level cap of 2nd reborn lvl 132 after 3 years of playing. They raised the level cap to 140 which would have taken another year haha...games are so easy now at leveling. I am 42 on Tera now and I have barely gotten to play because of finals coming up next week. 18 more til cap haha think about if I had spent every waking hour playing like some of these people.
I think many people are catching onto the idea that leveling is pointless. Skill based systems are the future.
The irritating irony of it all is that once these ADD players get to max level in just a few days/weeks (after complaining it took them "so long to level"), they then start to complain there's nothing to do and/or leveling is too fast. There's no pleasing an ADD player.
Me, I want some old-school-takes-a-long-time-to-level MMO content to come out. If skill based only advancement is the answer, then bring it.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
Nailed it! Thought this was a great post.
Hadn't heard about the Narcissism thing though, although I suspect it's related to Generation Y (Y do I need to work? Y isn't everything just handed to me? etc etc) You know who you are.....