Having played most of the mmo's that have been released in the last 10 years I have decieded to stick with swtor for the time being. Unless DAOC comes back from the dead. WOW stops playing with panda's and pokemon. Or Eve online brings back and finishes Incarna (IE walking in stations) It seems that there is no other reasonable choice but for me to stick with SWTOR.
Yes I have seen and read about all the doom and gloom. Server merger's, Layoffs, ect... and I don't really care.. I was there when the player base whined about claas imbalance, radar, speed hacks, and how noone liked the trials of atlantis that killed DAOC. I was there when The SWG higher ups decieded to try to become more like wow. I was there when goonswarm decieded to suicide gank anyone mining hi-sec ice fields. And most others whined about a 75$ monicle and not being able to spin you ship in a circle in your docking bay.
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.
So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.
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Did ya really need to insult the person for sticking with something they wanna play? I would think the mature thing to do would be to wish them well, and go about your business.
You should read his post again. He's hardly mature in paragraph 3 where he insults every player who would like to see mmos improve instead of the same dross churned out every few months.
I don't agree with why he's staying with TOR since he's still supporting a company that totally squandered the best IP in the world and takes to extremes everything he complains about in other games. That sounds a bit hypocritical to me but it's his money.
I do agree with his paragraph 3 though. Gamers are as much to blame as the companies.
Gamers have no say. None. They can scream, yell and cry all they want. But they cannot do more than have their tantrums.
All decisions are made by the developer. The developer bears all responsibility for those decisions. If they chose to listen to players, that too is their choice. If they chose to mold their games on what they perceive players to want, that too is their choice. When it comes to SWTOR, it's clear BioWare built BioWare's game. The minor things, like LFG and what-not, are trivial issues in what is wrong with this game. Here's the deal:
Fans didn't demand a crappy engine and blocking-calls to lag combat into oblivion.
Fans didn't demand FedEx and Kill 10 Rats quests.
Fans didn't demand the whole game be voiced (BioWare made that choice before fans heard about the the game).
Fans didn't demand the game ship without standard features.
Fans didn't demand horrible customer service.
Fans didn't demand only human characters (with silly cosmetic differences).
Fans didn't demand BioWare be hostile to grouping.
Fans didn't demand Open World PvP be so segregated that it rarely happens on PvP servers.
Fans didn't demand far too many, too slow loading screens.
Fans didn't demand all the instancing.
Fans didn't demand no appearance tabs.
Fans didn't demand no meaningful guild and social options beyond 'friends list' functionality.
Fans didn't demand a lack of meaningful guild objectives.
Fans didn't demand to look all a like and have every story play alike no matter the choices.
Fans didn't demand BioWare not fix bugs present since early Beta...
Fans didn't demand lousy, uninspired raids.
Fans didn't demand worthless crafting.
Fans didn't demand the nerfing of the ONE decent craft skill.
Fans didn't demand the segregation of inherently neutral classes -- soldiers, bounty hunters, smugglers and agents by faction.
Fans didn't demand badly written stories with such horrible plot and immersion issues that they were frequently jarring in their errors and plot holes and, therefore, ineptly executed beyond belief.
And I could go on for a long time. This thread (The Unsubscribers Thread) talks, in great detail, to all the various failings of the game and why people quit by the hundreds of people who did quit: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=444571
And 'listening to fans' isn't exactly high on the list. Not listening to fans who were trying to get basic functionality in the game is, however, on the list.
I don't agree with why he's staying with TOR since he's still supporting a company that totally squandered the best IP in the world and takes to extremes everything he complains about in other games. That sounds a bit hypocritical to me but it's his money.
I do agree with his paragraph 3 though. Gamers are as much to blame as the companies.
Gamers have no say. None. They can scream, yell and cry all they want. But they cannot do more than have their tantrums.
All decisions are made by the developer. The developer bears all responsibility for those decisions. If they chose to listen to players, that too is their choice. If they chose to mold their games on what they perceive players to want, that too is their choice. When it comes to SWTOR, it's clear BioWare built BioWare's game. The minor things, like LFG and what-not, are trivial issues in what is wrong with this game. Here's the deal:
Fans didn't demand a crappy engine and blocking-calls to lag combat into oblivion.
Fans didn't demand FedEx and Kill 10 Rats quests.
Fans didn't demand the whole game be voiced (BioWare made that choice before fans heard about the the game).
Fans didn't demand the game ship without standard features.
Fans didn't demand horrible customer service.
Fans didn't demand only human characters (with silly cosmetic differences).
Fans didn't demand BioWare be hostile to grouping.
Fans didn't demand Open World PvP be so segregated that it rarely happens on PvP servers.
Fans didn't demand far too many, too slow loading screens.
Fans didn't demand all the instancing.
Fans didn't demand no appearance tabs.
Fans didn't demand no meaningful guild and social options beyond 'friends list' functionality.
Fans didn't demand a lack of meaningful guild objectives.
Fans didn't demand to look all a like and have every story play alike no matter the choices.
Fans didn't demand BioWare not fix bugs present since early Beta...
Fans didn't demand lousy, uninspired raids.
Fans didn't demand worthless crafting.
Fans didn't demand the nerfing of the ONE decent craft skill.
Fans didn't demand the segregation of inherently neutral classes -- soldiers, bounty hunters, smugglers and agents by faction.
Fans didn't demand badly written stories with such horrible plot and immersion issues that they were frequently jarring in their errors and plot holes and, therefore, ineptly executed beyond belief.
And I could go on for a long time. This thread (The Unsubscribers Thread) talks, in great detail, to all the various failings of the game and why people quit by the hundreds of people who did quit: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=444571
And 'listening to fans' isn't exactly high on the list. Not listening to fans who were trying to get basic functionality in the game is, however, on the list.
I agree with everything you said but you took me a little too literally. Unfortunately we do have to count the "casuals" as gamers.
WOW came in and changed everything. It caters to casuals and that's all fine, WOW remains the top game because of that but something went awry with WOW. Somewhere along the way the shear number of casuals deemed sandbox features as taboo. Being a sandbox fan became an insult. Then enough of those casuals kept demanding their game become less and less time consuming. WOW was happy to oblige and that's fine for WOW but it didn't stop with WOW.
Other companies started wanting that success and all they seen was this large mass of loud casuals demanding speed and ease in their games and laughing down anyone suggesting complexity. All the market research pointed at making another game like WOW. What the companies failed to realize is casuals by definition don't want to have to spend the time starting over. They already have WOW and have maxed their characters out. They don't have the time to do it all again in some other game, especially if it's the same mechanics as WOW.
Another problem arised with casuals not knowing they already have their game. They keep jumping for joy at every new game like LOTR, Rift, TOR and others and they keep buying those games, but they keep finding out they are nothing but the same things they already have in WOW, so why should they spend the time they don't have starting over or much less having to keep pace with more than one game.
With maybe TOR being the exception because of it's huge production cost, the companies all know the casuals will jump on every new title and cover the production cost early so there is little risk if the companies keep producing a sure thing casual centered game.
Simply put, companies aren't going to take risk in trying to innovate anything new when they know they can depend on short term success because gamers will not stand up and say no more of the same things by forcing companies to produce good different gameplay before a profit is achieved.
All that might only make sense to myself but I'm all that matters anyway
HAHA.....I am staying because I am staying....Nice explenation that you are staying because you are having fun....Customers like YOU that will keep paying a bill to do so are the reason people push unfinished trash onto people, so look in the mirror, next time you want to assign blame.
Originally posted by ktanner3 Well put. Until someone else picks up the tab, i'll continue to play what "I" like. Not what others on a message board thinks. I dont even think the people that gripe about this game daily are even playing any mmos since their post history shows they hate everything.
I agree, play what you like, not what others want you to like, but the funny thing is, he NEVER said he liked it....Just that he was tired of the changing mmo theme he is driviling about, while assigning blame to others...
Seriously? You're going to blame the crappy design flaws of SWTOR on the players? Damn skippy you're sticking with it and feel compelled to put down anyone who doesn't like SWTOR (including EA/Bioblows). I mean, someone's gotta keep the fail-train running, so it might as well be you, and to hell with anyone who doesn't think like you. That about cover it?
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
I guess there wasn't enough hate threads for the usual suspects to take a dump in.
Guess you should just say, hey, I like it (never did say he liked it), and not blame others for the failure of certain mmos....People usually don't respond too well to that...But I guess seeing what you want to see, instead of why is fine.
I played TOR, was just expecting to read, hey I like it, was going to maybe reply that he is the target audience, the content they are making expands on the current content, and if you like it, then you should continue to like the game, becuase they do not seem to be changing things....BUT thats not what he did.
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.
So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.
Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.
So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.
Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.
DUH! if someone is paying for something they like, to them it isn't crappy. Is it even possible to have a more egotistical post?
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU.
I have to agree and disagree, all of the player are the problem since they keep whinning about wind change on a virtual world, right? who feels the wind from pixels?
But then again I have to disagree has well because I believe that in the past many years not one company came out with a good product/game, the games themself have only one purpose is to make the player happy instead of INTENDING to be a better game.
A good game can be what it is even with player/customer whinning. If the game is good that it can stand the whinning without losing it's head.
My guess is bad design is the cause of all that.
I believe that no game from the past 7 years INTENDED improvement, and that during all that time all the companies tried only to satisfy customers with flawed design.
So nobody would be to blame but the companies that keep asking to their customers : " please dear custome, we empower you to tell us what you want" yes tell us my masters" ..... and they would actually do nothing else but ask what can they do.
And turning round and round, trying to fix what cannot be fixed since the fundation of the problem is the game itself.
And yes the players are to blame since they keep bying those poor designed games ... so publisher keep milking the mad cows.
My hot fix :"stop buying stupid games, and if you do so, know that any whining cannot fix it, so please stop whinnig"
Having played most of the mmo's that have been released in the last 10 years I have decieded to stick with swtor for the time being. Unless DAOC comes back from the dead. WOW stops playing with panda's and pokemon. Or Eve online brings back and finishes Incarna (IE walking in stations) It seems that there is no other reasonable choice but for me to stick with SWTOR.
Yes I have seen and read about all the doom and gloom. Server merger's, Layoffs, ect... and I don't really care.. I was there when the player base whined about claas imbalance, radar, speed hacks, and how noone liked the trials of atlantis that killed DAOC. I was there when The SWG higher ups decieded to try to become more like wow. I was there when goonswarm decieded to suicide gank anyone mining hi-sec ice fields. And most others whined about a 75$ monicle and not being able to spin you ship in a circle in your docking bay.
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.
So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.
Good luck wasting your time in your mouse wheel then. I dont understand that you dont feel like your totaly wasting your time? What changes to the game world can you do in SWTOR? what political games can you play against other people? I only see you playing dressup games with your toon, putting on new shiny trinkets...
I personaly dont understand what the appeal is? at the end of the day after you loged 8+ hours you have not made one single significant change or affected any other living person but yourself? why waste money and time on that?
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.
So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.
Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.
DUH! if someone is paying for something they like, to them it isn't crappy. Is it even possible to have a more egotistical post?
I agree. The level of absurdity in some of these responses is hilarious. Someone decides to take a break from the usual hate and misery to post something positive and the usual suspects act like someone peed in their cereal.
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.
So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.
Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.
DUH! if someone is paying for something they like, to them it isn't crappy. Is it even possible to have a more egotistical post?
I agree. The level of absurdity in some of these responses is hilarious. Someone decides to take a break from the usual hate and misery to post something positive and the usual suspects act like someone peed in their cereal.
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.
So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.
Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.
DUH! if someone is paying for something they like, to them it isn't crappy. Is it even possible to have a more egotistical post?
I agree. The level of absurdity in some of these responses is hilarious. Someone decides to take a break from the usual hate and misery to post something positive and the usual suspects act like someone peed in their cereal.
Something positive? Get yer head of the sand! If the line "the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU" wasn't intended to attract trolls from every moss-covered bridge from LOTR to WoW, I would be completely and utterly shocked.
I'm all for positivity and enjoying what you enjoy, but you don't need to pour gasoline on a thread in the very first post! At least save the fuel for page 3 or later!
Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.
I havent participated in a beta sence warhamer. Beta's are for testing the game and geting honest feedback from the players.
Which is one of the reasons warhamer failed in my opinion. They decieded to listen to the fanboi's rather than listen to us who were screeming at them to fix the pvp b4 it was too late.
How bout instead of trying out the beta I continue to spam the hell out of SWTOR to make ILUM more like how DAOC open world pvp or maybe add a 2nd tier of persistent battle grounds to go along with the capture the flag style and hopeful soom rated wz ect..
How did WAR listen to the fanbois? I was shouting at them from the beginning to remove the scenarios because they were killing the game. A game based on RVR world pvp objectives has NO ROOM for a Scenario/BG system....It eneded up removing a majority of players from the Tiers and Keep battles so that you could grind RR in a more rapid fashion by queing up for random instanced Scenarios.
Dragnon - Guildmaster - Albion Central Bank in Albion Online
actually the thing that killed WAR was the balance of classes thanks to Adam Gersowitz (now at Trion ) most players left WAR because one side dominated the other in open world pvp and scenarios were far from the problem with WAR. Open world RVR is still alive in WAR so not sure how you can say that killed war. Bugs and crap like stacking Bright wizards melting entire warbands is what did war in for majority of its player base. If SWTOR actually did revamp illum and make it better there would be a lot of happy players. You cannot even base your information off this website here because about 90% of the posters here hate just about any game that releases. Its always junk or garbage etc but they never state the reasons why except its a themepark. Maybe people just need to realize that mmorpgs are not heading in the direction they want them to go and just move on.
^^ I also agree with your reasoning behind WAR's demise which is why I'm an avid fan of the 3 or more Faction PVP idea if you're going to have factions at all.
Dragnon - Guildmaster - Albion Central Bank in Albion Online
Dont worry OP Im right there with ya. I plan to stick with SWTOR because its the MMO I enjoy the most and I have tried A LOT. Dont care what anyone thinks about it either.
As long as BioWare stays dedicated to improving the game and to adding new content, there's no reason not to stick with SW:TOR if it's your cup of tea. My fear is that people will continue to leave and EA will force the game into maintenance mode like they did with Warhammer Online.
There is potential with SW:TOR, but it needs work.
Having played most of the mmo's that have been released in the last 10 years I have decieded to stick with swtor for the time being. Unless DAOC comes back from the dead. WOW stops playing with panda's and pokemon. Or Eve online brings back and finishes Incarna (IE walking in stations) It seems that there is no other reasonable choice but for me to stick with SWTOR.
Yes I have seen and read about all the doom and gloom. Server merger's, Layoffs, ect... and I don't really care.. I was there when the player base whined about claas imbalance, radar, speed hacks, and how noone liked the trials of atlantis that killed DAOC. I was there when The SWG higher ups decieded to try to become more like wow. I was there when goonswarm decieded to suicide gank anyone mining hi-sec ice fields. And most others whined about a 75$ monicle and not being able to spin you ship in a circle in your docking bay.
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.
So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.
Great post.
SWTOR is so great you made a post about how other games are not fun and that you dont care about people complaining...
Instead of talking about HOW SWTOR is good...speaks volumns...no wonder the game has been hemorrhaging players, those still there are only there because "enter game here" isnt around anymore and they have no choice but stay!
Having played most of the mmo's that have been released in the last 10 years I have decieded to stick with swtor for the time being. Unless DAOC comes back from the dead. WOW stops playing with panda's and pokemon. Or Eve online brings back and finishes Incarna (IE walking in stations) It seems that there is no other reasonable choice but for me to stick with SWTOR.
Yes I have seen and read about all the doom and gloom. Server merger's, Layoffs, ect... and I don't really care.. I was there when the player base whined about claas imbalance, radar, speed hacks, and how noone liked the trials of atlantis that killed DAOC. I was there when The SWG higher ups decieded to try to become more like wow. I was there when goonswarm decieded to suicide gank anyone mining hi-sec ice fields. And most others whined about a 75$ monicle and not being able to spin you ship in a circle in your docking bay.
In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.
So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.
Um good for you? Glad you found a game you like. Personally I would rather go play with Kung Fu Pandas than play in a game world so devoid of any ambient life. Though I'm not playing any MMO right now because I dont care for any of them and I'm ok with that.
Grats OP, you should get a in game title for sticking with SWTOR.
Enjoy.
or perhaps a sticker
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Gamers have no say. None. They can scream, yell and cry all they want. But they cannot do more than have their tantrums.
All decisions are made by the developer. The developer bears all responsibility for those decisions. If they chose to listen to players, that too is their choice. If they chose to mold their games on what they perceive players to want, that too is their choice. When it comes to SWTOR, it's clear BioWare built BioWare's game. The minor things, like LFG and what-not, are trivial issues in what is wrong with this game. Here's the deal:
And I could go on for a long time. This thread (The Unsubscribers Thread) talks, in great detail, to all the various failings of the game and why people quit by the hundreds of people who did quit: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=444571
And 'listening to fans' isn't exactly high on the list. Not listening to fans who were trying to get basic functionality in the game is, however, on the list.
I agree with everything you said but you took me a little too literally. Unfortunately we do have to count the "casuals" as gamers.
WOW came in and changed everything. It caters to casuals and that's all fine, WOW remains the top game because of that but something went awry with WOW. Somewhere along the way the shear number of casuals deemed sandbox features as taboo. Being a sandbox fan became an insult. Then enough of those casuals kept demanding their game become less and less time consuming. WOW was happy to oblige and that's fine for WOW but it didn't stop with WOW.
Other companies started wanting that success and all they seen was this large mass of loud casuals demanding speed and ease in their games and laughing down anyone suggesting complexity. All the market research pointed at making another game like WOW. What the companies failed to realize is casuals by definition don't want to have to spend the time starting over. They already have WOW and have maxed their characters out. They don't have the time to do it all again in some other game, especially if it's the same mechanics as WOW.
Another problem arised with casuals not knowing they already have their game. They keep jumping for joy at every new game like LOTR, Rift, TOR and others and they keep buying those games, but they keep finding out they are nothing but the same things they already have in WOW, so why should they spend the time they don't have starting over or much less having to keep pace with more than one game.
With maybe TOR being the exception because of it's huge production cost, the companies all know the casuals will jump on every new title and cover the production cost early so there is little risk if the companies keep producing a sure thing casual centered game.
Simply put, companies aren't going to take risk in trying to innovate anything new when they know they can depend on short term success because gamers will not stand up and say no more of the same things by forcing companies to produce good different gameplay before a profit is achieved.
All that might only make sense to myself but I'm all that matters anyway
HAHA.....I am staying because I am staying....Nice explenation that you are staying because you are having fun....Customers like YOU that will keep paying a bill to do so are the reason people push unfinished trash onto people, so look in the mirror, next time you want to assign blame.
I agree, play what you like, not what others want you to like, but the funny thing is, he NEVER said he liked it....Just that he was tired of the changing mmo theme he is driviling about, while assigning blame to others...
Seriously? You're going to blame the crappy design flaws of SWTOR on the players? Damn skippy you're sticking with it and feel compelled to put down anyone who doesn't like SWTOR (including EA/Bioblows). I mean, someone's gotta keep the fail-train running, so it might as well be you, and to hell with anyone who doesn't think like you. That about cover it?
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
But as a joke!
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Guess you should just say, hey, I like it (never did say he liked it), and not blame others for the failure of certain mmos....People usually don't respond too well to that...But I guess seeing what you want to see, instead of why is fine.
I played TOR, was just expecting to read, hey I like it, was going to maybe reply that he is the target audience, the content they are making expands on the current content, and if you like it, then you should continue to like the game, becuase they do not seem to be changing things....BUT thats not what he did.
I will stick with WoW for similar reasons.
Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.
nevermind
DUH! if someone is paying for something they like, to them it isn't crappy. Is it even possible to have a more egotistical post?
There Is Always Hope!
I have to agree and disagree, all of the player are the problem since they keep whinning about wind change on a virtual world, right? who feels the wind from pixels?
But then again I have to disagree has well because I believe that in the past many years not one company came out with a good product/game, the games themself have only one purpose is to make the player happy instead of INTENDING to be a better game.
A good game can be what it is even with player/customer whinning. If the game is good that it can stand the whinning without losing it's head.
My guess is bad design is the cause of all that.
I believe that no game from the past 7 years INTENDED improvement, and that during all that time all the companies tried only to satisfy customers with flawed design.
So nobody would be to blame but the companies that keep asking to their customers : " please dear custome, we empower you to tell us what you want" yes tell us my masters" ..... and they would actually do nothing else but ask what can they do.
And turning round and round, trying to fix what cannot be fixed since the fundation of the problem is the game itself.
And yes the players are to blame since they keep bying those poor designed games ... so publisher keep milking the mad cows.
My hot fix :"stop buying stupid games, and if you do so, know that any whining cannot fix it, so please stop whinnig"
Good luck wasting your time in your mouse wheel then. I dont understand that you dont feel like your totaly wasting your time? What changes to the game world can you do in SWTOR? what political games can you play against other people? I only see you playing dressup games with your toon, putting on new shiny trinkets...
I personaly dont understand what the appeal is? at the end of the day after you loged 8+ hours you have not made one single significant change or affected any other living person but yourself? why waste money and time on that?
I agree. The level of absurdity in some of these responses is hilarious. Someone decides to take a break from the usual hate and misery to post something positive and the usual suspects act like someone peed in their cereal.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Off-the-charts absurdity...
Something positive? Get yer head of the sand! If the line "the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU" wasn't intended to attract trolls from every moss-covered bridge from LOTR to WoW, I would be completely and utterly shocked.
I'm all for positivity and enjoying what you enjoy, but you don't need to pour gasoline on a thread in the very first post! At least save the fuel for page 3 or later!
Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.
How did WAR listen to the fanbois? I was shouting at them from the beginning to remove the scenarios because they were killing the game. A game based on RVR world pvp objectives has NO ROOM for a Scenario/BG system....It eneded up removing a majority of players from the Tiers and Keep battles so that you could grind RR in a more rapid fashion by queing up for random instanced Scenarios.
Dragnon - Guildmaster - Albion Central Bank in Albion Online
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actually the thing that killed WAR was the balance of classes thanks to Adam Gersowitz (now at Trion ) most players left WAR because one side dominated the other in open world pvp and scenarios were far from the problem with WAR. Open world RVR is still alive in WAR so not sure how you can say that killed war. Bugs and crap like stacking Bright wizards melting entire warbands is what did war in for majority of its player base. If SWTOR actually did revamp illum and make it better there would be a lot of happy players. You cannot even base your information off this website here because about 90% of the posters here hate just about any game that releases. Its always junk or garbage etc but they never state the reasons why except its a themepark. Maybe people just need to realize that mmorpgs are not heading in the direction they want them to go and just move on.
^^ I also agree with your reasoning behind WAR's demise which is why I'm an avid fan of the 3 or more Faction PVP idea if you're going to have factions at all.
Dragnon - Guildmaster - Albion Central Bank in Albion Online
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Dont worry OP Im right there with ya. I plan to stick with SWTOR because its the MMO I enjoy the most and I have tried A LOT. Dont care what anyone thinks about it either.
As long as BioWare stays dedicated to improving the game and to adding new content, there's no reason not to stick with SW:TOR if it's your cup of tea. My fear is that people will continue to leave and EA will force the game into maintenance mode like they did with Warhammer Online.
There is potential with SW:TOR, but it needs work.
Great post.
SWTOR is so great you made a post about how other games are not fun and that you dont care about people complaining...
Instead of talking about HOW SWTOR is good...speaks volumns...no wonder the game has been hemorrhaging players, those still there are only there because "enter game here" isnt around anymore and they have no choice but stay!
Um good for you? Glad you found a game you like. Personally I would rather go play with Kung Fu Pandas than play in a game world so devoid of any ambient life. Though I'm not playing any MMO right now because I dont care for any of them and I'm ok with that.
Grats OP, you should get a in game title for sticking with SWTOR.
Enjoy.
or perhaps a sticker
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