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Are they fixing the reason people left in the first place?
skamper
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Well cool. They're turning the dial to free to play, but who cares? I think a lot of people are looking past the fact that even though it is going free, they still have not really addressed the reason why people left in the first place. I sincerely believe that if they just addressed the reasons, and invited the early adopters back, they would be much more successful. But instead they are practically keeping the same formula, design and content.
I really have not seen anything like "well patch SWTOR 2.0 Free to Play model is going to have this list of changes". Nothing. It sadly seems like they're just going to extend the life of the game enough to get what money they can before finally turning out the lights.
I hate to bring WoW into this but the reason their numbers declined is because they failed to retain the customers they had, while they focused on bringing new ones in. If SWTOR goes the same route, and does not improve the content, then highly doubt this massive budget project can sustain itself. Sure you will have the curious people, and the kids who can't afford the monthly fee, but the money is in the people who bought the game and decided it was not fun.
We want to like this game again BioWare.
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Umm.. the number 1 reason people left is because of the '$15 sub fee'.
That's a fact and not 'I don't like XYZ so everyone must hate XYZ!' opinion.
So yeah, EA/BW is fixing the number 1 reason people left SWTOR.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I left because Ilum was crap, the stories were not very good, crafting was totally pointless, and really just over all the game was exactly the samething that has been done for years and years.
Unless they totally redesign the entire game I see no reason to ever install it again.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
How do people know that is the number one reason? What about the breakdown of the 60%. Where is the facts?
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
Cause EA/BW said so in their financial call?
Course you could be someone who thinks big corporations lie in their financial call though; in which case, LOL.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
No many of the issues are still in the game. some since the betas. if they had 8 months to fix them, then I don't see them fixing them any time soon. of course, i would love to be proven wrong, but right now in a lab the greed masters are parting out the only funcional parts the game for cash.
Just my opinion of course. I hope I don't offend anyone who still likes the game.
If its always just about the sub, then why didnt it work when AOC or WAR went F2P. Ill tell ya why, because its not about the sub, people left because they werent having fun. And they will come for F2P then leave again just like all the other games that try this.
Not lie, but misrepresent the facts. Numbers from polls are easily manipulated. Pollsters do it all the time. Take multiple factors that when looked at mean the same thing, but only count it seperately. Even crime stats get manipulated.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
EA has you buying into their PR spin hook line and sinker.
Umm.. Dum.. Doh..
No. That's not why I canceled [mod edit]
/shrug
Can't really debate anything if someone doesn't really know how the world actually works.
Its cool man, once you figure that out and re-read what you wrote, you can always ignore it.
Christ, its not as if these things are hidden; google is your friend.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Can you post a link to the stats please? I did a search, granted I only looked 2 pages deep, I found nothing but opinion peices.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
Cause EA/BW said so in their financial call?
Course you could be someone who thinks big corporations lie in their financial call though; in which case, LOL.
they do stretch the truth
to paraphrase, he didn't say 40% left because of the sub price, he said 40% said in the exit poll that they would play all the time if it was free. which is just a laughable stretch. more likely what the 40% was talking about is that this game isn't worth spending money on.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
/facepalm
http://investor.ea.com/
Relevant quote since google doesn't work for you for some odd reason.
The message from players exiting the game is clear -- 40% say they were turned off by the monthly subscription, and many indicate they would come back if we offer a free-to-play model
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Well, you know after a nap and a play session with kitty a fellow feels helpful sometimes.
I have a hard time believing that.
If someone didn't like the sub moddel they would not have bought the game in the first place. it wasn't a secret that the game would cost 15$ a month to continue playing.
No, what is likely going on here is people wrote "This game is not worth a monthly payment".
A standard dismissal of an MMO that means "This game does not have enough content / was not fun enough for me to be able to justify continuing to spend money on this turd."
EA is spinning this to mean "If we remove the sub, they'll come back!"
When people really want the glaring core issues with the game fixed to justify spending money on it's continued existance.
Well, I still see no stats and their comment is very ambigous. Being turned off and quiting due to a sub fee are 2 different factors.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
Exactly. Is this one of those times when you people have a hard time differentiating between "People quit because of the subscription" and "People quit because they didn't feel the game was worth the subscription"? I mean, can you NOT see the difference there?
P2P isn't dead. What's dead is the developer/publisher putting out a game WORTHY of the monthly subscription. Or it certainly seems to be. Whether you pay a monthly subscription after the F2P transition happens or not, SWTOR will still be a craptacular game developed by arrogant "we can't have teams of stunlocking operatives" developers who DON'T EVEN PLAY THEIR OWN GAME.
BioWare: "Hey gang, here's Star Wars:The Old Republic. Enjoy!"
Subscriber: "Hmm. Ok. It's got some good stuff, looks like you left a few things out though"
BW: "Yeah, here's patch 1.1"
Subscriber: "Okay..... that's mostly bug fixes, not real content"
BW: "Well, we weren't quite prepared for you to finish things so fast..."
Subscriber: "So.... what are you going to do for me?"
BW: "Here's patch 1.2, it's full of all sorts of really cool new content, including rated warzones, only not so much on the rated warzones"
Subscriber: "Yeah, it looks like this 'content' is nothing more than a bunch of legacy levels and you completely fu><or'd pvp"
BW: "Well, we've got some REALLY kewl stuff coming in 1.3"
Subscriber: "Like?"
BW: "Well, a LFG for starters and more legacy perks"
Subscriber: "OK, that's kinda kewl. Although, we all kinda thought a LFG tool at release was, kinda, you know, a given. And a LFG tool doesn't help me when there me and 2 other people on fleet. How about you merge some servers"
BW: "Well, we're not going to merge servers, but we WILL allow free transfers to specific servers"
Subscriber: "Um, isn't that the same thing?"
BW: "No, not at all"
Subscriber: "Ok, so that went ok, I guess, but why couldn't you do that sooner? I mean, we've been unable to transfer our characters over to the PTR in an automated manner for months, yet you've put the burden of testing on us.... so.... anyway. Also, what do I get when I level my legacy to 50? A title? A cosmetic set of armor? Anything?"
BW:"....."
Subscriber: "...."
When a kitty purrs it makes the world a special place. For all of two seconds but you know? It still stands.
They haven't announced a new MMO so no they aren't fixing why people left in the first place.
:P
I don´t think so, 5 million people are still paying their 15 bucks a month to play Wow (Western player that is, Asian prices seems to differ a bit).
If TOR would be good enough people would pay those bucks. I think it is a combination of the price and the limited social content.
They also need to add more multiplayer stuff and PvP to the game if they want to get back the players they have lost.
Heh, amusing dialogue that pretty much nails how out of touch Bioware is with the MMO crowd.
The worst part is this change will do NOTHING to help them out in fall unless they decide to drasticly change their plan between now and then.
Want to run Operations? More than 5 Instances or PvP games a day? Better be rocking that sub.
Not to mention you have to BUY the actual box for the game to be able to regester for a sub.
Talk about missing the point of F2P compleatly.