If you're wondering about purchasing this game......

Rekindle

For 1 week the boards for the EQ2 board have been splattered with how bad EQ2 sucks.  For the same period of time the WoW boards have been filled wtih player questions about the game, comments and feed back about game elements.

i.e. One game has a very strong and pleased player base, the other has boards full of once loyal members of the Everquest community feeling totally ripped off and let down.

One game is $20 more then the other.  People whine and complain that the WoW servers are queued up.  Thats only because the demand for this game has defeated the expectations of the makers....I can think of worse problems for a game title. One game maker makes a promise and follows through, the other doesn't and locks threads when you ask about it. 

Download the trial of EQ2, and play it, then realize that WoW has no trial because it doesn't need one.

Kane

Hey mods, can I get a TOPIC DELETED over here? Yeesh...troll.

FallenOne77

Wow.. looks like they got the marketing department for Sony demoted to defending opinion based threads. The fact is the OP is entirely correct having played both. The truth hurts...pick a corner and cry.

Kane

Hm...no. He's just being a troll.

Knoxay

You're talking about these boards? These boards are overrun by WoW fans/SOE haters. More anti-EQ2 people post in the EQ2 section than people that actually play the game. If you think "your game" is so much better why can't you just leave these boards alone and go play it or talk about it on it's own board.

If you're talking about EQ2's official boards then it's only bad if you're actively looking for unhappy people. All MMO's have people that disagree with how things in the game are handled.

FallenOne77

Fact is I came from 6 Years on Ayonae-Ro to the long wait for EQ2. So stereotyping us by the game I currently play does not mean we are no longer relevant to posting opinions about the feedback on these games, as this is what they are for. Overall sony #$%^E up. They drove to much into revenue and forgot about the players, simple. I guarantee sony's knows it. Argue, flame, cry - In the end we all know it.  I'm not here to bash EQ2, play it, fine.. go ahead, what ever it is just keep doing it. I enjoy WoW, yeah it is a great game.  But what i truly wanted to see was the great memories of the legendary original flurish into new adventures and still maintain that addictinve environment. Ask me, you took EQ2's game engine, slapped it over EQ1, frig, milk the $$ out of that, $%^ I'd be the first sucker to by it... Still expansions and work to be done, add balanced pvp, and there's a whole new ball game.

And seriously, take the %$@in' /pizza command out...nothing more then a blatent masked opportunity to pull in more cash and contacts in the background.

Oink Oink!

 

darquenblade

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Originally posted by Rekindle
For 1 week the boards for the EQ2 board have been splattered with how bad EQ2 sucks. For the same period of time the WoW boards have been filled wtih player questions about the game, comments and feed back about game elements.
i.e. One game has a very strong and pleased player base, the other has boards full of once loyal members of the Everquest community feeling totally ripped off and let down.
One game is $20 more then the other. People whine and complain that the WoW servers are queued up. Thats only because the demand for this game has defeated the expectations of the makers....I can think of worse problems for a game title. One game maker makes a promise and follows through, the other doesn't and locks threads when you ask about it.
Download the trial of EQ2, and play it, then realize that WoW has no trial because it doesn't need one.

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Strange. You must go to a different 'official' WoW message board than I do..because the one I go to has nothing but bitchers and whiners.

Rekindle

My message sent to the Vanguard boards, put here because its realavent to

 the current topic.

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Obviously the title of this thread is an opinion....and I know its long....but something’s gotta be said:

I come from the world of Ultima Online, no pun intended, but it was my origin. I strongly doubt there's anyone left who would remember my msg board name as Locutus, and my in game persona as Cadman (maybe the odd dev!! :P). However, nonetheless, through these two characters, and the board name Locutus, I truly became immersed in the whole online gaming thing.


Then came Norrath, oh beautiful Norrath in all its splendor and deep, compelling mystery. On the shores of LOIO I came into my own, not only in character development, but in my appreciation of the sheer depth the game world presented to me. Every place had a story and history and I was either partaking in its discovery, or making it myself.

The world was more then a collection of quests, it had a heart. The EQ community made that world as much as the Devs did. More then the influence of marketing, Norrath was some virtual place of adventure and fun.

Now today's "2nd generation" MMOS have all been a big let down. Even in the evolution of the older titles it has been lost. The graphics have been modernized, the quest engine refined. Both rock solid titles out right now have a well thought out combat system. But they all seem to lack something, something major, something over looked in this day and age of competitive beta testing strategies, marketing plans and pixel shader cards. Both games lack a heart.

I want to step into a place like the Tower of Frozen Shadow again. I want to hear the quiet hum like the temple of life. I've just demoed two rehashed, soulless versions of the same game with the two titles out there.

I had hoped EQII was what I was looking for. However, I've become convinced EQ II will never be what I was looking for. After looking into greater detail I realized it was because the people who made EQII were not the same people who made our beloved original. I am not here on your boards to disrespect those that have been left behind to carry on your creations. Nor am I here expecting you to publish a revised copy of Norrath. But I believe it was your guy’s ideas and spirit I connected to the most.

To the "all star" team: we've found you 

To the fledgling community that has found Vanguard, to those that were in Dungeon Deciet, to those that felt “that” feeling the first time they saw Kelethin, to those that feel that nothing out there today comes even close, I say: Lets support these guys. To the devs that are putting your heart and soul into this product I say: we support you if what you plan on bringing back what has been lost.

Bring back the feeling and discovery, the progression through a cohesive and meaningful plot line. Bring back the endless discovery and the rewarding challenges to be found. Make new stories of like Mistmoore, new twisted evil places like the Tower Of Frozen Shadow.

Pay more attention to these things then the flawless character models and cookie cutter quests and renamed craftable items. START with the story, build the game around the story, not the other way around.

Do all of these things, don’t just say it like others and not really understand. If you do these things you will show us that you are the last hope for rekindling those feelings. The ambiguous and indescribable feelings. If you can suck me into roaming a place like the Karanas again you will rise above the rest. You will have a world that has a heart, and a committed player base and community that will come to you and give your world life.

Please show the real world how a real game is made and all bets are on we will come.

ps. Please make it rain too.....rl RPG's need rain .....
-and plz use ex UO devs to make the crafting system and pvp

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Wickes

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Originally posted by darquenblade
Strange. You must go to a different 'official' WoW message board than I do..because the one I go to has nothing but bitchers and whiners.

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No kidding.  Unfortunately the WOW crowd on this board, often showing ages in the low to mid teens, just asks when to bend over and how far.

Mods, can we get some of this crap locked down/banned/whatever already??

Enough is enough.  Nobody here minds serious analysis and critique, but this constant barrage of WOW idiot troll garbage is getting old when the rest of us would like to have a productive forum for our game. 

darquenblade

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Originally posted by Wickes
Originally posted by darquenblade
Strange. You must go to a different 'official' WoW message board than I do..because the one I go to has nothing but bitchers and whiners.
No kidding. Unfortunately the WOW crowd on this board, often showing ages in the low to mid teens, just asks when to bend over and how far.
Mods, can we get some of this crap locked down/banned/whatever already??
Enough is enough. Nobody here minds serious analysis and critique, but this constant barrage of WOW idiot troll garbage is getting old when the rest of us would like to have a productive forum for our game.

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I wholeheartedly agree. You really don't see this crap on any of the other boards on this site. It's just rediculous.

Knoxay

Agreed. I rarely visit these boards anymore for this exact reason. The EQ2 section of the forums is less of a place for EQ2 players to talk about the different aspects of the game and more of a place for people to come and bash the game (be it WoW people or whoever). It really is hard to have a productive forum when it's full of people that don't like the game and (I guess) can't get over the fact that it exists.

Rekindle

Last I checked this was a site to come and RATE games. If you want to talk about Everquest 2 details go ahead, no one is stoping you. But I for one am glad there is a space for people to talk about their dislike of the game. 

If you bothered to read my posts you would see that I'm expressing an opinion of the game, not those that play it. 

Just because some people see the game a certain way does not stop your voicing of the opinion of that game, why is it so difficult to come to a site that rates games and see that some have rated the game negatively and then backed it up with some cold hard facts.

 

My "truth" shouldn't hurt you, I'm not on the SOE boards, in your house, bashing the game..I'm merely expressing my opinion on an objective website dedicated to giving players a voice about a game love or hate it....something game sites [proper] don't let you do.

Rekindle

And having said that....you really really really need to go back now and download the trial. 

Read today's patch notes.

 

I've been angry with SOE over the quality of the game and its blantant beta product state at launch.  But it would seem they are hearing the voice of the once loyal subscriber.  They have heard and are working their asses off. SOE, you may never win me back with the way EQ2 launched, but despite all of the bad things I've said, and with regard to todays patch notes:

I'm man enough to say GOOD JOB.

 

 

xminator

Yeah, take the rating on mmorpg.com  seriously. I mean, seriously. There was a few weeks when the game was off the top 10 (or 8 or whatever it is), and there was some decent player reviews there. Then it reapeared on the top list and woha, the worms came crawling back to bash.

Eq2 have a trial because game design alows it. I'm willing to bet there is a dev team at Blizzard given the task of creating exactly the same setting for wow. If they dont, they havent learnt the lesson. How easy would it be for SOE to extend this trial? Maybe set the limit to city quest instead? There is a reason this wasnt done. The #1 reason is that cities aint instanced. Trial island is. Fact is the instanced trial island alow SOE to let a infinite (relatively speaking!) number of new players start at the same time on the same server. At launch there was at least 10 noob zones open on Najena (just check player profiles, if you dig deep enough and you'll find active toons level history, complete with zone instance they leveled in). Wow cant do that. All a free trial would show off is the beautiful "You are now 768 in the queue" screen.

The first months in Eq2 been a blast. The constant stream of game improvment, not just "fixes", but real improvment is stunning. The game is going from "stable" to "mature" very fast indeed. The dev communication on the official forums is very impressive. They often take the time to explain why stuff is done, and there is hints to comming updates 2 live updates ahead. And given the speed they've had so far thats update #5 in 2-3 weeks and #6 in 4-6 weeks. With patch notes as impressive as the last one. I'm really really looking forward to the first expansion released to Eq2. I have a feeling its going to be very impressive. I'll be the first to bash if it doesnt live up to the "completely groundbreaking" that was promised by Smedley 2 months back. By expansion I dont mean the bloodline addon pack, but the real $30 that all mmorpgs release.

So far Blizzard have run head on nose first into every mmorg obstacle there is. Their first major content patch is incoming, I'm really looking forward to see if they've learnt and know how to handle the ton of bugs that follow such an update.