Both Diablo 3 and GW2 are Buy-To-Play, they have prices of similar maginitude, they are multiplayer, they are PC-games and they are RPGs. That's a lot of thing in common that warrants a comparison between the two; however, as I said earlier: this is not the thread for that, since the thread is about MMORPGs specifically.
Furthermore, due to how SWTOR has been called a Co-op RPG and people compare to SWTOR, comparing to Diablo III becomes even more interesting.
Zelda is Buy-to-play, if you pay someone for a used copy for $60 its of similar magnitude, you can play it multiplayer, you can play it on the PC (with an emulator) and its an rpg... get my point? Same thing with mario kart, if you role play as mario beating the other racers. Just because there are similarities it does not always warrant a comparison; I mean, compare a red car to a red apple, there's a similarity and a comparison.
D3 is not an mmorpg, GW2 is. Compare D3 to other arpgs not mmorpgs; let's keep our games within their respective genres.
Zelda stands further away to the MMORPG genre than Diablo III does, specially since heavily instanced games such as SWTOR still counts as "MMORPG", so there is larger merit to compare to Diablo III than it would be to compare to Zelda. The distance does matter.
Edit: Furthermore, just because something doesn't belong to the exact genre, it doesn't mean it is pointless comparing them. In the Single-Player world, games from different genres are compared very often, specially when it comes to competitions such as "Game of the Year".
Both Diablo 3 and GW2 are Buy-To-Play, they have prices of similar maginitude, they are multiplayer, they are PC-games and they are RPGs. That's a lot of thing in common that warrants a comparison between the two; however, as I said earlier: this is not the thread for that, since the thread is about MMORPGs specifically.
Furthermore, due to how SWTOR has been called a Co-op RPG and people compare to SWTOR, comparing to Diablo III becomes even more interesting.
Zelda is Buy-to-play, if you pay someone for a used copy for $60 its of similar magnitude, you can play it multiplayer, you can play it on the PC (with an emulator) and its an rpg... get my point? Same thing with mario kart, if you role play as mario beating the other racers. Just because there are similarities it does not always warrant a comparison; I mean, compare a red car to a red apple, there's a similarity and a comparison.
D3 is not an mmorpg, GW2 is. Compare D3 to other arpgs not mmorpgs; let's keep our games within their respective genres.
Zelda stands further away to the MMORPG genre than Diablo III does, specially since heavily instanced games such as SWTOR still counts as "MMORPG", so there is larger merit to compare to Diablo III than it would be to compare to Zelda. The distance does matter.
that depends on what characteristics you are choosing. I'm just simply keeping the games within their genres. D3 is an arpg, GW2 is an mmorpg. SWTOR is an mmorpg, Zelda is not. Actually, if you wanted to compare D3 to anything, you should compare it to Zelda (way better than D3) and even to pokemon.
Silliness aside (comparing arpg's to mmorpgs), after playing D3 for myself, I have to say it is def not worth $60; sure, the graphics are pretty good and I'me even sure the game is fun to play, but for $60? no way!
Edit: I understand what your saying about game of the year, but this thread is about mmorpgs, not games in general
Originally posted by Meowhead Soooooo.... way back. In the day. Before SWTOR came out... I suggested that while SWTOR will probably be the new MMORPG with the most subscriptions, I thought that GW2 had a good chance of beating it in total box sales.Some people seemed to think that was a wholly unreasonable proposition to make, since SWTOR was Bioware + Star Wars and hence unbeatable.Now that SWTOR's launch has come and gone, and we have a general idea of how many boxes they've sold (More than 2 million, less than 3 million), how reasonable do you think it is that GW2 will be able to beat that?Is there any other MMORPG that came out last year or is coming out this year that will have even higher box sales? Tera? TSW? RIFT?Alternatively, what sort of things do you think GW2 has to do by release to assure that it actually DOES sell a lot of copies? Especially taking into account what we know so far by the Beta Weekend Event.
I think GW2 will get a lot of perfect scores from review sites. This will definitely help. I can see it outselling SWTOR. I dont see it outselling MoP in 2012. Eventually, it will outsell most titles just like GW1 did over the course of several years. I would be surprised if it outsells Rifts total sales for 2011/2012 simply because Rift goes on sale all the time for as little as 5 bucks and it has most of 2011 ahead of GW2. D3 is its own beast and its just out of control. TSW will grab a mil by the end of 2012.
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nothing this year will come even close to D3 Sales.
i cant name1 person i know who didnt buy D3.
i can only name 1 person who did preorder GW2 and kept it. (me and 2 other cancelled)
i bought D3 and im super happy with it currently being DH 53 in hell and i think GW2 will sell good but the chatastrophic beta weekend did nothing good for GW2 sales.
d3 may not be a MASSIVE mrpg but its a mrpg D3 is not
You are a little confused. D3 had a terrible release! GW2s BWE was awesome and did nothing negative for sales.
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you are gamers, people who play mmorpgs, not people with investments in them. can you please stop the whole comparing game sales its really getting on my tits. really every thread on this site is the same.
does selling tons of copies of a game really matter? no, aslong as there is enough people to populate some servers and keep it alive who gives a monkey.
what really matters is which is the better game. swtor is without doubt the worst sequel to a game series ever created. they took one of THE best rpg series and turned it into a soulless WoW clone. Another cashgrab for EA off the sinking ship that is bioware.
if gw2 sells more does that mean its a better game? No, otherwise twilight is the best film of 2011, and WoW the best mmorpg there ever will be. GW2 will be a better game for ton of other reasons.
I have no idea why D3 is even brought up here. It IS NOT a mmo and has nearly zero cross over into the mmo genre. Lots of people can play it and it is online? Well who the f#ck cares. Most games now are designed for online play. It is just the way things are now. Companies won't be 100% happy until all their games they make are entirely cloud/server side. That is because of copy rights. Developer/distrubutors hate, hate, HATE anyone having ANY code what so ever on thier computers. They want 100% control and they are moving toward that. THAT is the ONLY reason why games are moving in that direction. Not because of the Kool-Aid you drank believing it offers more in gaming and turns any game into an mmo.
Mmo's attract a specific crowd. The players who stick it out for years in mmo's tend to play only one mmo at a time and even sometimes play NO other games. D3 is not that type of game and does not cross over well into those type of players. I can attest to this because all my mmo friends who I have played with for years (some since Asheron's Call) have neither bought D3 or have even mentioned it's existence in our conversations ... even while playing older mmo's just for fun because there is nothing of interest since quitting Swtor (Lotro is what we headed back to for now). The other games they play are war games (WWII through modern, rts and fps and are also FINALLY listening to me and sticking with the proven classics they love and stopping buying all cloned sequals that offer nothing new in gameplay).
So for those saying EVERYONE bought D3 ... you are completely obtuse and ignorant to reality. I have no interest in D3, none of my friends have interest in it and I have heard zero talk in any of my general circles of associations (I work in IT so I am surrounded by geeks and gamers but granted I haven't gone out of my way to ask). D3 isn't as wide spread as you think although I understand it's success (baffles me ... but I understand the stats).
Personally my complete disgust with Blizzard is the primary reason I wouldn't buy D3 even on top of my total lack if interest in it. Blizzard is now dominated by Activisions dedication in pumping out unoriginal genre clones for quarterly gain reports. I see D3 as exactly that along with why Wow has ruined itself and the mmo industry (due to other companies like EA following the same business model of brand name genre cloning).
Sadly the lemmings keep on drinking that warm Kool-Aid.
So for those saying EVERYONE bought D3 ... you are completely obtuse and ignorant to reality. I have no interest in D3, none of my friends have interest in it and I have heard zero talk in any of my general circles of associations (I work in IT so I am surrounded by geeks and gamers but granted I haven't gone out of my way to ask). D3 isn't as wide spread as you think although I understand it's success (baffles me ... but I understand the stats).
Personally my complete disgust with Blizzard is the primary reason I wouldn't buy D3 even on top of my total lack if interest in it. Blizzard is now dominated by Activisions dedication in pumping out unoriginal genre clones for quarterly gain reports. I see D3 as exactly that along with why Wow has ruined itself and the mmo industry (due to other companies like EA following the same business model of brand name genre cloning).
Sadly the lemmings keep on drinking that warm Kool-Aid.
6.3 million lemmings. And this thread was started by a GW2 fan wanting to compare sales for the two games. Looks like he picked the wrong game to compare box sales to.
you are gamers, people who play mmorpgs, not people with investments in them. can you please stop the whole comparing game sales its really getting on my tits. really every thread on this site is the same.
does selling tons of copies of a game really matter? no, aslong as there is enough people to populate some servers and keep it alive who gives a monkey.
what really matters is which is the better game. swtor is without doubt the worst sequel to a game series ever created. they took one of THE best rpg series and turned it into a soulless WoW clone. Another cashgrab for EA off the sinking ship that is bioware.
if gw2 sells more does that mean its a better game? No, otherwise twilight is the best film of 2011, and WoW the best mmorpg there ever will be. GW2 will be a better game for ton of other reasons.
I cant speak for everyone but I can tell you why I care. This is my reasoning, and you may not agree with some of the things I say in reference to games but thats okay.
When I see lackluster games selling extremely well, I know then that it says to the industry that this is great! And we all want more of that. Same for great and innovative games. I smile when I see a great game sell well. Gives me hope that the industry may move forward.
Then when something like D3 sells as well as it has, I get highly annoyed. Mostly because I dont want to see other games thinking that online only is okay and good to do. Now, because gamers have gobbled it up, we probably will. That is extremely unfortunate for a game that has a single player mode.
Meanwhile if GW2 is as good as it appears to be, I hope it sells loads. So the industry as a whole will take notice.
But my reasons aside, there's nothing wrong with being a fan of any kind of product, and being interested in how well it sells. If something you like sells well, it means there will be new additions for it, or new models later on, etc etc. Which gives you something to look forward too.
Soooooo.... way back. In the day. Before SWTOR came out... I suggested that while SWTOR will probably be the new MMORPG with the most subscriptions, I thought that GW2 had a good chance of beating it in total box sales.
Some people seemed to think that was a wholly unreasonable proposition to make, since SWTOR was Bioware + Star Wars and hence unbeatable.
Now that SWTOR's launch has come and gone, and we have a general idea of how many boxes they've sold (More than 2 million, less than 3 million), how reasonable do you think it is that GW2 will be able to beat that?
Is there any other MMORPG that came out last year or is coming out this year that will have even higher box sales? Tera? TSW? RIFT?
Alternatively, what sort of things do you think GW2 has to do by release to assure that it actually DOES sell a lot of copies? Especially taking into account what we know so far by the Beta Weekend Event.
Why does it matter which games are the top sellers? Seriously why?
Are people looking to pick the popular game because they want to sit with the popular people? Or is it run away from the popular game because that's so cool.
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Soooooo.... way back. In the day. Before SWTOR came out... I suggested that while SWTOR will probably be the new MMORPG with the most subscriptions, I thought that GW2 had a good chance of beating it in total box sales.
Some people seemed to think that was a wholly unreasonable proposition to make, since SWTOR was Bioware + Star Wars and hence unbeatable.
Now that SWTOR's launch has come and gone, and we have a general idea of how many boxes they've sold (More than 2 million, less than 3 million), how reasonable do you think it is that GW2 will be able to beat that?
Is there any other MMORPG that came out last year or is coming out this year that will have even higher box sales? Tera? TSW? RIFT?
Alternatively, what sort of things do you think GW2 has to do by release to assure that it actually DOES sell a lot of copies? Especially taking into account what we know so far by the Beta Weekend Event.
Why does it matter which games are the top sellers? Seriously why?
Are people looking to pick the popular game because they want to sit with the popular people? Or is it run away from the popular game because that's so cool.
Read the post above your responce by Corehaven. I thought it was a good enough reason to care.
GW2 is B2P not a P2P, so u cant make a comparison with a P2P MMO, you should do it with a B2P game like D3, and still at least at launch it doesnt look like gw2 will hit more than 1 mill of sells. Here on MMORPG people love the game, but in the real world, people have a lot of doubts with the game.
I have no idea why D3 is even brought up here. It IS NOT a mmo and has nearly zero cross over into the mmo genre. Lots of people can play it and it is online? Well who the f#ck cares. Most games now are designed for online play. It is just the way things are now. Companies won't be 100% happy until all their games they make are entirely cloud/server side. That is because of copy rights. Developer/distrubutors hate, hate, HATE anyone having ANY code what so ever on thier computers. They want 100% control and they are moving toward that. THAT is the ONLY reason why games are moving in that direction. Not because of the Kool-Aid you drank believing it offers more in gaming and turns any game into an mmo.
Mmo's attract a specific crowd. The players who stick it out for years in mmo's tend to play only one mmo at a time and even sometimes play NO other games. D3 is not that type of game and does not cross over well into those type of players. I can attest to this because all my mmo friends who I have played with for years (some since Asheron's Call) have neither bought D3 or have even mentioned it's existence in our conversations ... even while playing older mmo's just for fun because there is nothing of interest since quitting Swtor (Lotro is what we headed back to for now). The other games they play are war games (WWII through modern, rts and fps and are also FINALLY listening to me and sticking with the proven classics they love and stopping buying all cloned sequals that offer nothing new in gameplay).
So for those saying EVERYONE bought D3 ... you are completely obtuse and ignorant to reality. I have no interest in D3, none of my friends have interest in it and I have heard zero talk in any of my general circles of associations (I work in IT so I am surrounded by geeks and gamers but granted I haven't gone out of my way to ask). D3 isn't as wide spread as you think although I understand it's success (baffles me ... but I understand the stats).
Personally my complete disgust with Blizzard is the primary reason I wouldn't buy D3 even on top of my total lack if interest in it. Blizzard is now dominated by Activisions dedication in pumping out unoriginal genre clones for quarterly gain reports. I see D3 as exactly that along with why Wow has ruined itself and the mmo industry (due to other companies like EA following the same business model of brand name genre cloning).
Sadly the lemmings keep on drinking that warm Kool-Aid.
Diffrent strokes for different folks but calling people lemmings because they don't conform to your views really doesn't help get your point across....
oh and btw to both of you calling 6.3 millon of us lemmings well I'm one too 8P
you are gamers, people who play mmorpgs, not people with investments in them. can you please stop the whole comparing game sales its really getting on my tits. really every thread on this site is the same.
does selling tons of copies of a game really matter? no, aslong as there is enough people to populate some servers and keep it alive who gives a monkey.
what really matters is which is the better game. swtor is without doubt the worst sequel to a game series ever created. they took one of THE best rpg series and turned it into a soulless WoW clone. Another cashgrab for EA off the sinking ship that is bioware.
if gw2 sells more does that mean its a better game? No, otherwise twilight is the best film of 2011, and WoW the best mmorpg there ever will be. GW2 will be a better game for ton of other reasons.
I cant speak for everyone but I can tell you why I care. This is my reasoning, and you may not agree with some of the things I say in reference to games but thats okay.
When I see lackluster games selling extremely well, I know then that it says to the industry that this is great! And we all want more of that. Same for great and innovative games. I smile when I see a great game sell well. Gives me hope that the industry may move forward.
Then when something like D3 sells as well as it has, I get highly annoyed. Mostly because I dont want to see other games thinking that online only is okay and good to do. Now, because gamers have gobbled it up, we probably will. That is extremely unfortunate for a game that has a single player mode.
Meanwhile if GW2 is as good as it appears to be, I hope it sells loads. So the industry as a whole will take notice.
But my reasons aside, there's nothing wrong with being a fan of any kind of product, and being interested in how well it sells. If something you like sells well, it means there will be new additions for it, or new models later on, etc etc. Which gives you something to look forward too.
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So for those saying EVERYONE bought D3 ... you are completely obtuse and ignorant to reality. I have no interest in D3, none of my friends have interest in it and I have heard zero talk in any of my general circles of associations (I work in IT so I am surrounded by geeks and gamers but granted I haven't gone out of my way to ask). D3 isn't as wide spread as you think although I understand it's success (baffles me ... but I understand the stats).
Personally my complete disgust with Blizzard is the primary reason I wouldn't buy D3 even on top of my total lack if interest in it. Blizzard is now dominated by Activisions dedication in pumping out unoriginal genre clones for quarterly gain reports. I see D3 as exactly that along with why Wow has ruined itself and the mmo industry (due to other companies like EA following the same business model of brand name genre cloning).
Sadly the lemmings keep on drinking that warm Kool-Aid.
6.3 million lemmings. And this thread was started by a GW2 fan wanting to compare sales for the two games. Looks like he picked the wrong game to compare box sales to.
I don't think the OP was comparing it to two games...Maybe I don't understand what you are saying here. I'm sorry if I'm confused.
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GW2 is B2P not a P2P, so u cant make a comparison with a P2P MMO, you should do it with a B2P game like D3, and still at least at launch it doesnt look like gw2 will hit more than 1 mill of sells. Here on MMORPG people love the game, but in the real world, people have a lot of doubts with the game.
But D3 isn't an MMO...Why not just compare Call of Duty to GW2? They aren't the same genre and that is what the OP was going for.
Do you have a reference to "the real world"? I want to ask these people about their doubts!
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I think it will initially sell really well, but not enough to make fanboys brag about it. If the game is as fun for everybody as it was for me during the beta weekend, then over time I expect a noticeable increase in people willing to give it a go.
Wow, just reading the last page of this thread.. seems a little hostile.
ANYWHO.. my 2 cents worth. GW2 will be the biggest selling MMORPG of this year. It will not sell as well as SWTOR at first, but when all said and done, believe it will in about 9 months. I see a good surge of 1 to 2 million to start with, and then about 1 to 2 million more in the next year. Got a good feeling that GW2 will really come into it's own as it ages. I hate to say the "W" word, but can see it doing about the same... though not quite as extreme.
Oh, and about Diablo 3.. it isnt a MMORPG, it has nothing to do with the sales of GW2. Yeah, you have to be on line (wich I HATE HATE HATE), but it is not persistant. It having sold over 6 million copies is good for my platform of choice, but the DRM is a bad thing. I hope other companies realize that they dont have the followers that Bliz has and know they cant get a free ride with that bs.
No matter what, even if you hate GW2 and the "hype" or whatever, please realize that if it does good, that is just more incentive for more games on the computer. Everyone here wins then!
So for those saying EVERYONE bought D3 ... you are completely obtuse and ignorant to reality. I have no interest in D3, none of my friends have interest in it and I have heard zero talk in any of my general circles of associations (I work in IT so I am surrounded by geeks and gamers but granted I haven't gone out of my way to ask). D3 isn't as wide spread as you think although I understand it's success (baffles me ... but I understand the stats).
Personally my complete disgust with Blizzard is the primary reason I wouldn't buy D3 even on top of my total lack if interest in it. Blizzard is now dominated by Activisions dedication in pumping out unoriginal genre clones for quarterly gain reports. I see D3 as exactly that along with why Wow has ruined itself and the mmo industry (due to other companies like EA following the same business model of brand name genre cloning).
Sadly the lemmings keep on drinking that warm Kool-Aid.
6.3 million lemmings. And this thread was started by a GW2 fan wanting to compare sales for the two games. Looks like he picked the wrong game to compare box sales to.
Yes and most will learn their mistake in following companies who spend maximum effort on minimal originality. I was referring to buyers in general terms and highlighting the fact that many doe not share interest in D3 and mmo's like GW2 as many have infered. Guess you missed the entire point and that I wan't addessing the OP in any way.
6.3 million is expected and good for them. Having no interest in a game does not mean I hate it or wish something fails like many seem to imply when voicing disinterest. This still has nothing to do with the cancer growing in game development. Gaming is software and where software and internet interacts (basically everywhere now) it becomes an entirely more viralent issue of ownership and copy right laws. Honestly that is still the tip of the iceberg when touching internations laws and differing governement regulations (but not worth getting into now). The entire point is how all this affects how large companies like EA and Activision work.
The VAST majority of gamers still have no concept of this and how it is affecting the industry. They buy the product name and believe the marketing. Those companies pay massive amounts of money making people see what they want to believe and at best believe what the companies want to believe. This isn't some conspiracy theory ... it is just advertising but it leads to the current crop of glossy video game distributions akin to glossy pulp publications and renaming 138 differing American Idle type programs making people think everything new is actually new and relevant.
Anyone who can honestly say that D3 is the game it would be if Blizzard was 100% independent today is someone I would call a complete and total lier. The very point D3 is selling well (and everyone knew it would sell well) is why their business model progresses. Certainly enjoy your D3 but be aware that the only reason why it isn't D8 by now is because of Blizzards indi roots and ethics that still linger. Don't think Activision won't further direct future development efforts as a direct result of this as has already been done with D3's design. This is the reason behind the soon to be world of D6, CoD18, Halo 15, etc etc. PC and platform gaming is slowly becoming nothing more smart phone game cloning ... if the consumer lets it.
I mean hell ... even if a side note but still related ... if a company actually gave a shit about their game why would a game like Wow (making so much money at it's peak that it could fund a new AAA mmo by blizzard per year) take 6 months to a year to balance or fix one damn skill and take 2 years before significant content to be released? Where did all that money go? Must have been Star Craft, Diablo sequals and all those other original IP's Bliz has been pumping out like mad ... oh wait ...
Gotta love you guys comparing GW box sales and saying iy had over 6 million fans. A few years ago GW was on the counter of every software shop for 1 buck and guess what i bought it loaded it up and said what a load of rubbish and uninstaled it. I wonder how many of them 6 million did the same thing.
Oh and i didnt buy D3 or GW2 just so you can add my name to the none buyers lol
and the 2nd Best selling MMO of all time behind WoW, in terms of total sales not current subs.
Only because it has no sub fee....
If it happens, it won't be only because of no sub, but that would obviously help it. It has to be a good game in the long run also tho.
I never played GW, recently had a look at some of the previews for GW2, watched some youtube vids and thought 'hey this looks really good' bougt the game in time for stress test and played for a few hours
- the game is really awesome IMO - good enough that many people will encourage their friends to give it a go much like what happened with WoW.
The fact it doesn't have a sub will enhance more people to buy it and also help with disillusioned MMO's players of late.
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Zelda stands further away to the MMORPG genre than Diablo III does, specially since heavily instanced games such as SWTOR still counts as "MMORPG", so there is larger merit to compare to Diablo III than it would be to compare to Zelda. The distance does matter.
Edit: Furthermore, just because something doesn't belong to the exact genre, it doesn't mean it is pointless comparing them. In the Single-Player world, games from different genres are compared very often, specially when it comes to competitions such as "Game of the Year".
that depends on what characteristics you are choosing. I'm just simply keeping the games within their genres. D3 is an arpg, GW2 is an mmorpg. SWTOR is an mmorpg, Zelda is not. Actually, if you wanted to compare D3 to anything, you should compare it to Zelda (way better than D3) and even to pokemon.
Silliness aside (comparing arpg's to mmorpgs), after playing D3 for myself, I have to say it is def not worth $60; sure, the graphics are pretty good and I'me even sure the game is fun to play, but for $60? no way!
Edit: I understand what your saying about game of the year, but this thread is about mmorpgs, not games in general
I think GW2 will get a lot of perfect scores from review sites. This will definitely help. I can see it outselling SWTOR. I dont see it outselling MoP in 2012. Eventually, it will outsell most titles just like GW1 did over the course of several years. I would be surprised if it outsells Rifts total sales for 2011/2012 simply because Rift goes on sale all the time for as little as 5 bucks and it has most of 2011 ahead of GW2. D3 is its own beast and its just out of control. TSW will grab a mil by the end of 2012.
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You are a little confused. D3 had a terrible release! GW2s BWE was awesome and did nothing negative for sales.
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again why the fuck do people care so much?
you are gamers, people who play mmorpgs, not people with investments in them. can you please stop the whole comparing game sales its really getting on my tits. really every thread on this site is the same.
does selling tons of copies of a game really matter? no, aslong as there is enough people to populate some servers and keep it alive who gives a monkey.
what really matters is which is the better game. swtor is without doubt the worst sequel to a game series ever created. they took one of THE best rpg series and turned it into a soulless WoW clone. Another cashgrab for EA off the sinking ship that is bioware.
if gw2 sells more does that mean its a better game? No, otherwise twilight is the best film of 2011, and WoW the best mmorpg there ever will be. GW2 will be a better game for ton of other reasons.
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I have no idea why D3 is even brought up here. It IS NOT a mmo and has nearly zero cross over into the mmo genre. Lots of people can play it and it is online? Well who the f#ck cares. Most games now are designed for online play. It is just the way things are now. Companies won't be 100% happy until all their games they make are entirely cloud/server side. That is because of copy rights. Developer/distrubutors hate, hate, HATE anyone having ANY code what so ever on thier computers. They want 100% control and they are moving toward that. THAT is the ONLY reason why games are moving in that direction. Not because of the Kool-Aid you drank believing it offers more in gaming and turns any game into an mmo.
Mmo's attract a specific crowd. The players who stick it out for years in mmo's tend to play only one mmo at a time and even sometimes play NO other games. D3 is not that type of game and does not cross over well into those type of players. I can attest to this because all my mmo friends who I have played with for years (some since Asheron's Call) have neither bought D3 or have even mentioned it's existence in our conversations ... even while playing older mmo's just for fun because there is nothing of interest since quitting Swtor (Lotro is what we headed back to for now). The other games they play are war games (WWII through modern, rts and fps and are also FINALLY listening to me and sticking with the proven classics they love and stopping buying all cloned sequals that offer nothing new in gameplay).
So for those saying EVERYONE bought D3 ... you are completely obtuse and ignorant to reality. I have no interest in D3, none of my friends have interest in it and I have heard zero talk in any of my general circles of associations (I work in IT so I am surrounded by geeks and gamers but granted I haven't gone out of my way to ask). D3 isn't as wide spread as you think although I understand it's success (baffles me ... but I understand the stats).
Personally my complete disgust with Blizzard is the primary reason I wouldn't buy D3 even on top of my total lack if interest in it. Blizzard is now dominated by Activisions dedication in pumping out unoriginal genre clones for quarterly gain reports. I see D3 as exactly that along with why Wow has ruined itself and the mmo industry (due to other companies like EA following the same business model of brand name genre cloning).
Sadly the lemmings keep on drinking that warm Kool-Aid.
You stay sassy!
6.3 million lemmings. And this thread was started by a GW2 fan wanting to compare sales for the two games. Looks like he picked the wrong game to compare box sales to.
I cant speak for everyone but I can tell you why I care. This is my reasoning, and you may not agree with some of the things I say in reference to games but thats okay.
When I see lackluster games selling extremely well, I know then that it says to the industry that this is great! And we all want more of that. Same for great and innovative games. I smile when I see a great game sell well. Gives me hope that the industry may move forward.
Then when something like D3 sells as well as it has, I get highly annoyed. Mostly because I dont want to see other games thinking that online only is okay and good to do. Now, because gamers have gobbled it up, we probably will. That is extremely unfortunate for a game that has a single player mode.
Meanwhile if GW2 is as good as it appears to be, I hope it sells loads. So the industry as a whole will take notice.
But my reasons aside, there's nothing wrong with being a fan of any kind of product, and being interested in how well it sells. If something you like sells well, it means there will be new additions for it, or new models later on, etc etc. Which gives you something to look forward too.
Why does it matter which games are the top sellers? Seriously why?
Are people looking to pick the popular game because they want to sit with the popular people? Or is it run away from the popular game because that's so cool.
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Read the post above your responce by Corehaven. I thought it was a good enough reason to care.
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GW2 is B2P not a P2P, so u cant make a comparison with a P2P MMO, you should do it with a B2P game like D3, and still at least at launch it doesnt look like gw2 will hit more than 1 mill of sells. Here on MMORPG people love the game, but in the real world, people have a lot of doubts with the game.
Diffrent strokes for different folks but calling people lemmings because they don't conform to your views really doesn't help get your point across....
oh and btw to both of you calling 6.3 millon of us lemmings well I'm one too 8P
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I don't think the OP was comparing it to two games...Maybe I don't understand what you are saying here. I'm sorry if I'm confused.
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GW2 will become the best selling MMO in 2012,
and the 2nd Best selling MMO of all time behind WoW, in terms of total sales not current subs.
Only because it has no sub fee....
But D3 isn't an MMO...Why not just compare Call of Duty to GW2? They aren't the same genre and that is what the OP was going for.
Do you have a reference to "the real world"? I want to ask these people about their doubts!
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yes - that and GW2 is a very cool game.
I think it will initially sell really well, but not enough to make fanboys brag about it.
If the game is as fun for everybody as it was for me during the beta weekend, then over time I expect a noticeable increase in people willing to give it a go.
If it happens, it won't be only because of no sub, but that would obviously help it. It has to be a good game in the long run also tho.
probably , but Gw2 STILL HAVENT BEEN RELEASED , only pre-purchased ppl can count ....
wait 1 month after release ....and then we can talk
<--- i prepurchased gw2 the first day
Wow, just reading the last page of this thread.. seems a little hostile.
ANYWHO.. my 2 cents worth. GW2 will be the biggest selling MMORPG of this year. It will not sell as well as SWTOR at first, but when all said and done, believe it will in about 9 months. I see a good surge of 1 to 2 million to start with, and then about 1 to 2 million more in the next year. Got a good feeling that GW2 will really come into it's own as it ages. I hate to say the "W" word, but can see it doing about the same... though not quite as extreme.
Oh, and about Diablo 3.. it isnt a MMORPG, it has nothing to do with the sales of GW2. Yeah, you have to be on line (wich I HATE HATE HATE), but it is not persistant. It having sold over 6 million copies is good for my platform of choice, but the DRM is a bad thing. I hope other companies realize that they dont have the followers that Bliz has and know they cant get a free ride with that bs.
No matter what, even if you hate GW2 and the "hype" or whatever, please realize that if it does good, that is just more incentive for more games on the computer. Everyone here wins then!
Yes and most will learn their mistake in following companies who spend maximum effort on minimal originality. I was referring to buyers in general terms and highlighting the fact that many doe not share interest in D3 and mmo's like GW2 as many have infered. Guess you missed the entire point and that I wan't addessing the OP in any way.
6.3 million is expected and good for them. Having no interest in a game does not mean I hate it or wish something fails like many seem to imply when voicing disinterest. This still has nothing to do with the cancer growing in game development. Gaming is software and where software and internet interacts (basically everywhere now) it becomes an entirely more viralent issue of ownership and copy right laws. Honestly that is still the tip of the iceberg when touching internations laws and differing governement regulations (but not worth getting into now). The entire point is how all this affects how large companies like EA and Activision work.
The VAST majority of gamers still have no concept of this and how it is affecting the industry. They buy the product name and believe the marketing. Those companies pay massive amounts of money making people see what they want to believe and at best believe what the companies want to believe. This isn't some conspiracy theory ... it is just advertising but it leads to the current crop of glossy video game distributions akin to glossy pulp publications and renaming 138 differing American Idle type programs making people think everything new is actually new and relevant.
Anyone who can honestly say that D3 is the game it would be if Blizzard was 100% independent today is someone I would call a complete and total lier. The very point D3 is selling well (and everyone knew it would sell well) is why their business model progresses. Certainly enjoy your D3 but be aware that the only reason why it isn't D8 by now is because of Blizzards indi roots and ethics that still linger. Don't think Activision won't further direct future development efforts as a direct result of this as has already been done with D3's design. This is the reason behind the soon to be world of D6, CoD18, Halo 15, etc etc. PC and platform gaming is slowly becoming nothing more smart phone game cloning ... if the consumer lets it.
I mean hell ... even if a side note but still related ... if a company actually gave a shit about their game why would a game like Wow (making so much money at it's peak that it could fund a new AAA mmo by blizzard per year) take 6 months to a year to balance or fix one damn skill and take 2 years before significant content to be released? Where did all that money go? Must have been Star Craft, Diablo sequals and all those other original IP's Bliz has been pumping out like mad ... oh wait ...
You stay sassy!
Gotta love you guys comparing GW box sales and saying iy had over 6 million fans. A few years ago GW was on the counter of every software shop for 1 buck and guess what i bought it loaded it up and said what a load of rubbish and uninstaled it. I wonder how many of them 6 million did the same thing.
Oh and i didnt buy D3 or GW2 just so you can add my name to the none buyers lol
I never played GW, recently had a look at some of the previews for GW2, watched some youtube vids and thought 'hey this looks really good' bougt the game in time for stress test and played for a few hours
- the game is really awesome IMO - good enough that many people will encourage their friends to give it a go much like what happened with WoW.
The fact it doesn't have a sub will enhance more people to buy it and also help with disillusioned MMO's players of late.