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Not to long ago paying cash for gold was frowned upon,
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and paying cash for in game bonuses was considered pay to win by the vast majority of the mmo community. Sure you had your gold buyers, and those who played pay to win games, but they by no means were the majority.
My question is with the coming of GW2, the cash for gems, and the ability to pay cash for bonuses, has the perception of these things changed?
Disclaimer
This is not a thread about is GW2 pay to win. No minds will be changed on either side of the argument. For the record and to preemtively answer those who will assume, I do not think GW2 is a pay to win game. You can not buy the [Flaming Sword of I Win!]. I do believe you can buy bonuses that can help you in game however.
edit - I just found out GW2 sells armor and strength bonuses. This is no different than selling the sword of I win.
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It comes with everything in life really...
Things that were frowned upon in the past, are accepted and everyday in the future. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
The bonuses don't really bother me and I consider them a waste of money, now the buying gold with gems is a little bothering only because of WvWvW. Now I don't know how long this advantage will last, probably until the higher levels if not end game when people are getting gold left and right and can build siege weapons no problem, but in the beginning it will matter somewhat.
Having that said I really enjoy the game and am looking forward to launch.
Remember... all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.
Are staring at one of those times?
Yes it was frowned uppon..
But the goldsellers made huge ammounts of real monney as more and more people where buying gold, which killed the ingame econnomy of many games. Some farmers in certain openworld games even ruined my actuall game experience.
Atleast this way, while not being really buy gold for real money, its a controlled effort, with way less influence on the ingame economy. That is what Eve proved.
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this theards are getting are so old....
its not pay to win, yes it has a cash shop that you can bu minor buffs in,
but thats not pay 2 win,
go play perfact world (or any koren f2p game) then come back and talk about pay 2 win. or f2p.
gw2 is buy to play with a cash shop that sells mostly cosmatic/conveniently items.
you realy need go play one of those games to have a better understadning what is pay to win.
in WPI you get to leavl 60+ you must start buying Heiros so you woant run out of mana/hp.
that it, you have to buy them to farm xp, with out them your are slowed to over 90% of your leveling speed.
thats pay to win,and this is in a game that all that matter your level.
in gw2 thats not even true. everyone if buffed to 80 in wvw, and Spvp is with pvp gear.
so yeah/.
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nothing changed.
because people are too du... errrr are unable to understand what P2W means does not mean everything is pay 2 win now and everyone accepts it.
no p2w here, move along.
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The "people are buying from gold sellers if you don't make it legit in-game" argument seems like it's logical at first glance, but it's just defeatist logic - and not very good logic at that.
It's like saying you should make anything legal to buy and thus taxable if you can't stop it.
It's the principle that matters. And it really depends on the nature of what's being bought.
If we think it's wrong / unfair to buy in-game adventage with cash, it should be prohibited. Period.
If we think it's OK / fair, then there's no problem to begin with. Have at it!
Myself, even purely cosmetic item shops bug me, so you can imagine where I stand on this...
Another one of these threads, no clue what they are talking about, no backing of their post. Care to explain how paying cash for gold is going to affect a player in any way?
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why?
this is an AAA mmo with no sub, how many games are out there that can say that?
il tell you...None... thats right, you have no MMORPG thats is AAA with no sub.
morever,,, not a whole ago games that in AAA catagory but should not have been (I.E STO, DCUO,CO and others) took 15$ without even blinking.
so you rather pay 15$ a month for a subper MMORPG? or pay IF you want for something that can make your game a bit more enjoyable, note that i did not said more powerful or more faster... since those are not true.
buyt hey, to each is own, and there is a big sign on the door on the way out saying EXIT.
GW2 will be more then fine. hell its going to be 10x more then that... but lets wait another month and another 6 monthes after that... then will talk.
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when WOW launched there was no cash shop or alternative ways to get game items beyond Collector editions
2 years later, Blizzard had a trading card game and lucrative cosmetic items could be bought on ebay
(like the $1000.00 spectral tiger mount)
6 years afer WOW launch, WOW started selling mounts in their online store (Celestial steed)
these were all cosmetics but some Blizzard fans that had zero tolerance for cash items softened their stance
-- as long as it was cosmetic!
gamers have different perceptions of what they will tolerate
but theres no mistaking that, overall, cash items are more accepted now than they were in 2004
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I was always okay with selling gold for money, in all games. I'm generally against botting, but as for gold sellers - I'm okay with it. I'm more than okay with gold selling going through official channels.
I dont like cash shops at all. If they only sell cosmetics I can ignore them and play anyway. If they sell convinience, boosts, utility items and other advantage items it will cross the line IMO. I will not be able to enjoy the game knowing things like that are for sale in the CS. Or if you can buy gold for RM and buy most items for gold in the AH or from vendors.
And how is that going to affect you?
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Dont have to get your panties in a bunch.
Buying in game gold for real money is a form of P2W, how significant that is, is another topic for debate.
so yeah/.
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No he won't... because the "real" situation he's trying to avoid/prevent is a mass exodus of players from TSW in a month.
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I wish him happiness in his game of choice. Personally I think TSW plays better with fewer people around - more "horror" atmosphere that way.
I think the perception has definitely changed...at least in general, but it hasn't changed for me. I was and still am against selling gold for real money. I think it goes against everything that gaming should be...I've explained my reasoning on this in different threads many times over.
That said, GW2 is such an awesome game despite gems for gold, that I'm just going to have to suck it up and play it
. I will not be buying gold for gems though I may buy other things in the CS like more character slots.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I think it is unfair. I want a level playing field. My progress should not depend on how much money I spend. Its a matter of principle..and I dont like it.
If you played the game at all you would know that your progress isn't hindered at all if you don't spend a single cent in the CS. They give you so many ways to level and gain XP most consider the CS Buffs a joke and waste of money.
You are right about this one. But it only changed because the nature of currency and progression in games also changed. In some games, money is an integral part of what you can accomplish and, thus, would have direct implications on the whole game balance.
With a more casual and less maniacal approach to in-game currencies, business models like GW2's are viable without being toxic for the game balance. With it, comes another change: the subscription-less AAA MMO.
I think it was quite an evolution. Burn, currency and equipment grinds!
i will see how thsi thing effects the game and look closely for six months before getting on the wagon
This is true, but I do think that buying gold with cash gives you an advantage. It basically means that you will always have the best or near best equipment available to you, and you will never wont for blueprints in WvW.
I know that at level 80 blueprints may not seem so expensive, but at level 15, I didn't have enough silver for even ONE trebuchet. Couple this with the relative speed at which a battle moves in RvR and new siege equipment is needed...and all of a sudden you have a big money pit that will make buying gold for cash attractive.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
The sad reality is... that the more people accept this kind of thing, the worse it will get. Boundries will always be pushed.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Wow, I didn't say a word about GW2 there... I was talking about the general principle. Because, even though the thread was in the GW2 forums, the question was about the general perception.
And what's with the "EXIT" comment? Why get so annoyed just because I care about fairness in games? It's a bit funny, I must admit.
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