I see this as one company that created a novel game, but a limited one, that is rare and few. The number of companies now days that can do that seem few and far between.
I still think that the next age of new companies coming to the forefront is when we see some kind of change in hardware that allows the cost of a AAA game production cost and maintinance cost to come down.
Well I disagree. I feel that history is going to repeat itself and the larger companies will have to make room for the new guys. It happens all the time and has been happening already.
I don't care what leads to better games though. So even if it is new hardware which I doubt, I will be happy to just find something better.
I see this as one company that created a novel game, but a limited one, that is rare and few. The number of companies now days that can do that seem few and far between.
I still think that the next age of new companies coming to the forefront is when we see some kind of change in hardware that allows the cost of a AAA game production cost and maintinance cost to come down.
I think companies will need to get back to basics first. i.e. what makes a good game?
Just like you've seen a lot of movies that have gone the Michael Bay route flop (Avengers was the one exception because they actually had compelling characters and charm), you've seen a lot of "AAA" games (I hate that term) flop basically taking the Michael Bay experience and turning it into games.
ME3 spent an absurd amount of money on things tangential to gameplay. It still to this date sold 33% below EA's projections,. in other words they didn't break even. Maybe hype a game by showing how it actually plays, instead of shooting copies into space?
Corporations went down hill when they started to consider people a resource. Resources have no rights, feelings, are totaly owned, and you can do anything you want with them.
Of course the op himself ignored history too, not pointing out any parallels to those events (apart from gamers grumbling). He was just saving time; there aren't many parallels.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Are you talking about the North American Video Game Crash that happened around 1983? It happened because there were a lot of incompatible platforms (I remember at least 4 different home computer systems available, in addition to the consoles that were available), with a lot of low quality games available. The market was super saturated. After awhile, people just stopped buying video games because they were all garbage.
There are a few differences between then and now. There are not as many platforms and the platforms themselves are much more stable. The market is not super saturated with garbage games. There are quality games out there for people to play. For example, Skyrim. There is no equivalent to Skyrim from 1983. Games are reviewed quickly by users, not review sites. Much like movies, players know pretty quickly which games are going to hold their attention and which ones are not*. Finally, the number of players is expanding, not contracting. Gamers get older, but they don't stop playing. They just get their kids to play.
So no, I don't think we're headed towards a crash anything like what happened in 1983.
* This means bad games tank quickly. Players are more likely to avoid buying a bad game now, where in 1983 they were more likely to be disappointed with a game after they bought it.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
* This means bad games tank quickly. Players are more likely to avoid buying a bad game now, where in 1983 they were more likely to be disappointed with a game after they bought it.
Some players are seeking written guarantees of (lifetime) satisfaction before opening their wallets now.
Caveat Emptor extended to the ultimate absurdity.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
80's PC gaming never had a 'near death experience". If anything PC gaming saved the consoles by being so successful during that period.
But I do think consoles are over due for a hardware update. Time for the console kiddies to crow about how their graphics "blows away" anything on PC. Least for the next year before PC owners buy the next card that makes consoles look like crap. There's your history repeating itself.
Mario wasn't a PC game. PC gaming did okay, but really, it was Mario that saved 80's gaming.
And as far as console kiddies being able to crow about how it looks better than anything on PC...... not gonna happen even now. PC's are at least one (maybe two) generations ahead of the "next-gen" consoles which aren't even out yet. That basically means that when you see the new consoles, they will launch basically with the graphics and power of your average PC gamer's machine, not even the maxed out rigs. (My DX10 card and 5 year old machine will still laugh at the "next-gen" consoles)
no it wont the 720 will have a 7 gen ati card in it
Originally posted by Icewhite Originally posted by lizardbones* This means bad games tank quickly. Players are more likely to avoid buying a bad game now, where in 1983 they were more likely to be disappointed with a game after they bought it.
Some players are seeking written guarantees of (lifetime) satisfaction before opening their wallets now.
Caveat Emptor extended to the ultimate absurdity.
LOL, I didn't see your post. Google and Wiki to the rescue!
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I think the industry has hit a wall at the moment. The cost of producing a AAA game is way to high. Till tech/innovation/ or something else helps to reduce the cost I think we will see souless games being made because the people that make them are slaves to investors.
With the economy the way it is why would the console industry want to put out new systems right now?
The price is too high because all of these College Grad developers who are just cookie cutter copies of eachother demand a high salary to deliver the same old crap. They have no idea how to innovate because they have been taught to not look towards innovation. They are told that if something could be done better it woudl have been done that way by now.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Then maybe we'll see a million copies of Black Ops keeping the ET cartridges company.
LOL, are you the same guy that I normally disagree on everything with? Because my thoughts are the same exact thing.
I, for one, say a Dinosaur-killing type of asteroid needs to hit gaming. Now.
Out of the dark dankness of that gaming crash, you had the likes of Sega and Nintendo coming out with their 8-bit console gems.
For PC gaming though, I think it will linger on and persist well enough. Sure, a collapse from the consoles will affect PC gaming alot, but it has for most parts almost been a seperate entity. Hell, the gaming industry and its disdain for PC gaming? That will be a benefit to us PC gamers when the asteroid hits.
Someone needs to put a big red "X" on top of Earth or something!
Edit to add: If gaming has been reduced to this, then yes, the end needs to come. Right now. ASAP.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
OP - the video game crash you refer to was 1983-1985 and ended with the NA launch of the NES in Fall/Winter 1985. Now granted I was 8 years old during most of 1983, I have wikipedia to thank for the details. I didn't put down my NES controller for 3 years except to eat, sleep and occasionally shower. To answer your main question though... no... we will not have a PC game or console crash again. If you go through the "causes" and "factors" on the wikipedia page, you'll see that things aren't likely to combine to cause a "perfect storm" again.
Yes the industry has to die if it's to ever see an once of innovation.
SWTOR is the first good step. also the poster boy of stale stagnation of innovation (Wow) is also dying. we just need a few more big titles that are coming soon to fail and the circle will be complete. investors will start fleeing with their money. then when a MMO gets made it better be fun and different or people will flee.
I also see free to play MMO's dying with them. many more closing soon which is awesome.
it has taken nearly a decade for this process of natural selection for MMO's to start but I see the rise of the indie soon and the downfall of the games that are variation of the EQ/Wow themepark.
Consoles are lagging behind computers now, with most companies expanding their console offerings horizontally (think peripherals like Kinect here, services like download and play) rather than moving their respective platforms vertically (better processors, graphic boards, etc.). All these issues are based on sound, conservative, business reasoning, but the games industry is not for the conservative or faint of heart.
kinect is the biggest crap casual thing out there.
sony bought gaikai nuff said
thats the future...cloud gaming like it or not admit it or not.
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I see this as one company that created a novel game, but a limited one, that is rare and few. The number of companies now days that can do that seem few and far between.
I still think that the next age of new companies coming to the forefront is when we see some kind of change in hardware that allows the cost of a AAA game production cost and maintinance cost to come down.
Well I disagree. I feel that history is going to repeat itself and the larger companies will have to make room for the new guys. It happens all the time and has been happening already.
I don't care what leads to better games though. So even if it is new hardware which I doubt, I will be happy to just find something better.
I think companies will need to get back to basics first. i.e. what makes a good game?
Just like you've seen a lot of movies that have gone the Michael Bay route flop (Avengers was the one exception because they actually had compelling characters and charm), you've seen a lot of "AAA" games (I hate that term) flop basically taking the Michael Bay experience and turning it into games.
ME3 spent an absurd amount of money on things tangential to gameplay. It still to this date sold 33% below EA's projections,. in other words they didn't break even. Maybe hype a game by showing how it actually plays, instead of shooting copies into space?
Corporations went down hill when they started to consider people a resource. Resources have no rights, feelings, are totaly owned, and you can do anything you want with them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_1983
Historical BG.
Of course the op himself ignored history too, not pointing out any parallels to those events (apart from gamers grumbling). He was just saving time; there aren't many parallels.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Are you talking about the North American Video Game Crash that happened around 1983? It happened because there were a lot of incompatible platforms (I remember at least 4 different home computer systems available, in addition to the consoles that were available), with a lot of low quality games available. The market was super saturated. After awhile, people just stopped buying video games because they were all garbage.
There are a few differences between then and now. There are not as many platforms and the platforms themselves are much more stable. The market is not super saturated with garbage games. There are quality games out there for people to play. For example, Skyrim. There is no equivalent to Skyrim from 1983. Games are reviewed quickly by users, not review sites. Much like movies, players know pretty quickly which games are going to hold their attention and which ones are not*. Finally, the number of players is expanding, not contracting. Gamers get older, but they don't stop playing. They just get their kids to play.
So no, I don't think we're headed towards a crash anything like what happened in 1983.
* This means bad games tank quickly. Players are more likely to avoid buying a bad game now, where in 1983 they were more likely to be disappointed with a game after they bought it.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Some players are seeking written guarantees of (lifetime) satisfaction before opening their wallets now.
Caveat Emptor extended to the ultimate absurdity.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
no it wont the 720 will have a 7 gen ati card in it
Caveat Emptor extended to the ultimate absurdity.
LOL, I didn't see your post. Google and Wiki to the rescue!
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
The price is too high because all of these College Grad developers who are just cookie cutter copies of eachother demand a high salary to deliver the same old crap. They have no idea how to innovate because they have been taught to not look towards innovation. They are told that if something could be done better it woudl have been done that way by now.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
LOL, are you the same guy that I normally disagree on everything with? Because my thoughts are the same exact thing.
I, for one, say a Dinosaur-killing type of asteroid needs to hit gaming. Now.
Out of the dark dankness of that gaming crash, you had the likes of Sega and Nintendo coming out with their 8-bit console gems.
For PC gaming though, I think it will linger on and persist well enough. Sure, a collapse from the consoles will affect PC gaming alot, but it has for most parts almost been a seperate entity. Hell, the gaming industry and its disdain for PC gaming? That will be a benefit to us PC gamers when the asteroid hits.
Someone needs to put a big red "X" on top of Earth or something!
Edit to add: If gaming has been reduced to this, then yes, the end needs to come. Right now. ASAP.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
OP - the video game crash you refer to was 1983-1985 and ended with the NA launch of the NES in Fall/Winter 1985. Now granted I was 8 years old during most of 1983, I have wikipedia to thank for the details. I didn't put down my NES controller for 3 years except to eat, sleep and occasionally shower. To answer your main question though... no... we will not have a PC game or console crash again. If you go through the "causes" and "factors" on the wikipedia page, you'll see that things aren't likely to combine to cause a "perfect storm" again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_1983
Yes the industry has to die if it's to ever see an once of innovation.
SWTOR is the first good step. also the poster boy of stale stagnation of innovation (Wow) is also dying. we just need a few more big titles that are coming soon to fail and the circle will be complete. investors will start fleeing with their money. then when a MMO gets made it better be fun and different or people will flee.
I also see free to play MMO's dying with them. many more closing soon which is awesome.
it has taken nearly a decade for this process of natural selection for MMO's to start but I see the rise of the indie soon and the downfall of the games that are variation of the EQ/Wow themepark.
Exciting Times.
kinect is the biggest crap casual thing out there.
sony bought gaikai nuff said
thats the future...cloud gaming like it or not admit it or not.