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Main reason why SWTOR flopped?
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Of course you're having fun! No really, the game is fun and people should play it (im not saying pay for it, f*ck that) because just like D3, its fun as heck. So everyone saying theyre having a good time, well there ain't nothing wrong with that.
It flopped because over two hundred fucking million DOLLARS went into its development and all we get is a god damn single player rpg filled with cutscenes and voice acting. Jesus christ YOU CAN DEFEND THE GAME...
People are mad because with such a huge IP with a huge budget, huge companies, they thought something greater would come out of it.
F*ck no. But i would play it for free lol
my thoughts exactly
Main issue for me: it's a linear one-player game with multi-player characterisitcs.
Other:
1) Mismanagement of IP.
2) EA/Bioware ignorance to Beta testers (i.e. Founders Title anounced after Beta testers addressed such a thing and where told to pound sand)
3) Lying to customers (i.e. graphics bug)
4) Game is crap.
That about sums it up...
Yea Id probably play it as F2P myself. Yet at the same time I wonder if I'd even get past level 30. Oh Im a completionist to a degree. But I sometimes wonder how long I would last in that game. Not sure how much of the same repetition I could take.
From my short time in Beta, I really didnt find the holy grail of a "story" all that great either. It was okay. Wasn't bad. I wouldnt call it amazing either.
Best part of Swtor as far as I could tell? The opening game cinematic. I think Bioware should have just made a CGI movie instead. They seemed to do a decent job at that at least. I'd pay for that. The game? Nah.
No. If that was the case The Old Republic would be a far better game. They copied some elements but not all of them or even the right ones. Rift is what I call a game that copied the best of World of Warcraft and then put their own spin. Trion Worlds did it right. They set out to make a MMO though. Bioware slapped the Star Wars license on a what was previously not a MMO and tried to force it into being one. No this might have worked but Bioware is a single player RPG company.
What bothers me most about The Old Repbulic is that it is possibly the cause for why Warhammer Online ended up the way it did (before and after release). EA at some point started pulling Mythic staff off that game and then on to The Old Republic.
It's also possible the Bioware put themselves in a bubble. Not carrying about what the standard for a MMO was but focused on what they wanted to create. That people would just accept it because they're Bioware.
Wow, can you please check that you actually played SWTOR?
Not feeling like playing a SW character - I don't know what you were expecting, how you thing a SW character should have felt like. I started beta (and later with early access) with a smuggler. And I straightaway felt like... well, not Han Solo but his dirty, down on his luck step-brother.
Maybe you just wanted too much to play Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker and when you found out that it is not that type of SW game you were, well, not happy?
Jumping - I had some issues with my bodytype 3 human males - which was confirmed by other players as being the case for them to but that was mostly colision detection i.e. the body just couldn't get close enough to a wall.
But jumping worked usually fine for all bodytypes I tried. Maybe lag or a controller issue on your end?
Meaningless PvP - care to enlighten us when was the last time that you've seen "meaningful" PvP in a MMO?
Okay, sorry, let me change that question: which MMO game over the last 5 years has/had according to you "meaningful" PvP?
Right, I honestly think part of your issue is not understanding the galactic situation:
Rep and Imp had just faced each other in a galaxy spanning war. Now, thanks to a treaty "peace" exists.
Well, a Cold War peace where "former" enemies still watch each other, where small clashes may still occur, but where most warring is done by proxy (Alderaan conflict).
So, if you were hoping for a game where you have 100s of Imps jumping of dropships and 100s of Reps manning their turrets, well, you are in the wrong game.
Go play some SW FPS if you can find one.
WZ set you up to fight against your own faction? Oh.... kay...
No contested zones on planets? Ah... yes...
You know pretty much all of what you are saying there shows that either you haven't played the game - which according to you is NOT the case - or you have ignored/dumbed out? many of the aspects of SWTOR?
I mean I agree, a real persistant battleground which resources etc. would be great, but this is something where many games just drop the ball. I'd give SWTOR the time to figure out what it actually needs to do with certain aspects, and then test again.
So to you the Smuggler and the Bounty Hunter were pretty much pointless.
An interesting point if one considers that the Smuggler has the Imperial Agent as a mirror class and the Bounty Hunter the Trooper... and apparently you had no problem with either of these?
Could it be that oce more you fail to understand the history that SWTOR is set against?
Bounty Hunters (Mandalorians) were allies to the Sith Empire actually creating a major blockade in republic space.
This blockade was broken by - drumroll please - Smugglers.
So neither Smuggler nor Bounty Hunter are those freelancers you maybe would like them to be - the Smuggler actually becomes a privateer with the blessings of the Republic - so really, I think you just didn't get what these roles stand for. But that is okay... *rolls eyes*
The reason is in the name, Old Republic.
We wanted to play in the New Republic star wars, not in an unknown timeline.
Care to define "MMO"?
Because by ALL definitions I've come across SWTOR is just as much (or as little) a MMO as pretty much each other MMO...
Fantastic, so your are basing your "review" on hear-say as you've actually never played SWTOR?
Jeez.... can I make a suggestion: go try a free weekend trial for SWTOR and then come back!
guarantee he will come back with the same complaints so really doesn't matter in the least.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
You followed this game for three years when you could have been playing Star Wars Galaxies...well. lucky for you, you still can.
edit: Yes, you still can.
just throwing it out there... according to EA's own website, SWTOR is an mmorpg
http://www.ea.com/star-wars-the-old-republic
I seriously cant maintain my presence in this community any longer...its full of trolls.
I have to completely disagree with you. Going back 5000 years (I think that's right) gives them more story options. Having a million Jedi in SWG didn't make any sense and was pretty stupid, but is totally okay in the Old Republic
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Any chance that they may have "banked" on the idea of adding a personal story to each class? And on making quest accepting a bit more involving than - start 16 bit music file - portrait of questgiver shows up - show text: Hello XYZ, I have a quest for you. Please do this. Please click now on "accept". - Accept button appears.
I'm sorry, I like the quest/personal story setup - including cutscenes... it has been a tradition in RPGs for ages.
You don't like it? Don't play a RPG!
its not that I don't like RPGs, I just don't like SWTOR... simple as that. It was poorly put together and horribly executed; its just an all around very bad game... IMHO
After buying SWTOR and playing it, I cancelled my sub and haven't played ever since. Been playing Age of Empires 3 while I wait for GW2.
The combat is boring.
The storyline's are awful.
And that's only part of the issue. The questing is awful and stale, the game doesn't feel alive and feels like you're just talking to a bunch of robots programmed to stand around and do nothing except for that one quest.
They basically copied WoW with slightly better combat animations and that just isn't good enough anymore.
The only thing about this game that I kind of like is the companions and crafting systems, and that's only assuming they've made the crafting useful by this point, aside from Biochem and such.
This game just isn't worthy of the Star Wars name. Period.
The stuff they plan on adding within the first year should have been there at launch to keep up with what people expect to be in a mmo game. They thought that the killer story line would be enough. It wasn't but it was a great new feel to the mmo scene. If the let curse gaming start doing add ons for the game it would help a lot to fill some of the gaps needed for now. Then they will see what players want more in the game also.
Agreed
When I think of why I quit the game, the thing that keeps coming to mind is all the damn running. It took long runs at inadaquate runspeeds through dead cities or starports to travel anywhere, and on top of it, we're locked out of using our speeder for half the run.
I don't know if it's really the reason why I quit, but I think it affected how long I was willing to deal with other problems. When a player feels frustrations about things that shouldn't be an issue, it really takes away from the rest of the game.
I think it also reflects poorly on the developers that they are either unable or unwilling to recognize that wasting my time does not add to the immersion of the world, in fact it makes me recognize that I am wasting my time, and, therefore, takes away from the immersion.
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GAH no no no! NONO. I don't think that's the problem at all, having the personal story shit and being involved wiht quests is great. The problem is...THATS THE ONLY FUCQING THING THEY PUT IN THE GAME.
it has been a tradition in MMORPG's for ages to have much more fukcing content, not cut out all the awesome bits of a game, slap on a $60 price tag and let fans drool all over it.
i wouldnt doubt something went wrong between the devs and EA about this. Bioware i'm sure had some really really awesome shit planned. Im just gonna imagine it was EA that made things change for the worse....yes...yes..let us believe...
SW;TOR wasnt a 'success' imo for several reasons, one of which was lack of variation in the game, of which what choices there were, were fairly bland, although the storyline behind them wasnt bad, the implementation of those classes tended to be a bit boring at times.
Tthats not to say that several of the classes worked pretty well, but without much real variation, there was little point in running through the game more than 2, maybe 3 times and that was the other problem, end game, there were 2 factors imo, that spoiled the end game factor, one of which was the games lack of grouping tools to actually make the end game more streamlined and less 'annoying' though the end game content itself could certainly use a hell of a lot of work, especially the PVP side of it, though not limited to just that. And then there was the enforced seperation of players, MMO's should be just that, other players being around too, to be able to form groups with them just for the more 'mundane' content sometimes, would make that content 'less mundane' but with so much seperation it made the game worlds appear empty (unless they really were empty!!)
So while the game may have been an MMO, it certainly didnt play like one, which is probably why so many accusations of the game being a 'single player game' were being made, because playing it, thats how it would appear. and with all that seperation not to mention instancing seperating areas so often, its hard to see how the game could have appeared otherwise.
All those zones, were they really necessary, i've never played a game that had so many zones, just travelling to a trainer could mean zoning 2 or 3 times at least, so that it would seem that so much time was spent travelling between zones rather than actually doing something, it would have been far better to have a instant travel method that didnt have a 30 minute cooldown, sometimes even a 5 minute cool down would be too much
Space, if going to have an on rails tunnel shooter, at least have a bit more variation in it, reusing the same ones over again with more targets to shoot at, gets old very fast, and its single player only, so no reason to do them other than the rewards for doing so, if anything it emphasised the single player nature of the game and was far from challenging.
So while the storyline was at times very good, the fact that the game itself, from a gameplay standpoint, was bordering on mediocre, was a definite let down, can the game be saved.. i really don't know.. it might be that nothing they do now can save the game, at this late stage its hard to turn a game around and its unclear if Bioware/EA even know how to, or even if the game engine itself can even support the things that need to be done in order to do so.