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A little surprised by graphics and weird UI
Creslin321
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I played D3 for a few hours last night, and I'm not going to give my final impressions of the game before I have more time with it, but I wanted to say I was a bit surprised by the graphics and some weird UI quirks.
The graphics really aren't that good...they seriously look just marginaly better than Torchlight 1 and basically on par with Torchlight 2. I was pretty shocked by this because you really expect a top quality product from Blizzard especially considering how long this game has been worked on.
Also, I found some aspects of the UI to be very strange...
I was playing with my buddy last night, and he picked up a new bow and wanted to shoot it. It literally took us like 20 minutes to figure out how to fire the bow. In order to use your equipped weapon you have to:
1. Go to the options menu.
2. Go to the gamplay tab.
3. Check some box that says "Elective" or something like that.
4. Drag a skill you currently have equipped off the hotbar.
...Now I don't know about you, but doesn't that seem just a bit excessive to attack with the freaking weapon you have equipped? I get that D3 is completely based on skills and basic attack essentially sucks, but there's always this innate desire to "play with your new toy" when you find a cool new weapon. I don't know why they made this so difficult.
Also, your skills are completly "locked" into categories until you check that elective thing as well...which I think is kind of crazy. It's like the game assumes we are stupid and won't know what to do with our skills if it gives us the ability to assign them as we wish out of the box.
Does anyone else feel the same about the graphics and the UI?
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I did not expect mutch but got suprised in how good the game actualy is. I guess people on this forums have nothing good to say about every game that gets released, its always complain complain complain. I mean people expect the perfect game, there is just no such thing as that, yea some games are better then others, but there are 2 things you can do 1 you can enjoy the games that are out there 2 you can complain about every game that comes out and never have fun because you expect something that just does not excist (yet)
I have to agree with you, the UI options do sound weird.
But I have to question the quoted text above. Really? You thought the graphics would be better?
Everquest II, Release Date: 11/8/04:
WoW, Release Date: 11/23/04:
Note: I'm not talking asthetics here, that is subjective. In a purely graphics comparison, WoW looks like a PS1 game while EQ2 looks like a PS3 game. I guess my point is Blizzard's never been much for cutting edge graphics
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
I understand and agree with the point you are making but saying EQ2 looks like a PS3 game is just blatently wrong.
If you seriously believe that the graphics are "marginally better" then in Torchlight 1, then you need to get your eyes checked out. Torchlight 1 has poor, low quality graphics. Aesthetic wise it's okay and fits the game, but technically wise it's pretty damn poor. AS a disclaimer, graphics =/= aesthetics, so be clear as to what you mean.
I haven't been playing around with Elective Mode yet, so I can't really comment on that. I figure that I will finish the game first with the standard settings. The game is pretty much made so you can finish it that way, so I want to try it out and get a feeling for the champions first. The game by the way doesn't think that "you are stupid", but it's meant for newcommers to the Diablo series. A lot of players are new, so this way they have some structure.
You're right, been saying that for awhile but watch out for the fanbois.
The graphics are really disappointing. If you look at the dark3 graphics mod by comparison, D3's graphics are muddy and blurry, simply craptastic. Why in the heck did they blur the graphics?! Why no option to turn that crap off?! It's just ridiculous.
And yes, the UI is garbage. You'll be thinking you're switching one thing and accidentally switch another. It's the most user-unfriendly system I've seen.
IMHO, they picked up some idiots along the way somewhere who don't know what they're doing.
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Yeah that's true, you make a good point about the graphics. Still, I felt like SC2's graphics were perfect for what it was. I guess i just expected a bit more detail in the models for D3. If you zoom in, they really don't look that much better than WoW models...I just thought it was a bit odd. I guess I expected D3 to be "premium" on every level considering Torchlight 2 with be $20 or so and D3 is $60
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Nevertheless, I am still enjoying the game despite my complaints. I'm not here to rampantly spew hate, I just was not impressed by the graphics and the UI and wanted to see if anyone felt the same.
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"The graphics really aren't that good...they seriously look just marginaly better than Torchlight 1"
stopped reading here.
obvious troll is obvious.
http://egamer.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Torchlight-1.jpg
http://www.diablo-3.net/wp-content/gallery/screenshots/ss28-hires.jpg
seriously dude, get a new pc or new glasses.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Oh I feel the same way, I just wasn't expecting them to be good
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
I didn't literally mean EQ2 is on par with PS3 games, it was an analogy.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
as said above, if your gfx suck you should concider getting rid of that voodoo gfx card.
i know voodoo rocked in their days, but those days are over.
try to buy a dx11 card and while you are at it, buy a flatscreen too. those old monitors suck.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
You're entitled to your opinion, but that's what I honestly think. Here are some screenshots of the two games:
TL
D3
Is D3 better? Yes obviously. But does it really look "next-gen" when compared to TL? I really dont' think so. It's got a darker grittier style that may appeal to some people, but technical wise, I just don't think the graphics are that much better.
They are passable, I'm just saying I expected more.
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Only problem I have with the UI is that Elective mode is counter intuitive and you pretty much have to fiddle with it on your own to realize how to move skills into slots they're not meant to be in. Also, I'm running the game in 1680x1050. Surely you can fit more than 3 currently running friend games at the same time without making me scroll through them with on-screen arrows when there's clearly enough room to stack them up further.
It's obvious that the D3 pic is much better, but it's also obvious that the d3 pic isn't very good. That's blizzard for you though so meh, you never get what you pay for.
Why do the 'graphics' have to be overclocked to the highest possible maximum setting? I've never understood by the graphics engine of every game needs to run on alien technology from the future. It does not necessarily make the game look better.
In regards to the above screenshot comparisons, I honestly can never discern the . . . what's the word? The quality? The strength? I don't know, I can never tell how amazing a game's graphic engine is. I look at the EQ2 SS and all I see is a turd from the 8th level of MMO Hell. WoW might be a little dated, but their silhouettes are iconic, their textures are well-painted (mostly the new ones, the old ones are muddy as hell), and their style is overall timeless.
But I am of the opinion that stylization is always better than realism. Art degree and all that. /shrug
But back on the subject, why does the tech specs HAVE to always be so amazingly high? Why can't the game jsut look good? If it looks good, why should it matter?
I played TL2 and D3 yesterday, minutes apart. They looking absolutely worlds apart graphically. You have to be blind to think otherwise, you just have to be.
I never played TL1, but I saw my gf play it, and it looked nothing like that top screenshot. And TL2 looks nothing like that. Honestly it's graphics are the most laughable cartoony wow-looking mess I've seen in a long time. I like the game honestly, but the graphics? Not even close to that.
This is what I see most the time: http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/t/torchlight_2-_gamescom_2010_trailer_hd-396701-1282207997.jpeg
I totally agree with the OP's comments. Graphics are subpar for a 2012 release. Completely unacceptable for an iteration in this series.
As for the above supposed screenshot of TL2, I am going to call BS on that. Looks like a jpeg that's been saved 1000 times over. Definitely not accurate at all. You're entitled to your own opinion, but when you post obvious fabrications it really serves no one and just spreads misinformation.
I think a lot of people who complain about the graphics must be people with ATI cards and so have trouble to get AA to work properly.
I think D3 graphics look pretty decent (nothing like Skyrim or the like), but decent. I run on max settings and have a NVIDIA card.
Are there known issues with ATI cards running this game?
In wich game aren't there known issues with ATI cards? lol.
I have always been a dedicated fan of ATI cards, but ever since after the Radion 9xxx series it has gone steep downhill with ATI, specifically with their Catalyst drivers.
I am not saying NVidia has no driver issues, but those are far and few between compared to the issues with ATI cards each and every time!
Last year I tried to buy an ATI card again, just to check it out if things had improved, within 2 days I returned it and exchanged it for a NVidia card again!
Never ever will I buy an ATI card again.
Interesting. I've had the exact opposite experience since going to ATI. Unless there is a known issue with the card running this game, it doesn't really help to speculate with such little info to go on.
you 'piece of excrement' fanboys need to go away seriously. I've seen PoE, and it looks like sacred 1.
i also wouldl ike to note with its low graphics it wont even run too well on lower end machines. not only does it not look all that great, it also is optimized badly. from what i have seen running it should be running 60+ on laptops with newer APU's but it hardly breaks 45
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<p><b>I understand and agree with the point you are making but saying EQ2 looks like a PS3 game is just blatently wrong.</b></p>
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<p>I didn't literally mean EQ2 is on par with PS3 games, it was an analogy.</p>
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EQ2 looked amazing for its day...at least the screenshots did. Once you actually saw those awesome images start moving, I wanted to vomit. The animations were just god-awful stiff and painful to watch. The griffin taxi was especially painful. Literally looked like someone took a stuffed, dead griffin and only made its wings flap up and down.
On the other hand, WoW looked like a cartoon in pictures. But when you actually played it, the world felt far more alive and interesting to me. Characters moved fluidly with good secondary motion...the animation for the flying taxis looked so good. Repetitive, to be sure, but the whole animal moved in response to flight...it looks alive..not like a stuffed parakeet.
Add to that that each zone had such an individualized look, cartoonish but interesting. I remember the first time I visited the second night elf region (across the water) with its black sky dispute the apparent sun...just really a cool place t visit. This abilit to take concept art by great artists and really capture the feel of that work and get into a games pace is such a rare ability, IMHO. So few companies pull it off (Okami comes to mind).
I like cartoons, I like realism. I like both as long as they are well done. Vanilla WoW was extremely well done. Everquest was built to take good screenshots, but that's as far as its visual quality went.
Diablo III's painterly feel is really growing on me. I think I like it a long. But to be honest, I am not feeling the lighting all that much. I would have liked to see the darker areas darker, and flame lit regions to be brighter and perhaps more color saturated...really put the light and heat in that area. Overall, the lighting just feels flat.
Look up paintings by Caravaggio and others from the baroque period, painterly but with very dynamic lighting themes. I think this would have been a great visual look for D3.....and while they got the painterly part perfect...not so much on the dynamic lighting aspect.
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