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Judging on the first two zones.... GTFO
Latnemurtsni
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Seriously, People are Judging this game on the first two zones. I noticed that the first two zones are just a "How To" areas. They show you the types of missions and really get you out of the "Quest Hub; Pick up everything , Do evertyhing" Aspect. I am about to finish Blue Mountain, and I must say that place kicked my ass more than the last two zones, IMO get a buddy you see doing the same mission and just group up, shit gets tough. I would assume its the same thing for Egypt and Trans. Would anyone agree with that?
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So? Some people don't need more than that to tell a game isn't good for them. If a game takes a long time to "get good" ESPECIALLY a themepark MMO, there's a problem.
It's just as bad as all the people who are only playing it for a few days and call it gods gifts to "MMO"RPGs. The same was said for SWTOR at the time, remember?
This ^.
Also consider that hose first 2 zones are 25% of the game's content. Egypt (2 zones) is really short, and while I really liked Transylvania, it's not a whole lot different than kingsport. The atmosphere is different, for sure, but the story feels very similar, and you are still doing the same things you were doing in the first 2 zones.
For those who really liked the first 2 zones of the game, the rest of the game will definitely get more fun & engaging as you go along.
For those that didn't, I'm sorry but it's highly unlikely that the rest of the game will win you over if you 'stick it out'.
- On a side note: I have yet to play an MMO where I don't get a pretty good understanding of how the game is from the first few zones. This may have been more true pre-WoW, in which it was surprising when a game suddenly shifted focus from the exploring & questing, to a dungeon grind, but it's pretty much expected nowadays.
The first few zones of nearly every game shows you how the mechanics within the game are setup, as well as what the developers are trying to accomplish. There are a few exceptions, but TSW isn't one of them.
I think you care too much what other people think.
It's their money, they can judge it on what ever they want to.
If you've got a bad build, and/or are gearing incorrectly for solo, then yeah. Blue Mountain + is kind of hard. Once you get a decent solo build and gear better its not really hard. Other than that, there are a few quests in each "zone" that are designed around having several people, though most of them you can still do solo.
Unfortunately, imo, The first two zones were the best zones. Egypt through Translyvania are alright, but they feel of less quality design time.
Personally the ONLY thing that pisses me off are game reviewers who get paid to hype and lie- Not people dismissing or going fanboi after a short time.
When is the last AAA game you can remember (single player or MMO) that has EVER scored under a 7/10 ? Tahat must mean 99% of all games are above average based on Reviews from gaming Mags and Websites. THIS is where we have an issue IMHO.
People want to play the game and have fun. If they don't have fun, they stop playing. I don't see the problem with that. Developers know this. So they try what they can to make the first few hours the most interesting. Think about Age of Conan with all the voice acting and stuff in the starter town. So if you play the first few hours, and have no fun despite the huge effort of the developers, then the game probably ain't for you.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
It makes up for all the payed reviews Age of Conan got I suppose. Hahaha people gave that game 9s and 10s.
Funny thing is, you've also just pointed out a very good example of why the 'people should stick it out longer' argument is flawed.
AoC had a pretty awesome starter zone in the form of Tortage. The game quickly started to go downhill from there. Many people complained about why the rest of the game wasn't like Tortage. It's because developers know that the first play session of their game is the most crucial, they tend to shove most of their resources towards the beginning content, and many don't have enough time or money to flesh out the later content. In most MMOs, if you don't like the earlier content, the endgame isn't any better.
This is kind of dumb to say that. I'm barely out of the 1st zone and I'm having a blast just from Kingsmouth alone. If someone isn't enjoying it part way into Kingsmouth then the game probably isn't for them. Doesn't mean the game is bad because of that. Just mean's different strokes for different folks
It's the same as any other game. Do you play an FPS half way before you decide if you like it or not? How about a fighting game or an RTS? If the game doesn't grab you right away, chances are you're not going to stick with it for long.
With that being said, the first 3 zones in TSW are the best in the game, in my opinion. Egypt and Transylvania are a bit bland in comparison. So as far as I'm concerned, if the best zones didn't grab the player, the rest won't either.
Two zones is a quarter of the existing content ... I'm not sure saying that these are throw-away areas before the "real game" is doing TSW any kind of credit.
Anyway, from what I've experience so far IMO Kingsmouth offers the best-conceived area of the game in terms of incorporating the real world setting with urban legend and modern horror. Savage Coast and Blue Mountain have some really cool individual elements, but I think they tend to clash pretty badly in an effort to fill the area up with interesting content.
I also think that while the cult of Aten and the Biblical plagues were a good foundation, most of the material used for Egypt feels too manufactured for the purpose of filling up two zones IMO. However, the quest design/objectives themselves in Egypt are probably the best outside of the investigative quests IMO.
If people don't like those first zones, there isn't much you can say. The zones in this game aren't radically different from the starting area.
Frankly, I thought Kingsmouth was awesome. It totally grabbed me.
Its time people realized that this game isn't for everyone and that's ok. The game will be fine without them.
It's one of the best mmo experiences I have ever had. I can understand how people would dislike it, however.
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This.I'm enjoying the game, but let's not just make things up. If a player isn't enjoying it by the time he finishes Kingsmouth he isn't going to like it later.
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indeed, i love the game myself, but this game DEFINITLY is not for everyone. You really have to love the zombie appocolyps stuff and even more crazier stuff then that to enjoy it. H.P. Lovecraft fans will love it most likly and the only downfall in my eyes atm (beyond minor bugs) is the animations still need work. Beyond that thou, this is the first MMO sense DOAC that I actually enjoyed and could look past all the little issues and enjoy it as is. One to their own, but for me, if I don't love a game within the first hour, it's not worth playing.
The comments about "just keep trying" or "wait till you reach this" doesn't change what people will think about a game. It NEVER does, just give up that false hype. You will like it within the first hour or not. Personally I love it, at least for now. I did love starwars when it first came out, but fell short within a month. This one thou, I can't say I see the same thing. At least what I have seen is engaging and has depth.
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With games like these you just gotta wait a couple months and let the luster wear off. Check back in a few months and see what the state of the game is, then you'll have a better idea of whether or not it's worth playing. I'm tired of dropping money on games and giving them the benifit of the doubt only to be severely disappointed in the end.
Not really true, the friends I talked into playing the game mostly didn't fall in love with it until the faction mission after Blue Mountain and entering Scorched Desert. That's the point where the game shows you what it's going to be like going forward.
Yes. I agree. The first two zones if you do everything is about 15 hours or so. More than enough time to know if you like the game. Some aspects you can tell in the first 10 minutes, so the first two zones is definately enough.
I dont get this thread. You talk as if the first 2 zones were bad. Savage coast is so far my favourite zone by far (havent reached transylvania yet).
No, he talks as if he didn't like them.
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I knew within an hour that I didn't like WoW. I knew within a half hour I didn't like WAR. I knew within a day I didn't like LotRO. It really doesn't take much to get a feel for a game, especially considering how similar all themeparks are.
@ the OP
If you like the game just play it.. i am I think its awesome.. but its pointless posting stuff on here as all the haters will jump on it and rip it apart lol..
Good point, still while i do enjoy the areas of the game until now at least, am not enjoying the game core itself, i felt it's too shallow for an MMO, maybe it would be better as a single player game, and by that i mean the game doesn’t have much to it, it's all about solo play and questing, i mean where's the depth that should be in any MMO ? it felt much like playing Diablo no an MMO.
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iam in last zone... so can i judge? all zones are balaced.. but truth is... kingsmount is maybe 5% more interesting then others... so i think this is nice
To be fair, if you only play Kingsmouth and don't like the game for any reason, is it it's basic combat mechanics or the questing system, then it is very unlikely that you will change your mind on later zones. Yes, they will get harder and more interessting by adding more combat stats that you need to counter with your build, but yeah the framework is set in the very first zone.
Content wise the settings might be viewes differently, I personally liked the Scourged Desert better than anything on Solomon Island, the sesert combat, gurilla warfare in the middle of the biblical plagues was just amazing and it had sonme of the best quests I've ever seen in any MMO. Now I'm in The City of the Sun God and it is a bit bland, here there is next to no reference to modern civilization, so this whole zone could have been from a pure fantasy game, didn't like that change to much. Haven't ssen Romania yet...
No, I am saying I love the first two zones, I love the whole Horror theme, but Judging a whole game in its entirety at the first zone is not judging at all. At first I did not like that I had crap skills to choose, but the more I play it the more I want to get AP to get AP so I can finish out my deck. Maybe its just me, but I am not going to judge a MMO buy the first few hours, its not a RPG, its a MMORPG. It will take a bit to really get the game flowing, but like other posters said, you either like it or you don't.