Who would listen to Gamebreaker TV? They're a joke. I've never seen a bigger amount of GW2 fanboys anywhere. Really i like this game alot, but these guys take fanboy to a level that puts GW2.Guru to complete shame, not to meantion putting down other mmos that aren't GW2.
Regarding your quotes, sorry but that's not true. You need the right gear, yes, that plus 30 helmet of Pwnage, to play the game. it can be as funas one wants, but with the right gear, you can't do pve or WVW on equal footing. Yes, i know siege weapons, which is awesome but face to face, if you have level 10 armor against aplayers with level 80, you're going to get 1 shooted. Skill won't save you.
That's not bad btw and it doesn't mean the game doesn't take skill at all. It's just the way mmorpgs are, well, themeparks anyway.
Also, again LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL GameJoke TV LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I remember when GameBreaker were highly skeptical of GW2 and doubted they could pull it off. That was before they tried it. To correct you... no, there is no such thing as a "30 hemlet of Pwnage" or any such equivalent. All gear at level is comparable to all other gear at the same level. Besides, in WvW, everyone is level 80 bumped. No, you don't get one-shot. Or 1 shooted either.
GameJoke sells out. They say good things about a game that's popular and trash all the rest. You don't even need to watch their video, just read the titles of any GW2 article. They're a news site, they're suppose to be unbiased, but they're the biggest fanboys you can find. And don't get me started on the people commenting there.
Also, so you're saying i can take my character with level 10 gear and go to Orr and do the dunegons and still no get 1 shotted and win? There's no "Helmet of Pwanage 30"? Next BWE, go to a level 70 area without it, and tell how you did.
And finally, in WVW, yes, oyu are level to 80, i know, and great. But, if you use level 10 gear against level 80 gear, you really beleive you'll survive? SIege weapons are 1 thing, like i said, but you need gear in WVW toa great extent.
SPVP is the exception to the rule.
Did you play the original GW?? If you did you would know that armor really only made a difference in looks. People would not get FoW or elite armors because of the stats, but because it looked better. They aren't changing that in GW2. No one is getting "one shotted"
False comparison... you can do the level 80 dungeons with any level 80 gear, there's no uber-gear you need. There's gear progression to cap, then it stops. There's no treadmill beyond that.
In WvW, I could indeed go in level 10 gear and survive, even against level 80 gear. It may be more of a challenge, but if I'm good enough and they're not it's possible. However, more realistically, if I'm in level 80 gear I got in the PvE world and someone is in level 80 gear they got through PvP then we're on even footing... there's no special level 80 gear that makes you more powerful than other people in level 80 gear.
Ha ok. I know there's no gear treadmill (thank god), but i was simply trying to say that, unless you have the right gear level, you won't last in pve. Yous till need that "Helmet of Pwnage" to go to the area or die. But yes, not gear grind.
Regarding PVP, i'm sorry i used an extreme example. To give a better comparison, i find racing and FPS'ers to require more "skill" than GW2 even (my opinion ok?), but, in NFS many times, without the right car, you'll be in trouble against supercars. i'm also playing OP7 and because of Nexon's BG CS players can buy the best weapons and overpwer you.
In both example, you can still win, and i did sometimes, but the chances are slim. When i said 1 shot, it was somewhat extreme, however, if the gear level difference is considerable enough, you'll find yourself a situation that creates alot of imbalance. Defenatly alot more compared to Structured. So, gear isn't almighty, but still very, very important.
False comparison... you can do the level 80 dungeons with any level 80 gear, there's no uber-gear you need. There's gear progression to cap, then it stops. There's no treadmill beyond that.
In WvW, I could indeed go in level 10 gear and survive, even against level 80 gear. It may be more of a challenge, but if I'm good enough and they're not it's possible. However, more realistically, if I'm in level 80 gear I got in the PvE world and someone is in level 80 gear they got through PvP then we're on even footing... there's no special level 80 gear that makes you more powerful than other people in level 80 gear.
Ha ok. I know there's no gear treadmill (thank god), but i was simply trying to say that, unless you have the right gear level, you won't last in pve. Yous till need that "Helmet of Pwnage" to go to the area or die. But yes, not gear grind.
Regarding PVP, i'm sorry i used an extreme example. To give a better comparison, i find racing and FPS'ers to require more "skill" than GW2 even (my opinion ok?), but, in NFS many times, without the right car, you'll be in trouble against supercars. i'm also playing OP7 and because of Nexon's BG CS players can buy the best weapons and overpwer you.
In both example, you can still win, and i did sometimes, but the chances are slim. When i said 1 shot, it was somewhat extreme, however, if the gear level difference is considerable enough, you'll find yourself a situation that creates alot of imbalance. Defenatly alot more compared to Structured. So, gear isn't almighty, but still very, very important.
I hope that clears up some stuff.
I still disagree with you completely, taking GW as experience. Your level will matter not your gear. So in PvE you can't go to higher level places in PvP it doesn't matter since its the same level. Gear really doesn't play a role besides looks in the GW universe, unless you know some secret info that proves they changed this in GW2.....
False comparison... you can do the level 80 dungeons with any level 80 gear, there's no uber-gear you need. There's gear progression to cap, then it stops. There's no treadmill beyond that.
In WvW, I could indeed go in level 10 gear and survive, even against level 80 gear. It may be more of a challenge, but if I'm good enough and they're not it's possible. However, more realistically, if I'm in level 80 gear I got in the PvE world and someone is in level 80 gear they got through PvP then we're on even footing... there's no special level 80 gear that makes you more powerful than other people in level 80 gear.
Ha ok. I know there's no gear treadmill (thank god), but i was simply trying to say that, unless you have the right gear level, you won't last in pve. Yous till need that "Helmet of Pwnage" to go to the area or die. But yes, not gear grind.
Regarding PVP, i'm sorry i used an extreme example. To give a better comparison, i find racing and FPS'ers to require more "skill" than GW2 even (my opinion ok?), but, in NFS many times, without the right car, you'll be in trouble against supercars. i'm also playing OP7 and because of Nexon's BG CS players can buy the best weapons and overpwer you.
In both example, you can still win, and i did sometimes, but the chances are slim. When i said 1 shot, it was somewhat extreme, however, if the gear level difference is considerable enough, you'll find yourself a situation that creates alot of imbalance. Defenatly alot more compared to Structured. So, gear isn't almighty, but still very, very important.
I hope that clears up some stuff.
OK, sounds like a little misunderstanding of what you're trying to communicate, no problem. When you use a term like "helmet of pwnage", that's actually implying (intentional or not) more of a pay-to-win scenario, where you can purchase something that gives you a marked advantage in the game that others can't get in game. That probably explains a lot of the confusion. Yes, you'll want level appropriate gear, especially for the more challenging content. However, that doesn't detract from the skills required to complete the content. So yes, I'll agree that gear is important, but to a much lesser degree than in games that rely on the gear treadmill as the carrot. In GW2, if you're at level 80, you have access to the best stats. The choice then is to find the look you like and combine that with the stats you want.
Using a term like "of pwnage" gave the impression you were thinking the gear-curve is rather severe, when in fact it's much less severe in GW2 and flat at level.
Something that alot of themeparks miss- skill progression. I first got a taste of skill progression in EVE online and I said to myself...why dont most games do this? Thanks Arenanet
Considering that EVE has a lot of grinding and stats, I am not sure what you mean. EVE is definitely not an example of a level playing field.
OK, sounds like a little misunderstanding of what you're trying to communicate, no problem. When you use a term like "helmet of pwnage", that's actually implying (intentional or not) more of a pay-to-win scenario, where you can purchase something that gives you a marked advantage in the game that others can't get in game. That probably explains a lot of the confusion. Yes, you'll want level appropriate gear, especially for the more challenging content. However, that doesn't detract from the skills required to complete the content. So yes, I'll agree that gear is important, but to a much lesser degree than in games that rely on the gear treadmill as the carrot. In GW2, if you're at level 80, you have access to the best stats. The choice then is to find the look you like and combine that with the stats you want.
Using a term like "of pwnage" gave the impression you were thinking the gear-curve is rather severe, when in fact it's much less severe in GW2 and flat at level.
Fair enough. My bad, the helmey of pwnage was regarding gear for something like mid-level areas. Honeslty, i'd say endgame gear would be a "plus 1000 Defense" Helmet
When i say gear matters, it's in the extent that it stil greatly affects your performance in combat, like i said using my FPS/Racing examples. The "1-shot" part was when i was thinking LEVEL 10 VS LEVEL 80 gear. A huge difference as you can see. The closer the gap, the betteer the chances. Also, like i said earlier, numbers and siege weapons play a role.
So yes, gear isn't as supreme as other mmo, but still important to be on a good, more equal playing field. (not in the situation meantioned above). And tthere's the auto leveling to 80 part of course.
"Your progression is dictated by your personal improvement, not by obtaining a new helmet that grants you +30 to Pwnage."
The author also talks about why some less skilled gamers may not like the skill based approach of GW2, where you can't compensate your bad gameplay with more powerful gear.
Another good quote: "Instead of needing to farm gear in order to the play the game, Guild Wars 2 allows you to simply play the game."
Sounding more and more elitist every day...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
In WoW or SW:TOR for instance, one can simply farm PvP gear and then faceroll less geared players without great difficulty even if they suck at the game.
Bad players will not be "scared" away. The fact that you guys are stroking each other off to this nonsense is hilarious. In LoL you have lots of bad players; yet no gear grind crutch.
I have to be honest, as much as I am a fan of GW2, I think that this elitist attitude and epeen stroking has to end. The game is not going to scare away less skilled players. ArenaNet is not that dumb.
The game has many ways of enjoying it at different skill levels. You have your dynamic events PvE, which anyone can enjoy, regardless of ability. There is also WvW, which can be enjoyed at any skill level, especially if you move with a large zerg. You also have crafting, exploring, puzzle solving and jump puzzles, all of which can be enjoyed by anyone with minimal twitch skills and MMO experience.
Then you have the stuff that is geared towards the more skilled players: explorer mode dungeons and structured PvP, predominantly, but also smaller groups in WvW and to a lesser extent story mode dungeons.
"Your progression is dictated by your personal improvement, not by obtaining a new helmet that grants you +30 to Pwnage."
The author also talks about why some less skilled gamers may not like the skill based approach of GW2, where you can't compensate your bad gameplay with more powerful gear.
Another good quote: "Instead of needing to farm gear in order to the play the game, Guild Wars 2 allows you to simply play the game."
Where's my like button?!
Anyways, we've seen in these very forums already how some of the community is receiving this gameplay style. The people who've actually tried it are usually 99% on board, the rest of the people I would suspect are the people who A: don't like the cash shop (even tho there's nothing wrong with the system Eve is using) B: don't like that armor won't be their saving grace anymore in PVE or PVP or C: just plain don't know how to react to not having to pay a subscription to play a game.
I have to be honest, as much as I am a fan of GW2, I think that this elitist attitude and epeen stroking has to end. The game is not going to scare away less skilled players.
Meh. Raider elitism will just get replaced by PvP elitism, which isn't any better.
At least now you can beat up all the thrashtalkers.
I have to be honest, as much as I am a fan of GW2, I think that this elitist attitude and epeen stroking has to end. The game is not going to scare away less skilled players.
Meh. Raider elitism will just get replaced by PvP elitism, which isn't any better.
At least now you can beat up all the thrashtalkers.
Those are probably going to stay in sPvP and they are welcome to it. I was never a huge fan of battlegrounds or arenas anyways.
It's kind of funny how they talk about players not being good enough to do well and how that might discourage them from playing and getting better.
Can you imagine how awful a game would have to be in order to allow bad players to do well? Obviously we can since there are many examples of this... but doesn't it seem a bit strange that anyone would make or want to play a game that is setup so that literally anyone can be good at it?
Maybe hopscotch with only one square and it doesn't matter if you actually land in that one square?
Jump rope where you don't actually have to jump over the rope?
Tilted pool tables?
Pong without goals?
Pac-Man without ghosts?
MMO Raiding? (Oh snap, I went there.)
I laughed so hard my dog jumped.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
I have to be honest, as much as I am a fan of GW2, I think that this elitist attitude and epeen stroking has to end. The game is not going to scare away less skilled players. ArenaNet is not that dumb.
Yes and no. The gamer mentality of today is different than what it used to be. Is GW2 harder? No, but it is different, and it's something people aren't used to, which translates out to harder...at first. It's the "at first" part that's the deal breaker with said gamer mentality of today. I have no doubt many people won't bother trying to learn a new system, claim it's too hard, and either scream for nerfs or just GBTW. Mostly because that's already what I saw in the GW2 BWE forums, people bitching the game was too hard and suggesting WoW mechanics to make it easier. I lol'ed.
It used to be that when a game was hard, that just meant it was going to last the player longer. Now - partially because there are more choices in games, and partially because of other things which I won't mention lest I start a flame war as people attempt to defend their integrity (oops, went there anyway) - when something is hard, people just bash the game on a forum then go play something else. Which is fine, don't need them in the game anyway; it doesn't need to be as successful as WoW, it just needs to be successful enough to live and grow, which it already is.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
i will suck at pvp, but i will love skill based combat over gear based combat.. oh yes. If i want to keep grinding gears to be a good player i go back to WoW. GW2 is totally a fresh air
GW2 has only 5 weapon skills per bar, how skillful can one be with so little skills available to them. I'm sorry but the learning curve for this game is very low. If you can't figure out how to use those skills limited skills to the best of your ability then I can't see how skill will determine how well you do. It isn't difficult to figure it out.
Firing a rifle has only one 'skill per bar' and yet it involves a great deal of skill to use well in the real world.
There is more skill in how you use limited resources to best effect in overcoming an obstacle than in having a hundred skills that between them cover every possible situation.
When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.
The common mantra associated with GW2 that says, "With this game, you can just have fun", is based on personal preferences of a certain type of gamers. How people have fun is very subjective, for example, one of the reasons I like MMORPGs is because I can improve my characters over time. I am certain that many play MMORPGs for that reason. If I want to play more skill focused game, I would play FPS or RTS etc., or a hybrid MMORPG that combines theorycrafting, personal skill and improving your character overtime.
Even the title of this thread tries to be demeaning towards people who enjoy improving their characters, trying to postulate that it is somehow inferior to those who think that they are akin to the korean micro-management gods. Sorry, but improving your character has always been a major feature in RPGs. If you want to compete in PvP, like in WoW, you will have the best class, the best build and the best gear to do it. In other words, it requires effort. You will still need personal skill and lots of practise to compete for the top spots. GW2 really just removes gear from consideration (aka improving your character over time). You still need the best class and the best build and lots of personal skill and practise.
All the above in mind, the PvE game of GW2 is probably not going to have much longevity for some players. I probably play a character through it once and do some of the harder stuff, but I am not interested in cosmetic improvements. I like to optimize my character for various tasks and I get bored rather quick, if there is no way to accomplish it.
Careful. Your post risks erecting the Monolith before which the Apes may begin to reason.
The common mantra associated with GW2 that says, "With this game, you can just have fun", is based on personal preferences of a certain type of gamers. How people have fun is very subjective, for example, one of the reasons I like MMORPGs is because I can improve my characters over time. I am certain that many play MMORPGs for that reason. If I want to play more skill focused game, I would play FPS or RTS etc., or a hybrid MMORPG that combines theorycrafting, personal skill and improving your character overtime.
Even the title of this thread tries to be demeaning towards people who enjoy improving their characters, trying to postulate that it is somehow inferior to those who think that they are akin to the korean micro-management gods. Sorry, but improving your character has always been a major feature in RPGs. If you want to compete in PvP, like in WoW, you will have the best class, the best build and the best gear to do it. In other words, it requires effort. You will still need personal skill and lots of practise to compete for the top spots. GW2 really just removes gear from consideration (aka improving your character over time). You still need the best class and the best build and lots of personal skill and practise.
All the above in mind, the PvE game of GW2 is probably not going to have much longevity for some players. I probably play a character through it once and do some of the harder stuff, but I am not interested in cosmetic improvements. I like to optimize my character for various tasks and I get bored rather quick, if there is no way to accomplish it.
Careful. Your post risks erecting the Monolith before which the Apes may begin to reason.
Not quite, you both missed the point. "Just have fun" is an allegory to removing common barriers of entry, such as loot, that's been the plague of MMOs. It wasn't actually about whether or not a particular person finds it fun, rather that GW2 skips the crap and gets right to the meat of the gameplay.
I know people go looking for flame bait, but stop taking everything so literal.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
GW2 has only 5 weapon skills per bar, how skillful can one be with so little skills available to them. I'm sorry but the learning curve for this game is very low. If you can't figure out how to use those skills limited skills to the best of your ability then I can't see how skill will determine how well you do. It isn't difficult to figure it out.
There is ~15 to 20 skills that you can actively use on 7/8 classes. The engineer can use up to ~40-45.
For instance, An Elemetalist equips a weapon and has access to 20 weapon skills as well as a heal skill, 3 utility skills and an elite skill. For them it is 25 unique active skills through the use of 1 weapon, all of which can be switched out for 30+ different unique active skills.
For another instance, a Mesmer can use two weapon sets that gives them access to 10 skills. They also also have 1 heal, 3 utility and 1 elite. On top of that, they have 4 class skills. That is 19 unique active skills, 15 of which can be switched out for over 30 different skills.
So no, there are not on'y 5 weapon skills per bar. Hopefully this helps you.
Swapping weapons but still at any time in the game you only get to use 5 weapon skills at a time. It isn't difficult! Yeah tons of skill right there.
Right, so, how about you and I meet up in PvP. I'll bring my two weapon sets and you can focus on your "only 5 weapon skills at a time". Won't you be surprised when I attack you from afar, then when you get close enough to me (assuming you remember to dodge - hey another skill! - and I don't kill you first with my 5 lame ranged skills), I'll swap my weapons real quick and nail you with some good melee, then dodge heal dodge, open up with my ranged again and finish you off will some good melee again. All with "only 5 weapon skills at a time".
And that's just one way to do it.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
I have to be honest, as much as I am a fan of GW2, I think that this elitist attitude and epeen stroking has to end. The game is not going to scare away less skilled players.
Meh. Raider elitism will just get replaced by PvP elitism, which isn't any better.
At least now you can beat up all the thrashtalkers.
Those are probably going to stay in sPvP and they are welcome to it. I was never a huge fan of battlegrounds or arenas anyways.
Me either, but WvWvW is so much fun!!!!
Honestly, I hope it doesn't scare away less skilled players. I hope that people will find it fun enough and intuitive enough to want to continually get better at playing. That's what I plan to do.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
GW2 has only 5 weapon skills per bar, how skillful can one be with so little skills available to them. I'm sorry but the learning curve for this game is very low. If you can't figure out how to use those skills limited skills to the best of your ability then I can't see how skill will determine how well you do. It isn't difficult to figure it out.
There is ~15 to 20 skills that you can actively use on 7/8 classes. The engineer can use up to ~40-45.
For instance, An Elemetalist equips a weapon and has access to 20 weapon skills as well as a heal skill, 3 utility skills and an elite skill. For them it is 25 unique active skills through the use of 1 weapon, all of which can be switched out for 30+ different unique active skills.
For another instance, a Mesmer can use two weapon sets that gives them access to 10 skills. They also also have 1 heal, 3 utility and 1 elite. On top of that, they have 4 class skills. That is 19 unique active skills, 15 of which can be switched out for over 30 different skills.
So no, there are not on'y 5 weapon skills per bar. Hopefully this helps you.
Swapping weapons but still at any time in the game you only get to use 5 weapon skills at a time. It isn't difficult! Yeah tons of skill right there.
Right, so, how about you and I meet up in PvP. I'll bring my two weapon sets and you can focus on your "only 5 weapon skills at a time". Won't you be surprised when I attack you from afar, then when you get close enough to me (assuming you remember to dodge - hey another skill! - and I don't kill you first with my 5 lame ranged skills), I'll swap my weapons real quick and nail you with some good melee, then dodge heal dodge, open up with my ranged again and finish you off will some good melee again. All with "only 5 weapon skills at a time".
And that's just one way to do it.
lol. just block that guy. just dont answer him. is obvious from is post history he is just a troll, is uncredible how a guy can post so much false information and not get banned. seriously, every post i saw from this guy was just crap, he dont know anything about game, go check is post history and you will smile...A LOT, than block him as i did.
btw, i want to see a guy not swap weapon or atunements on sPvP, must be a great player indeed. you cant see mesphster because is clear never play the game, or he play the game and just want give false information.
the best part is in mesphster opinion:
GW2 = only 5 skills on bar game suck, dont have much tactic
skyrim = best game ever, yap, because that game have lot of skills on bar.... LOOOOOOL
I have to be honest, as much as I am a fan of GW2, I think that this elitist attitude and epeen stroking has to end. The game is not going to scare away less skilled players.
Meh. Raider elitism will just get replaced by PvP elitism, which isn't any better.
At least now you can beat up all the thrashtalkers.
Those are probably going to stay in sPvP and they are welcome to it. I was never a huge fan of battlegrounds or arenas anyways.
Me either, but WvWvW is so much fun!!!!
Honestly, I hope it doesn't scare away less skilled players. I hope that people will find it fun enough and intuitive enough to want to continually get better at playing. That's what I plan to do.
Contrary to what a few elitists think, I doubt that it will. GW2 accomodates multiple preferences and players of varying ability levels.
Besides, the game play is familiar enough to allow for easy transation from your typical MMO to a more action oriented one of GW2.
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Did you play the original GW?? If you did you would know that armor really only made a difference in looks. People would not get FoW or elite armors because of the stats, but because it looked better. They aren't changing that in GW2. No one is getting "one shotted"
Ha ok. I know there's no gear treadmill (thank god), but i was simply trying to say that, unless you have the right gear level, you won't last in pve. Yous till need that "Helmet of Pwnage" to go to the area or die. But yes, not gear grind.
Regarding PVP, i'm sorry i used an extreme example. To give a better comparison, i find racing and FPS'ers to require more "skill" than GW2 even (my opinion ok?), but, in NFS many times, without the right car, you'll be in trouble against supercars. i'm also playing OP7 and because of Nexon's BG CS players can buy the best weapons and overpwer you.
In both example, you can still win, and i did sometimes, but the chances are slim. When i said 1 shot, it was somewhat extreme, however, if the gear level difference is considerable enough, you'll find yourself a situation that creates alot of imbalance. Defenatly alot more compared to Structured. So, gear isn't almighty, but still very, very important.
I hope that clears up some stuff.
I still disagree with you completely, taking GW as experience. Your level will matter not your gear. So in PvE you can't go to higher level places in PvP it doesn't matter since its the same level. Gear really doesn't play a role besides looks in the GW universe, unless you know some secret info that proves they changed this in GW2.....
OK, sounds like a little misunderstanding of what you're trying to communicate, no problem. When you use a term like "helmet of pwnage", that's actually implying (intentional or not) more of a pay-to-win scenario, where you can purchase something that gives you a marked advantage in the game that others can't get in game. That probably explains a lot of the confusion. Yes, you'll want level appropriate gear, especially for the more challenging content. However, that doesn't detract from the skills required to complete the content. So yes, I'll agree that gear is important, but to a much lesser degree than in games that rely on the gear treadmill as the carrot. In GW2, if you're at level 80, you have access to the best stats. The choice then is to find the look you like and combine that with the stats you want.
Using a term like "of pwnage" gave the impression you were thinking the gear-curve is rather severe, when in fact it's much less severe in GW2 and flat at level.
Oderint, dum metuant.
Considering that EVE has a lot of grinding and stats, I am not sure what you mean. EVE is definitely not an example of a level playing field.
Fair enough. My bad, the helmey of pwnage was regarding gear for something like mid-level areas. Honeslty, i'd say endgame gear would be a "plus 1000 Defense" Helmet
When i say gear matters, it's in the extent that it stil greatly affects your performance in combat, like i said using my FPS/Racing examples. The "1-shot" part was when i was thinking LEVEL 10 VS LEVEL 80 gear. A huge difference as you can see. The closer the gap, the betteer the chances. Also, like i said earlier, numbers and siege weapons play a role.
So yes, gear isn't as supreme as other mmo, but still important to be on a good, more equal playing field. (not in the situation meantioned above). And tthere's the auto leveling to 80 part of course.
Sounding more and more elitist every day...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
to hell with this. GW2 cant come any sooner.
Lots of stupid comments here....
Bad players will not be "scared" away. The fact that you guys are stroking each other off to this nonsense is hilarious. In LoL you have lots of bad players; yet no gear grind crutch.
You know what they'll say?
"You used CC that's cheap"
"Your class is OP"
Get the idea?
I have to be honest, as much as I am a fan of GW2, I think that this elitist attitude and epeen stroking has to end. The game is not going to scare away less skilled players. ArenaNet is not that dumb.
The game has many ways of enjoying it at different skill levels. You have your dynamic events PvE, which anyone can enjoy, regardless of ability. There is also WvW, which can be enjoyed at any skill level, especially if you move with a large zerg. You also have crafting, exploring, puzzle solving and jump puzzles, all of which can be enjoyed by anyone with minimal twitch skills and MMO experience.
Then you have the stuff that is geared towards the more skilled players: explorer mode dungeons and structured PvP, predominantly, but also smaller groups in WvW and to a lesser extent story mode dungeons.
Where's my like button?!
Anyways, we've seen in these very forums already how some of the community is receiving this gameplay style. The people who've actually tried it are usually 99% on board, the rest of the people I would suspect are the people who A: don't like the cash shop (even tho there's nothing wrong with the system Eve is using) B: don't like that armor won't be their saving grace anymore in PVE or PVP or C: just plain don't know how to react to not having to pay a subscription to play a game.
Meh. Raider elitism will just get replaced by PvP elitism, which isn't any better.
At least now you can beat up all the thrashtalkers.
Those are probably going to stay in sPvP and they are welcome to it. I was never a huge fan of battlegrounds or arenas anyways.
I laughed so hard my dog jumped.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Yes and no. The gamer mentality of today is different than what it used to be. Is GW2 harder? No, but it is different, and it's something people aren't used to, which translates out to harder...at first. It's the "at first" part that's the deal breaker with said gamer mentality of today. I have no doubt many people won't bother trying to learn a new system, claim it's too hard, and either scream for nerfs or just GBTW. Mostly because that's already what I saw in the GW2 BWE forums, people bitching the game was too hard and suggesting WoW mechanics to make it easier. I lol'ed.
It used to be that when a game was hard, that just meant it was going to last the player longer. Now - partially because there are more choices in games, and partially because of other things which I won't mention lest I start a flame war as people attempt to defend their integrity (oops, went there anyway) - when something is hard, people just bash the game on a forum then go play something else. Which is fine, don't need them in the game anyway; it doesn't need to be as successful as WoW, it just needs to be successful enough to live and grow, which it already is.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
i will suck at pvp, but i will love skill based combat over gear based combat.. oh yes. If i want to keep grinding gears to be a good player i go back to WoW. GW2 is totally a fresh air
Firing a rifle has only one 'skill per bar' and yet it involves a great deal of skill to use well in the real world.
There is more skill in how you use limited resources to best effect in overcoming an obstacle than in having a hundred skills that between them cover every possible situation.
When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.
Careful. Your post risks erecting the Monolith before which the Apes may begin to reason.
Well, I do plan to get involved in sPvP, and I was never a fan of that language. I guess it can't be any worse than LoL and HoN, though.
You will see them prance around saying how PvE is lame often enough, don't worry... these kinds of people never keep to themselves.
Not quite, you both missed the point. "Just have fun" is an allegory to removing common barriers of entry, such as loot, that's been the plague of MMOs. It wasn't actually about whether or not a particular person finds it fun, rather that GW2 skips the crap and gets right to the meat of the gameplay.
I know people go looking for flame bait, but stop taking everything so literal.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Right, so, how about you and I meet up in PvP. I'll bring my two weapon sets and you can focus on your "only 5 weapon skills at a time". Won't you be surprised when I attack you from afar, then when you get close enough to me (assuming you remember to dodge - hey another skill! - and I don't kill you first with my 5 lame ranged skills), I'll swap my weapons real quick and nail you with some good melee, then dodge heal dodge, open up with my ranged again and finish you off will some good melee again. All with "only 5 weapon skills at a time".
And that's just one way to do it.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
Me either, but WvWvW is so much fun!!!!
Honestly, I hope it doesn't scare away less skilled players. I hope that people will find it fun enough and intuitive enough to want to continually get better at playing. That's what I plan to do.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
lol. just block that guy. just dont answer him. is obvious from is post history he is just a troll, is uncredible how a guy can post so much false information and not get banned. seriously, every post i saw from this guy was just crap, he dont know anything about game, go check is post history and you will smile...A LOT, than block him as i did.
btw, i want to see a guy not swap weapon or atunements on sPvP, must be a great player indeed. you cant see mesphster because is clear never play the game, or he play the game and just want give false information.
the best part is in mesphster opinion:
GW2 = only 5 skills on bar game suck, dont have much tactic
skyrim = best game ever, yap, because that game have lot of skills on bar.... LOOOOOOL
Contrary to what a few elitists think, I doubt that it will. GW2 accomodates multiple preferences and players of varying ability levels.
Besides, the game play is familiar enough to allow for easy transation from your typical MMO to a more action oriented one of GW2.