I had a deja vu after reading this post....not so long ago you and your fellow 'haters' ' (as you eloquently stated) were doing the same on SWTOR, RIFT, Tera forums. Finally the other shoe has dropped. lol
Got to love how fast the role changes on these forums.
Swtor Ive said things about. Called it mediocre. Wasnt the only one.
However Ive never said a thing (as far as I can remember) about Rift.
As for Tera, I've only said it was beautiful graphically. Perhaps the most beautiful mmo I've ever seen. But I dont like sub fees (anymore) so its just not my deal.
I dont expect everyone to love GW2. I do expect some people to find it to be not their cup of tea. I would even suspect some will hate it for whatever reason. But today has just been nuts. Its odd and weird. Its just been GW2 attacks all day with a few actual players popping in and saying, " I dont know what you people are talking about. Its awesome! " and then ducking back out to go play some more.
GW2 is not and will not be the end all be all. But at the very least and I do mean the very least its going to be a competent game. More so, its probably going to be a "good" game. And good is good enough for me. I might even find it amazing.
But all these posts today are getting on my nerves. Where were you people who now seem to dislike GW2 last Beta weekend? Whats up with this? Last time it was just complaints about FPS and lag. Which most said that was okay because it was beta. While at the same time even those complaining about those issues still said the game seemed amazing. Now its "Dynamic Events suck" "PVP suddenly sucks" etc etc. Where were these complaints last beta weekend? Or the stress tests they've had? It was non existent until now. Suddenly now that the game is running smooth as butter its time to throw a fuss? Of all times? Yea Im not buying it.
If you are not playing GW2 dont complain. Dont pretend you are playing GW2, especially if you have gripped about it in the past having not even played it because you darn well didnt pre order if you hated it so much. This just doesnt add up. Now some of these people I know for a fact did, and have valid concerns. They are easy to see and pick out and I respect those guys.
But Im getting a heavy sense there are literally a good few dozen people commenting on the forums today that say they are playing and are absolutely not. Im not playing. I havent pre purchased yet. I have had NO ONE ELSE admit that today. Apparently ALL OF YOU are playing it. And half of you seem to hate it. And you hated it before now. And you bought it anyways. Yea......not buying it. Thanks anyways.
This guy again... To your quote: I'm sorry..I didn't realize that developers couldn't say things early in the development stage and change it slightly as the dev process went on. Because that never happens with any other MMO's. Arenanet should be sued for malpractice and false advertising. /sarcasm = off. In a sense that quote is still true. You save a village and it stays saved....until its attacked again. What the quote means, really, is this.
In a traditional MMO you would walk up to a village, already on fire, get a quest to go kill 10 bandits in the midst of the chaos and come back for your reward. You, in theory, saved the village. Even though the village is sitll on fire and the people are still screaming for help, your quest is done and you are free to move on. Those poor villagers will just have to wait and hope that some other guy will come along to do the quest to alleviate their pain.
In guild wars 2 a farm comes under siege by bandits, you go to help, you effectively drive off the bandits, you look over your shoulder at the farm and all the farmers, they're cheering and thanking you endlessly. You look at the hay and its no longer on fire nor are there bandits respawing at random locations attacking the closest thing. You save a village, or farm, and it stays saved....until its attacked again, that is.
So no the quote isn't wrong. It's different now, yes, but not wrong.
When people will stop treating games like ideological schools that need to be defended or brought down, and more like what they are: games. Games that touch different people on different places.
Games need to be sold. Like soda or jeans. Yet I see no one complaining about that "Denim hype" or that "Ford Hype". And hype they do. They also pay magazines for good reviews, they also hyperbolyze stuff.
It is ludicrous to call what little marketing Anet has done so far the same MMO lietrain that we know all about. We can all remeber those games. Compare. Go ahead.
GW2 relies on no grinding at all (unless you like to keep bashing wolves in the middle of the forest for no good reason). Every little thing you do contribute to your progress. XP comes fast and furious, and I have to slow myself down a bit to enjoy the scenery and the details. Lineage 2 is a grindy game. WoW is a grindy game (gear treadmill).
I certainly don't feel that people MUST like it. Of course not. I have friends who didn't, each for a different reason. Others loved it, also for different reasons. As it should be. What irks me is smugness and lies.
No no. You are one of the ones with valid concerns I know who is playing it. I listen to you. Like I said I can kind of tell or half tell with most. I have no doubt you are in. I also have no doubt you try just about everything anyways. So thats a given. There are also many more like you.
What Im saying is I dont buy ALL the comments from certain people here. But you? No you say what you want. I'll read it. I have no doubt you are playing GW2. Im familiar with your posts. Im also familiar with others. Its SOME of the others I some what doubt. Nor will I call anyone out. Learned my lesson on that one.
Its just the next "big thing" I guess. I was in the first beta and its pretty decent, but I don't really agree with the whole "the holy trinity is devil" mentality. I also don't think its as revoluntionary as it says it is (or maybe the fans are putting words into their mouths.) I think they're finally making a great MMO for people who like to solo, but that just doesn't interest me.
Mostly this. The MMORPG hype bandwagon is cyclical. A new game is announced, people treat it as the second coming, it gets released, and hordes of people are horribly disappointed because it doesn't live up to the absurd amount of hype generated around it.
We've seen this with Warhammer, Aion, FFXIV, SWTOR, etc, etc. I will be massively, massively surprised if GW2 doesn't follow the same cycle.
My problem with this is that with AION, SWTOR, RIFT, TSW, and even GW2 I've tried to give fair shakes to the products & post reviews/previews of the product for what it IS and IS NOT. Yet, every time I'm rabidly attacked for the few months prior to, and after, release.
However, on almost every single one of those reviews/previews I did I've gotten appologies or "you were right"-s from people in PMs, emails, posts, etc.
So what do I take from this ? Do I continue to "attempt" healthy criticism of a product, or simply stop posting. It's seriously getting under my skin :'(.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity: Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
When people will stop treating games like ideological schools that need to be defended or brought down, and more like what they are: games. Games that touch different people on different places.Games need to be sold. Like soda or jeans. Yet I see no one complaining about that "Denim hype" or that "Ford Hype". And hype they do. They also pay magazines for good reviews, they also hyperbolyze stuff.It is ludicrous to call what little marketing Anet has done so far the same MMO lietrain that we know all about. We can all remeber those games. Compare. Go ahead.GW2 relies on no grinding at all (unless you like to keep bashing wolves in the middle of the forest for no good reason). Every little thing you do contribute to your progress. XP comes fast and furious, and I have to slow myself down a bit to enjoy the scenery and the details. Lineage 2 is a grindy game. WoW is a grindy game (gear treadmill).I certainly don't feel that people MUST like it. Of course not. I have friends who didn't, each for a different reason. Others loved it, also for different reasons. As it should be. What irks me is smugness and lies.
Well see, I have come to a point where I notice that the people with the big $$$ can control the minds of the masses. We can call this Brainwashing, Marketing, whatever.
Many people, especially avg consumers don't fully understand how deeply this "Marketing/Political" field of study goes. We underestimate how well these people can control what we like/see/think. These people study this kind of stuff for ages.
MMO developers are no different here. Throughout the years, these developers have made countless marketing scams to sell their product without crossing the legal border.
Look at a game like Dust514 from CCP, the developers of EvE. They are willingly and knowingly marketing their game as a MMOFPS which it isn't. But if a consumer were to take their word for it, then what? The meaning of a MMOFPS is vague and easily bended to fit your marketing needs.
Same thing has been done with many CORPG like DDO, and yours truly, Guild Wars 1. You and anybody else can say all they want, that Anet didn't advertise their game as a MMO, but that's a lie. Of course they did. GW1 marketing off it being F2P aka no sub with a online connection requirement, fooled media and masses into believing its a true blue MMO. Great marketing there. Others followed along. Add the word "Online" to the title and make it a Internet requirement t play, and now the masses assume its a MMO, which bring in more box sells.
Looking at your post here, I can see you seem to choose not to see the reality beyond the marketing, or you as many are in the consumer market, have falling into the purpose of marketing and hype. Your judgment is clouded from your emotional pleasures of marketing hype. But that's just my point of view of course, which your rightfully can disagree with me.
Its just the next "big thing" I guess. I was in the first beta and its pretty decent, but I don't really agree with the whole "the holy trinity is devil" mentality. I also don't think its as revoluntionary as it says it is (or maybe the fans are putting words into their mouths.) I think they're finally making a great MMO for people who like to solo, but that just doesn't interest me.
Mostly this. The MMORPG hype bandwagon is cyclical. A new game is announced, people treat it as the second coming, it gets released, and hordes of people are horribly disappointed because it doesn't live up to the absurd amount of hype generated around it.
We've seen this with Warhammer, Aion, FFXIV, SWTOR, etc, etc. I will be massively, massively surprised if GW2 doesn't follow the same cycle.
My problem with this is that with AION, SWTOR, RIFT, TSW, and even GW2 I've tried to give fair shakes to the products & post reviews/previews of the product for what it IS and IS NOT. Yet, every time I'm rabidly attacked for the few months prior to, and after, release.
However, on almost every single one of those reviews/previews I did I've gotten appologies or "you were right"-s from people in PMs, emails, posts, etc.
So what do I take from this ? Do I continue to "attempt" healthy criticism of a product, or simply stop posting. It's seriously getting under my skin :'(.
I suggest a combination of both, actually. Rather, Stop posting reviews, those things above all others tend to bring out both the rabid haters and the rabid fanboys. Reviewing a game, from a neutral standpoint or otherwise, on these forums is like setting up a battlefield that will most assuredly get bloody.
I haven't always agreed with your posts, nor do I feel that I need to. You do tend to come off relatively level-headed about things which is a nice breath of fresh air around here. So for that, I say post to your hearts content, but try to avoid reviews if the negativity is getting to you.
I had a deja vu after reading this post....not so long ago you and your fellow 'haters' ' (as you eloquently stated) were doing the same on SWTOR, RIFT, Tera forums. Finally the other shoe has dropped. lol
Got to love how fast the role changes on these forums.
Swtor Ive said things about. Called it mediocre. Wasnt the only one.
And a lot of people are going to dislike GW2 too..shouldn't be a surprise.
However Ive never said a thing (as far as I can remember) about Rift.
Since we are lumping everyone who dislikes GW2 into one category of 'haters' i also made a generalising statement like yours.
As for Tera, I've only said it was beautiful graphically. Perhaps the most beautiful mmo I've ever seen. But I dont like sub fees (anymore) so its just not my deal.
So i guess it is fair to label you as a 'hater' too because you dislikes somethign about the game? *rolls eyes*
I dont expect everyone to love GW2. I do expect some people to find it to be not their cup of tea. I would even suspect some will hate it for whatever reason. But today has just been nuts. Its odd and weird. Its just been GW2 attacks all day with a few actual players popping in and saying, " I dont know what you people are talking about. Its awesome! " and then ducking back out to go play some more.
I am glad you realised that not everyone is going to like GW2 which stands true for just any MMO in market. Sadly people whip out this wisdom only when it is convenient and most certainly when defending the game they are enjoying or love.
GW2 is not and will not be the end all be all. But at the very least and I do mean the very least its going to be a competent game. More so, its probably going to be a "good" game. And good is good enough for me. I might even find it amazing.
Good is subjective and if you understand that you shouldn't be getting upset if others dislike GW2.
But all these posts today are getting on my nerves. Where were you people who now seem to dislike GW2 last Beta weekend? Whats up with this? Last time it was just complaints about FPS and lag. Which most said that was okay because it was beta. While at the same time even those complaining about those issues still said the game seemed amazing. Now its "Dynamic Events suck" "PVP suddenly sucks" etc etc. Where were these complaints last beta weekend? Or the stress tests they've had? It was non existent until now. Suddenly now that the game is running smooth as butter its time to throw a fuss? Of all times? Yea Im not buying it.
Maybe because it takes time for the feeling to sink in when you play a new MMO? i don't know why you are so surprised that people find DE's to be repetitive in nature and heart events just another version of 'questing on rail'. No i wouldn't say this reactions are all of a sudden. More the people will get to experince the game more they will start to look at things objectively. but still that doesn't mean that game is BAD just not overly amazing as they though it to be.
If you are not playing GW2 dont complain. Dont pretend you are playing GW2, especially if you have gripped about it in the past having not even played it because you darn well didnt pre order if you hated it so much. This just doesnt add up. Now some of these people I know for a fact did, and have valid concerns. They are easy to see and pick out and I respect those guys.
Hard to say now who is pretending here isn't it? i wouldn't make those assumptions and i don't think anyone is under any obligation to prove anything to anyone.
But Im getting a heavy sense there are literally a good few dozen people commenting on the forums today that say they are playing and are absolutely not. Im not playing. I havent pre purchased yet. I have had NO ONE ELSE admit that today. Apparently ALL OF YOU are playing it. And half of you seem to hate it. And you hated it before now. And you bought it anyways. Yea......not buying it. Thanks anyways.
Once again you seem to be under the illuision that if you enjoy MMO at first go in beta weekend you are automatically suppossed to enjoy it during every event and if you hate it first you are bound to hate it during every future event.
Players are getting chance to play game in chunks, if you want a proper breakdown maybe ignore forums till release? because you are certainly very emotional about the game.
Its just the next "big thing" I guess. I was in the first beta and its pretty decent, but I don't really agree with the whole "the holy trinity is devil" mentality. I also don't think its as revoluntionary as it says it is (or maybe the fans are putting words into their mouths.) I think they're finally making a great MMO for people who like to solo, but that just doesn't interest me.
Mostly this. The MMORPG hype bandwagon is cyclical. A new game is announced, people treat it as the second coming, it gets released, and hordes of people are horribly disappointed because it doesn't live up to the absurd amount of hype generated around it.
We've seen this with Warhammer, Aion, FFXIV, SWTOR, etc, etc. I will be massively, massively surprised if GW2 doesn't follow the same cycle.
My problem with this is that with AION, SWTOR, RIFT, TSW, and even GW2 I've tried to give fair shakes to the products & post reviews/previews of the product for what it IS and IS NOT. Yet, every time I'm rabidly attacked for the few months prior to, and after, release.
However, on almost every single one of those reviews/previews I did I've gotten appologies or "you were right"-s from people in PMs, emails, posts, etc.
So what do I take from this ? Do I continue to "attempt" healthy criticism of a product, or simply stop posting. It's seriously getting under my skin :'(.
id say post your critique and leave (when you feel like you cant handle it or just dont post at those times) or post it and ignore the morons and only reply to serious posts, at least here there tend to be more than enough people to deal with the morons anyways, its why im a lurker and dont post that often its just not worth it to me to get into a fight and get stressed out and shorten my life.
honestly tho with these forums just lurking still stresses me out, considering some of the blatant liers that have been around, *i think any of us who have been here for any decent amount of time remember Robert Dinh and that whole period of strawmen and such*. the human race as a whole just sorta makes me want to crawl into a corner and cry for a little bit, so i just try not to think about such things and only deal with what directly affects me.
EDIT: id also like to see a reply to my last post in this thread a page or so back, cuz i made a valid argument there and noone has replied or noticed it.
No no. You are one of the ones with valid concerns I know who is playing it. I listen to you. Like I said I can kind of tell or half tell with most. I have no doubt you are in. I also have no doubt you try just about everything anyways. So thats a given. There are also many more like you.
What Im saying is I dont buy ALL the comments from certain people here. But you? No you say what you want. I'll read it. I have no doubt you are playing GW2. Im familiar with your posts. Im also familiar with others. Its SOME of the others I some what doubt. Nor will I call anyone out. Learned my lesson on that one.
Ah ok, that's cool CH.
I'm not so sure if I agree with you though. It's not like it's a general shitstorm like D3 had to endure during the public beta, or Swtor for that matter. I still think the amount of nay sayers are very few in the case of GW2, comparitively speaking. But I suspect that has a lot to do with the short supply of free beta keys to give uninvested players a try.
Keep telling yourself all that. I've been in both beta weekends personally, and haven't preordered or prepurchased.Anyway, here's a screenshot of me at the Moa mount vendor. Wait ... what?!
No no. You are one of the ones with valid concerns I know who is playing it. I listen to you. Like I said I can kind of tell or half tell with most. I have no doubt you are in. I also have no doubt you try just about everything anyways. So thats a given. There are also many more like you.
What Im saying is I dont buy ALL the comments from certain people here. But you? No you say what you want. I'll read it. I have no doubt you are playing GW2. Im familiar with your posts. Im also familiar with others. Its SOME of the others I some what doubt. Nor will I call anyone out. Learned my lesson on that one.
Well what about me. Do you doubt the opinions I expressed from the first beta weekend like many others have on this site? Remember when I brought attention to this topic of Melee vs ranged. That was shot down right? But was I wrong/ misleading of any balance issues?
Hey what about that thread I made about the combat not being aim based like Tera. Was I a Lyar? I am interested what people believe is the reasoning I would want to lie about this game?
Its just the next "big thing" I guess. I was in the first beta and its pretty decent, but I don't really agree with the whole "the holy trinity is devil" mentality. I also don't think its as revoluntionary as it says it is (or maybe the fans are putting words into their mouths.) I think they're finally making a great MMO for people who like to solo, but that just doesn't interest me.
Mostly this. The MMORPG hype bandwagon is cyclical. A new game is announced, people treat it as the second coming, it gets released, and hordes of people are horribly disappointed because it doesn't live up to the absurd amount of hype generated around it.
We've seen this with Warhammer, Aion, FFXIV, SWTOR, etc, etc. I will be massively, massively surprised if GW2 doesn't follow the same cycle.
My problem with this is that with AION, SWTOR, RIFT, TSW, and even GW2 I've tried to give fair shakes to the products & post reviews/previews of the product for what it IS and IS NOT. Yet, every time I'm rabidly attacked for the few months prior to, and after, release.
However, on almost every single one of those reviews/previews I did I've gotten appologies or "you were right"-s from people in PMs, emails, posts, etc.
So what do I take from this ? Do I continue to "attempt" healthy criticism of a product, or simply stop posting. It's seriously getting under my skin :'(.
I haven't followed your posts nor do I feel the urge to look up your post history to see what you wrote on all those (not curious enough atm ), but I think that if you present your objections or issues in a fair way, with presenting both pros and cons you see with a game, most people won't really fault you for voicing your opinion except for maybe the most extreme fanbois or haters.
However, it is when people go into extremes - a game either 'completely sucks in everything' or is the 'best game evah' - or when you present your opinion as The Truth that discussion often gets polarised, and you'll see more people getting agressive and rude in their replies.
At a seminar I attended, the guy described communication like handing a glass of water to someone else: you can hand it to him or throwing it into his face, in both cases he'll have gotten the water (ie the message), but his reaction to it won't be the same in both cases.
This guy again... To your quote: I'm sorry..I didn't realize that developers couldn't say things early in the development stage and change it slightly as the dev process went on. Because that never happens with any other MMO's. Arenanet should be sued for malpractice and false advertising. /sarcasm = off. In a sense that quote is still true. You save a village and it stays saved....until its attacked again. What the quote means, really, is this.
In a traditional MMO you would walk up to a village, already on fire, get a quest to go kill 10 bandits in the midst of the chaos and come back for your reward. You, in theory, saved the village. Even though the village is sitll on fire and the people are still screaming for help, your quest is done and you are free to move on. Those poor villagers will just have to wait and hope that some other guy will come along to do the quest to alleviate their pain.
In guild wars 2 a farm comes under siege by bandits, you go to help, you effectively drive off the bandits, you look over your shoulder at the farm and all the farmers, they're cheering and thanking you endlessly. You look at the hay and its no longer on fire nor are there bandits respawing at random locations attacking the closest thing. You save a village, or farm, and it stays saved....until its attacked again, that is.
So no the quote isn't wrong. It's different now, yes, but not wrong.
No no. You are one of the ones with valid concerns I know who is playing it. I listen to you. Like I said I can kind of tell or half tell with most. I have no doubt you are in. I also have no doubt you try just about everything anyways. So thats a given. There are also many more like you.
What Im saying is I dont buy ALL the comments from certain people here. But you? No you say what you want. I'll read it. I have no doubt you are playing GW2. Im familiar with your posts. Im also familiar with others. Its SOME of the others I some what doubt. Nor will I call anyone out. Learned my lesson on that one.
Well what about me. Do you doubt the opinions I expressed from the first beta weekend like many others have on this site? Remember when I brought attention to this topic of Melee vs ranged. That was shot down right? But was I wrong/ misleading of any balance issues?
Hey what about that thread I made about the combat not being aim based like Tera. Was I a Lyar? I am interested what people believe is the reasoning I would want to lie about this game?
if i may interject, you seem to put a lot of spin on things from what posts i have seen you make, and make arguments that dont make much logical sense to me, tho honestly its past midnight here so i dont feel like an in depth discussion on that atm or going and finding those threads which is what would be required to properly make any points.
as for not being aim based like tera tho mostly ya, there was a lot of semantics in that thread and GW2 does indeed have aim based combat in it, tho im not all too thrilled with the invuln on the dodge, there are indeed hitboxes and projectiles dont follow a target (cept for very specific ones where that is stated as a part of the mechanic and you could still block it with an object in between you and it or some beam type attacks). the only true part there is that it is not "just like terra" or really even a lot like terra.
I think it's funny how "innovation" got tossed around with this game like it was going out of style. Public quests have been done before etc. Meanwhile CCP is trying to integrate an FPS world in DUST 514 with its online sandbox MMORPG in EVE Online - That's innovation, not redressing the same public quests we saw several years ago in WAR....
I had a deja vu after reading this post....not so long ago you and your fellow 'haters' ' (as you eloquently stated) were doing the same on SWTOR, RIFT, Tera forums. Finally the other shoe has dropped. lol
Got to love how fast the role changes on these forums.
Swtor Ive said things about. Called it mediocre. Wasnt the only one.
And a lot of people are going to dislike GW2 too..shouldn't be a surprise.
Yea I dont see GW2 being as stale as Swtor but maybe thats just me. I wont go into that now as you can check threads. I did play that game. It was severe in aspects. I dont just mean "meh" I mean severe problems. It was a cookie cutter mmo at its core and people are sick of that. No matter what GW2 is, I really dont think its a cookie cutter mmo. It might not be liked but cookie cutter it is not.
However Ive never said a thing (as far as I can remember) about Rift.
Since we are lumping everyone who dislikes GW2 into one category of 'haters' i also made a generalising statement like yours.
Alrighty then.....
As for Tera, I've only said it was beautiful graphically. Perhaps the most beautiful mmo I've ever seen. But I dont like sub fees (anymore) so its just not my deal.
So i guess it is fair to label you as a 'hater' too because you dislikes somethign about the game? *rolls eyes*
Wha? The business model has nothing to do with the actual quality of the game. I havent played it either but I do think the screenshots look amazing. People say the quests are very standard and shallow but with a game as beautiful as that would one care? It looks like World of Warcraft 2 to me. And I dont mean that as a derogatory term. It looks gorgeous and admiting that evne though Im not interested in it is nothing like "hating" on anything.
I dont expect everyone to love GW2. I do expect some people to find it to be not their cup of tea. I would even suspect some will hate it for whatever reason. But today has just been nuts. Its odd and weird. Its just been GW2 attacks all day with a few actual players popping in and saying, " I dont know what you people are talking about. Its awesome! " and then ducking back out to go play some more.
I am glad you realised that not everyone is going to like GW2 which stands true for just any MMO in market. Sadly people whip out this wisdom only when it is convenient and most certainly when defending the game they are enjoying or love.
Yea I whipped out that "wisdom" because it was convenient. Okay. No thats just plain fact. Im not a total moron. So I would just obviously realize that. Its just common sense. If you think Im trying to placate you or the rest of these folks (whom I have no idea who they are and have no real live relationship with) by admiting that, thats amazingly.....well....I wont say it.
GW2 is not and will not be the end all be all. But at the very least and I do mean the very least its going to be a competent game. More so, its probably going to be a "good" game. And good is good enough for me. I might even find it amazing.
Good is subjective and if you understand that you shouldn't be getting upset if others dislike GW2.
Yea its just those that like it are probably playing it. They've hopped in some and said they were having a blast. But whatever. Problem is I cant hardly find ONE video on Youtube with commentary that the game sucks. I can easily find several or a dozen regarding TSW. I can find as many regarding Swtor. I only see major dissent on these forums. Not in the wider online world. But no Im not getting upset some dont like it. However its gotten a little extreme today, and Im getting a sense of it not being entirely justified. Some yes. All absolutely not. And by a long shot.
But all these posts today are getting on my nerves. Where were you people who now seem to dislike GW2 last Beta weekend? Whats up with this? Last time it was just complaints about FPS and lag. Which most said that was okay because it was beta. While at the same time even those complaining about those issues still said the game seemed amazing. Now its "Dynamic Events suck" "PVP suddenly sucks" etc etc. Where were these complaints last beta weekend? Or the stress tests they've had? It was non existent until now. Suddenly now that the game is running smooth as butter its time to throw a fuss? Of all times? Yea Im not buying it.
Maybe because it takes time for the feeling to sink in when you play a new MMO? i don't know why you are so surprised that people find DE's to be repetitive in nature and heart events just another version of 'questing on rail'. No i wouldn't say this reactions are all of a sudden. More the people will get to experince the game more they will start to look at things objectively. but still that doesn't mean that game is BAD just not overly amazing as they though it to be.
And there wasnt so much of a murmor of this before now? Its the SAME people who said the game WOULD be lacking who are saying it is now apparently having played it. Like I said, I pay attention to names and posters. And yes in the starter zones I have no doubt they will be repetitive and non too amazing since they are smaller events and Anet said the earlier leveling was more of a tutorial to understand game mechanics and such. Many are saying after that the game seriously opens up. Which figures. That just makes sense.
If you are not playing GW2 dont complain. Dont pretend you are playing GW2, especially if you have gripped about it in the past having not even played it because you darn well didnt pre order if you hated it so much. This just doesnt add up. Now some of these people I know for a fact did, and have valid concerns. They are easy to see and pick out and I respect those guys.
Hard to say now who is pretending here isn't it? i wouldn't make those assumptions and i don't think anyone is under any obligation to prove anything to anyone.
I somewhat assume only because a good majority of those who posted they didnt like the look of GW2 are the exact SAME people who for a long time now said they didnt like. Yet they are playing it? Why? And if you go into something already not liking it I doubt they will anymore now. They might have gotten keys online but you know....Im looking forward to GW2 and I havent bothered to even try to find a key. So you are telling me those that already didnt like it did? Or they prepurchased? That makes no kind of sense what so ever.
But Im getting a heavy sense there are literally a good few dozen people commenting on the forums today that say they are playing and are absolutely not. Im not playing. I havent pre purchased yet. I have had NO ONE ELSE admit that today. Apparently ALL OF YOU are playing it. And half of you seem to hate it. And you hated it before now. And you bought it anyways. Yea......not buying it. Thanks anyways.
Once again you seem to be under the illuision that if you enjoy MMO at first go in beta weekend you are automatically suppossed to enjoy it during every event and if you hate it first you are bound to hate it during every future event.
Players are getting chance to play game in chunks, if you want a proper breakdown maybe ignore forums till release? because you are certainly very emotional about the game.
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Sure thing but hating it entirely? No. Again those saying they dont like it are singing the same tune they were before. BEFORE ever apparently playing it, and now they've taken the time to echo what they were saying before. I figure if I convince myself Im not going to like something I probably wont. Meanwhile those fans Ive seen posting are coming back and saying they love it even more so now that its more stable and are having a blast. The difference in tone today has been staggering. Ive seen a very few objective reviews saying things like, " I dont like this and this but I love this. " Instead its either " I LOVE IT" or " I HATE IT " . And both were singing the same tune going in. I've seen very few posts of die hard fans now saying there are problems. No. Its the same people who already didnt like the game for whatever reason now claiming they......dont like it for whatever reason. Big surprise. Meanwhile they'd probably get flamed into oblivion by GW2 fans. But...where are they? Where could they be? Playing and having a blast in GW2 probably.
Yep...sadly the game doesn't match their manifesto video.
How so? I've watched the manifesto more than once and played the game and what they say IS there...and so much more. Watch it again, write something down and then give me a REAL example of what does not match.
Of course, that's me expecting a level of effort you did not display in this post so I won't hold my breath.
"You effect things around you in a permanent way" "You're rescuing a village that will stay rescued."
On a side note Ree Soesbee is hot.
Perhaps 'permanent' wasn't the correct word in hindsight. 'Persistent' is a better description, but admittedly that has less of a ring to it than 'permanent'. I'd have to look up the manifesto video if that's really the word she used, I assume by your comment that she had.
Truth of the system in GW2 is that right from the start it never is the case that you as player affect things in a permanent way, because the system is designed to change the area to the 'worse' as a counterforce to the effects that player actions are having in an area.
Well see, I have come to a point where I notice that the people with the big $$$ can control the minds of the masses. We can call this Brainwashing, Marketing, whatever.
Many people, especially avg consumers don't fully understand how deeply this "Marketing/Political" field of study goes. We underestimate how well these people can control what we like/see/think. These people study this kind of stuff for ages.
MMO developers are no different here. Throughout the years, these developers have made countless marketing scams to sell their product without crossing the legal border.
Look at a game like Dust514 from CCP, the developers of EvE. They are willingly and knowingly marketing their game as a MMOFPS which it isn't. But if a consumer were to take their word for it, then what? The meaning of a MMOFPS is vague and easily bended to fit your marketing needs.
Same thing has been done with many CORPG like DDO, and yours truly, Guild Wars 1. You and anybody else can say all they want, that Anet didn't advertise their game as a MMO, but that's a lie. Of course they did. GW1 marketing off it being F2P aka no sub with a online connection requirement, fooled media and masses into believing its a true blue MMO. Great marketing there. Others followed along. Add the word "Online" to the title and make it a Internet requirement t play, and now the masses assume its a MMO, which bring in more box sells.
Looking at your post here, I can see you seem to choose not to see the reality beyond the marketing, or you as many are in the consumer market, have falling into the purpose of marketing and hype. Your judgment is clouded from your emotional pleasures of marketing hype. But that's just my point of view of course, which your rightfully can disagree with me.
Or, we can go the other way around. Marketing is inherently overblown. It is a given, and anyone who doesn't understand that will buy a lot of plots of land in the sea or in the desert.
I didn't play GW1, for a number of reasons. One of them is what you pointed out: it was not an MMO, not in the format that I would like to play, anyway. I did my research, chose my side, and moved on.
I didn't feel compelled to undertake a holy crusade againt it (or any other game, in fact), though. Why? Caveat emptor. Poeple must know what they are buying. If you don't, you have none other than yourself to blame. And I already have a daughter to raise, I don't need to do parenting on the behalf of others.
Then came GW2, merry on its way. I did my research, I saw the videos, and I thought to myself: "Hm, this is worth the risk." After all, it's just an entry fee. So, GW2 was to be the game of May at home. They I played it, and I was very happy to see that the fan 'hype' was right, and that Anet chose to sell it in a non-shady way. They were upfront about features, yes and no's.
Then I look at a post like yours, and I shake my head in mute disbelief. I am very happy to see that you know my background, my relationship with games, marketing and media, and that you also delved into the depths of my very soul to proclaim this very modest opinion about me, or about whoever is enjoying the game you portented under an evil moon to be 'overhyped' and 'a marketing play'.
For that, I must humbly thank you. Please send your bank account to me via PM, since I feel that such a selfless effort cannot go unrewarded. I'll chip in, so you can keep fighting the good fight. The one man/woman who sees things in their true colors.
Exposing, as your humble nickname indicated, the flaw in all of us, mortals.
"Judgement clouded from your emotional pleasures of marketing hype"... get over yourself.
Barely any chatter on the GW2 forums. They all must be playing, and I believe I know what thread you are talking about regarding being bored. Just because 1 or 2 threads pop up doesn't mean the "hype", which was created by the playerbase isn't real.
This is actually the first time I've check these forums in over a day because I've been busy playing GW2.
I assume those who claim to be bored aren't in the beta weekend.
Anyway back to it, have fun.
^this. Actually I have been posting and reading forums tho too. Not for lack of interest in the beta, but because I'm applying every ounce of willpower I have not to get too deep into the areas I want to keep fresh for launch. I hope they bring out the Asura soon, I have no interest in playing them at all so can do a LOT of beta testing with them.
Dont even come here right now. Just enjoy your beta experience. Since all the fans and pre purchasers are off playing the Beta the haters have taken it as a time to strike. Ive been on the forums just long enough and often enough to take note of people. And a lot of the people saying the game is lacking are the ones claiming so for weeks and months now with no evidence.
Now they are claiming they've played it. Same people who said they werent interested and it was just going to be more of the same. So I guess they pre purchased ( Ironic indeed) which I really dont think some of them did, and are taking this as an opportunity to say the game is......surprise surprise.......lacking. Or boring. Or grindy.
Or all the same crap they've been spewing for months or weeks. They just took it as an oppurtunity to do it in full force this time. One started it up with a thread. " Oh look! SEE! SEE! Its lacking! It doesnt live up to the hype! " then another jumps on the band wagon and starts another thread and its just been all day. I have serious doubts half these people have even played the thing, but instead are just claiming too. I know some concerns are valid, but this is just wild.
Meanwhile they are free to bash it because most fans like yourself are playing the game and having a blast. So enjoy it now guys. Fans enjoy the game, people who dislike GW2 enjoy the forums. Because both end on Monday. All those GW2 players will come flooding back into the forums and you people wont enjoy the free hater aid you're sipping on in ease right now.
I was going to reply to something in this post, but then I realized what I was replying to had nothing to do with the post at all,then I realized I forgot entirely what the OP was...
So, in conclusion...I like pie?
OH where did the hype come from!?
GOTCHA, Hype almost always comes from a blend of 1/3rd developer, 2/3rds people. That's my opinion on the matter.
And there wasnt so much of a murmor of this before now? Its the SAME people who said the game WOULD be lacking who are saying it is now apparently having played it. Like I said, I pay attention to names and posters. And yes in the starter zones I have no doubt they will be repetitive and non too amazing since they are smaller events and Anet said the earlier leveling was more of a tutorial to understand game mechanics and such. Many are saying after that the game seriously opens up. Which figures. That just makes sense.
I would liek to reply to this point specificly. Like i said earlier players are getting to play in chunks and as people are goign higher in levels the repetitive nature of DE's is becoming more clear to them. I am not surprised personally because i never bought the BS by fans that DE's wil always stay fresh and new. So iam fine with repetitve nature of things after all it is a MMO right? repeititon is un avoidable.
However, i wasn't happy with game during first event and since then i have had a very mixed experince betwen amazing to meh. And i am sure i am not alone in this..people will love or hate things as we get to play more in future events. But like i said in another topic..if a game doesn't grab you in first few levels players are not going to wait for fun to happen and it is something universal for just any MMO out there. First few levels are very crucial to draw players in and get them hooked. And GW2 seems weak in that department.
'But it is just a tutorial' or 'fun starts after lvl 15' doesn't convince players like it used to.
And there wasnt so much of a murmor of this before now? Its the SAME people who said the game WOULD be lacking who are saying it is now apparently having played it. Like I said, I pay attention to names and posters. And yes in the starter zones I have no doubt they will be repetitive and non too amazing since they are smaller events and Anet said the earlier leveling was more of a tutorial to understand game mechanics and such. Many are saying after that the game seriously opens up. Which figures. That just makes sense.
I would liek to reply to this point specificly. Like i said earlier players are getting to play in chunks and as people are goign higher in levels the repetitive nature of DE's is becoming more clear to them. I am not surprised personally because i never bought the BS by fans that DE's wil always stay fresh and new. So iam fine with repetitve nature of things after all it is a MMO right? repeititon is un avoidable.
However, i wasn't happy with game during first event and since then i have had a very mixed experince betwen amazing to meh. And i am sure i am not alone in this..people will love or hate things as we get to play more in future events. But like i said in another topic..if a game doesn't grab you in first few levels players are not going to wait for fun to happen and it is something universal for just any MMO out there. First few levels are very crucial to draw players in and get them hooked. And GW2 seems weak in that department.
'But it is just a tutorial' or 'fun starts after lvl 15' doesn't convince players like it used to.
I could be mistaken but I think it might have even been the poster above you that stated that DE's get really challenging and fun after level 15. Might have been another poster.
I agree and see your point that with gradual play things become more clear. However I cant be sure thats the case here.
Also the fact you are not enticed or hooked right away concernse me. Maybe its just not your thing. But more so, I too have found I can play a game for around 3-5 days and get a vibe of all it is. Regardless, it seems players who are doing those starter DEs are getting annoyed. Because its things like picking apples or defending silly farms. Not sure thats the best way to begin it all. Nor would it give some players much hope for the future. Ive never appreciated the, " It gets better later" stuff even if it is true. If it does indeed get more intense later thats great but at the same time it should have been pleasing to begin with and put fuel on your fire to play it. I have seen games do this before. Games I thought I hated but ended up loving. I had to try and stay with it several times. If GW2 is like that at all thats a shame. It should be epic from the out set.
But thats just me pondering as I haven't played it and you have. So you have me at a disadvantage regarding it all, so I'll keep in mind what you are saying and review it later when I do play.
And there wasnt so much of a murmor of this before now? Its the SAME people who said the game WOULD be lacking who are saying it is now apparently having played it. Like I said, I pay attention to names and posters. And yes in the starter zones I have no doubt they will be repetitive and non too amazing since they are smaller events and Anet said the earlier leveling was more of a tutorial to understand game mechanics and such. Many are saying after that the game seriously opens up. Which figures. That just makes sense.
I would liek to reply to this point specificly. Like i said earlier players are getting to play in chunks and as people are goign higher in levels the repetitive nature of DE's is becoming more clear to them. I am not surprised personally because i never bought the BS by fans that DE's wil always stay fresh and new. So iam fine with repetitve nature of things after all it is a MMO right? repeititon is un avoidable.
However, i wasn't happy with game during first event and since then i have had a very mixed experince betwen amazing to meh. And i am sure i am not alone in this..people will love or hate things as we get to play more in future events. But like i said in another topic..if a game doesn't grab you in first few levels players are not going to wait for fun to happen and it is something universal for just any MMO out there. First few levels are very crucial to draw players in and get them hooked. And GW2 seems weak in that department.
'But it is just a tutorial' or 'fun starts after lvl 15' doesn't convince players like it used to.
This is something I saw in the Rift BWE's and actually happened to me. I got into Rift BWE 2, so very early on, and the 5 or so servers were packed and it was fantastic to see all the players running around the starter zones but the starter experience was very very lackluster for me but I carried on as I like to give games a good try before I admit they are not for me. When I got into Silverwood on the Guardian side I decided to avoid the quests and just jump into the Dynamic Events the Rifts and quite quickly I was in a zerg of about 40 players just running from rift to rift and after a couple of hours logged out absolutely buzzing as it was fresh and loads of fun, I then did the same the next day and was ready to buy the game but I held off because of my intial feelings about the starter zones, which I'm glad I'd done because.... The next beta weekend I decided to do a few quests and craft and try out other aspects of the game and thats when the shine really started to rub off. I started to see real problems with the game and they bugged me enough to stop playing. I did subsequently log in to the next BWE but couldn't play more than half an hour as it was really starting to bore the pants off me.
During this I was checking the MMORPG and Rift forums to see a similar pattern from Beta players, initial joy and buzzing from players loving it moved to, through BWE 3, 4, 5 etc.. more and more criticism like "rifts are all the same" "this game is boring me" "its a cookie cutter MMO" "Trion lied about the rifts being dynamic" and so on... and like Fadedbomb I posted a couple of my concerns in what I thought were reasoned threads on the Rift forums about leveling speed and the rifts not being dynamic and though I didn't get called hater and the like players were dismissing my posts out of hand as crazy talk, Rift was perfect and the "best MMO I've ever played" or "I've haven't had so much fun in a MMO for years" or my favorites "I don't have time to post gotta get back in game" and "everyone enjoying the beta is playing its only the haterZ on the forums" sound familiar?
And now I'm seeing the same pattern here as players get to play more and more of the game its inevitable that some are going to love the game and some will not but as what MMOEXPOSED and Fadedbomb have expressed we are not critcising for shits and giggles we are doing to because thats what we see and feel are genuine problems. Its just natural expression of passionate gamers and some of us have learned not to fall for hype or that new toy feeling we can be objective right from the get go. I enjoy SW:TOR for its storys, cutscenes, focus on alts and lack of grind, to me, but I still see static worlds, low pop servers, lack of community other than my guild and so on and GW2 will have problems too for some but of course not all players, thats the nature of MMO's these days but it doesn't make the players expressing these things haterZ..
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Swtor Ive said things about. Called it mediocre. Wasnt the only one.
However Ive never said a thing (as far as I can remember) about Rift.
As for Tera, I've only said it was beautiful graphically. Perhaps the most beautiful mmo I've ever seen. But I dont like sub fees (anymore) so its just not my deal.
I dont expect everyone to love GW2. I do expect some people to find it to be not their cup of tea. I would even suspect some will hate it for whatever reason. But today has just been nuts. Its odd and weird. Its just been GW2 attacks all day with a few actual players popping in and saying, " I dont know what you people are talking about. Its awesome! " and then ducking back out to go play some more.
GW2 is not and will not be the end all be all. But at the very least and I do mean the very least its going to be a competent game. More so, its probably going to be a "good" game. And good is good enough for me. I might even find it amazing.
But all these posts today are getting on my nerves. Where were you people who now seem to dislike GW2 last Beta weekend? Whats up with this? Last time it was just complaints about FPS and lag. Which most said that was okay because it was beta. While at the same time even those complaining about those issues still said the game seemed amazing. Now its "Dynamic Events suck" "PVP suddenly sucks" etc etc. Where were these complaints last beta weekend? Or the stress tests they've had? It was non existent until now. Suddenly now that the game is running smooth as butter its time to throw a fuss? Of all times? Yea Im not buying it.
If you are not playing GW2 dont complain. Dont pretend you are playing GW2, especially if you have gripped about it in the past having not even played it because you darn well didnt pre order if you hated it so much. This just doesnt add up. Now some of these people I know for a fact did, and have valid concerns. They are easy to see and pick out and I respect those guys.
But Im getting a heavy sense there are literally a good few dozen people commenting on the forums today that say they are playing and are absolutely not. Im not playing. I havent pre purchased yet. I have had NO ONE ELSE admit that today. Apparently ALL OF YOU are playing it. And half of you seem to hate it. And you hated it before now. And you bought it anyways. Yea......not buying it. Thanks anyways.
Cool, a dictionary. How about a verbal rebut?
MMO's are the ark of the gaming world. Let it take us in new directions.
When people will stop treating games like ideological schools that need to be defended or brought down, and more like what they are: games. Games that touch different people on different places.
Games need to be sold. Like soda or jeans. Yet I see no one complaining about that "Denim hype" or that "Ford Hype". And hype they do. They also pay magazines for good reviews, they also hyperbolyze stuff.
It is ludicrous to call what little marketing Anet has done so far the same MMO lietrain that we know all about. We can all remeber those games. Compare. Go ahead.
GW2 relies on no grinding at all (unless you like to keep bashing wolves in the middle of the forest for no good reason). Every little thing you do contribute to your progress. XP comes fast and furious, and I have to slow myself down a bit to enjoy the scenery and the details. Lineage 2 is a grindy game. WoW is a grindy game (gear treadmill).
I certainly don't feel that people MUST like it. Of course not. I have friends who didn't, each for a different reason. Others loved it, also for different reasons. As it should be. What irks me is smugness and lies.
No no. You are one of the ones with valid concerns I know who is playing it. I listen to you. Like I said I can kind of tell or half tell with most. I have no doubt you are in. I also have no doubt you try just about everything anyways. So thats a given. There are also many more like you.
What Im saying is I dont buy ALL the comments from certain people here. But you? No you say what you want. I'll read it. I have no doubt you are playing GW2. Im familiar with your posts. Im also familiar with others. Its SOME of the others I some what doubt. Nor will I call anyone out. Learned my lesson on that one.
My problem with this is that with AION, SWTOR, RIFT, TSW, and even GW2 I've tried to give fair shakes to the products & post reviews/previews of the product for what it IS and IS NOT. Yet, every time I'm rabidly attacked for the few months prior to, and after, release.
However, on almost every single one of those reviews/previews I did I've gotten appologies or "you were right"-s from people in PMs, emails, posts, etc.
So what do I take from this
? Do I continue to "attempt" healthy criticism of a product, or simply stop posting. It's seriously getting under my skin :'(.
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Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
Well see, I have come to a point where I notice that the people with the big $$$ can control the minds of the masses. We can call this Brainwashing, Marketing, whatever.Many people, especially avg consumers don't fully understand how deeply this "Marketing/Political" field of study goes. We underestimate how well these people can control what we like/see/think. These people study this kind of stuff for ages.
MMO developers are no different here. Throughout the years, these developers have made countless marketing scams to sell their product without crossing the legal border.
Look at a game like Dust514 from CCP, the developers of EvE. They are willingly and knowingly marketing their game as a MMOFPS which it isn't. But if a consumer were to take their word for it, then what? The meaning of a MMOFPS is vague and easily bended to fit your marketing needs.
Same thing has been done with many CORPG like DDO, and yours truly, Guild Wars 1. You and anybody else can say all they want, that Anet didn't advertise their game as a MMO, but that's a lie. Of course they did. GW1 marketing off it being F2P aka no sub with a online connection requirement, fooled media and masses into believing its a true blue MMO. Great marketing there. Others followed along. Add the word "Online" to the title and make it a Internet requirement t play, and now the masses assume its a MMO, which bring in more box sells.
Looking at your post here, I can see you seem to choose not to see the reality beyond the marketing, or you as many are in the consumer market, have falling into the purpose of marketing and hype. Your judgment is clouded from your emotional pleasures of marketing hype. But that's just my point of view of course, which your rightfully can disagree with me.
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I suggest a combination of both, actually. Rather, Stop posting reviews, those things above all others tend to bring out both the rabid haters and the rabid fanboys. Reviewing a game, from a neutral standpoint or otherwise, on these forums is like setting up a battlefield that will most assuredly get bloody.
I haven't always agreed with your posts, nor do I feel that I need to. You do tend to come off relatively level-headed about things which is a nice breath of fresh air around here. So for that, I say post to your hearts content, but try to avoid reviews if the negativity is getting to you.
id say post your critique and leave (when you feel like you cant handle it or just dont post at those times) or post it and ignore the morons and only reply to serious posts, at least here there tend to be more than enough people to deal with the morons anyways, its why im a lurker and dont post that often its just not worth it to me to get into a fight and get stressed out and shorten my life.
honestly tho with these forums just lurking still stresses me out, considering some of the blatant liers that have been around, *i think any of us who have been here for any decent amount of time remember Robert Dinh and that whole period of strawmen and such*. the human race as a whole just sorta makes me want to crawl into a corner and cry for a little bit, so i just try not to think about such things and only deal with what directly affects me.
EDIT: id also like to see a reply to my last post in this thread a page or so back, cuz i made a valid argument there and noone has replied or noticed it.
Ah ok, that's cool CH.
I'm not so sure if I agree with you though. It's not like it's a general shitstorm like D3 had to endure during the public beta, or Swtor for that matter. I still think the amount of nay sayers are very few in the case of GW2, comparitively speaking. But I suspect that has a lot to do with the short supply of free beta keys to give uninvested players a try.
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No no. You are one of the ones with valid concerns I know who is playing it. I listen to you. Like I said I can kind of tell or half tell with most. I have no doubt you are in. I also have no doubt you try just about everything anyways. So thats a given. There are also many more like you.
What Im saying is I dont buy ALL the comments from certain people here. But you? No you say what you want. I'll read it. I have no doubt you are playing GW2. Im familiar with your posts. Im also familiar with others. Its SOME of the others I some what doubt. Nor will I call anyone out. Learned my lesson on that one.
Well what about me. Do you doubt the opinions I expressed from the first beta weekend like many others have on this site? Remember when I brought attention to this topic of Melee vs ranged. That was shot down right? But was I wrong/ misleading of any balance issues?Hey what about that thread I made about the combat not being aim based like Tera. Was I a Lyar?
I am interested what people believe is the reasoning I would want to lie about this game?
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I haven't followed your posts nor do I feel the urge to look up your post history to see what you wrote on all those (not curious enough atm
), but I think that if you present your objections or issues in a fair way, with presenting both pros and cons you see with a game, most people won't really fault you for voicing your opinion except for maybe the most extreme fanbois or haters.
However, it is when people go into extremes - a game either 'completely sucks in everything' or is the 'best game evah' - or when you present your opinion as The Truth that discussion often gets polarised, and you'll see more people getting agressive and rude in their replies.
At a seminar I attended, the guy described communication like handing a glass of water to someone else: you can hand it to him or throwing it into his face, in both cases he'll have gotten the water (ie the message), but his reaction to it won't be the same in both cases.
Yeah I thought they ment "It stayed saved." Like they said it would.... That's hyoe for sure by the devs.
if i may interject, you seem to put a lot of spin on things from what posts i have seen you make, and make arguments that dont make much logical sense to me, tho honestly its past midnight here so i dont feel like an in depth discussion on that atm or going and finding those threads which is what would be required to properly make any points.
as for not being aim based like tera tho mostly ya, there was a lot of semantics in that thread and GW2 does indeed have aim based combat in it, tho im not all too thrilled with the invuln on the dodge, there are indeed hitboxes and projectiles dont follow a target (cept for very specific ones where that is stated as a part of the mechanic and you could still block it with an object in between you and it or some beam type attacks). the only true part there is that it is not "just like terra" or really even a lot like terra.
I think it's funny how "innovation" got tossed around with this game like it was going out of style. Public quests have been done before etc. Meanwhile CCP is trying to integrate an FPS world in DUST 514 with its online sandbox MMORPG in EVE Online - That's innovation, not redressing the same public quests we saw several years ago in WAR....
id like to point you to my post on page 5 if your being serious.
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Sure thing but hating it entirely? No. Again those saying they dont like it are singing the same tune they were before. BEFORE ever apparently playing it, and now they've taken the time to echo what they were saying before. I figure if I convince myself Im not going to like something I probably wont. Meanwhile those fans Ive seen posting are coming back and saying they love it even more so now that its more stable and are having a blast. The difference in tone today has been staggering. Ive seen a very few objective reviews saying things like, " I dont like this and this but I love this. " Instead its either " I LOVE IT" or " I HATE IT " . And both were singing the same tune going in. I've seen very few posts of die hard fans now saying there are problems. No. Its the same people who already didnt like the game for whatever reason now claiming they......dont like it for whatever reason. Big surprise. Meanwhile they'd probably get flamed into oblivion by GW2 fans. But...where are they? Where could they be? Playing and having a blast in GW2 probably.
Perhaps 'permanent' wasn't the correct word in hindsight. 'Persistent' is a better description, but admittedly that has less of a ring to it than 'permanent'. I'd have to look up the manifesto video if that's really the word she used, I assume by your comment that she had.
Truth of the system in GW2 is that right from the start it never is the case that you as player affect things in a permanent way, because the system is designed to change the area to the 'worse' as a counterforce to the effects that player actions are having in an area.
Or, we can go the other way around. Marketing is inherently overblown. It is a given, and anyone who doesn't understand that will buy a lot of plots of land in the sea or in the desert.
I didn't play GW1, for a number of reasons. One of them is what you pointed out: it was not an MMO, not in the format that I would like to play, anyway. I did my research, chose my side, and moved on.
I didn't feel compelled to undertake a holy crusade againt it (or any other game, in fact), though. Why? Caveat emptor. Poeple must know what they are buying. If you don't, you have none other than yourself to blame. And I already have a daughter to raise, I don't need to do parenting on the behalf of others.
Then came GW2, merry on its way. I did my research, I saw the videos, and I thought to myself: "Hm, this is worth the risk." After all, it's just an entry fee. So, GW2 was to be the game of May at home. They I played it, and I was very happy to see that the fan 'hype' was right, and that Anet chose to sell it in a non-shady way. They were upfront about features, yes and no's.
Then I look at a post like yours, and I shake my head in mute disbelief. I am very happy to see that you know my background, my relationship with games, marketing and media, and that you also delved into the depths of my very soul to proclaim this very modest opinion about me, or about whoever is enjoying the game you portented under an evil moon to be 'overhyped' and 'a marketing play'.
For that, I must humbly thank you. Please send your bank account to me via PM, since I feel that such a selfless effort cannot go unrewarded. I'll chip in, so you can keep fighting the good fight. The one man/woman who sees things in their true colors.
Exposing, as your humble nickname indicated, the flaw in all of us, mortals.
"Judgement clouded from your emotional pleasures of marketing hype"... get over yourself.
pathetic haters so pathetic
And he was never heard from again...
MMO's are the ark of the gaming world. Let it take us in new directions.
I was going to reply to something in this post, but then I realized what I was replying to had nothing to do with the post at all,then I realized I forgot entirely what the OP was...
So, in conclusion...I like pie?
OH where did the hype come from!?
GOTCHA, Hype almost always comes from a blend of 1/3rd developer, 2/3rds people. That's my opinion on the matter.
I would liek to reply to this point specificly. Like i said earlier players are getting to play in chunks and as people are goign higher in levels the repetitive nature of DE's is becoming more clear to them. I am not surprised personally because i never bought the BS by fans that DE's wil always stay fresh and new. So iam fine with repetitve nature of things after all it is a MMO right? repeititon is un avoidable.
However, i wasn't happy with game during first event and since then i have had a very mixed experince betwen amazing to meh. And i am sure i am not alone in this..people will love or hate things as we get to play more in future events. But like i said in another topic..if a game doesn't grab you in first few levels players are not going to wait for fun to happen and it is something universal for just any MMO out there. First few levels are very crucial to draw players in and get them hooked. And GW2 seems weak in that department.
'But it is just a tutorial' or 'fun starts after lvl 15' doesn't convince players like it used to.
I could be mistaken but I think it might have even been the poster above you that stated that DE's get really challenging and fun after level 15. Might have been another poster.
I agree and see your point that with gradual play things become more clear. However I cant be sure thats the case here.
Also the fact you are not enticed or hooked right away concernse me. Maybe its just not your thing. But more so, I too have found I can play a game for around 3-5 days and get a vibe of all it is. Regardless, it seems players who are doing those starter DEs are getting annoyed. Because its things like picking apples or defending silly farms. Not sure thats the best way to begin it all. Nor would it give some players much hope for the future. Ive never appreciated the, " It gets better later" stuff even if it is true. If it does indeed get more intense later thats great but at the same time it should have been pleasing to begin with and put fuel on your fire to play it. I have seen games do this before. Games I thought I hated but ended up loving. I had to try and stay with it several times. If GW2 is like that at all thats a shame. It should be epic from the out set.
But thats just me pondering as I haven't played it and you have. So you have me at a disadvantage regarding it all, so I'll keep in mind what you are saying and review it later when I do play.
This is something I saw in the Rift BWE's and actually happened to me. I got into Rift BWE 2, so very early on, and the 5 or so servers were packed and it was fantastic to see all the players running around the starter zones but the starter experience was very very lackluster for me but I carried on as I like to give games a good try before I admit they are not for me. When I got into Silverwood on the Guardian side I decided to avoid the quests and just jump into the Dynamic Events the Rifts and quite quickly I was in a zerg of about 40 players just running from rift to rift and after a couple of hours logged out absolutely buzzing as it was fresh and loads of fun, I then did the same the next day and was ready to buy the game but I held off because of my intial feelings about the starter zones, which I'm glad I'd done because.... The next beta weekend I decided to do a few quests and craft and try out other aspects of the game and thats when the shine really started to rub off. I started to see real problems with the game and they bugged me enough to stop playing. I did subsequently log in to the next BWE but couldn't play more than half an hour as it was really starting to bore the pants off me.
During this I was checking the MMORPG and Rift forums to see a similar pattern from Beta players, initial joy and buzzing from players loving it moved to, through BWE 3, 4, 5 etc.. more and more criticism like "rifts are all the same" "this game is boring me" "its a cookie cutter MMO" "Trion lied about the rifts being dynamic" and so on... and like Fadedbomb I posted a couple of my concerns in what I thought were reasoned threads on the Rift forums about leveling speed and the rifts not being dynamic and though I didn't get called hater and the like players were dismissing my posts out of hand as crazy talk, Rift was perfect and the "best MMO I've ever played" or "I've haven't had so much fun in a MMO for years" or my favorites "I don't have time to post gotta get back in game" and "everyone enjoying the beta is playing its only the haterZ on the forums" sound familiar?
And now I'm seeing the same pattern here as players get to play more and more of the game its inevitable that some are going to love the game and some will not but as what MMOEXPOSED and Fadedbomb have expressed we are not critcising for shits and giggles we are doing to because thats what we see and feel are genuine problems. Its just natural expression of passionate gamers and some of us have learned not to fall for hype or that new toy feeling we can be objective right from the get go. I enjoy SW:TOR for its storys, cutscenes, focus on alts and lack of grind, to me, but I still see static worlds, low pop servers, lack of community other than my guild and so on and GW2 will have problems too for some but of course not all players, thats the nature of MMO's these days but it doesn't make the players expressing these things haterZ..
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