Ultimately for me, I'm not going to play TSW simply because it has a subscription. Yes, if it was just a cash shop and box sale I'd play it, but i'm not paying a monthly fee for it, or anything else any longer for that matter. 10 years ago a fee made sense, I was told it was needed for content development and maint. I no longer believe that to be true. I think that a sub is there strictly to make extra money because they can. I've decided I won't be contributing towards that. I'll play GW2 and happily choose wether or not I want to spend in the cash shop or buy DLC as it comes out, but I won't be forced to pay 15 bucks for stuff I may or may not want anyhow.
Take SWTOR for example. I played from day 1 so 6 months roughly. Only 90 bucks total, not a lot of money. I played the game hardcore for the first 2 months. Lightened up the next 2 and all but forgot the game entirely the last 2. In that duration, for my 90 dollars I got a content update that included 1 raid, 1 dungeon and 1 PvP map. I also got a whole system of Alternative advancement I simply didn't want. I didn't want the PVP map for that matter either. Ultimately I paid them 90 dollars for a raid and a dungeon. The raid I only finished once...at least the dungeon was fun for a time?
For those that say 15 a month is no big deal, break it down to what you actually get for that month and see if you change your mind. They don't need your sub for content and they don't need it to maintain anything. Ultimately any real content or addition of fun stuff to the game is likely to come your way via expansion anyhow, which you'll be paying for...as well as your sub.
SO, yeah, GW2 for me. I can buy the game, play it without paying in each month and should I so CHOOSE to do so, I can use the cash shop and buy some sparkly dyes or a mini pet or something, and when they have DLC which I'm pretty sure it's how they intend to make money in the long run..I can CHOOSE to purchase that if it interests me as well.
This way, I suspect should I spend 90 bucks I'll have been okay with it as I chose what I wanted for that 90. Sure beats what I paid 90 bucks for in swtor..
The expectation is that GW2 will keep releasing "mini-expansions" every few months which will force players to pay money - thus leading to a stealth subscription fee of sorts. Whether that's true or not remains to be seen.
I like how people complain a game was "killed" ::NEWSFLASH:: it still running . a game isnt killed until the servers come down and its gone for good. also p2p models are a little better then f2p only because the community and community is whats makes the game.in f2p everyone can come in and its always the little crybaby trolls that ruin it for everyone, in a f2p model sure youll get crybabies but they will be gone once the month is up. But just to complain about a cosmetic cash shop thats just dumb you people make it seem like they are holding a gun to your head and force you to buy from it.
On topic: I refuse to support a company that charges users a box price, sub and include a cash shop.
Unless they make a clearly superior game.
Then they can charge all that the market will bear.
But we haven't seen one of those, in a lot of years now.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
On topic: I refuse to support a company that charges users a box price, sub and include a cash shop.
Unless they make a clearly superior game.
Then they can charge all that the market will bear.
But we haven't seen one of those, in a lot of years now.
For most people that's propably true.
I personally still would not play it.
Well unless they would offer separate no CS servers even for bit higher sub.
It's not only about amount of money it is also about what CS (and RMT for that matter) do to gameplay, game mechanics, few other things and most of all what CS do to immersion. For me it totally ruin it.
Considering how many people I saw rush to the defense of another upcoming title's cash shop with claims like, "Who cares if they offer a cash shop? I work and make a comfortable living, so I can afford to spend my real cash if I want to", I find it interesting that so many of those people come to the TSW threads to bash their sub+cash shop system, then preach the virtues of that other title's no-subscription model, knowing full well that the cash shop PLUS regular expansions THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR will be the way the other company sustains itself.
Many don't have a lot of extra money to spend right now. Could this be a motivating factor to why so many people want to play TSW, but don't want to pay the sub? They hope it goes F2P, so they'll get a chance to play themselves? Or is this really about GW2?
It's not about any of those things. People want to play games and don't want to pay for them - period.
People that refuse to play a game they like because it has a cash shop which they don't use or need to use are morons.
People that think that a game somehow becomes "better" because of a different payment model are also morons. The game is excatly the same regardless of how much you pay for it.
People just look for reasons to complain or reasons to get shit free. If you like a game, buy it and play it. If you don't like the game, you're not going to like it more because you're not paying for it. The game stays the same.
The only potential difference is if you want to keep multiple games and you have a limited budget. If you can only afford to pay 1 sub but like a whole bunch of games, then you obvoiusly would want more of those games to be F2P. But that is predicated on actually admitting that you LIKE those games, because like i said - if you don't LIKE it, then you shoudln't want to play it, even if it's free.
It seems like every second post on just about any new MMO forums is about "oh i'd like it if it were free", when the reality is that it would be the exact same frackin' game even if it was free, so if you don't like it now, you wouldn't like then. Man up and move on.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
People that refuse to play a game they like because it has a cash shop which they don't use or need to use are morons.
I don't really see how someone standing by their principles if they believe a certain payment model is detrimental, greedy, etc. somehow makes them a moron. Seems very shortsighted to me.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
People that refuse to play a game they like because it has a cash shop which they don't use or need to use are morons.
I don't really see how someone standing by their principles if they believe a certain payment model is detrimental, greedy, etc. somehow makes them a moron. Seems very shortsighted to me.
Games these days don't have a lot of longevity, so being anything but shortsighted is a not a smart approach. By the time the "longsighted" people are done standing on the sidewalk with their "we shall not play TSW until you remove cash shop!" signs, the rest of us would have played and enjoyed the game for a few months and moved on to the next one.
Also, if you want to more effectively "demonstrate" your dislike of the cash shop, it's actually more effective to buy the game but NOT use it. To a developer, the statistic of "% of players that don't use cash shop" is a lot more relevant than the "% of non-players who posted distaste on forums but probably wouldn't have bought the game anyway". If a thousand people buy a game and none of them buy anything in the cash shop, it sends a clear signal to the developer that they need to make their money via expansions or other "traditional" methods.
But in the end, the question comes down to whether you like the game or not. It's the same with cash shops, instances, pvp, etc. People constantly say stupdi shit like "i love the game, except it has instances, so i won't play". Well, newsflash.. if it has instances and you're having fun playing... wtf difference does it make that it has instances (or battlegrounds or cash shop)?
It's a game dude, if you're having fun, it's worth it. If you're having fun, then buy the game, pay the developer for making something you enjoy, pay them for doing a good job, pay them for potentially upgrading the game, pay them for staying in the industry and one day *maybe* making another game for you to enjoy.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
People who think that gameplay is not altered if game have CS or is F2P are morons.
See what I did?
Not sure what you're driving at there...
One faction of players refuses to play sub-based MMO's because "they are purposely made more "grindy" so that players will pay monthly for longer".
Another faction of players refuses to play F2P MMO's because "they are purposely made more "grindy" so that players will pay for cash shop xp boosts and potions and similar ways of making things happen faster".
It's only a matter of time before some faction of players refuses to pay for B2P MMO's because "they are purposely made more "grindy" so that players will be kept busy until the next DLC or expansion is ready for purchase".
So we have to conclude that all MMO's are purposely made more "grindy", regardless of the payment method.
And judging from opinions expressed all over these forums, any developer that does not allow you to play their AAA MMO without charge or restriction, is simply a money-grabbing and greedy exploiter...
I'm continually amazed at the range of inventive justifications people come up with to avoid having to pay for playing MMO's, lol.
Games these days don't have a lot of longevity, so being anything but shortsighted is a not a smart approach. By the time the "longsighted" people are done standing on the sidewalk with their "we shall not play TSW until you remove cash shop!" signs, the rest of us would have played and enjoyed the game for a few months and moved on to the next one.
Noone sane is saying "remove cash shop and we'll play" - those days are long gone.
Most people realized that at that this stage cash shop won't be removed.
It would alter business plan, Funcom would have to explain this to investors, etc
As for 'games don't have longevity' - hey that's what many people expressing here are against. Many people don't want to 'play for a few weeks / months and move to next one'.
Buying every new games and moving on to next one will just strenghten this trend. After all that's why it appeared in first place.
I know plenty people who just simply don't even try to play mmorpg's new or old ones. Free or not-free ones.
Since they had enough of constant hopping and moving to next one.
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there is growing number of people going to play other online genres, non-rpg mmos and moba and other lobby-instanced games.
Mmorpg genre in west will get smaller.
Online and other mmo gaming will not.
But that's for the best. Mmorpg industry need some shaking up.
I'm continually amazed at the range of inventive justifications people come up with to avoid having to pay for playing MMO's, lol.
I am amazed that you're actually trying to tell me that if someone want to play no-cash shop - PAY TO PLAY game - does NOT want to pay.
Hilarious.
Because what they want is F2P & No Cash Shop. They DON"T want P2P.
Pardon any spelling errors
Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
People who think that gameplay is not altered if game have CS or is F2P are morons.
See what I did?
You made a blanket statement with no foundation? I don't know about "people" in general, but my opinion of added F2P and CS not changing gaemplay is actually based on first-hand experience across multiple games that used to be P2P but then had cash shops and/or F2P added to them.
For years I've been playing the MMOs that have at some point received CS or F2P add-ons - AO, EQ2 and LoTRO. Neither game's gameplay (or my enjoyment of it) has changed the least bit since the introduction of these. This is not opinion, this is a fact - all the exact same content that was available prior to F2P/CS is still available post F2P/CS. Someone that paid a sub in AO, EQ2 or LoTRO before cash shop, now still has the exact same game to enjoy after cash shop introduction.
There are potentially some fringe benefits like having more people around, etc., but there are probably tradeoffs as well, so all around it's a wash.
I liked all three games before the cash shop and nothing about the gameplay changed with cash shop that would change my opinion of liking them now. I've never used or felt complelled to use the cash shop in either game except to buy game content which i would have bought in the form of expansions even without the cash shop.
Things of course depend on the type of cash shop a game has, but it all goes back to my initial point of having to like the game in the first place.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
Considering how many people I saw rush to the defense of another upcoming title's cash shop with claims like, "Who cares if they offer a cash shop? I work and make a comfortable living, so I can afford to spend my real cash if I want to", I find it interesting that so many of those people come to the TSW threads to bash their sub+cash shop system, then preach the virtues of that other title's no-subscription model, knowing full well that the cash shop PLUS regular expansions THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR will be the way the other company sustains itself.
Besides the last part, which is pure speculation, the simple difference is that that other upcoming title does not charge a subscription fee. Yes, it's as simple as that.
BTW can you name an MMORPG that does not charge for expansions?
Considering how many people I saw rush to the defense of another upcoming title's cash shop with claims like, "Who cares if they offer a cash shop? I work and make a comfortable living, so I can afford to spend my real cash if I want to", I find it interesting that so many of those people come to the TSW threads to bash their sub+cash shop system, then preach the virtues of that other title's no-subscription model, knowing full well that the cash shop PLUS regular expansions THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR will be the way the other company sustains itself.
Besides the last part, which is pure speculation, the simple difference is that that other upcoming title does not charge a subscription fee. Yes, it's as simple as that.
BTW can you name an MMORPG that does not charge for expansions?
EVE-Online.
Two expansions each year since launch in 2003. Monthly sub only, no charge for the expansions. Ever.
It's no doubt that of recent years we've dealt with F2P models and people wanting F2P models. Money seems to be a chief motivating factor in this. People don't want to spend money on a game and then sub for it. They would rather buy a game and rely on the next guy that can afford it, spend the money in cash shops to continue funding a game.
Many don't have a lot of extra money to spend right now. Could this be a motivating factor to why so many people want to play TSW, but don't want to pay the sub? They hope it goes F2P, so they'll get a chance to play themselves? Or is this really about GW2?
For me this is an issue literally. I simply can't afford to buy a game and pay for a sub. Judging by the responses thus far, and the comments regardimg the game, it doesn't seem to be a huge issue for most people. For me it is the biggest issue.
For me this is an issue literally. I simply can't afford to buy a game and pay for a sub. Judging by the responses thus far, and the comments regardimg the game, it doesn't seem to be a huge issue for most people. For me it is the biggest issue.
Honestly man? If you're that hard up for money then I think least for the time being you need to forego gaming and get some other things in order.
...and no I'm not trying to flame or insult you. I just feel if you're in that type of financial situation then there are more important things to attend to than video games.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Considering how many people I saw rush to the defense of another upcoming title's cash shop with claims like, "Who cares if they offer a cash shop? I work and make a comfortable living, so I can afford to spend my real cash if I want to", I find it interesting that so many of those people come to the TSW threads to bash their sub+cash shop system, then preach the virtues of that other title's no-subscription model, knowing full well that the cash shop PLUS regular expansions THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR will be the way the other company sustains itself.
Besides the last part, which is pure speculation, the simple difference is that that other upcoming title does not charge a subscription fee. Yes, it's as simple as that.
BTW can you name an MMORPG that does not charge for expansions?
EVE-Online.
Two expansions each year since launch in 2003. Monthly sub only, no charge for the expansions. Ever.
One niche game is not exactly industry standard, won't you agree?
Considering how many people I saw rush to the defense of another upcoming title's cash shop with claims like, "Who cares if they offer a cash shop? I work and make a comfortable living, so I can afford to spend my real cash if I want to", I find it interesting that so many of those people come to the TSW threads to bash their sub+cash shop system, then preach the virtues of that other title's no-subscription model, knowing full well that the cash shop PLUS regular expansions THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR will be the way the other company sustains itself.
Besides the last part, which is pure speculation, the simple difference is that that other upcoming title does not charge a subscription fee. Yes, it's as simple as that.
BTW can you name an MMORPG that does not charge for expansions?
EVE-Online.
Two expansions each year since launch in 2003. Monthly sub only, no charge for the expansions. Ever.
hahah when ever I make a "Never", or "only" statment I give a (EVE disclaimer) lol
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Ultimately for me, I'm not going to play TSW simply because it has a subscription. Yes, if it was just a cash shop and box sale I'd play it, but i'm not paying a monthly fee for it, or anything else any longer for that matter. 10 years ago a fee made sense, I was told it was needed for content development and maint. I no longer believe that to be true. I think that a sub is there strictly to make extra money because they can. I've decided I won't be contributing towards that. I'll play GW2 and happily choose wether or not I want to spend in the cash shop or buy DLC as it comes out, but I won't be forced to pay 15 bucks for stuff I may or may not want anyhow.
Take SWTOR for example. I played from day 1 so 6 months roughly. Only 90 bucks total, not a lot of money. I played the game hardcore for the first 2 months. Lightened up the next 2 and all but forgot the game entirely the last 2. In that duration, for my 90 dollars I got a content update that included 1 raid, 1 dungeon and 1 PvP map. I also got a whole system of Alternative advancement I simply didn't want. I didn't want the PVP map for that matter either. Ultimately I paid them 90 dollars for a raid and a dungeon. The raid I only finished once...at least the dungeon was fun for a time?
For those that say 15 a month is no big deal, break it down to what you actually get for that month and see if you change your mind. They don't need your sub for content and they don't need it to maintain anything. Ultimately any real content or addition of fun stuff to the game is likely to come your way via expansion anyhow, which you'll be paying for...as well as your sub.
SO, yeah, GW2 for me. I can buy the game, play it without paying in each month and should I so CHOOSE to do so, I can use the cash shop and buy some sparkly dyes or a mini pet or something, and when they have DLC which I'm pretty sure it's how they intend to make money in the long run..I can CHOOSE to purchase that if it interests me as well.
This way, I suspect should I spend 90 bucks I'll have been okay with it as I chose what I wanted for that 90. Sure beats what I paid 90 bucks for in swtor..
If this happens...
I like how people complain a game was "killed" ::NEWSFLASH:: it still running . a game isnt killed until the servers come down and its gone for good. also p2p models are a little better then f2p only because the community and community is whats makes the game.in f2p everyone can come in and its always the little crybaby trolls that ruin it for everyone, in a f2p model sure youll get crybabies but they will be gone once the month is up. But just to complain about a cosmetic cash shop thats just dumb you people make it seem like they are holding a gun to your head and force you to buy from it.
Unless they make a clearly superior game.
Then they can charge all that the market will bear.
But we haven't seen one of those, in a lot of years now.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
For most people that's propably true.
I personally still would not play it.
Well unless they would offer separate no CS servers even for bit higher sub.
It's not only about amount of money it is also about what CS (and RMT for that matter) do to gameplay, game mechanics, few other things and most of all what CS do to immersion. For me it totally ruin it.
Considering how many people I saw rush to the defense of another upcoming title's cash shop with claims like, "Who cares if they offer a cash shop? I work and make a comfortable living, so I can afford to spend my real cash if I want to", I find it interesting that so many of those people come to the TSW threads to bash their sub+cash shop system, then preach the virtues of that other title's no-subscription model, knowing full well that the cash shop PLUS regular expansions THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR will be the way the other company sustains itself.
It's not about any of those things. People want to play games and don't want to pay for them - period.
People that refuse to play a game they like because it has a cash shop which they don't use or need to use are morons.
People that think that a game somehow becomes "better" because of a different payment model are also morons. The game is excatly the same regardless of how much you pay for it.
People just look for reasons to complain or reasons to get shit free. If you like a game, buy it and play it. If you don't like the game, you're not going to like it more because you're not paying for it. The game stays the same.
The only potential difference is if you want to keep multiple games and you have a limited budget. If you can only afford to pay 1 sub but like a whole bunch of games, then you obvoiusly would want more of those games to be F2P. But that is predicated on actually admitting that you LIKE those games, because like i said - if you don't LIKE it, then you shoudln't want to play it, even if it's free.
It seems like every second post on just about any new MMO forums is about "oh i'd like it if it were free", when the reality is that it would be the exact same frackin' game even if it was free, so if you don't like it now, you wouldn't like then. Man up and move on.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
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People who think that gameplay is not altered if game have CS or is F2P are morons.
See what I did?
I don't really see how someone standing by their principles if they believe a certain payment model is detrimental, greedy, etc. somehow makes them a moron. Seems very shortsighted to me.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Games these days don't have a lot of longevity, so being anything but shortsighted is a not a smart approach. By the time the "longsighted" people are done standing on the sidewalk with their "we shall not play TSW until you remove cash shop!" signs, the rest of us would have played and enjoyed the game for a few months and moved on to the next one.
Also, if you want to more effectively "demonstrate" your dislike of the cash shop, it's actually more effective to buy the game but NOT use it. To a developer, the statistic of "% of players that don't use cash shop" is a lot more relevant than the "% of non-players who posted distaste on forums but probably wouldn't have bought the game anyway". If a thousand people buy a game and none of them buy anything in the cash shop, it sends a clear signal to the developer that they need to make their money via expansions or other "traditional" methods.
But in the end, the question comes down to whether you like the game or not. It's the same with cash shops, instances, pvp, etc. People constantly say stupdi shit like "i love the game, except it has instances, so i won't play". Well, newsflash.. if it has instances and you're having fun playing... wtf difference does it make that it has instances (or battlegrounds or cash shop)?
It's a game dude, if you're having fun, it's worth it. If you're having fun, then buy the game, pay the developer for making something you enjoy, pay them for doing a good job, pay them for potentially upgrading the game, pay them for staying in the industry and one day *maybe* making another game for you to enjoy.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
Not sure what you're driving at there...
One faction of players refuses to play sub-based MMO's because "they are purposely made more "grindy" so that players will pay monthly for longer".
Another faction of players refuses to play F2P MMO's because "they are purposely made more "grindy" so that players will pay for cash shop xp boosts and potions and similar ways of making things happen faster".
It's only a matter of time before some faction of players refuses to pay for B2P MMO's because "they are purposely made more "grindy" so that players will be kept busy until the next DLC or expansion is ready for purchase".
So we have to conclude that all MMO's are purposely made more "grindy", regardless of the payment method.
And judging from opinions expressed all over these forums, any developer that does not allow you to play their AAA MMO without charge or restriction, is simply a money-grabbing and greedy exploiter...
I'm continually amazed at the range of inventive justifications people come up with to avoid having to pay for playing MMO's, lol.
Noone sane is saying "remove cash shop and we'll play" - those days are long gone.
Most people realized that at that this stage cash shop won't be removed.
It would alter business plan, Funcom would have to explain this to investors, etc
As for 'games don't have longevity' - hey that's what many people expressing here are against. Many people don't want to 'play for a few weeks / months and move to next one'.
Buying every new games and moving on to next one will just strenghten this trend. After all that's why it appeared in first place.
I know plenty people who just simply don't even try to play mmorpg's new or old ones. Free or not-free ones.
Since they had enough of constant hopping and moving to next one.
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there is growing number of people going to play other online genres, non-rpg mmos and moba and other lobby-instanced games.
Mmorpg genre in west will get smaller.
Online and other mmo gaming will not.
But that's for the best. Mmorpg industry need some shaking up.
I am amazed that you're actually trying to tell me that if someone want to play no-cash shop - PAY TO PLAY game - does NOT want to pay.
Hilarious.
I don't care if it cost money to play.
The amount it cost for 1 month of game time is so incredibly small compared to what I pay for gass to my car, or whatever, who the hell gives a shit.
Would you pay a less fun game because of some principles? :P lol then you've got a big ego.
Because what they want is F2P & No Cash Shop. They DON"T want P2P.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
who?
Cause what I see in this thread is people who say that sub AND CS are bad together in one product.
Maybe I have selective eyes though.
You made a blanket statement with no foundation? I don't know about "people" in general, but my opinion of added F2P and CS not changing gaemplay is actually based on first-hand experience across multiple games that used to be P2P but then had cash shops and/or F2P added to them.
For years I've been playing the MMOs that have at some point received CS or F2P add-ons - AO, EQ2 and LoTRO. Neither game's gameplay (or my enjoyment of it) has changed the least bit since the introduction of these. This is not opinion, this is a fact - all the exact same content that was available prior to F2P/CS is still available post F2P/CS. Someone that paid a sub in AO, EQ2 or LoTRO before cash shop, now still has the exact same game to enjoy after cash shop introduction.
There are potentially some fringe benefits like having more people around, etc., but there are probably tradeoffs as well, so all around it's a wash.
I liked all three games before the cash shop and nothing about the gameplay changed with cash shop that would change my opinion of liking them now. I've never used or felt complelled to use the cash shop in either game except to buy game content which i would have bought in the form of expansions even without the cash shop.
Things of course depend on the type of cash shop a game has, but it all goes back to my initial point of having to like the game in the first place.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
Besides the last part, which is pure speculation, the simple difference is that that other upcoming title does not charge a subscription fee. Yes, it's as simple as that.
BTW can you name an MMORPG that does not charge for expansions?
EVE-Online.
Two expansions each year since launch in 2003. Monthly sub only, no charge for the expansions. Ever.
For me this is an issue literally. I simply can't afford to buy a game and pay for a sub. Judging by the responses thus far, and the comments regardimg the game, it doesn't seem to be a huge issue for most people. For me it is the biggest issue.
I agree 100%
Honestly man? If you're that hard up for money then I think least for the time being you need to forego gaming and get some other things in order.
...and no I'm not trying to flame or insult you. I just feel if you're in that type of financial situation then there are more important things to attend to than video games.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
One niche game is not exactly industry standard, won't you agree?
hahah when ever I make a "Never", or "only" statment I give a (EVE disclaimer) lol