let's just say that if youre not playing GW2 by 28.08.12, you and i are going to have a problem. that being said, i may never visit this site once it's out. i'll be too busy playing and discussing builds on the official forums. tbh, im tired of having to sift through non-GW2 fans. it's such a chore.
Perhaps it really is the lack of consequences. I recall back in L1 or DAOC if you really got out of hand there really were in game moderators who would show up an meet some justice, even chat channels were heavily controlled compared to all the games today.
Moderators and GM's more active AND making more severe punishments? and overall bigger moderation?
Yes.
It is only a part of it.
Back in "L1,L2, DAoC, UO, SWG and many others you had one server and no means of automatic auto finder, not even speaking of cross-server thing. In some games you even was limited on how many characters per server you could have.
So if you were acting like asshole most people did not want to group with you, trade with you, craft you something or help you in any way. People actually warned themselves about trolls, cheaters and so-on.
There were consequences.
Nowadays - you don't need anything crafted. Even if you do - you buy it from AH - you seller opinion of you does not matter at all, since seller does not know even who's he selling to.
Group? You don't need anyone to like you. Hell - there is hunderead of thousands of players out there that will be grouped automatically with you so you can act like total troll and idiot and get away with it.
So on, so on.
There were people AS BAD before as they are now. There were people that only reason for playing it seems was to ruin others fun or to anonymously flame from behind the screen.
Still they faced more consequences - that's why much less % of people did that.
There is a saying in my country "Occasion make a stealer"
You could modify it and say "Occasion make a troll".
People are trolling because nothing is happening to them because of that so they CAN.
There were people AS BAD before as they are now. There were people that only reason for playing it seems was to ruin others fun or to anonymously flame from behind the screen.
That's missing half of the equation.
Without the control freaks (sorry for the psycho-shorthand) becoming upset that there are People components to Public they can neither intimidate nor control, we won't get a weekend repeating thread made from interpersonal relations on an internet that is clearly not brand new any more.
That rage is half of what drives the entire process.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
i play WoW for the satisfaction of my soul, i argue in forums but i do not try to insult ppl even if they insult me. but in any other mmo or mmo forums i insult to reply an insult. that's just how i am.
The usage of the term "control freak" is actually one of the most amusing on the Internet. It's used against people who would usually be right in "real life", either from experience or from knowledge, but who on the Internet can be easily dismissed that way.
Very few 12/18 years old teenagers don't think their parents are somehow "control freaks". It's the typical excuse to dismiss the advice of people you know are right but you don't want to admit it because it would prove you wrong and make you admit so. The 12/18 age range is typical for that (we discover the world, we know everything about it, all those old farts can only be idiots), but some people never get rid of it.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
There were people AS BAD before as they are now. There were people that only reason for playing it seems was to ruin others fun or to anonymously flame from behind the screen.
That's missing half of the equation.
Without the control freaks (sorry for the psycho-shorthand) becoming upset that there are People components to Public they can neither intimidate nor control, we won't get a weekend repeating thread made from interpersonal relations on an internet that is clearly not brand new any more.
That rage is half of what drives the entire process.
Yes.
Still people like that WILL exist as well as trolls.
They did always exist, they do and they will.
Part of human nature.
People are quiet in library because if not they get kicked out. If they could not be kicked out - then you would have minority of it's users not caring and behaving in a way that would prevent other people to get their work done in there.
On the internet you don't get punched in the face for being an ass.
I'll take misdemeanor battery for 1000 Alex.
It'd be interesting to see just how much less thug talk would exist, sans internet.
But temporary; once the Civil cases started working their way through the courts, both the thugs and their targets discover just how much consequences limit them.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
On the internet you don't get punched in the face for being an ass.
I'll take misdemeanor battery for 1000 Alex.
But he/she is right.
Just the possibility that you can get your loudmouth ass kicked is what seems to keep most people under control outside the Internet.
We can analyze the crap out of human behavior and whatever, but the bottom line is that on the Internet people are safe. Real life can be a bit more dangerous for smartasses, regardless of cops.
I'm not arguing, but I'm pleading Occam's Razor here. John Gabriel's Greater Internet F***wad theory just seems like the simplest answer for the OP.
xD
So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." - Matthew 6-34
On the internet you don't get punched in the face for being an ass.
I'll take misdemeanor battery for 1000 Alex.
But he/she is right.
Just the possibility that you can get your loudmouth ass kicked is what seems to keep most people under control outside the Internet.
We can analyze the crap out of human behavior and whatever, but the bottom line is that on the Internet people are safe. Real life can be a bit more dangerous for smartasses, regardless of cops.
I'm not arguing, but I'm pleading Occam's Razor here. John Gabriel's Greater Internet F***wad theory just seems like the simplest answer for the OP.
xD
You underestimate the willingness of a true troll to practice his art. I would imagine the pain would be secondary to the gratification brought on by successful provocation AND the subsequent hassles brought on by the justice system.
Take the beating, document the damage and grin under your bloody beard.
On the internet you don't get punched in the face for being an ass.
I'll take misdemeanor battery for 1000 Alex.
But he/she is right.
Just the possibility that you can get your loudmouth ass kicked is what seems to keep most people under control outside the Internet.
We can analyze the crap out of human behavior and whatever, but the bottom line is that on the Internet people are safe. Real life can be a bit more dangerous for smartasses, regardless of cops.
I'm not arguing, but I'm pleading Occam's Razor here. John Gabriel's Greater Internet F***wad theory just seems like the simplest answer for the OP.
xD
You underestimate the willingness of a true troll to practice his art. I would imagine the pain would be secondary to the gratification brought on by successful provocation AND the subsequent hassles brought on by the justice system.
Take the beating, document the damage and grin under your bloody beard.
Which would be a great argument if more "true trolls" were willing to practice their "art". It just doesn't happen very often in public. The more likely case is always the provoker standing there forcing a shaky smile while the aggressor is allowing him/herself to be restrained by their friends while shouting, "It's not worth it, broooo/giiiiirl, it's not worth it!"
But Icewhite's post right above mine hits the marks perfectly. It's a pain in the ass for both parties, and most people aren't dumb enough for that fact to escape them. So they put on the above show.
The Internet is an entirely different monster. People can act however they want with no fear of the above happening AND no fear of litigation should a fight ensue.
It's a win-win environment for the troll. I believe most people would take adavantage of it.
So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." - Matthew 6-34
On the internet you don't get punched in the face for being an ass.
I'll take misdemeanor battery for 1000 Alex.
But he/she is right.
Just the possibility that you can get your loudmouth ass kicked is what seems to keep most people under control outside the Internet.
We can analyze the crap out of human behavior and whatever, but the bottom line is that on the Internet people are safe. Real life can be a bit more dangerous for smartasses, regardless of cops.
I'm not arguing, but I'm pleading Occam's Razor here. John Gabriel's Greater Internet F***wad theory just seems like the simplest answer for the OP.
xD
You underestimate the willingness of a true troll to practice his art. I would imagine the pain would be secondary to the gratification brought on by successful provocation AND the subsequent hassles brought on by the justice system.
Take the beating, document the damage and grin under your bloody beard.
Which would be a great argument if more "true trolls" were willing to practice their "art". It just doesn't happen very often in public. The more likely case is always the provoker standing there forcing a shaky smile while the aggressor is allowing him/herself to be restrained by their friends while shouting, "It's not worth it, broooo/giiiiirl, it's not worth it!"
But Icewhite's post right above mine hits the marks perfectly. It's a pain in the ass for both parties, and most people aren't dumb enough for that fact to escape them. So they put on the above show.
The Internet is an entirely different monster. People can act however they want with no fear of the above happening AND no fear of litigation should a fight ensue.
It's a win-win environment for the troll. I believe most people would take adavantage of it.
You're right, but I have a suspicion that there are more unbalanced individuals using the internet as a figurative punching bag than most would suspect. I don't think that it's as black and white as we're making it out to be.
I'm sure that there are fewer strangled cats and eviscerated toddlers thanks to the relief valve that is the internet.
Originally posted by someforumguy On the internet you don't get punched in the face for being an ass.
I'll take misdemeanor battery for 1000 Alex.
This made me laugh.
A "misdemeanor" is the last thing on thier minds, Id be willing to bet you could even remind them of the repercussion and it would still happen. Anger is the second most powerful emotion buddy.
im blunt straightforward and often "rude" in real life and on the internet. people dont retaliate in the way you imagine in real life... pussies on the internet are pussies in real life. i dont what kind of logic makes you think a pussy on the internet somehow becomes a toughguy IRL...
personally i feel soceity has become a bunch of whining PC wimps that dont understand that forcing people to shutup comes at the price of freedom and liberty.
when i grew up schools didnt make a huge fuss about bullying. people just had to grow a pair and man up. . people make fun of me all the time, i have never once ever felt depressed or sad, idgaf. i encourage my family/friends to be straightforward even if it means being rude or potentially hurtful and i appreciate that.
what i find really funny is that the anti insult crowd often insult the people who they label as insulters calling them things like "keyboard warriors", "pathetic IRL" etc etc. a bit hypocritical aye? if the insulters are so pathetic why are people affected by what they say?
TLDR: grow a pair
Why do you feel that being rude is a good quality?
no im not saying being rude is good. it is often a side affect of being transparent and straightforward- i dont think anyone should be rude for the sake of being rude.
i dont see any wrong in telling a person that you dislike to "f++k off i dont like you". now they know you dont like them and they will most likely avoid you preventing further conflict.
sometimes rude is just a porduct of anger or frustration. it is not good to be angry but sometimes it happens or is neccesarry. learning to deal with rude people is something people have to learn to deal with because life is full of angry and frustrated people sometimes even yourself.
i dont get annoyed when people say racist or sexist things. if this is how people feel let them be. trying to make the shut up doesnt change the fact they are racist/sexist. it is their brain they can think as they please as long they are not damaging me or my property.
in the end it is the developers game and it is their rules and it is up to them to enforce them or ignore them. i personally feel that developers should forget trying to regulate chat behaviour. it is a waste of their time and resources that should be spent towards making a good game. ignore/block functionality is all that needs to be included. much cheaper than paying customer service/GM staff to make itty bitty babby feel better
Often, life puts people into situations they'd rather not be in. This makes many people miserable. They want to lash out. The internet provides them the opportunity to do so anonymously. This anonymity removes what for some is the last inhibition, the fear of consequence. This creates a climate of discontent, and there is often backlash, which makes the situation worse.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
Really, this is just killing online gaming all together.
It seems to me that the only enjoyment people find anymore is insulting other people. That's disgusting and sad.
When did this happen? I know that "people have always been [insert candy-coated negative label]" but it's just gotten so bad now that I find it UNAVOIDABLE as long as I'm at a computer.
Why is it that the only feedback from others is negative? Why are people so quick to jump to the chance to insult or belittle others?
Why is it that when I'm reading a relevant thread or writing my own that it's more important for readers to respond with things like "too long, didn't read" or "QQ MOAR NOOB" or "lolz you spelled it wrong. stopped reading." or "L2P noobs!" etc??
is this really the only atmosphere available now? This is depressing and It's caused me to not even bother logging on to games anymore...
It happened when internet access became affordable by the masses, and the masses without an IQ came along. Up until then people still insulted but in gest and were part of real communities. Not Guilds but communities, where they were interested in the game being played it's world and lore.
Now people who can be easily led/brainwashed join Guilds have non game based agendas which just ruins longevity and fun.
Decent Games and Communities still exist but sadly not in most of the currently released MMOs..
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
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let's just say that if youre not playing GW2 by 28.08.12, you and i are going to have a problem. that being said, i may never visit this site once it's out. i'll be too busy playing and discussing builds on the official forums. tbh, im tired of having to sift through non-GW2 fans. it's such a chore.
Moderators and GM's more active AND making more severe punishments? and overall bigger moderation?
Yes.
It is only a part of it.
Back in "L1,L2, DAoC, UO, SWG and many others you had one server and no means of automatic auto finder, not even speaking of cross-server thing. In some games you even was limited on how many characters per server you could have.
So if you were acting like asshole most people did not want to group with you, trade with you, craft you something or help you in any way. People actually warned themselves about trolls, cheaters and so-on.
There were consequences.
Nowadays - you don't need anything crafted. Even if you do - you buy it from AH - you seller opinion of you does not matter at all, since seller does not know even who's he selling to.
Group? You don't need anyone to like you. Hell - there is hunderead of thousands of players out there that will be grouped automatically with you so you can act like total troll and idiot and get away with it.
So on, so on.
There were people AS BAD before as they are now. There were people that only reason for playing it seems was to ruin others fun or to anonymously flame from behind the screen.
Still they faced more consequences - that's why much less % of people did that.
There is a saying in my country "Occasion make a stealer"
You could modify it and say "Occasion make a troll".
People are trolling because nothing is happening to them because of that so they CAN.
Simply because of that. Because they can.
This.
That's missing half of the equation.
Without the control freaks (sorry for the psycho-shorthand) becoming upset that there are People components to Public they can neither intimidate nor control, we won't get a weekend repeating thread made from interpersonal relations on an internet that is clearly not brand new any more.
That rage is half of what drives the entire process.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
On the internet you don't get punched in the face for being an ass.
i play WoW for the satisfaction of my soul, i argue in forums but i do not try to insult ppl even if they insult me. but in any other mmo or mmo forums i insult to reply an insult. that's just how i am.
The usage of the term "control freak" is actually one of the most amusing on the Internet. It's used against people who would usually be right in "real life", either from experience or from knowledge, but who on the Internet can be easily dismissed that way.
Very few 12/18 years old teenagers don't think their parents are somehow "control freaks". It's the typical excuse to dismiss the advice of people you know are right but you don't want to admit it because it would prove you wrong and make you admit so. The 12/18 age range is typical for that (we discover the world, we know everything about it, all those old farts can only be idiots), but some people never get rid of it.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Yes.
Still people like that WILL exist as well as trolls.
They did always exist, they do and they will.
Part of human nature.
People are quiet in library because if not they get kicked out. If they could not be kicked out - then you would have minority of it's users not caring and behaving in a way that would prevent other people to get their work done in there.
Basic psychology 101.
I'll take misdemeanor battery for 1000 Alex.
I believe I'll let one of my favorite lines from the Robert E. Howard story The Tower of the Elephant sum it up:
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."
Internet anonymity just amplifies this, IMO.
It'd be interesting to see just how much less thug talk would exist, sans internet.
But temporary; once the Civil cases started working their way through the courts, both the thugs and their targets discover just how much consequences limit them.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
But he/she is right.
Just the possibility that you can get your loudmouth ass kicked is what seems to keep most people under control outside the Internet.
We can analyze the crap out of human behavior and whatever, but the bottom line is that on the Internet people are safe. Real life can be a bit more dangerous for smartasses, regardless of cops.
I'm not arguing, but I'm pleading Occam's Razor here. John Gabriel's Greater Internet F***wad theory just seems like the simplest answer for the OP.
xD
So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." - Matthew 6-34
You underestimate the willingness of a true troll to practice his art. I would imagine the pain would be secondary to the gratification brought on by successful provocation AND the subsequent hassles brought on by the justice system.
Take the beating, document the damage and grin under your bloody beard.
Which would be a great argument if more "true trolls" were willing to practice their "art". It just doesn't happen very often in public. The more likely case is always the provoker standing there forcing a shaky smile while the aggressor is allowing him/herself to be restrained by their friends while shouting, "It's not worth it, broooo/giiiiirl, it's not worth it!"
But Icewhite's post right above mine hits the marks perfectly. It's a pain in the ass for both parties, and most people aren't dumb enough for that fact to escape them. So they put on the above show.
The Internet is an entirely different monster. People can act however they want with no fear of the above happening AND no fear of litigation should a fight ensue.
It's a win-win environment for the troll. I believe most people would take adavantage of it.
So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." - Matthew 6-34
What a great quote. I agree wholeheartedly.
So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." - Matthew 6-34
You're right, but I have a suspicion that there are more unbalanced individuals using the internet as a figurative punching bag than most would suspect. I don't think that it's as black and white as we're making it out to be.
I'm sure that there are fewer strangled cats and eviscerated toddlers thanks to the relief valve that is the internet.
I'll take misdemeanor battery for 1000 Alex.
This made me laugh.
A "misdemeanor" is the last thing on thier minds, Id be willing to bet you could even remind them of the repercussion and it would still happen. Anger is the second most powerful emotion buddy.
Love is first *giggles like a schoolgirl*
no im not saying being rude is good. it is often a side affect of being transparent and straightforward- i dont think anyone should be rude for the sake of being rude.
i dont see any wrong in telling a person that you dislike to "f++k off i dont like you". now they know you dont like them and they will most likely avoid you preventing further conflict.
sometimes rude is just a porduct of anger or frustration. it is not good to be angry but sometimes it happens or is neccesarry. learning to deal with rude people is something people have to learn to deal with because life is full of angry and frustrated people sometimes even yourself.
i dont get annoyed when people say racist or sexist things. if this is how people feel let them be. trying to make the shut up doesnt change the fact they are racist/sexist. it is their brain they can think as they please as long they are not damaging me or my property.
in the end it is the developers game and it is their rules and it is up to them to enforce them or ignore them. i personally feel that developers should forget trying to regulate chat behaviour. it is a waste of their time and resources that should be spent towards making a good game. ignore/block functionality is all that needs to be included. much cheaper than paying customer service/GM staff to make itty bitty babby feel better
Often, life puts people into situations they'd rather not be in. This makes many people miserable. They want to lash out. The internet provides them the opportunity to do so anonymously. This anonymity removes what for some is the last inhibition, the fear of consequence. This creates a climate of discontent, and there is often backlash, which makes the situation worse.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
It happened when internet access became affordable by the masses, and the masses without an IQ came along. Up until then people still insulted but in gest and were part of real communities. Not Guilds but communities, where they were interested in the game being played it's world and lore.
Now people who can be easily led/brainwashed join Guilds have non game based agendas which just ruins longevity and fun.
Decent Games and Communities still exist but sadly not in most of the currently released MMOs..
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel