Although at #4 onward my list becomes pretty shaky. With TSW the jury is still out as to how long it'll remain interesting, and with LOTRO/WAR they were games which barely held me maybe 1 month past the free month.
But the first three are the three MMORPGs to actually min-max their design correctly (ie if combat is the focus, double-down on combat and (a) make it really fun and (b) make it really convenient to get to.)
Coincidentally they're also some of the strongest grouping games I've played.
(Honorable mention: Planetside. While it's a MMOFPS, not a MMORPG, it's been one of only two MMOs I've played which did PVP correctly.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
I would have rated Planetside a joint 2nd with SWG tbh, but only the pre-core combat version, i really think the BFR's just messed that game up too much. and.. planetside 2.. really really hope that for once SOE don't mess up.. crossing all fingers and toes here but it may not be enough
I swear Funcom pays some of these guys to post here...Played TSW it wasn't very good.....Say what you want but the combat and animations were awful and the cutscenes got old extremely fast (like sick of them by Kingsmouth)......I'm so tired of people listing the MMO flavor of the month as the best MMO ever its not even funny......
I swear Funcom pays some of these guys to post here...Played TSW it wasn't very good.....Say what you want but the combat and animations were awful and the cutscenes got old extremely fast (like sick of them by Kingsmouth)......I'm so tired of people listing the MMO flavor of the month as the best MMO ever its not even funny......
So, the guy is payed by Funcom for placing a game that's been out for a month, but Anet isn't paying anybody for placing a game 2 months away from release with 1 last BWE before that to place it as number 2? Really?
Based on my experiences in the released version, open BETA and closed BETA:
Its different, and not a WoW clone. A "thinking persons" MMO
If it was a thinking peron's MMO there wouldn't be glowing arrows for everything telling you where to go.
And has the genre fallen this far, really, that we consider games like TSW NOT WoW clones, just because they have a few gimmicks that are slightly different?
You lose a lot of credibility when listing MMOs that aren't even out, some that are just bad knock offs like AoC.
Anyway, here's my list.
1. Ultima Online - Umatched to this day in level of activities for a player to take part in.
2. Dark Age of Camelot - Perfected the balanced between freedom and directed gameplay, PvE and PvP. Has the best, most innovative PvP system to date. It also boasts some of the hardest raids in MMO history. There has never been an MMO that suits every playstyle quite like DAoC, there's even a FFA PvP server.
3. Eve Online - The be all end all space sandbox. I'm not too fond of it due to its removed nature (realistic I know, but I still want to dogfight) but the sheer level of complexity and things to do is astounding. A true MMO with freedom and social experiences at its core.
4. Vanguard - Open world, no zoning, no loading, no instances. Classes with lots of fluff, lots of social features, the only AAA MMO to innovate in the last 8 years with its diplomacy, crafting, and dungeons. The best dungeon design in MMO history. (EverQuest gets an honorable mention here. But both EQ and VG are built on a flawed design that encourages raid elitism.
5. Star Wars Galaxies - For all its horrendous flaws and bad code, it had amazing ideas. The Jedi system was terrible, but its balanced out by how amazing the Jump to Lightspeed Expansion was.
I was interested in GW2 but next to TSW it's an absolute turd. Really feels like a F2P in comparison.
Everyone has an opinion. But this one kinda insults GW2 and all its of community. If GW2, which is one of the best reviewd games and it is only in beta, feels like turd when putting it against TSW, and then I really wodner why they haven´t given TSW any '' Oscar '' so far.
Of course, when days come and reviewing sites will be putting ahead GW2 of TSW,that if GW2 proved when launched that it is a great game, I doun´t have any doubt that ppl will say '' Anet has given all these sites money '' etc. This is the problem with the fanbois, when they like a game, they will never change their opinion and what´s more annoying that they spam every thread, having the joy to insult all other games coming out.
I am not even a GW2 fan nd I am already sick of all TSW fanbois spamming the whole forum how GW2 is shit. Not to mention how GW2 fanbois are spammin the whole internet whit how amazing their game is and how childish other games in comparsion. Guys .. just relax and have fun.
Are you really so offended by TSW that you have to keep posting about it?
Also, it is an MMO regardless of what you say. You must of hit your head hard or something. TSW being an MMO or not is not up for discussion. Get over it and move on.
Depends on what you define "best" as, WoW was definitely the best around when it released but it's not the best now.. so if we go off current feelings
GW2 - Took pretty much every complaint I had while playing wow and fixed it.
TSW - It's new..
WoW - Still a quality game just not into the whole raiding geargrind thing anymore
Rift - A solid game (wowclone), mechanic wise somethings better then wow but the game has no.. "soul" like wow does (or atleast did)
EVE - Purely on the premise of the game and that it actually is a living breathing galaxy to an extent but the actual gameplay bores me to tears and the lack of a real avatar is very annoying to me.
1 - EQ It kept me busy for 3-4 years without getting any character past level 38. Lots to do in early levels and they took awhile to progress through. Each starting area was unique (with a couple of exceptions). Having my bard get his Lambent Armor was a great quest line! And it took awhile to accomplish. I regret not sticking around long enough to do my epic quest. The singing sword would have been great fun getting.
2 - CoH Spending literally hours in the character creator was awesome. The first Super Hero genre where punching a villain and watching him fly through the air was great. The way the missions scale to how big the group is entering them is superb. Kept me busy for 3-4 years. The replay-ability is great. When they introduced rag-doll physics, it made for some great laughs. CoH had some great quest lines and story arcs.
3 - WoW It took a couple of tries, but when I played after BC, I was able to stick with it for a constant couple of years. Once I got a character to max level, the replay value slacked off some. The beginning areas were great for different gameplay, but once in the mid-levels and on, the same areas (depending upon your faction) were the same.
All of the above had great worlds to explore and get lost in. They all had depth and many ways to find fun. None were perfect, though
I cannot think of any other to round out my list. I've played a few other MMOs, but I would not rank them anywhere near "the best ever made."
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
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1. WOW
2. CoH
3. RIFT
4. TSW
5. LOTRO or WAR
Although at #4 onward my list becomes pretty shaky. With TSW the jury is still out as to how long it'll remain interesting, and with LOTRO/WAR they were games which barely held me maybe 1 month past the free month.
But the first three are the three MMORPGs to actually min-max their design correctly (ie if combat is the focus, double-down on combat and (a) make it really fun and (b) make it really convenient to get to.)
Coincidentally they're also some of the strongest grouping games I've played.
(Honorable mention: Planetside. While it's a MMOFPS, not a MMORPG, it's been one of only two MMOs I've played which did PVP correctly.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
You wrote this entire thread just to say you think the secret world is the best mmo ever? Sort of a lot of work don't you think?
Ha, I don't like either one of them!
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
1. DAOC
2. SWG (before the fall that is)
3. Eve
4. Everquest
5. WoW.
I would have rated Planetside a joint 2nd with SWG tbh, but only the pre-core combat version, i really think the BFR's just messed that game up too much. and.. planetside 2.. really really hope that for once SOE don't mess up.. crossing all fingers and toes here but it may not be enough
I swear Funcom pays some of these guys to post here...Played TSW it wasn't very good.....Say what you want but the combat and animations were awful and the cutscenes got old extremely fast (like sick of them by Kingsmouth)......I'm so tired of people listing the MMO flavor of the month as the best MMO ever its not even funny......
So, the guy is payed by Funcom for placing a game that's been out for a month, but Anet isn't paying anybody for placing a game 2 months away from release with 1 last BWE before that to place it as number 2? Really?
all time
1 DAOC
2 EVE
3 Planetside
4 COH
5 WOW before they hired all thoos EQ raid dudes
current
1 EVE
2 TSW
3 GW2 beta
4 nothing
5 nothing
I was interested in GW2 but next to TSW it's an absolute turd. Really feels like a F2P in comparison.
Here is your score for the "god" game TSW 72/100.
If it was a thinking peron's MMO there wouldn't be glowing arrows for everything telling you where to go.
And has the genre fallen this far, really, that we consider games like TSW NOT WoW clones, just because they have a few gimmicks that are slightly different?
You lose a lot of credibility when listing MMOs that aren't even out, some that are just bad knock offs like AoC.
Anyway, here's my list.
1. Ultima Online - Umatched to this day in level of activities for a player to take part in.
2. Dark Age of Camelot - Perfected the balanced between freedom and directed gameplay, PvE and PvP. Has the best, most innovative PvP system to date. It also boasts some of the hardest raids in MMO history. There has never been an MMO that suits every playstyle quite like DAoC, there's even a FFA PvP server.
3. Eve Online - The be all end all space sandbox. I'm not too fond of it due to its removed nature (realistic I know, but I still want to dogfight) but the sheer level of complexity and things to do is astounding. A true MMO with freedom and social experiences at its core.
4. Vanguard - Open world, no zoning, no loading, no instances. Classes with lots of fluff, lots of social features, the only AAA MMO to innovate in the last 8 years with its diplomacy, crafting, and dungeons. The best dungeon design in MMO history. (EverQuest gets an honorable mention here. But both EQ and VG are built on a flawed design that encourages raid elitism.
5. Star Wars Galaxies - For all its horrendous flaws and bad code, it had amazing ideas. The Jedi system was terrible, but its balanced out by how amazing the Jump to Lightspeed Expansion was.
Everyone has an opinion. But this one kinda insults GW2 and all its of community. If GW2, which is one of the best reviewd games and it is only in beta, feels like turd when putting it against TSW, and then I really wodner why they haven´t given TSW any '' Oscar '' so far.
Of course, when days come and reviewing sites will be putting ahead GW2 of TSW,that if GW2 proved when launched that it is a great game, I doun´t have any doubt that ppl will say '' Anet has given all these sites money '' etc. This is the problem with the fanbois, when they like a game, they will never change their opinion and what´s more annoying that they spam every thread, having the joy to insult all other games coming out.
I am not even a GW2 fan nd I am already sick of all TSW fanbois spamming the whole forum how GW2 is shit. Not to mention how GW2 fanbois are spammin the whole internet whit how amazing their game is and how childish other games in comparsion. Guys .. just relax and have fun.
That doesn't mean anything, all big profile games get great reviews. Age of Conan got 9s, then Funcom went bankrupt because the game was awful.
Those EQ raid dudes are the ones who made the game to begin with. Why do you think it has all the flaws of EQ?
1. GW2 ( Is in beta but still better than other mmorpg i have played...)
2. EvE
3. WOW (VAnilla)
4. Fallen Earth
5. DAOC
It is better to read my whole comment and get the point instead of focusing on some words that are used to '' explain '' the situation.
1. Tied for first are Ultima Online and Asherons Call
3. SWG pre-NGE/CU
4. Anarchy Oline
5. For newer games I have to give a spot to Rift.
Looking at the top 5's of many here, I don't have a lot of hope the future of the genre will be any better than it is now.
And yeah...get off my lawn!
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
1. The Secret World
2. World of Warcraft
3. Rift
4. Tera
5. Eve
Grim Dawn, the next great action rpg!
http://www.grimdawn.com/
Safe to say that my opinion of gaming is nothing close to that of the OPs.
TSW brings nothing really new to the genre and being new has little content so cant match up to older MMOs.
1. Asherons Call
2. Star Wars Galaxies
3. Dark Age of Camelot
4. World of Warcraft
5. Ultima Online
Exactly, ty.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
Dark Age of Camelot
1. DoAC - Hands down best mmo experience
2. SWG - *Pre-NGE
3. EQ - best gear grinder out there
4. EvE - Really fun with friends
5. Darkfall - No other game has ever got my blood pumping and my heart racing as much as darkfall did.
*edit Opps didnt add the "Pre" in NGEAre you really so offended by TSW that you have to keep posting about it?
Also, it is an MMO regardless of what you say. You must of hit your head hard or something. TSW being an MMO or not is not up for discussion. Get over it and move on.
Depends on what you define "best" as, WoW was definitely the best around when it released but it's not the best now.. so if we go off current feelings
GW2 - Took pretty much every complaint I had while playing wow and fixed it.
TSW - It's new..
WoW - Still a quality game just not into the whole raiding geargrind thing anymore
Rift - A solid game (wowclone), mechanic wise somethings better then wow but the game has no.. "soul" like wow does (or atleast did)
EVE - Purely on the premise of the game and that it actually is a living breathing galaxy to an extent but the actual gameplay bores me to tears and the lack of a real avatar is very annoying to me.
How is Age of Conan sexy? The men are UGLY!
He didn't say it was his "God" game, he just said it was better than GW2. Do you consider GW2 to be a "God" game?
1 - EQ
It kept me busy for 3-4 years without getting any character past level 38. Lots to do in early levels and they took awhile to progress through. Each starting area was unique (with a couple of exceptions). Having my bard get his Lambent Armor was a great quest line! And it took awhile to accomplish. I regret not sticking around long enough to do my epic quest. The singing sword would have been great fun getting.
2 - CoH
Spending literally hours in the character creator was awesome. The first Super Hero genre where punching a villain and watching him fly through the air was great. The way the missions scale to how big the group is entering them is superb. Kept me busy for 3-4 years. The replay-ability is great. When they introduced rag-doll physics, it made for some great laughs. CoH had some great quest lines and story arcs.
3 - WoW
It took a couple of tries, but when I played after BC, I was able to stick with it for a constant couple of years. Once I got a character to max level, the replay value slacked off some. The beginning areas were great for different gameplay, but once in the mid-levels and on, the same areas (depending upon your faction) were the same.
All of the above had great worlds to explore and get lost in. They all had depth and many ways to find fun. None were perfect, though
I cannot think of any other to round out my list. I've played a few other MMOs, but I would not rank them anywhere near "the best ever made."
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR