Windows 98 was actually pretty good. Windows 95 was a dissaster. Basically, Windows 98 is what win95 should have been, just like Windows 7 is what Windows Vista should have been.
Windows 2000 and Windows XP were good OS'es too. At the moment Windows XP is still the most popular and most used OS.
I have taken a test drive on Windows 8 for some time and at first I didn't like it either, but after some time it grew on me and actually started to like it. The release candidate is extremely stable and the games performed really well (after NVidia got their act together and released proper drivers ofcourse, which wasn't until last month).
The guy from VALVE is only ranting because their Steam App didn't get approved for the Metro environment!
What you forget is that XP was utter crap at launch. After SP2 it became good but before that it was as bug ridden as the temple of Doom.
Windows 98 was actually pretty good. Windows 95 was a dissaster. Basically, Windows 98 is what win95 should have been, just like Windows 7 is what Windows Vista should have been.
Windows 2000 and Windows XP were good OS'es too. At the moment Windows XP is still the most popular and most used OS.
I have taken a test drive on Windows 8 for some time and at first I didn't like it either, but after some time it grew on me and actually started to like it. The release candidate is extremely stable and the games performed really well (after NVidia got their act together and released proper drivers ofcourse, which wasn't until last month).
The guy from VALVE is only ranting because their Steam App didn't get approved for the Metro environment!
What you forget is that XP was utter crap at launch. After SP2 it became good but before that it was as bug ridden as the temple of Doom.
For some reason that statement made me think of Bill Gates dressed as Mola Ram...
Remember is 2002 when Netscape sued MS for using anti-competetive means? Basically they wanted a stripped down version of windows because they said the inclusion of IE was damaging to Netscape.
I know in the EU they had a couple of judgments against them for stuff like this. I'm just wondering if Mr Newell might try to use the same argument about this Windows Store. I hope so. I love it when anyone sticks it to MS.
All the Windows inbetween have never really taken off, ME and Vista.
So going by that, Windows 8 will not be popular on the PC. A lot of people have just moved from Windows XP to Windows 7 so there will not be a lot of takers for Win 8 anyway.
But Win 8 was never intended to replace Windows 7 as a desktop OS for a long time now. Win 8 development changed course long ago to be an OS for the portable internet gadgets market with full support for ARM chips found in a lot of them to compete with Android devices and Apple's iphones and ipads. Why Valve even looked at win 8 as a game development platform for the PC desktop is puzzling.
But Win 8 was never intended to replace Windows 7 as a desktop OS for a long time now. Win 8 development changed course long ago to be an OS for the portable internet gadgets market with full support for ARM chips found in a lot of them to compete with Android devices and Apple's iphones and ipads. Why Valve even looked at win 8 as a game development platform for the PC desktop is puzzling.
This is factually false, Win8 does support portable stuff better than Win7 but it is intended as a replacement to Win7.
All this 'crying' of Win8 is moot, when it is released, Win8 will sell millions because it'll come pre-installed by the big OEMs.
No company in their right mind is going to ignore that.
Will Valve ignore it? Hell no, what happens when Joe-six-pack buys a PC from HP, tries Steam and it doesn't work?
Vista had a horrible reception and that piece of dung sold millions as well.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
"On some versions of Windows 8, it will be the only way to get downloadable software such as games.
Microsoft takes a cut, up to 30%, of every sale made through this store"
That's a quote from the BBC article and if its true I find it to be very troublesome and greedy of MS, 30% stake as well? quite high I for one will stick with win 7 as long as I can
Originally posted by mf16 "On some versions of Windows 8, it will be the only way to get downloadable software such as games.
Microsoft takes a cut, up to 30%, of every sale made through this store"
That's a quote from the BBC article and if its true I find it to be very troublesome and greedy of MS, 30% stake as well? quite high I for one will stick with win 7 as long as I can
The irony of it all is odd. On one hand you have a guy whose company forces his software on the customer in order to purchase games through them and play them. While on the other you have a company who already has a massive market buying their software who has decided it's time to expand its functionality to offer better service. Probably no worse than anything Steam does. How evil of Microsoft.....
That's basically his rant. "Waaaaggghhhh, Microsoft might start to compete with us....."
Originally posted by mf16 "On some versions of Windows 8, it will be the only way to get downloadable software such as games.
Microsoft takes a cut, up to 30%, of every sale made through this store"
That's a quote from the BBC article and if its true I find it to be very troublesome and greedy of MS, 30% stake as well? quite high I for one will stick with win 7 as long as I can
That quote is very mis-leading.
The 'version of Windows 8' in the article that'll be as restricted like that is the mobile version.
Which makes sense since you buy everything from the provider store on your mobile phone, like Apple store on your Iphone.
Unless Dell decided that putting in the Mobile version of the Windows 8 onto their gaming PC is a good idea (what the christ), that quote is very misleading
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
But Win 8 was never intended to replace Windows 7 as a desktop OS for a long time now. Win 8 development changed course long ago to be an OS for the portable internet gadgets market with full support for ARM chips found in a lot of them to compete with Android devices and Apple's iphones and ipads. Why Valve even looked at win 8 as a game development platform for the PC desktop is puzzling.
This is factually false, Win8 does support portable stuff better than Win7 but it is intended as a replacement to Win7.
All this 'crying' of Win8 is moot, when it is released, Win8 will sell millions because it'll come pre-installed by the big OEMs.
No company in their right mind is going to ignore that.
Will Valve ignore it? Hell no, what happens when Joe-six-pack buys a PC from HP, tries Steam and it doesn't work?
Vista had a horrible reception and that piece of dung sold millions as well.
Steam does work perfectly fine on Windows 8. I use Steam and I ran my Steam app and games perfectly fine!
The guy at Valve is just ranting like a little baby, because their app didn't get approved for the Metro environment!
Microsoft is very strict in that (and rightfully so), as Metro apps need to be fully touch capable and also be able to run on ARM devices.
Does Steam support ARM devices and/or deliver games for ARM devices? NO! Case closed.
That whole stupid rant article from that VALVE guy is just hilarious and stupid.
Really really simple. Newell's company is currently #1 in the digital game sales space on Windows. With Windows 8, Microsoft is going to be competing with them. Most companies that have had the experience of Microsoft moving into competition with them haven't particularly enjoyed the experience. Hence, Newell is flinging as much mud at Windows 8 as he can in the hope that some of it sticks.
Originally posted by stayBlind Steam is planning on moving to Linux because Windows 8 is, according to them, a catastrophThis would be awesome!
Lies. flat out lies.
Not flat out lies,more of not understanding what was said I think . Valve is certainly workign on a Linux client and want the whoel steam library to be available on it but they aren't totally moving to Linux only on PC's as "moving" implies.
Steam already exists on linux with the support of wine.
But with 90% of the catalogue developed on Microsoft directx technologies, Its going to be near impossible to have working products straight out the box. if ever.
Before you say "Wine", Wine never gets it right straight out of the box, its going to be a PR nightmare with people demanding refunds for purchased products not working.
I'm not trying to argue with you I'm trying to tell you what you originally quoted was in fact not a lie but a misunderstanding of the original quote from Newell to wit ...
"Mr Newell, who worked for Microsoft for 13 years on Windows, said his company had embraced the open-source software Linux as a "hedging strategy" designed to offset some of the damage Windows 8 was likely to do.
"We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well," said Mr Newell.
"Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space." "
The above is taken fromt he BBC news article quoting Gabe Newell at the Casual Connect game conference in Seattle.How Valve intends to do this is not the issue.
When you look at the other questions: Why are we looking at wearable computers? Why did we hire Jerry Ellsworth? Why do we have people working on Linux? That’s the second part of the problem. In order for this innovation to happen, a bunch of things that haven’t been happening on closed platforms have to occur and continue to occur. Valve wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the PC. Id Software, Epic, Zynga, Facebook, and Google wouldn’t have existed without the openness of the platform. I think there’s a strong temptation to close the platform. If people look at what they can accomplish when they can limit competitors’ access to their platform, they say, “Wow, that’s really exciting.” Even some of the people who have open platforms, like Microsoft, get really excited by the idea that Netflix has to pay them rent in order to be on the Internet.
That’s not how we got here, and I don’t think that’s a very attractive future. So we’re looking at the platform, and up until now we’ve been a free rider. We’ve been able to benefit from everything that’s gone into the PC and the Internet. Now we have to start finding ways that we can continue to make sure there are open platforms. So that involves a couple of different things.
One, we’re trying to make sure that Linux thrives. Our perception is that one of the big problems holding Linux back is the absence of games. I think that a lot of people — in their thinking about platforms — don’t realize how critical games are as a consumer driver of purchases and usage. So we’re going to continue working with the Linux distribution guys, shipping Steam, shipping our games, and making it as easy as possible for anybody who’s engaged with us — putting their games on Steam and getting those running on Linux, as well. It’s a hedging strategy.
I think that Windows 8 is kind of a catastrophe for everybody in the PC space. I think that we’re going to lose some of the top-tier PC [original equipment manufacturers]. They’ll exit the market. I think margins are going to be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that’s true, it’s going to be a good idea to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality. But when you start thinking about a platform, you have to address it. You have to address mobile. You have to look at what’s going to happen post-tablet. If you look at the mouse and keyboard, it was stable for about 25 years. I think touch will be stable for about 10 years. I think post-touch, and we’ll be stable for a really long time — for another 25 years. I think touch will be this intermediate….
When you look at the other questions: Why are we looking at wearable computers? Why did we hire Jerry Ellsworth? Why do we have people working on Linux? That’s the second part of the problem. In order for this innovation to happen, a bunch of things that haven’t been happening on closed platforms have to occur and continue to occur. Valve wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the PC. Id Software, Epic, Zynga, Facebook, and Google wouldn’t have existed without the openness of the platform. I think there’s a strong temptation to close the platform. If people look at what they can accomplish when they can limit competitors’ access to their platform, they say, “Wow, that’s really exciting.” Even some of the people who have open platforms, like Microsoft, get really excited by the idea that Netflix has to pay them rent in order to be on the Internet.
That’s not how we got here, and I don’t think that’s a very attractive future. So we’re looking at the platform, and up until now we’ve been a free rider. We’ve been able to benefit from everything that’s gone into the PC and the Internet. Now we have to start finding ways that we can continue to make sure there are open platforms. So that involves a couple of different things.
One, we’re trying to make sure that Linux thrives. Our perception is that one of the big problems holding Linux back is the absence of games. I think that a lot of people — in their thinking about platforms — don’t realize how critical games are as a consumer driver of purchases and usage. So we’re going to continue working with the Linux distribution guys, shipping Steam, shipping our games, and making it as easy as possible for anybody who’s engaged with us — putting their games on Steam and getting those running on Linux, as well. It’s a hedging strategy.
I think that Windows 8 is kind of a catastrophe for everybody in the PC space. I think that we’re going to lose some of the top-tier PC [original equipment manufacturers]. They’ll exit the market. I think margins are going to be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that’s true, it’s going to be a good idea to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality. But when you start thinking about a platform, you have to address it. You have to address mobile. You have to look at what’s going to happen post-tablet. If you look at the mouse and keyboard, it was stable for about 25 years. I think touch will be stable for about 10 years. I think post-touch, and we’ll be stable for a really long time — for another 25 years. I think touch will be this intermediate….
Hard to disagree with that, the reason I run Windows is because I am a gamer. Linux is sweet but not something for gamers and using Linux would lower the price of the Steambox.
Think about it...you don't like age-ism as a 40-50 year man, right? You're being age-ist.
Also, "the idiot younger generation" only inherited the world left to them by the older generation. They were educated by the older generation. They have been left with a pretty f--cked up planet, due to no fault of their own. So I don't think we need to blame the younger generation or insult them by calling them idiots.
- Vista was nothing good, nothing new that was improved, but a step back. Ignored it.
- Windows 7 was okay, grown to live with it but still dislike how it take out some options from me (like, option to have a simple explorer window without that shit on the left, or some other stuff).
Also, XP was very compatible with 98 and ME software, while Vista was fucking uncompatible at all, and Windows 7 was not as compatible to previous systems as XP was, but it was at least okay.
Think about it...you don't like age-ism as a 40-50 year man, right? You're being age-ist.
Also, "the idiot younger generation" only inherited the world left to them by the older generation. They were educated by the older generation. They have been left with a pretty f--cked up planet, due to no fault of their own. So I don't think we need to blame the younger generation or insult them by calling them idiots.
By they way, I am a 40-50 year old dude.
People have always called the younger generation lazy and stupid, from the Asyreans to the old greeks to the 17th century to today.
It never really been true, each generation is just a little different and the ones before it always overreact.
All that said, I can´t for my life understand why people would twitter and blog their every private thought all the time, but that does not make someone stupid, just a bit.. weird.
I don´t see much different on me playing my C-64 and a kid playing his IPAD today.
Somehow I think there is a computer software bubble ready to burst. Zynga, Facebook, Windows 8, EA... as if the entire trash is going to crash and burn within the next 2 years...
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
- Windows 7 was okay, grown to live with it but still dislike how it take out some options from me (like, option to have a simple explorer window without that shit on the left, or some other stuff).
Wait, it's Win7's fault you can't click 'Organize', 'Layout' and uncheck 'Navigation pane' ?
Honestly, that looks more like a user problem to me.
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What you forget is that XP was utter crap at launch. After SP2 it became good but before that it was as bug ridden as the temple of Doom.
For some reason that statement made me think of Bill Gates dressed as Mola Ram...
Remember is 2002 when Netscape sued MS for using anti-competetive means? Basically they wanted a stripped down version of windows because they said the inclusion of IE was damaging to Netscape.
I know in the EU they had a couple of judgments against them for stuff like this. I'm just wondering if Mr Newell might try to use the same argument about this Windows Store. I hope so. I love it when anyone sticks it to MS.
From Windows 95 to
Windows 98 to
Windows XP to
Windows 7.......
All the Windows inbetween have never really taken off, ME and Vista.
So going by that, Windows 8 will not be popular on the PC. A lot of people have just moved from Windows XP to Windows 7 so there will not be a lot of takers for Win 8 anyway.
But Win 8 was never intended to replace Windows 7 as a desktop OS for a long time now. Win 8 development changed course long ago to be an OS for the portable internet gadgets market with full support for ARM chips found in a lot of them to compete with Android devices and Apple's iphones and ipads. Why Valve even looked at win 8 as a game development platform for the PC desktop is puzzling.
This is factually false, Win8 does support portable stuff better than Win7 but it is intended as a replacement to Win7.
All this 'crying' of Win8 is moot, when it is released, Win8 will sell millions because it'll come pre-installed by the big OEMs.
No company in their right mind is going to ignore that.
Will Valve ignore it? Hell no, what happens when Joe-six-pack buys a PC from HP, tries Steam and it doesn't work?
Vista had a horrible reception and that piece of dung sold millions as well.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Microsoft takes a cut, up to 30%, of every sale made through this store"
That's a quote from the BBC article and if its true I find it to be very troublesome and greedy of MS, 30% stake as well? quite high I for one will stick with win 7 as long as I can
Wasn't Windows Vista a disaster? It was what... Windows 6?
Is it really that hard to fathom Windows 8 being a "disaster" too?
Not really sure why anyone cares.
The irony of it all is odd. On one hand you have a guy whose company forces his software on the customer in order to purchase games through them and play them. While on the other you have a company who already has a massive market buying their software who has decided it's time to expand its functionality to offer better service. Probably no worse than anything Steam does. How evil of Microsoft.....
That's basically his rant. "Waaaaggghhhh, Microsoft might start to compete with us....."
That quote is very mis-leading.
The 'version of Windows 8' in the article that'll be as restricted like that is the mobile version.
Which makes sense since you buy everything from the provider store on your mobile phone, like Apple store on your Iphone.
Unless Dell decided that putting in the Mobile version of the Windows 8 onto their gaming PC is a good idea (what the christ), that quote is very misleading
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Steam does work perfectly fine on Windows 8. I use Steam and I ran my Steam app and games perfectly fine!
The guy at Valve is just ranting like a little baby, because their app didn't get approved for the Metro environment!
Microsoft is very strict in that (and rightfully so), as Metro apps need to be fully touch capable and also be able to run on ARM devices.
Does Steam support ARM devices and/or deliver games for ARM devices? NO! Case closed.
That whole stupid rant article from that VALVE guy is just hilarious and stupid.
Really really simple. Newell's company is currently #1 in the digital game sales space on Windows. With Windows 8, Microsoft is going to be competing with them. Most companies that have had the experience of Microsoft moving into competition with them haven't particularly enjoyed the experience. Hence, Newell is flinging as much mud at Windows 8 as he can in the hope that some of it sticks.
I think Balmer would look better ressed like that.
But the time I had Win2K server was the only time I never crashed. Never and I turned of my computer 2 times a month.
W7 is actually pretty good but not nearly as stable.
Lolwut? Windows 8? Heck, I am still at XP and I see zilch reason to change that anytime soon.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I'm not trying to argue with you I'm trying to tell you what you originally quoted was in fact not a lie but a misunderstanding of the original quote from Newell to wit ...
"Mr Newell, who worked for Microsoft for 13 years on Windows, said his company had embraced the open-source software Linux as a "hedging strategy" designed to offset some of the damage Windows 8 was likely to do.
"We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well," said Mr Newell.
"Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space." "
The above is taken fromt he BBC news article quoting Gabe Newell at the Casual Connect game conference in Seattle.How Valve intends to do this is not the issue.
wasnt a twitter, that was Rob Pardo
https://twitter.com/Rob_Pardo/status/228235190705729536
source to Newell's interview transcript
Valve’s Gabe Newell discusses the frontiers of gaming, from wearable technology to “tongue controllers”
http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/25/valves-gabe-newell-talks/#bmb=1
When you look at the other questions: Why are we looking at wearable computers? Why did we hire Jerry Ellsworth? Why do we have people working on Linux? That’s the second part of the problem. In order for this innovation to happen, a bunch of things that haven’t been happening on closed platforms have to occur and continue to occur. Valve wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the PC. Id Software, Epic, Zynga, Facebook, and Google wouldn’t have existed without the openness of the platform. I think there’s a strong temptation to close the platform. If people look at what they can accomplish when they can limit competitors’ access to their platform, they say, “Wow, that’s really exciting.” Even some of the people who have open platforms, like Microsoft, get really excited by the idea that Netflix has to pay them rent in order to be on the Internet.
That’s not how we got here, and I don’t think that’s a very attractive future. So we’re looking at the platform, and up until now we’ve been a free rider. We’ve been able to benefit from everything that’s gone into the PC and the Internet. Now we have to start finding ways that we can continue to make sure there are open platforms. So that involves a couple of different things.
One, we’re trying to make sure that Linux thrives. Our perception is that one of the big problems holding Linux back is the absence of games. I think that a lot of people — in their thinking about platforms — don’t realize how critical games are as a consumer driver of purchases and usage. So we’re going to continue working with the Linux distribution guys, shipping Steam, shipping our games, and making it as easy as possible for anybody who’s engaged with us — putting their games on Steam and getting those running on Linux, as well. It’s a hedging strategy.
I think that Windows 8 is kind of a catastrophe for everybody in the PC space. I think that we’re going to lose some of the top-tier PC [original equipment manufacturers]. They’ll exit the market. I think margins are going to be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that’s true, it’s going to be a good idea to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality. But when you start thinking about a platform, you have to address it. You have to address mobile. You have to look at what’s going to happen post-tablet. If you look at the mouse and keyboard, it was stable for about 25 years. I think touch will be stable for about 10 years. I think post-touch, and we’ll be stable for a really long time — for another 25 years. I think touch will be this intermediate….
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Hard to disagree with that, the reason I run Windows is because I am a gamer. Linux is sweet but not something for gamers and using Linux would lower the price of the Steambox.
Think about it...you don't like age-ism as a 40-50 year man, right? You're being age-ist.
Also, "the idiot younger generation" only inherited the world left to them by the older generation. They were educated by the older generation. They have been left with a pretty f--cked up planet, due to no fault of their own. So I don't think we need to blame the younger generation or insult them by calling them idiots.
By they way, I am a 40-50 year old dude.
100% agree.
- XP was good.
- Vista was nothing good, nothing new that was improved, but a step back. Ignored it.
- Windows 7 was okay, grown to live with it but still dislike how it take out some options from me (like, option to have a simple explorer window without that shit on the left, or some other stuff).
Also, XP was very compatible with 98 and ME software, while Vista was fucking uncompatible at all, and Windows 7 was not as compatible to previous systems as XP was, but it was at least okay.
People have always called the younger generation lazy and stupid, from the Asyreans to the old greeks to the 17th century to today.
It never really been true, each generation is just a little different and the ones before it always overreact.
All that said, I can´t for my life understand why people would twitter and blog their every private thought all the time, but that does not make someone stupid, just a bit.. weird.
I don´t see much different on me playing my C-64 and a kid playing his IPAD today.
nice trolling, a gaming plattform on linux.
was a good laugh, thx 4 the link
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Somehow I think there is a computer software bubble ready to burst. Zynga, Facebook, Windows 8, EA... as if the entire trash is going to crash and burn within the next 2 years...
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Wait, it's Win7's fault you can't click 'Organize', 'Layout' and uncheck 'Navigation pane' ?
Honestly, that looks more like a user problem to me.