Well, just since this is probably the only post I'd ever make on this subject, I'll just say this...
Don't buy the adventure packs.
It is true that SoE is trying to milk this game as much as they can, what with "/pizza" and these adventure packs. What are the odds that they aren't working on an expansion pack that will coincide with these "adventure packs"?
Look at their track record for SoE for further proof. They bought EQ1 (I personally thought it sucked, but...anyways) and put out an expansion pack every 6 months that just got worse, and worse, and worse, and worse and eventually the game basically crapped out like any real game and people started getting bored. I still equate the success of this game to just good timing as opposed to a solid game, since it was launched at just the right time to really launch.
They made Star Wars: Galaxies, and that thing right off the starting line acted like a motorized scooter in comparison to the indy cars that were (DAoC, AC1/2, EQ1, what have you) and that game never in my opinion recovered.
They made planetside, which by itself at launch was quite possibly the best game they've made, it was new, innovative, etc. But, sure enough, 6 months after release there was an expansion and then everything went downhill.....They quite literally NERFED the fun out of that game by adding more and more time sinks and not fixing game-breaking bugs/FPS issues and changing what needed to be changed in that kind of game, IE new environments to fight in.
And now we have EQ2. They have /pizza, these "adventure packs," and quite possibly a verritable plethora of other oddities as well. Their collectors edition/pre-order keys only work once, so if you delete the extra item you're screwed, you have to upgrade to the station access pass in order to have EIGHT characters as opposed to four across ALL servers when the standard across most, if not all other modern MMO's with little excpetion is 4-8-10 per server, up to 50 or more overall. To think SoE is not in it for the money moreso than any other company is pure ignorance on your part.
For the arguement that the access pass actually "saves" money, yeah, it does, if you currently own or plan to purchase EQ1 and all the various online oriented versions it offers or PS or SWG, which is OK if you do own those and want to continue playing them, but otherwise it is a cheap marketing ploy to further milk the name of Everquest.
The /pizza "feature" simply minimizes the game and opens a browser to Pizza Hut's site.
I could do that already. With any game.
Those of you who don't play the game, it's quite obvious. Most of you are posting the negative comments. The players seem to like it just fine.
As far as "most" gamers not playing it, "most" gamers aren't playing every game. The MMO market is huge now. No game has the majority of MMO players like EQ did 3-4 yrs ago.
Quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing misinformation posted by gimps in this forum. Go to general and discuss an MMO feature that's actually controversial, like AO offering free gameplay to gamers willing to put up with advertising in game.
Those who are playing EQ2 and don't like it don't have to buy it. Those who are not playing the game at all and don't like it can shut up.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
Originally posted by Phen No one said that SOE is not trying to fix the game and add content. They are. And no, you should not feel "ripped off" as they do this, of course. However, some of us has seen this again and again from this company. Sheesh, wasn't ording pizza in game enough to show you that there is a difference between a company making a profit, and one that is selling out? If not, great. You are playing the right game. And the expansions are a-coming, so start saving. Most gamers are not playing this game and these are some of the reasons why. The numbers speak volumes, and time will certainly tell as well. And for the poster claiming that anyone that does not aree with him that this is a good thing "has absolutely no idea what they are talking about", it is comments like that that only hurt yourself. But you will never believe me. Bottom line, I would hope you would consider things being offered as insight, not just try to defend them. If you want watch SOE crap in a cone and tell you to call it ice cream, good for you. The rest of us smell something funny.........
Do you see how rediculous this logic is? You agree that SOE and EQ2 is giving us everything any other MMO would give us for our $15 a month (and more than some if you look at patch notes to popular games you will see how many patches actually added content, and how many were just bug fixes). Yet you rebel against the idea that SOE will give us more than any other MMO has ever before, but you have to pay a little extra for it.
By your logic, if SOE came out and said "Yeah we're just gonna do some bug fixes, for the first four months, then maybe add another instance, and some raid level bosses. We'll keep that up for the first year"
You'd say SOE is a great company?? If SOE said, "We're going to do less for you, but you won't have to pay anymore for it" That sounds like a great plan to you? Do you realize how retarded that sounds? Do you see why maybe someone might say you're clueless when you make statements like that?
i dont think people will ever agree over adventure packs. theres people like me who see nothing wrong with them and like what they do and then theres those that just cant handle the fact that you may have to pay for large chunks of good content.
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It's a new, yet as usual, controversial idea from SOE. We'll just see how it works. Only thing I can think coming from this that may harm SOE is Blizzard making their own "trash talking ad" back at them. "Why go to EverPaying, when you can get massive amounts of content, zones, and events for free?". Watch it will happen!
Only thing is Blizzard needs to get back on track for its patching schedule after last month's debaucle.
Well, that and WoW has added all of what...2 dungeons since launch...and I believe that is IT. I've been playing since launch and now, comparing to the large free updates for EQ2, I'm a bit dissapointed! Spoiled by SoE...how strange.
Originally posted by Maabus1999 It's a new, yet as usual, controversial idea from SOE. We'll just see how it works. Only thing I can think coming from this that may harm SOE is Blizzard making their own "trash talking ad" back at them. "Why go to EverPaying, when you can get massive amounts of content, zones, and events for free?". Watch it will happen! Only thing is Blizzard needs to get back on track for its patching schedule after last month's debaucle.
Yeah that ad won't work so well since EQ2 has added a ton of more free content than WoW has. There are other ads that would work: "Why play a game that is trying to be WoW, play the original"
SOE has said that they are trying to make the game more casual/new user friendly, i.e. more like WoW.
Anyone read the article at gamespy? It talks about the new patch and how players in the EQ2 community will be seeing npc's carrying the plague, gms will be able to cause hordes of creatures to spawn depending on ones lvl.
Im really excited about this patch and I hope it turns out for the best.
SOE has said that they are trying to make the game more casual/new user friendly, i.e. more like WoW.
I don't think that's a totally fair argument as EQ2 was always intended to be more casual/new user friendly than EQ1.
However, I just hope they don't go as far as Blizzard did, WoW is far too casual/new user friendly. It's the first MMO I was bored with within the first month. To each their own though.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Originally posted by Abolish Anyone read the article at gamespy? It talks about the new patch and how players in the EQ2 community will be seeing npc's carrying the plague, gms will be able to cause hordes of creatures to spawn depending on ones lvl.
Im really excited about this patch and I hope it turns out for the best.
Thanks for mentioning that. I don't usually read Gamespy, but I must admit that is a thoroughly intriguing article. This should be very interesting.
Originally posted by TookyG Originally posted by Jodokai SOE has said that they are trying to make the game more casual/new user friendly, i.e. more like WoW. I don't think that's a totally fair argument as EQ2 was always intended to be more casual/new user friendly than EQ1. However, I just hope they don't go as far as Blizzard did, WoW is far too casual/new user friendly. It's the first MMO I was bored with within the first month. To each their own though.
Heh heh heh, lasted longer than most non MMO games though.
IMO if you spend more than 40-50+ hours a week playing WoW then you will get bored easily. For me, the leveling system is fast enough for me to not feal the grind even slightly, yet slow enough for it to last me at least 6 months before I get bored with it.
The one thing I like about WoW, if you are a hard-core gamer, you *will* hate it and leave the game and take your taint with you
I believe that MMO's in general (this is for all regardless of which MMO, including WoW) should try to break away from the DnD archetype for MMORPG games and find new formulae for damages, "criticals," health, etc...and need to sotp copying each other...
Also they should remove all grinds in the lower-to-mid level section and reserve them for the high-end section, and if you have no end-game content then it's not worth playing...
Hmm, those are the same arguments City of Heroes players use.
I don't know if it's fair or not, but SOE stated it pretty plainly in an interview that they wanted to make it less "hardcore" and more use friendly. The mentoring system is a good example of this. If you mentor someone their XP shoots up as fast as playing WoW. I was very dissappointed about the news, but most of the patches have been well done and nothing I would really say has made the game worse since release.
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Well, just since this is probably the only post I'd ever make on this subject, I'll just say this...
Don't buy the adventure packs.
It is true that SoE is trying to milk this game as much as they can, what with "/pizza" and these adventure packs. What are the odds that they aren't working on an expansion pack that will coincide with these "adventure packs"?
Look at their track record for SoE for further proof. They bought EQ1 (I personally thought it sucked, but...anyways) and put out an expansion pack every 6 months that just got worse, and worse, and worse, and worse and eventually the game basically crapped out like any real game and people started getting bored. I still equate the success of this game to just good timing as opposed to a solid game, since it was launched at just the right time to really launch.
They made Star Wars: Galaxies, and that thing right off the starting line acted like a motorized scooter in comparison to the indy cars that were (DAoC, AC1/2, EQ1, what have you) and that game never in my opinion recovered.
They made planetside, which by itself at launch was quite possibly the best game they've made, it was new, innovative, etc. But, sure enough, 6 months after release there was an expansion and then everything went downhill.....They quite literally NERFED the fun out of that game by adding more and more time sinks and not fixing game-breaking bugs/FPS issues and changing what needed to be changed in that kind of game, IE new environments to fight in.
And now we have EQ2. They have /pizza, these "adventure packs," and quite possibly a verritable plethora of other oddities as well. Their collectors edition/pre-order keys only work once, so if you delete the extra item you're screwed, you have to upgrade to the station access pass in order to have EIGHT characters as opposed to four across ALL servers when the standard across most, if not all other modern MMO's with little excpetion is 4-8-10 per server, up to 50 or more overall. To think SoE is not in it for the money moreso than any other company is pure ignorance on your part.
For the arguement that the access pass actually "saves" money, yeah, it does, if you currently own or plan to purchase EQ1 and all the various online oriented versions it offers or PS or SWG, which is OK if you do own those and want to continue playing them, but otherwise it is a cheap marketing ploy to further milk the name of Everquest.
Oh...now I've turned this into a rant...*shrug*
The /pizza "feature" simply minimizes the game and opens a browser to Pizza Hut's site.
I could do that already. With any game.
Those of you who don't play the game, it's quite obvious. Most of you are posting the negative comments. The players seem to like it just fine.
As far as "most" gamers not playing it, "most" gamers aren't playing every game. The MMO market is huge now. No game has the majority of MMO players like EQ did 3-4 yrs ago.
Quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing misinformation posted by gimps in this forum. Go to general and discuss an MMO feature that's actually controversial, like AO offering free gameplay to gamers willing to put up with advertising in game.
Those who are playing EQ2 and don't like it don't have to buy it. Those who are not playing the game at all and don't like it can shut up.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
Do you see how rediculous this logic is? You agree that SOE and EQ2 is giving us everything any other MMO would give us for our $15 a month (and more than some if you look at patch notes to popular games you will see how many patches actually added content, and how many were just bug fixes). Yet you rebel against the idea that SOE will give us more than any other MMO has ever before, but you have to pay a little extra for it.
By your logic, if SOE came out and said "Yeah we're just gonna do some bug fixes, for the first four months, then maybe add another instance, and some raid level bosses. We'll keep that up for the first year"
You'd say SOE is a great company?? If SOE said, "We're going to do less for you, but you won't have to pay anymore for it" That sounds like a great plan to you? Do you realize how retarded that sounds? Do you see why maybe someone might say you're clueless when you make statements like that?
i dont think people will ever agree over adventure packs. theres people like me who see nothing wrong with them and like what they do and then theres those that just cant handle the fact that you may have to pay for large chunks of good content.
Schutzbar - Human Warrior - Windrunner Alliance - World of Warcraft
Nihilanth - Kerra Paladin - Blackburrow - EverQuest II
XBL Gamertag - Eagle15GT
I paid $8 for a bottle of water at a concert once.
WTF are you guys complaining about?
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LOL dude you RULE!
It's a new, yet as usual, controversial idea from SOE. We'll just see how it works. Only thing I can think coming from this that may harm SOE is Blizzard making their own "trash talking ad" back at them. "Why go to EverPaying, when you can get massive amounts of content, zones, and events for free?". Watch it will happen!
Only thing is Blizzard needs to get back on track for its patching schedule after last month's debaucle.
Well, that and WoW has added all of what...2 dungeons since launch...and I believe that is IT. I've been playing since launch and now, comparing to the large free updates for EQ2, I'm a bit dissapointed! Spoiled by SoE...how strange.
Yeah that ad won't work so well since EQ2 has added a ton of more free content than WoW has. There are other ads that would work: "Why play a game that is trying to be WoW, play the original"
SOE has said that they are trying to make the game more casual/new user friendly, i.e. more like WoW.
Im really excited about this patch and I hope it turns out for the best.
I don't think that's a totally fair argument as EQ2 was always intended to be more casual/new user friendly than EQ1.
However, I just hope they don't go as far as Blizzard did, WoW is far too casual/new user friendly. It's the first MMO I was bored with within the first month. To each their own though.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Heh heh heh, lasted longer than most non MMO games though.
IMO if you spend more than 40-50+ hours a week playing WoW then you will get bored easily. For me, the leveling system is fast enough for me to not feal the grind even slightly, yet slow enough for it to last me at least 6 months before I get bored with it.
The one thing I like about WoW, if you are a hard-core gamer, you *will* hate it and leave the game and take your taint with you
I believe that MMO's in general (this is for all regardless of which MMO, including WoW) should try to break away from the DnD archetype for MMORPG games and find new formulae for damages, "criticals," health, etc...and need to sotp copying each other...
Also they should remove all grinds in the lower-to-mid level section and reserve them for the high-end section, and if you have no end-game content then it's not worth playing...
Hmm, those are the same arguments City of Heroes players use.
I don't know if it's fair or not, but SOE stated it pretty plainly in an interview that they wanted to make it less "hardcore" and more use friendly. The mentoring system is a good example of this. If you mentor someone their XP shoots up as fast as playing WoW. I was very dissappointed about the news, but most of the patches have been well done and nothing I would really say has made the game worse since release.