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Fanbois, Haters and Concerned minds
wutae
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I do not get why there is such a debate about GW2, why there must be die hard fanboys why there must be haters and why there must be so many people concerned about the game,
Considering the fact that this is a new mmorpg, that is having a new way of thinking, considering the amount of effort developers have put into the community, even if it is just another themepark, as long as it's a new game with at least decent lore, new mechanics and overall brings MANY and various new elements ( even if some of them are broken ) to the genre, you should really not overthink about it.
Nobody should say it's the perfect game or a messiah to the mmorpg genre, nobody should say that this game will fail, nobody should overthink if this game will be a sucess or not. As long as there is a well stractured base for the game, and as long as developers LISTEN to the consumers, and because this IS an mmorpg that will NOT remain static, the game cant go extremely bad not worthing your 55 Euros/Dollars, and this game even if it's NOT a messiah will at least get your money back.
Casual game? yes? Hardcore game Again yes. Why ?
Simple, it doesnt force you farm day and night, means that it appeals to the casuals, as well as it IS hardcore enough because it has tournaments, it has the basics to make a competitive game, even if sthing IS broken upon release of the game.
Hardcore gamers dont really need sthing to farm constantly to be considered hardcore, they need sthing they can play day and night that will "improve" them that will make them more competitive in tournaments.
Why there are such fanboys? i mean what if sthing is not good enough and something that someone complains must be wrong? who said that all games that are developed are perfect? they are not ! ofc there will be problems, you dont need to defend the game that much, w8 patiently and prove to these haters around that it's still cool,
I mean c'mon arenanet proved, that they can implement so many things in such a short amount of time, WHY ? because it has it's own programmers with it's own graphics engine, some people argued about old graphics engine, i mean how wrong you can be? ofc it's not advanced like others ofc i would love myself better graphics, BUT, Who doesnt really understand that having your OWN in HOUSE graphics engine, even if it's worse from other graphic engines, it becomes superior because you can make changes on the fly? SWTOR failed mostly not because it was an unfinished product, but mostly because it had a graphics engine that developers couldnt make changes on the fly.
this makes GW2 a superior game? NO ! Not a tall, it's just the base of a good developed game,
GW2 has all the basics to be made into a superior game, but nobody guarantees if it WILL be, maybe it will fail, so what? there is no reason to debate on that, you feel like it worths go play ! you feel it doesnt worth? DONT play ! You are concerned? w8 and play after release and after people go into end game! You have money to spare? just buy it, you wont mind anyways :P
Reasons to make all these useless threads in mmorpg.com ? NONE !
Just added a poll for the fun of it :P
Edit: Argh i cant edit, 1st is meant as a Fanboy, 2nd is meant as a Hater, 3rd is Neutral, and 4th is aaa w/e ! 
The tip for
The win is
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Honestly...I've been on these forums for a while, and it seems like, for this game, the "haters" are much more irrational and insulting than the "fanbois."
I've argued for things both against (cash shop) and for (everything else) GW2. When I argued against the cash shop, I got plenty of posters arguing against me, but for the most part, they weren't really irrational with their arguments. They just had different defintions of things like "advantage" or "P2W" than I did.
But it seems like there is an anti-GW2 "inquisition" here that tries to turn anything positive you say about the game into proof that you are a raving fanboi who thinks that GW2 is "MMO Jesus." There are TONS of posts here that try to portray the entire GW2 community like this. There was even a thread asking people if they wouldn't play the game simply because they thought the community was so horrible.
Seriously...WTF? Who abused these people?
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I can understand fanbois, i just cant understand anyone spamming hatred instead of honest opinions
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
From what I've seen, it goes both ways.
GW2 seems to have the same polarizing effect that WoW does around here. Maybe not to the same extent yet, but give it time!
I just think it is funny these threads keep popping up. People would rather debate about a game failing and all this stupid crap instead of actual stuff about the game.
I have already voiced my opinion many times, and am not going to do it again. If people are not going to play the game, it is their loss, and I could honestly care less.
The haters will move on to TESO once gw2 is released.
Wish you're poll had an option for 'I don't care'.
Honestly, the whole fanboi / haters thing is tired.
I don't care if someone is a fan, or dislikes a game. I really don't. What I care about is whether they are actually making sense, and not just pulling reasons out of their arse.
What I don't like, is that while a lot of the fans are pretty outspoken about features they like & don't like about GW2; the haters are on some personal vendetta to slander the entire GW2 community. And, I've gotta say, this ISN'T something you see with every game.
You will always have your forum PvP of 'game X sucks!' and 'no game X doesn't suck!', but very few MMOs have a constant barrage of posters making threads that insult an entire community of people. It's gotten to the point where a lot of threads aren't even about the game anymore. They are about insulting millions of people on baseless generalizations, all because you got called out trolling a fansite (gw2guru).
- I can't count how many threads I've seen on this site that are bashing GW2 fans (on this site), because someone on one of the fansites made the OP look foolish.
To type a big long winded hate thread about any game says to me that that person has some sort of agenda ,or they fear their game of choice is under threat. I wouldn't bother wasting energy writing novel length posts about a game i don't like.
It definitely seems that way. I just hate getting constantly stereotyped into either of these groups.
For an example, I pointed out that the poster in the (extremely obvious) troll thread that is blowing up right now was a troll, and got called a raving fanboy for it lol.
Basically, my stance is that I love GW2 from what I have experienced, but that love is not unconditional, and I would definitely change my opinion if the game took a turn for the worst.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I find it fun when people try to say the sky is pink when I know it is blue.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Now that gets me wondering
How many people overhere have hidden agendas?
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
I just freaking hate being implied stupid, a simpleton or that I just don't like MMOs altogeter because I don't think GW2 is that great. Some GW2 fans are almost as self righteous as pot heads. It's really annoying. I'll post out against that.
If that makes me a hater, so be it.
I would say quite a few, this place is full of shills.
Haters vs Fanbois is the new e-sport.
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Meh, most players dont realize if they are a fanboy or hater. Or at least refuse to admit they are either one or the other. Its fine to post on the forum what you think, because it promotes a healthy discussion. What is unfortunate is the people that force tags on others because you don't agree with their opinion.
Like any post, take it with a grain of salt. Take the parts that seem somewhat reasonable and disregard the rest. As gamers we are all looking forward to new games, as people we want to crique everything, and as consumers we want the best bang for our buck.
Honestly, a lot of people here need to take a breather and realize that its just a forum. Too many angry gamers out there.
hehe it works with every game. Fans are fans. A couple months ago it was Tera vs GW2, then TSW vs GW2. Who cares, play your game or play all of them at once! We all have belly buttons.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I would never imply that you are a simpleton because of not liking GW2, your spelling of "altogether" however....
just kidding! not trying to offend.
There are people that are good and bad on both sides of the fence. The problem is that people tend to respond to negative so much more then they respond to positive. There could be a multitude of reasons for this, but I think it's simply "no need to correct the person that is right, and because they are right they obviously know they are right, so why say anything. That person who's wrong however..."
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
It's business as usual.
When ever any hyped AAA game is close to release, we see the same thing over and over.
What can you say....
People love drama
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I think that buying gold for gems is at least partially a P2W mechanic...people have called me a hater for this, but most of the GW2 fans haven't. They may have disagreed with me, but they didn't shove me into the hater/troll bucket. You can't let the actions of a few cloud your vision.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
that's why i have the "arggh i got confused" it works for that too :P
The tip for
The win is
cooperation.
I'll answer the question in the first paragraph:
It's a forum. On the internet. About video games.
No to go a bit mor ein depth:
Why there are fanboys? Because if yous pend 60 bucks on something you will convince yourself it's best thing since sliced bread, because hey, you spent your money and you can't be wrong. It's everyone else being wrong. It's part of human nature and pretty much applies to every single thing you can purchase. Why is it so apparanet with games? Because gamers use internet more often and thus voice their opinion more often and louder. They defend their own choices because admiting to mistake would be a disaster, and since many of gamers are young people with often limited income, that 60 bucks means much more.
Why there are haters? Those are often people who either can't currently afford given game or just bought a game they stopped enjoying and don't feel like buying new one, but they would be damned if they would ever let anyone be happy. If they are miserable everyone else should be to. It's another form of defensive behaviour.
The third group are trolls that do stuff just because they read on the interwebs that trolling is internet's version of witty sarcasm. It's not 99.99% of time, but they don't realize that. They still think trolling is what cool kids do and more often than not they completely fail at it.
The truth is, all 3 groups are minority. Vocal and loud, but minority. Majority of players do what the name suggest - play games and enjoy them or don't enjoy them and look for a new game. Only few desperatley try to have meaningful discussions, but unless it's small community private forum, more often than not, any form of discussion is not possible thatnks to the 3 archetypes outlined above.
you cannot judge if it IS p2w or it ISNT p2w as long as you dont see it in a live game, again as my initial post, THRE IS NO REASON to debate that. worst case scenario if let's say you buy it, you end up with another p2w among the rest, and you use the game as a MOBA, where gems dont work
The tip for
The win is
cooperation.
This is a great example of the "Experts" I referenced earlier.
Holy fan boy speech. You might want to retitle your topic cause its almost sounding as if your trying to make a point about those mindsets when your just throwing in your own fanboy rant that GW2 is the greatest game ever, Its totally fine btw to voice your opinion, just its not to good to try and make it sound like its something informative when its a one sided post pretty much saying 'haters and concerned are wrong' giving 'facts' that aren't completely true or distorted (example, claiming the game does something new when all it does is 'bedazzle' old things and makes them look a little different. Just cause a fancy box appears with a heart saying to doa bunch of things or an event says 'kill X of Y' doesnt change the fact its just the mmo quest system made to look more add friendly.)
Just don't go addressing a thread as if its something trying to poke at each group and then show the thread to be a fanboy deal basically saying everyone is wrong. Trust me, I'm getting enough of that political BS as it is on tv. :P
It happened with WoW when it became the world´s bigge mmo and now it is happening to Guild Wars 2. This has nothing with how new the game is but is actually something about quality. Anet did a great job and we got a great game, however, fans from other games are just so angry that their game isn´t called '' the best game ever made '', so they come to Guild Wars 2 forums instead, and show how bad this game is.
To be honest, I have kinda never seen a thread in the Guild Wars 2 forum about comparing this game with others. Now if we check other forums, we will see many .. and the result is always the same: the thread maker talk and talk and in the end he says '' So, that´s basically why GW2 is just a shitty game, not worth playing with a P2W model ''. This is exactly what happened with WoW btw, the very first thing fans do when a game comes out: WoW vs X. Now, since WoW is actually kinda outdated and its ability of competing is kinda low, everything has changed to: GW2 vs X.
Not to be rude or anything, but I am kinda more annoyed of the haters than the fanbois. Basically because all other games also have fanbois, who are much worse than the ones we have here in some cases. Finding more GW2 fanbois that other games is just because of it´s huge seize.
PS. When the media rates Guild Wars 2 as a good game, I am awaiting threads like '' Anet has paid the media '' to fill this forum.