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Took 3 years for Funcom to fix AoC. Any hope for SW?

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  • SoandsosoSoandsoso Member Posts: 533

    Reanor has made or posted in 3 different areas about not liking the game and going on about grind. As I said earlier, this poster has no intent to listen/discuss and has already made up his mind and is just trolling.

  • cutthecrapcutthecrap Member Posts: 600
    Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

    Guys, this thread is pointless. This is a post from the OP in the City of the Sun God article:

    "Great visuals, great places, great grind. Whats this city of  Sun god worth if you'll just have to go there and grind mobs or grind quests in there... I'd rather wait for GW2 or LOTRO Rohan expansion with mounted combat. Did anyone play Fallen Earth? Are you still playing? Then SW is for you, if you didn't last long in Fallen Earth the same will happen to you in Secret World.

    I've played both and to be honest as much as I dont like Fallen Earth in my few months try-outs I like it better than Secret World... Secret World reminds me of "Prototype" and "Infamous" except that in Secret World the only thing you can do is grind quests and mobs. Every quest is repeatable... Combat is very 'flat' and boring. And combat is what you will be doing 24/7 in SW. They could at least make it as little fun there was as there was in AoC.

    But Secret World is a new MMO, so yeah why not make it worse than in any other game they previously developed. Great going Funcom. Your worst MMO yet. Unless of course you make MMO for people to log in and to take some pictures and then log out..."

    I'm completly fine with criticism for any game, and TSW does have it's flaws (some aren't flaws to some, some are), but the OP doesn't seem to have any desire to actually accept the responses

    Yeah, it does seem like the OP's mind is fixed and set up and has no intention to play TSW at all, either bc of Funcom hatred or bc his mind is set on actually wanting another MMO to play.

  • jdnycjdnyc Member UncommonPosts: 1,643
    Originally posted by cutthecrap
     

    Yeah, it does seem like the OP's mind is fixed and set up and has no intention to play TSW at all, either bc of Funcom hatred or bc his mind is set on actually wanting another MMO to play.

    More likely bored and looking to troll.  Hence his numerous fishing attempts.

  • KuppaKuppa Member UncommonPosts: 3,292
    Originally posted by cutthecrap
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
    Originally posted by reanor

    Still struggling to be honest. But can you name 5 features that is unique to SW?

    I'll bite

    - Minecraft style crafting

    - Investigation missions

    - Sabotage missionsng

    - Hub-less, non liner questing

    - 3 faction pvp

    Are those really unique?

    Unique or not these features are pretty non standard. There is hardly anything unique or original, all devs can do is improve on existing features. Even GW2 isn't unique just improving on old features which started to become stale and stagnant.

    The question was unique. Getting old elements and transforming them into something different that no other game has is unique. For example I don't know of an MMO that has Mincraft style crafting or investigation missions. But there are some with 3 faction pvp and GW2 has hubless questing.

    Which btw I recall kingsmouth police office beign the definition of a quest hub.....

    Let's be brutally honest here, as good as no feature in an MMORPG is completely unique, they all - incl the features in GW2 - build further on features that in some form have already existed in other MMO's. That's if you want to be completely fair and objective about things. But hey, the same applies to other genres besides MMO's.

    Of course, you can look at things black & white (or as some like to do, a double standard of sometimes black&white and sometimes more nuanced and reasonable, depending whether someone likes or dislikes a game) or as a sliding scale from complete copy to completely unique as a feature.

    'unique' in MMO's as well as other gaming genres imo should really be regarded as 'rarely seen' or 'added twist or innovation to an existing feature'.

     

    Kingsmouth police office is the starting point where players get eased into a new area, so I can see why they'd want some more quests there. But 7 quests hardly makes it a hub, on top of that it's the only one you'll encounter, for the rest the quests and missions are all over the place.

    I won't touch the unique stuff anymore cause it never ends well. As far as kingsmouth I would definately say that police station was a hub, there isn't a minimum number of quests needed for an area with multiple quest givers to be called a hub. And that wasn't the only one, there are a couple of more in kingsmouth just that they have less than the police station.

    I will admit though that its not very linear. There are many quests just spread throughout the place and the fact that you can only carry certain number of quests also helps that. Of course its linear in the sense that you just cant go anywere you want, there are still limits to were you can go. But, withing a big area like Kingsmouth you could move around doing different quest hubs or the singular scattered quests.

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  • DannyGloverDannyGlover Member Posts: 1,277


    Originally posted by reanor
    Still struggling to be honest. But can you name 5 features that is unique to SW?

    Setting
    Ability Wheel
    Crafting
    ARGs
    Ability to create outdoor plays (buying stage props and theater /emotes acted out on the stage in the park)

    I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.

  • cutthecrapcutthecrap Member Posts: 600
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    As far as kingsmouth I would definately say that police station was a hub, there isn't a minimum number of quests needed for an area with multiple quest givers to be called a hub. And that wasn't the only one, there are a couple of more in kingsmouth just that they have less than the police station.

    I will admit though that its not very linear. There are many quests just spread throughout the place and the fact that you can only carry certain number of quests also helps that. Of course its linear in the sense that you just cant go anywere you want, there are still limits to were you can go. But, withing a big area like Kingsmouth you could move around doing different quest hubs or the singular scattered quests.

    Well, if that's your definition, then heart quests in GW2 are hub areas as well, since at every heart location there are a number of quests/events you can get busy with image But anyway, let us just let it rest, this will only be splitting hairs about definitions and interpretations in the end. I think we can both agree that GW2 as well as TSW in their approach towards quest delivery have taken a step away from the typical quest hub take of MMO's like WoW, LotrO, Rift, etc, each in their own way image

    As for the rest of the questions that the OP asked, I think other posts in this thread already picked that up, both the questions as well as the intent of the OP.

  • jdnycjdnyc Member UncommonPosts: 1,643
    Originally posted by cutthecrapI think we can both agree that GW2 as well as TSW in their approach towards quest delivery have taken a step away from the typical quest hub take of MMO's like WoW, LotrO, Rift, etc, each in their own way image

     

    100% agree

  • KuppaKuppa Member UncommonPosts: 3,292
    Originally posted by cutthecrap
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    As far as kingsmouth I would definately say that police station was a hub, there isn't a minimum number of quests needed for an area with multiple quest givers to be called a hub. And that wasn't the only one, there are a couple of more in kingsmouth just that they have less than the police station.

    I will admit though that its not very linear. There are many quests just spread throughout the place and the fact that you can only carry certain number of quests also helps that. Of course its linear in the sense that you just cant go anywere you want, there are still limits to were you can go. But, withing a big area like Kingsmouth you could move around doing different quest hubs or the singular scattered quests.

    Well, if that's your definition, then heart quests in GW2 are hub areas as well, since at every heart location there are a number of quests/events you can get busy with image But anyway, let us just let it rest, this will only be splitting hairs about definitions and interpretations in the end. I think we can both agree that GW2 as well as TSW in their approach towards quest delivery have taken a step away from the typical quest hub take of MMO's like WoW, LotrO, Rift, etc, each in their own way image

    As for the rest of the questions that the OP asked, I think other posts in this thread already picked that up, both the questions as well as the intent of the OP.

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  • atuerstaratuerstar Member Posts: 234

    Reasons Im into it.  

     

    1. Investigation missions - no quest markers, very little info given, need to research, think and explore to succeed

     

    2. Skill Wheel - the pvp applications alone make in depth gameplay like nothing else ive played while opening up a huge variation in pve approaches to world and dungeon difficult encounters

     

    3. Cosmetic - the clothing side being not gear related is hardly unique, the art direction does elevate this aspect to being worthy of note

     

    4. Its not just zombies - its modern interpretation of many dearly held mythos spanning many cultures and periods of human history, as well as some pure fictionally referenced entities

     

    5. Contemporary Suspense - the atmosphere of the world and the depth of the rabbit holes are some great set pieces with good story telling to support them with characters being more animated, colloquial and alive than biowares fourth pillar ever was

     

     I know these are not all mechanics - but lets be honest it still is an mmo. You have skills, you use them to kill stuff. You have health bars, the enemy has health bars. You do stuff for npc's, or you just do stuff for fun. The big catch for me was that it makes you approach all of that with a different mind set, feeling of anticipation, and willingness to adapt due to what unique mechanics it does have while presenting a well crafted atmospheric fascimile of the world we do have for all this madness to take place in.

  • Z3R01Z3R01 Member UncommonPosts: 2,426

    So AoC is fixed? time to check it out again. 

    Thanks.

    Playing: Nothing

    Looking forward to: Nothing 


  • KaocanKaocan Member UncommonPosts: 1,270
    Originally posted by Z3R01

    So AoC is fixed? time to check it out again. 

    Thanks.

    Funny, isn't it. How your off-topic post says what it says, right above your sig box that shows that you never actually played AoC to start with. I mean you showed games you played as little as 2 weeks, yet I just am not seeing AoC on that list. 

     

    So what exactly was the point of your post in this thread again?

     

    Ultima ONline (3 Years)
    EverQuest (2 Years)
    DAoC (2 Years) 
    SWG (2 Years) 
    Shadowbane (1 Year)
    World of Warcraft (3 Years)
    Guild Wars (2 Years)
    Eve Online (4 Years)
    Saga of Ryzom (2 Years)
    Lord of the Rings Online (5 Months)
    Warhammer Online (3 Months)
    RIFT (8 Months)
    SW: Old Republic (2 weeks LOL!)
    Guild Wars 2 (TBD)

    (DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)

  • Sameer1979Sameer1979 Member Posts: 362
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69
    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     


    Originally posted by reanor
    Still struggling to be honest. But can you name 5 features that is unique to SW?

     

    Setting
    Ability Wheel
    Crafting
    ARGs
    Ability to create outdoor plays (buying stage props and theater /emotes acted out on the stage in the park)

    Args arent in the actually game its a hype thing by funcom. Crafting is not original in anyway. Ability wheel its just a skill tree thats round. And where did you get that last one that sure as hell isnt in game.

    And? uniqueness is overrated anyways. if a MMO releases with non standard features which are not like your typical cookie cutter MMO it should be welcomed with open arms.

    The day you find a 100% innovative and unique MMO let me know i will join too till then anything non standard is good enough.

  • Z3R01Z3R01 Member UncommonPosts: 2,426
    Originally posted by Kaocan
    Originally posted by Z3R01

    So AoC is fixed? time to check it out again. 

    Thanks.

    Funny, isn't it. How your off-topic post says what it says, right above your sig box that shows that you never actually played AoC to start with. I mean you showed games you played as little as 2 weeks, yet I just am not seeing AoC on that list. 

     

    So what exactly was the point of your post in this thread again?

     

    Ultima ONline (3 Years)
    EverQuest (2 Years)
    DAoC (2 Years) 
    SWG (2 Years) 
    Shadowbane (1 Year)
    World of Warcraft (3 Years)
    Guild Wars (2 Years)
    Eve Online (4 Years)
    Saga of Ryzom (2 Years)
    Lord of the Rings Online (5 Months)
    Warhammer Online (3 Months)
    RIFT (8 Months)
    SW: Old Republic (2 weeks LOL!)
    Guild Wars 2 (TBD)

    I played AoC. Did the starting area and uninstall because when i played the games content passed level 20 wasn't that good. In themepark games I tend to be a quester, alt leveler and if the leveling content becomes bad i leave.

     

    I wasn't trying to troll and I wasn't trying to derail. Honestly i wouldnt have enough room to list every game i played. Should i put down that i played AoC for 4 days? lol

    Playing: Nothing

    Looking forward to: Nothing 


  • cutthecrapcutthecrap Member Posts: 600
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69

    I have little hope for it to be fixed by launch. The refuse to fix memory leaks on the 64 bit machines (yes it doesnt just affect old pcs but new up to date rigs). Hell theyve even stated that theyd rather lose 3k customers to a bug and fix a bug that affects 4k customers. Seems ass backwards to me.

    I think these exact comments you posted in other threads have already been stated again and again to be false or at best highly subjective perception and not representative at all for the real situation by other people in the know, you might want to look up what all those other posters already commented about this tale of yours in those other threads image

     

    But hey, you're in luck, other people'll find out themselves in the upcoming beta and find out for themselves how it works for them or not.

     

  • DarkDemon69DarkDemon69 Member Posts: 154
    Originally posted by cutthecrap
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69

    I have little hope for it to be fixed by launch. The refuse to fix memory leaks on the 64 bit machines (yes it doesnt just affect old pcs but new up to date rigs). Hell theyve even stated that theyd rather lose 3k customers to a bug and fix a bug that affects 4k customers. Seems ass backwards to me.

    I think these exact comments you posted in other threads have already been stated again and again to be false and not representative at all for the real situation by other people in the know, you might want to look up what all those other posters already commented about this tale of yours in those other threads image

     

    Nothing false about it I crash to desktop 3-5 times a night. Its not the pc, so say that the game isnt buggy I dont care, when launch hits everyone will see it for their own eyes, and the zealous fans wont be able to lie to others. Seriously wouldnt you have learned by now not to trust a fanboy?

  • Sameer1979Sameer1979 Member Posts: 362
    Originally posted by cutthecrap
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69

    I have little hope for it to be fixed by launch. The refuse to fix memory leaks on the 64 bit machines (yes it doesnt just affect old pcs but new up to date rigs). Hell theyve even stated that theyd rather lose 3k customers to a bug and fix a bug that affects 4k customers. Seems ass backwards to me.

    I think these exact comments you posted in other threads have already been stated again and again to be false and not representative at all for the real situation by other people in the know, you might want to look up what all those other posters already commented about this tale of yours in those other threads image

     

    I don't think anyone is buying it anyways. he is not the only one testing the beta and everyone else so far who are also testing the beta has already called BS on his claims. I swear i checked forums and i couldn't find anything regarding this in any CB discussion.

  • DarkDemon69DarkDemon69 Member Posts: 154
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by cutthecrap
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69

    I have little hope for it to be fixed by launch. The refuse to fix memory leaks on the 64 bit machines (yes it doesnt just affect old pcs but new up to date rigs). Hell theyve even stated that theyd rather lose 3k customers to a bug and fix a bug that affects 4k customers. Seems ass backwards to me.

    I think these exact comments you posted in other threads have already been stated again and again to be false and not representative at all for the real situation by other people in the know, you might want to look up what all those other posters already commented about this tale of yours in those other threads image

     

    I don't think anyone is buying it anyways. he is not the only one testing the beta and everyone else so far who are also testing the beta has already called BS on his claims. I swear i checked forums and i couldn't find anything regarding this in any CB discussion.

    Then you havent looked hard enough.

  • ZekiahZekiah Member UncommonPosts: 2,483

    The $50 dollar question. I know the answer though.

    "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  • jdnycjdnyc Member UncommonPosts: 1,643
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69
     

    Nothing false about it I crash to desktop 3-5 times a night. Its not the pc, so say that the game isnt buggy I dont care, when launch hits everyone will see it for their own eyes, and the zealous fans wont be able to lie to others. Seriously wouldnt you have learned by now not to trust a fanboy?

    While there are some bugs that have been causing CTD, this has nothing to do with memory leak issues.  In fact the only major memory leak issue I can remember was during the first beta weekend and fixed by the second.

    Also update your video driver.

  • Sameer1979Sameer1979 Member Posts: 362
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by cutthecrap
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69

    I have little hope for it to be fixed by launch. The refuse to fix memory leaks on the 64 bit machines (yes it doesnt just affect old pcs but new up to date rigs). Hell theyve even stated that theyd rather lose 3k customers to a bug and fix a bug that affects 4k customers. Seems ass backwards to me.

    I think these exact comments you posted in other threads have already been stated again and again to be false and not representative at all for the real situation by other people in the know, you might want to look up what all those other posters already commented about this tale of yours in those other threads image

     

    I don't think anyone is buying it anyways. he is not the only one testing the beta and everyone else so far who are also testing the beta has already called BS on his claims. I swear i checked forums and i couldn't find anything regarding this in any CB discussion.

    Then you havent looked hard enough.

    No infact i looked way too ahrd and found nothing. I am running 64 bit system and so is my brother and we had zero crashes. i asked my guildies too and no one has this problem or heard about it.

  • cutthecrapcutthecrap Member Posts: 600
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by cutthecrap
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69

    I have little hope for it to be fixed by launch. The refuse to fix memory leaks on the 64 bit machines (yes it doesnt just affect old pcs but new up to date rigs). Hell theyve even stated that theyd rather lose 3k customers to a bug and fix a bug that affects 4k customers. Seems ass backwards to me.

    I think these exact comments you posted in other threads have already been stated again and again to be false and not representative at all for the real situation by other people in the know, you might want to look up what all those other posters already commented about this tale of yours in those other threads image

     

    I don't think anyone is buying it anyways. he is not the only one testing the beta and everyone else so far who are also testing the beta has already called BS on his claims. I swear i checked forums and i couldn't find anything regarding this in any CB discussion.

    Then you havent looked hard enough.

    Mate, stop it before you embarass yourself even further. Don't act immature in your attempts of trying to convince that everyone has your problems just because you're pissed off that you're the one that's apparently having issues, only kids of 13-14 years old react like that.

    If you have a problem with playing the game, well, sucks for you, I feel sorry for you. But don't try to make it as if everyone else has your problems when that's obviously not the case, only because your hatred and anger needs some kind of outlet.

     

    Besides, people'll find out themselves in the upcoming days anyway, not only the ones that are in CB now (of which most if not all of them didn't have your problems btw)

  • DarkDemon69DarkDemon69 Member Posts: 154
    Originally posted by jdnyc
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69
     

    Nothing false about it I crash to desktop 3-5 times a night. Its not the pc, so say that the game isnt buggy I dont care, when launch hits everyone will see it for their own eyes, and the zealous fans wont be able to lie to others. Seriously wouldnt you have learned by now not to trust a fanboy?

    While there are some bugs that have been causing CTD, this has nothing to do with memory leak issues.  In fact the only major memory leak issue I can remember was during the first beta weekend and fixed by the second.

    Also update your video driver.

    Way to act like someone doesnt know what they are doing, my driver is up to date tyvm.

  • jdnycjdnyc Member UncommonPosts: 1,643
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69
     

    Args arent in the actually game its a hype thing by funcom. Crafting is not original in anyway. Ability wheel its just a skill tree thats round. And where did you get that last one that sure as hell isnt in game.

    Really?  What's Kingsmouth Code then?

  • jdnycjdnyc Member UncommonPosts: 1,643
    Originally posted by DarkDemon69
     

    Way to act like someone doesnt know what they are doing, my driver is up to date tyvm.

    Then it's something else with your PC.  Perhaps video card is under spec for the game?  Lower video settings for the game?

  • ShakyMoShakyMo Member CommonPosts: 7,207
    Lol.its always funny when you get stupid comments from people who obviously haven't played. "ability wheel is just a round skill tree" lol.
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