For me to even consider the game it has to offer marginally better PvP. Say what you want about the PvP in WoW, but it is actually some of the best MMO PvP I've experienced.
I want to hear some real responses, so the posters that only praise GW2 all day long need not apply, since I already know they will immediately say "GW2 PvP is superior without a doubt."
Same goes for people that only bash the game.
Pretty much asking this because I don't want to spend the $60 to try the PvP to see that it's lacking/boring/imbalanced/useless etc.
I want to hear from people that have current experience with WoW PvP and have played GW2 excluding the earlier mentioned players.
Also, I know about dodge, which isn't a big selling point for me. Seems like more of "that extra gimmick" new games are known to toss in.
While the other posters have already said that there is plenty of information about GW2 PvP, i have to say you will not like the PvP in GW2.
If you love WoW PvP you will hate GW2 PvP.
How do i come to this realization without knowing you ?
WoW caters to the type of PvP that is purposefully lopsided, there will always be someone in a !v! that will be at an advantage and someone at a disadvantage. WoW PvP is based on gear and 1 upmanship over skill. For that reason you will hate GW2 PvP because the PvP in GW2 is based around equal footing for each player, but unequal footing when it comes to a players (lack of a better word) skill.
So since you claimed to "want" alot of things from us, i give you my decision for you, Stick with WoW its what you want in a PvP game and eventually you will get to play PandaPokemon with my 5 year old neighbor.
This is, fortunately, not true. At the tip top level of either raiding or pvp, the gear difference that soo many people in the Gw2 forums seem to bash is gone. You cant go beyond the set cap and once everyone reaches that cap, you even the playing field. You can't really go on that "nyeh nyeh, wow is all about gear and not about skill, nyeh" when you probably haven't even seen the top of the competitive scene. If you are doing randoms and/or trying to increase your ranking then there is a possibility of being queued to people that have better gear than you, but the system does a pretty decent job of matching you with teams of more or less equal gear.
I can bet you anything, that all the people that cry about wow pvp being all about gear are either REALLY bad, or REALLy lazy. If you are bad, even if you grind forever to get teh gear, once you reach a battle with people that have the same gear as you the skill shows. If you are terribly lazy and dont want to get the gear, then dont cry about getting stomped by other people that do have the gear. Matter of fact is, if its the latter, you won't be able to tell the difference since you will get destroyed in a few short ammount of time. If you want to not hurt your ego by saying that the oponent is better than you only because he has better gear and not because his skills is greater, go ahead. But dont come over here to the forums and post wrong information just to not admitt that you really are a baddie.
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I like large sclae PvP, but from my experience with it, no one listens to anyone else and everyone thinks they are the best armchair general to ever grace whatever they happen to be playing. WvWvW sounds fun to me but I'm still unsure about it. AV is my favorite BG in WoW, but that gets boring after a few hours. Still think it's the best map assuming there's actual PvP going on and not everyone just zergs to the boss for the quick win/loss.
I'm concerned about how the combat feels too. I've heard different things. Like a dude here said it was floaty. That's also one of the things I like about WoW. The control and responsiveness is awesome.
I also like to be rewarded... doesn't necessarily have to be gear, but something other than a buff or what have you would be nice.
If you like wow pvp then you will probably not like the pvp in GW2. I have played WOW for many years and I am much more a pvp player then a pve player. I found that pvp in WOW is one of the most borring aspects of the game and blizzard never listens to what ppl want. Sure like you say AV is fun and I agree with that and the game is fairly balanced even thoo the change it in every patch. But all the new stuff in WOW is the most borring pvp I have ever played.
So in my opinion if you like playing wow pvp insteed of zerging in a chaotic enviorment with 100 of players to controll many many castles in a pvp that will never stop, then you should stick with WOW. There are BGs in GW2 aswell and they are very good and som tournament thingy I have never tryed yet. The controlls aren't floty in GW2 just diffrent and they respond just as well in GW2 as in WOW if they didn't I would never play the game.
Some ppl like chess online, some ppl like counter strike and some ppl need a much bigger scale to fill there needs. Its just a chose hope I will see you on the battlefield in GW2. // Beelze
This is, fortunately, not true. At the tip top level of either raiding or pvp, the gear difference that soo many people in the Gw2 forums seem to bash is gone. You cant go beyond the set cap and once everyone reaches that cap, you even the playing field. You can't really go on that "nyeh nyeh, wow is all about gear and not about skill, nyeh" when you probably haven't even seen the top of the competitive scene. If you are doing randoms and/or trying to increase your ranking then there is a possibility of being queued to people that have better gear than you, but the system does a pretty decent job of matching you with teams of more or less equal gear.
I can bet you anything, that all the people that cry about wow pvp being all about gear are either REALLY bad, or REALLy lazy. If you are bad, even if you grind forever to get teh gear, once you reach a battle with people that have the same gear as you the skill shows. If you are terribly lazy and dont want to get the gear, then dont cry about getting stomped by other people that do have the gear. Matter of fact is, if its the latter, you won't be able to tell the difference since you will get destroyed in a few short ammount of time. If you want to not hurt your ego by saying that the oponent is better than you only because he has better gear and not because his skills is greater, go ahead. But dont come over here to the forums and post wrong information just to not admitt that you really are a baddie.
I suppose such a post was to be expected as soon as some "die hard" WoW fan would spot the thread.
Let me start be telling you that despite being a WoW fan and player since its release in Nov. 2004 (and in beta before), such attitudes still amuse me as much as day one. So people who find that having to grind gear for weeks or even months while being crushed by better geared players until they can finally compete on equal footing are "lazy" and "bad"? Come on, tough guy, even you know that's not true. Because until you reach a certain amount of resilience, that's what you are... Canon fodder. Useless. And that's fun? Yeah, that's possibly fun for those with 4500+ resilience facerolling the 1000- resilience noob. But for the noob, it's definitely not fun.
My druid has close to 5000 resilience and mostly cataclysmic gear, and recently, I had the idea to do some PvP with my shaman for a change. I just gave up and went back to the druid, I just didn't feel like going through the same gear grind again before being able to be more than just a mere bump on the road. What a poor design, discouraging alts.
That's what's GW2 is removing from the equation. No more massive gear advantage for the veteran compared to the noob (or the reroll). You can be competitive in PvP from day one. You don't have to be canon fodder for weeks/months (depending on the amount of time you play). You can bring your alt in PvP and have fun from day one. All you have to do is to free your mind from the "gear grind" model you've been endoctrinated to for 7 years.
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This is, fortunately, not true. At the tip top level of either raiding or pvp, the gear difference that soo many people in the Gw2 forums seem to bash is gone. You cant go beyond the set cap and once everyone reaches that cap, you even the playing field. You can't really go on that "nyeh nyeh, wow is all about gear and not about skill, nyeh" when you probably haven't even seen the top of the competitive scene. If you are doing randoms and/or trying to increase your ranking then there is a possibility of being queued to people that have better gear than you, but the system does a pretty decent job of matching you with teams of more or less equal gear.
I can bet you anything, that all the people that cry about wow pvp being all about gear are either REALLY bad, or REALLy lazy. If you are bad, even if you grind forever to get teh gear, once you reach a battle with people that have the same gear as you the skill shows. If you are terribly lazy and dont want to get the gear, then dont cry about getting stomped by other people that do have the gear. Matter of fact is, if its the latter, you won't be able to tell the difference since you will get destroyed in a few short ammount of time. If you want to not hurt your ego by saying that the oponent is better than you only because he has better gear and not because his skills is greater, go ahead. But dont come over here to the forums and post wrong information just to not admitt that you really are a baddie.
I suppose such a post was to be expected as soon as some "die hard" WoW fan would spot the thread.
Let me start be telling you that despite being a WoW fan and player since its release in Nov. 2004 (and in beta before), such attitudes still amuse me as much as day one. So people who find that having to grind gear for weeks or even months while being crushed by better geared players until they can finally compete on equal footing are "lazy" and "bad"? Come on, tough guy, even you know that's not true. Because until you reach a certain amount of resilience, that's what you are... Canon fodder. Useless. And that's fun? Yeah, that's possibly fun for those with 4500+ resilience facerolling the 1000- resilience noob. But for the noob, it's definitely not fun.
My druid has close to 5000 resilience and mostly cataclysmic gear, and recently, I had the idea to do some PvP with my shaman for a change. I just gave up and went back to the druid, I just didn't feel like going through the same gear grind again before being able to be more than just a mere bump on the road. What a poor design, discouraging alts.
That's what's GW2 is removing from the equation. No more massive gear advantage for the veteran compared to the noob (or the reroll). You can be competitive in PvP from day one. You don't have to be canon fodder for weeks/months (depending on the amount of time you play). You can bring your alt in PvP and have fun from day one. All you have to do is to free your mind from the "gear grind" model you've been endoctrinated to for 7 years.
They're actually attempting a fix for the high res player facerolling the dude in greens with MoP, giving everyone a base resilience. I'm guessing it's not gonna have much of a difference, but I guess it's gonna depend on just how much more PvP stats the PvP gear has on it.
I just made a new shaman alt not too long ago and am in full ruthless gear, haven't even farmed up any cataclysmic gear and I can still put up a pretty good fight and have more kills than deaths in most non pre made BGs.
It's the premade vs pug that really makes people want to nerd rage.
Interesting thread, I haven't been in that neck of the woods in awhile. One thing odd in that thread is a few peeps keep saying GW2 did not have the polish and fluidity of WoW. I haven't played WoW since 3 months past Cataclysm, but for me, GW2 ran just as good and was just as responsive (I believe this was due to the ongoing optimization where High/Low hardware took some hits last stress test and BWE). Another thing I noticed was a couple of posters keep saying WoW does "somethings" better than GW2, but never say what. One thing I will give WoW is it had the best holiday/events I have ever experienced in a MMO. That is one area I hope A-net puts some resources into. Brewfest is a blast.
From having extensively pvp'd as much as possible in both games, I prefer GW2 over WoW due to: better balance on GW2's part, more variety in builds (especially after MoP), balanced battlegrounds in GW2, Performance wise GW2 can handle many more people in a fight than WoW can, more interesting mechanics in GW2 with supply, and the general fact that GW2 is not so heavily gear based. My biggest gripes with WoW pvp have always been the gear disparities that so many players in WoW mistake for skill.
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For me to even consider the game it has to offer marginally better PvP. Say what you want about the PvP in WoW, but it is actually some of the best MMO PvP I've experienced.
I want to hear some real responses, so the posters that only praise GW2 all day long need not apply, since I already know they will immediately say "GW2 PvP is superior without a doubt."
Same goes for people that only bash the game.
Pretty much asking this because I don't want to spend the $60 to try the PvP to see that it's lacking/boring/imbalanced/useless etc.
I want to hear from people that have current experience with WoW PvP and have played GW2 excluding the earlier mentioned players.
Also, I know about dodge, which isn't a big selling point for me. Seems like more of "that extra gimmick" new games are known to toss in.
While the other posters have already said that there is plenty of information about GW2 PvP, i have to say you will not like the PvP in GW2.
If you love WoW PvP you will hate GW2 PvP.
How do i come to this realization without knowing you ?
WoW caters to the type of PvP that is purposefully lopsided, there will always be someone in a !v! that will be at an advantage and someone at a disadvantage. WoW PvP is based on gear and 1 upmanship over skill. For that reason you will hate GW2 PvP because the PvP in GW2 is based around equal footing for each player, but unequal footing when it comes to a players (lack of a better word) skill.
So since you claimed to "want" alot of things from us, i give you my decision for you, Stick with WoW its what you want in a PvP game and eventually you will get to play PandaPokemon with my 5 year old neighbor.
This is, fortunately, not true. At the tip top level of either raiding or pvp, the gear difference that soo many people in the Gw2 forums seem to bash is gone. You cant go beyond the set cap and once everyone reaches that cap, you even the playing field. You can't really go on that "nyeh nyeh, wow is all about gear and not about skill, nyeh" when you probably haven't even seen the top of the competitive scene. If you are doing randoms and/or trying to increase your ranking then there is a possibility of being queued to people that have better gear than you, but the system does a pretty decent job of matching you with teams of more or less equal gear.
I can bet you anything, that all the people that cry about wow pvp being all about gear are either REALLY bad, or REALLy lazy. If you are bad, even if you grind forever to get teh gear, once you reach a battle with people that have the same gear as you the skill shows. If you are terribly lazy and dont want to get the gear, then dont cry about getting stomped by other people that do have the gear. Matter of fact is, if its the latter, you won't be able to tell the difference since you will get destroyed in a few short ammount of time. If you want to not hurt your ego by saying that the oponent is better than you only because he has better gear and not because his skills is greater, go ahead. But dont come over here to the forums and post wrong information just to not admitt that you really are a baddie.
WARNING (the following rant is rated "L" for people who have lives):
Umm it has nothing to do with being lazy or being bad, i have a life and i do not consider spending hours a day, in a game where it feels like a job, to get a piece of gear so i can be competitive in PvP, is actually being lazy.
I call that ludicrous.
Sure you might have tons of extra time to devote to playing WoW 8 hours a day to go on raids, and to PvP in Arenas non-stop, i do not, i have a few hours a day, like say 2 or 3 that i can devote to a game, in those 2 or 3 hours i want to enjoy myself, part of that enjoyment is PvP. In GW2 i can play for my smaller amount of time, and actually have fun, and if i WvW help my server in some form.
WoW made me feel compelled to play the game because my guild needed my tank for raids so we could grind for gear. Not only that, but being constantly "Gear Scored" by random elitists and massive d-bags who felt it there duty to inform everyone who might not have the perfect gear or perfect build, so i was ... as you call it, a "Bad". Last i checked it was my money paying for my subscription not some snot nosed 42 year old sitting in his basement with pictures of naked nightelves on there walls.
Marginalize me all you want, and try to catagorize me into some form of negative light, but its players like me who are sick of the boring, and almost joblike grind the WoW clone games have all but forced us into playing. Its players like me who are leaving WoW for something better. Its players like me who have the money who pay for subs, boxes, and even microtranactions, we keep the games alive, we keep the genre from wilting and becoming stagnant like SWTOR tried.
Guild Wars 2 is not the next coming of Jesus, it is the next phase of how MMOs should be developed. Enough of the selfish ME ME ME attitude that WoW has engendered, i want cooperative play, i want to take pride in accomplisments i made with a community, not just as a single person ( i can get that in Skyrim). I want to be alongside others mining that metal node, not racing to it in hopes i can beat them to the resources, i want to run and help another player who is fighting mob, and not worry about them cursing me out cause i tried to "KillSteal" him.
GW2 is what i remember from my first real MMO love, DAoC, that game really brought a community together, it made me feel more than just another guy waiting in line to kill the spawn, this feeling i get from GW2.
So yes, i told the OP that if he likes WoW PvP so much he should stick with it because he will be disappointed thatr he will not have his advantages over other players. And while the poster that i quoted claims that the gear grind is not really there, he cannot say that to someone who just purchased WoW and that person wants to be competitive in PvP. A year from now in GW2 someone new to the game can have a decent shot at being competitve if they understand there skills.
This is, fortunately, not true. At the tip top level of either raiding or pvp, the gear difference that soo many people in the Gw2 forums seem to bash is gone. You cant go beyond the set cap and once everyone reaches that cap, you even the playing field. You can't really go on that "nyeh nyeh, wow is all about gear and not about skill, nyeh" when you probably haven't even seen the top of the competitive scene. If you are doing randoms and/or trying to increase your ranking then there is a possibility of being queued to people that have better gear than you, but the system does a pretty decent job of matching you with teams of more or less equal gear.
I can bet you anything, that all the people that cry about wow pvp being all about gear are either REALLY bad, or REALLy lazy. If you are bad, even if you grind forever to get teh gear, once you reach a battle with people that have the same gear as you the skill shows. If you are terribly lazy and dont want to get the gear, then dont cry about getting stomped by other people that do have the gear. Matter of fact is, if its the latter, you won't be able to tell the difference since you will get destroyed in a few short ammount of time. If you want to not hurt your ego by saying that the oponent is better than you only because he has better gear and not because his skills is greater, go ahead. But dont come over here to the forums and post wrong information just to not admitt that you really are a baddie.
I suppose such a post was to be expected as soon as some "die hard" WoW fan would spot the thread.
Let me start be telling you that despite being a WoW fan and player since its release in Nov. 2004 (and in beta before), such attitudes still amuse me as much as day one. So people who find that having to grind gear for weeks or even months while being crushed by better geared players until they can finally compete on equal footing are "lazy" and "bad"? Come on, tough guy, even you know that's not true. Because until you reach a certain amount of resilience, that's what you are... Canon fodder. Useless. And that's fun? Yeah, that's possibly fun for those with 4500+ resilience facerolling the 1000- resilience noob. But for the noob, it's definitely not fun.
My druid has close to 5000 resilience and mostly cataclysmic gear, and recently, I had the idea to do some PvP with my shaman for a change. I just gave up and went back to the druid, I just didn't feel like going through the same gear grind again before being able to be more than just a mere bump on the road. What a poor design, discouraging alts.
That's what's GW2 is removing from the equation. No more massive gear advantage for the veteran compared to the noob (or the reroll). You can be competitive in PvP from day one. You don't have to be canon fodder for weeks/months (depending on the amount of time you play). You can bring your alt in PvP and have fun from day one. All you have to do is to free your mind from the "gear grind" model you've been endoctrinated to for 7 years.
But some people like the gear system, GW2 is not better just different.
I never really got a chance to play PvP (WvWvW) in beta cus it was just too damn laggy when more than 20 players are fighting and there's partical effects all over the shop - its hard to see what is happeing and worst of all your FPS tank right down. Think when wintergrasp when it first opened - it was like that.
This is just my experience ofc others might vary, but Anet need to go a long way to improve the performance of the game else people just wont bother with WvWvW.
As to the PvP when performance is good I still prefer WoW's mostly because of characters controls, GW2 as with GW1 characters feel floaty, responsive but floaty.
Upgrade your system, or lower your graphical settings.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
But WvWvW Gear does make a huge difference you go from normal gear to MC gear at 25 or even 35 your health goes way up so does DPS.
Ranger Health at 15.8k from level 1 soon as you get level 25 MC gear health goes to 19.6k 35MC gear even more 20k health was my total at 37 only had 1 MC gear item for 35 bracket.
DPS 398 I think from level 1-10 I know this last test I got to 37 it was in the 946's I was at 25MC not sure what the 35MC gave but it was more 989 I think I know it was close to 1k.
My Traits was spacced towards DPS too not health which is why my DPS was going up more than my health.
This is, fortunately, not true. At the tip top level of either raiding or pvp, the gear difference that soo many people in the Gw2 forums seem to bash is gone. You cant go beyond the set cap and once everyone reaches that cap, you even the playing field. You can't really go on that "nyeh nyeh, wow is all about gear and not about skill, nyeh" when you probably haven't even seen the top of the competitive scene. If you are doing randoms and/or trying to increase your ranking then there is a possibility of being queued to people that have better gear than you, but the system does a pretty decent job of matching you with teams of more or less equal gear.
I can bet you anything, that all the people that cry about wow pvp being all about gear are either REALLY bad, or REALLy lazy. If you are bad, even if you grind forever to get teh gear, once you reach a battle with people that have the same gear as you the skill shows. If you are terribly lazy and dont want to get the gear, then dont cry about getting stomped by other people that do have the gear. Matter of fact is, if its the latter, you won't be able to tell the difference since you will get destroyed in a few short ammount of time. If you want to not hurt your ego by saying that the oponent is better than you only because he has better gear and not because his skills is greater, go ahead. But dont come over here to the forums and post wrong information just to not admitt that you really are a baddie.
I suppose such a post was to be expected as soon as some "die hard" WoW fan would spot the thread.
Let me start be telling you that despite being a WoW fan and player since its release in Nov. 2004 (and in beta before), such attitudes still amuse me as much as day one. So people who find that having to grind gear for weeks or even months while being crushed by better geared players until they can finally compete on equal footing are "lazy" and "bad"? Come on, tough guy, even you know that's not true. Because until you reach a certain amount of resilience, that's what you are... Canon fodder. Useless. And that's fun? Yeah, that's possibly fun for those with 4500+ resilience facerolling the 1000- resilience noob. But for the noob, it's definitely not fun.
My druid has close to 5000 resilience and mostly cataclysmic gear, and recently, I had the idea to do some PvP with my shaman for a change. I just gave up and went back to the druid, I just didn't feel like going through the same gear grind again before being able to be more than just a mere bump on the road. What a poor design, discouraging alts.
That's what's GW2 is removing from the equation. No more massive gear advantage for the veteran compared to the noob (or the reroll). You can be competitive in PvP from day one. You don't have to be canon fodder for weeks/months (depending on the amount of time you play). You can bring your alt in PvP and have fun from day one. All you have to do is to free your mind from the "gear grind" model you've been endoctrinated to for 7 years.
But some people like the gear system, GW2 is not better just different.
This. It caters to a different style of player....mainly casuals. Some people will like the game and some people won't. I don't understand the mentality where people feel like they have to make people like the game they are playing and anyone who feels differently is wrong. Is it that you are insecure about your decision to like the game and need to be reinforced in your beliefs that it is a good game? My wife is a hardcore raider from a top competitive raidning guild in WoW. I highly doubt that she is going to have anything more than a passing interest in GW2. I don't try to force her to play it because I know she won't like it. I also don't understand the mentality of people who say their game is the way all games should be developed. Just like your game was "innovative", maybe their game will be. If it isn't, does it really matter that much too you? More games provide more choices.
They're actually attempting a fix for the high res player facerolling the dude in greens with MoP, giving everyone a base resilience. I'm guessing it's not gonna have much of a difference, but I guess it's gonna depend on just how much more PvP stats the PvP gear has on it.
I just made a new shaman alt not too long ago and am in full ruthless gear, haven't even farmed up any cataclysmic gear and I can still put up a pretty good fight and have more kills than deaths in most non pre made BGs.
It's the premade vs pug that really makes people want to nerd rage.
I hate farming. I hate farming even more when it becomes a necessity rather than a choice.
In GW2 I will never EVER have to experience this 'farming upto current gear' because it simply doesn't exist. This is the point that sells GW2 pvp to me.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
I never really got a chance to play PvP (WvWvW) in beta cus it was just too damn laggy when more than 20 players are fighting and there's partical effects all over the shop - its hard to see what is happeing and worst of all your FPS tank right down. Think when wintergrasp when it first opened - it was like that.
This is just my experience ofc others might vary, but Anet need to go a long way to improve the performance of the game else people just wont bother with WvWvW.
As to the PvP when performance is good I still prefer WoW's mostly because of characters controls, GW2 as with GW1 characters feel floaty, responsive but floaty.
Upgrade your system, or lower your graphical settings.
I run an i5 3570 3.4Ghz, 8GB of DDR3 ram and a HD6870 , I get 60FPS out and about at 1080p but come PvP it plumits. My system is fine ANet just need to work on their engine, cus it's not the best and clearly there are issues with it as people with higher spec systems have even worse performance.
It's got better during the beta but it's not a great engine..... performance wise.
Originally posted by expresso some people like the gear system
agree
GW2 will likely not appeal to gamers that like to "gear up"
Yeah some people need an advantage because on equal ground they are bad. It's not like raiding where u need better gear to progress. But to each their own.
They're actually attempting a fix for the high res player facerolling the dude in greens with MoP, giving everyone a base resilience. I'm guessing it's not gonna have much of a difference, but I guess it's gonna depend on just how much more PvP stats the PvP gear has on it.
I just made a new shaman alt not too long ago and am in full ruthless gear, haven't even farmed up any cataclysmic gear and I can still put up a pretty good fight and have more kills than deaths in most non pre made BGs.
It's the premade vs pug that really makes people want to nerd rage.
I hate farming. I hate farming even more when it becomes a necessity rather than a choice.
In GW2 I will never EVER have to experience this 'farming upto current gear' because it simply doesn't exist. This is the point that sells GW2 pvp to me.
Depends on what you like doing... I like being rewarded for playing games. Rewards are a core of RPGs. Looking bad ass is nice and all, but looking bad ass and stomping asses is even better.
Really, it's not hard to get honor gear in WoW, and you can compete with it. The conquest gear is pretty much just there for a more long term goal. Which is also good, otherwise the game gets stale.
GW2 seems more like an FPS to me in that you just fight without really worrying about gear. Not talking about the gameplay, just the "have it your way" part.
Thinking I won't play the game until I can play a free trial.
Take it from someone who has had rank 1 arena titles in WoW and spent the entire of WoW Vanilla pvp'ing out in the open world.
GW2 PvP, both structured and WvW, is light years ahead of anything WoW will ever do. WoW pvp is balanced? Don't make me laugh.. go tell that to all the druids that played Arena in TBC, or Paladin and Deathknights in WotLK. WoW PvP has terrible balance and is subjected to FotM builds that change with every single major patch. One patch your character is godly in Arena when teamed up a certain way then the next patch it's complete bottom feeding.
I don't understand why most people think WoW is something it isn't. People seem to be under this impression that it does all sorts of stuff it doesn't and that Blizzard manage it very well. It's almost like how everyone kindly forgets what an amazing mess WoW was at launch with absolutely crazy bugs making it into release like Orc Rogues getting 3 combo points every time they used Hemo /facepalm
I never really got a chance to play PvP (WvWvW) in beta cus it was just too damn laggy when more than 20 players are fighting and there's partical effects all over the shop - its hard to see what is happeing and worst of all your FPS tank right down. Think when wintergrasp when it first opened - it was like that.
This is just my experience ofc others might vary, but Anet need to go a long way to improve the performance of the game else people just wont bother with WvWvW.
As to the PvP when performance is good I still prefer WoW's mostly because of characters controls, GW2 as with GW1 characters feel floaty, responsive but floaty.
Upgrade your system, or lower your graphical settings.
I run an i5 3570 3.4Ghz, 8GB of DDR3 ram and a HD6870 , I get 60FPS out and about at 1080p but come PvP it plumits. My system is fine ANet just need to work on their engine, cus it's not the best and clearly there are issues with it as people with higher spec systems have even worse performance.
It's got better during the beta but it's not a great engine..... performance wise.
This could also be a problem for me too, I don't have a beast system. It's not a PoS. It's about middle of the road between GW2 min specs and recommended. Yours is a fair bit better than mine though.
They're actually attempting a fix for the high res player facerolling the dude in greens with MoP, giving everyone a base resilience. I'm guessing it's not gonna have much of a difference, but I guess it's gonna depend on just how much more PvP stats the PvP gear has on it.
I just made a new shaman alt not too long ago and am in full ruthless gear, haven't even farmed up any cataclysmic gear and I can still put up a pretty good fight and have more kills than deaths in most non pre made BGs.
It's the premade vs pug that really makes people want to nerd rage.
I hate farming. I hate farming even more when it becomes a necessity rather than a choice.
In GW2 I will never EVER have to experience this 'farming upto current gear' because it simply doesn't exist. This is the point that sells GW2 pvp to me.
Depends on what you like doing... I like being rewarded for playing games. Rewards are a core of RPGs. Looking bad ass is nice and all, but looking bad ass and stomping asses is even better.
Really, it's not hard to get honor gear in WoW, and you can compete with it. The conquest gear is pretty much just there for a more long term goal. Which is also good, otherwise the game gets stale.
GW2 seems more like an FPS to me in that you just fight without really worrying about gear. Not talking about the gameplay, just the "have it your way" part.
Thinking I won't play the game until I can play a free trial.
I think comparing it to an FPS is a good analogy. If you are still on the fence then yea. Trial XD
You still get glory - special pvp lvl and currency. There ARE rewards for gw2 pvp. Just no stat rewards.
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But some people like the gear system, GW2 is not better just different.
This. It caters to a different style of player....mainly casuals.
This is something I don't get. Wanting a fair fight isn't casual. If I beat someone because of my gear, it doesn't feel rewarding. It's like killing low-level mobs with a high-level character. If you've got high-end PvP gear and kill someone with low-end gear, you're just a guy who has played more, not a real winner.
The PvP in WoW is the perfect example for everything that can go wrong in an MMO. The only good thing I can say about it is, that other companies have a great list of "dont's" thanks to Blizzard.
honor-system
resilence
item-grind
long waiting cues
low-level PvP-alts
no plans for large scale pvp
imbalanced skills, that make invulnerable or CC
conflict between PvP and PvE
too powerful healing
a system that motivates players to just stand passively around
a system that does not motivate players to fight together
fair competition only in 5% of all fights
imbalance between classes
the opportunity to "one-shot" other players, too much "owning"
wrong order of importance: level > items > class > Skill
Constantly changing of the whole system without any idea how to improve things
I had great fun in vanilla, when I was between level 20-50. It was always great to provoke other players to put on PvP while questing. Sometimes it began just with me and one opponent and ended in a big battle in Arathi or near TM. Doing BGs together with friends was cool, too. Before they were infested by PvP-alts. Although sometimes we could still win, because those overgeard lvl 29ers were busy hunting clueless lvl 20es just to oneshot as many as possible, while we safely carried all the flags home. Arenas were too much about the best class-setup and items. And really boring too. I mean, 1 out of 10 was a good fight. 6 were against complete noobs or "empty" arenas and 3 against highrankend top-teams that were impossible to defeat.
The PvP in GW2 will really kick ass. I predict that there will be a lot of players, that do not like PvE in GW2 very much, but will just buy and play it for the PvP.
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This is, fortunately, not true. At the tip top level of either raiding or pvp, the gear difference that soo many people in the Gw2 forums seem to bash is gone. You cant go beyond the set cap and once everyone reaches that cap, you even the playing field. You can't really go on that "nyeh nyeh, wow is all about gear and not about skill, nyeh" when you probably haven't even seen the top of the competitive scene. If you are doing randoms and/or trying to increase your ranking then there is a possibility of being queued to people that have better gear than you, but the system does a pretty decent job of matching you with teams of more or less equal gear.
I can bet you anything, that all the people that cry about wow pvp being all about gear are either REALLY bad, or REALLy lazy. If you are bad, even if you grind forever to get teh gear, once you reach a battle with people that have the same gear as you the skill shows. If you are terribly lazy and dont want to get the gear, then dont cry about getting stomped by other people that do have the gear. Matter of fact is, if its the latter, you won't be able to tell the difference since you will get destroyed in a few short ammount of time. If you want to not hurt your ego by saying that the oponent is better than you only because he has better gear and not because his skills is greater, go ahead. But dont come over here to the forums and post wrong information just to not admitt that you really are a baddie.
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If you like wow pvp then you will probably not like the pvp in GW2. I have played WOW for many years and I am much more a pvp player then a pve player. I found that pvp in WOW is one of the most borring aspects of the game and blizzard never listens to what ppl want. Sure like you say AV is fun and I agree with that and the game is fairly balanced even thoo the change it in every patch. But all the new stuff in WOW is the most borring pvp I have ever played.
So in my opinion if you like playing wow pvp insteed of zerging in a chaotic enviorment with 100 of players to controll many many castles in a pvp that will never stop, then you should stick with WOW. There are BGs in GW2 aswell and they are very good and som tournament thingy I have never tryed yet. The controlls aren't floty in GW2 just diffrent and they respond just as well in GW2 as in WOW if they didn't I would never play the game.
Some ppl like chess online, some ppl like counter strike and some ppl need a much bigger scale to fill there needs. Its just a chose hope I will see you on the battlefield in GW2. // Beelze
I suppose such a post was to be expected as soon as some "die hard" WoW fan would spot the thread.
Let me start be telling you that despite being a WoW fan and player since its release in Nov. 2004 (and in beta before), such attitudes still amuse me as much as day one. So people who find that having to grind gear for weeks or even months while being crushed by better geared players until they can finally compete on equal footing are "lazy" and "bad"? Come on, tough guy, even you know that's not true. Because until you reach a certain amount of resilience, that's what you are... Canon fodder. Useless. And that's fun? Yeah, that's possibly fun for those with 4500+ resilience facerolling the 1000- resilience noob. But for the noob, it's definitely not fun.
My druid has close to 5000 resilience and mostly cataclysmic gear, and recently, I had the idea to do some PvP with my shaman for a change. I just gave up and went back to the druid, I just didn't feel like going through the same gear grind again before being able to be more than just a mere bump on the road. What a poor design, discouraging alts.
That's what's GW2 is removing from the equation. No more massive gear advantage for the veteran compared to the noob (or the reroll). You can be competitive in PvP from day one. You don't have to be canon fodder for weeks/months (depending on the amount of time you play). You can bring your alt in PvP and have fun from day one. All you have to do is to free your mind from the "gear grind" model you've been endoctrinated to for 7 years.
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They're actually attempting a fix for the high res player facerolling the dude in greens with MoP, giving everyone a base resilience. I'm guessing it's not gonna have much of a difference, but I guess it's gonna depend on just how much more PvP stats the PvP gear has on it.
I just made a new shaman alt not too long ago and am in full ruthless gear, haven't even farmed up any cataclysmic gear and I can still put up a pretty good fight and have more kills than deaths in most non pre made BGs.
It's the premade vs pug that really makes people want to nerd rage.
Interesting thread, I haven't been in that neck of the woods in awhile. One thing odd in that thread is a few peeps keep saying GW2 did not have the polish and fluidity of WoW. I haven't played WoW since 3 months past Cataclysm, but for me, GW2 ran just as good and was just as responsive (I believe this was due to the ongoing optimization where High/Low hardware took some hits last stress test and BWE). Another thing I noticed was a couple of posters keep saying WoW does "somethings" better than GW2, but never say what. One thing I will give WoW is it had the best holiday/events I have ever experienced in a MMO. That is one area I hope A-net puts some resources into. Brewfest is a blast.
From having extensively pvp'd as much as possible in both games, I prefer GW2 over WoW due to: better balance on GW2's part, more variety in builds (especially after MoP), balanced battlegrounds in GW2, Performance wise GW2 can handle many more people in a fight than WoW can, more interesting mechanics in GW2 with supply, and the general fact that GW2 is not so heavily gear based. My biggest gripes with WoW pvp have always been the gear disparities that so many players in WoW mistake for skill.
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WARNING (the following rant is rated "L" for people who have lives):
Umm it has nothing to do with being lazy or being bad, i have a life and i do not consider spending hours a day, in a game where it feels like a job, to get a piece of gear so i can be competitive in PvP, is actually being lazy.
I call that ludicrous.
Sure you might have tons of extra time to devote to playing WoW 8 hours a day to go on raids, and to PvP in Arenas non-stop, i do not, i have a few hours a day, like say 2 or 3 that i can devote to a game, in those 2 or 3 hours i want to enjoy myself, part of that enjoyment is PvP. In GW2 i can play for my smaller amount of time, and actually have fun, and if i WvW help my server in some form.
WoW made me feel compelled to play the game because my guild needed my tank for raids so we could grind for gear. Not only that, but being constantly "Gear Scored" by random elitists and massive d-bags who felt it there duty to inform everyone who might not have the perfect gear or perfect build, so i was ... as you call it, a "Bad". Last i checked it was my money paying for my subscription not some snot nosed 42 year old sitting in his basement with pictures of naked nightelves on there walls.
Marginalize me all you want, and try to catagorize me into some form of negative light, but its players like me who are sick of the boring, and almost joblike grind the WoW clone games have all but forced us into playing. Its players like me who are leaving WoW for something better. Its players like me who have the money who pay for subs, boxes, and even microtranactions, we keep the games alive, we keep the genre from wilting and becoming stagnant like SWTOR tried.
Guild Wars 2 is not the next coming of Jesus, it is the next phase of how MMOs should be developed. Enough of the selfish ME ME ME attitude that WoW has engendered, i want cooperative play, i want to take pride in accomplisments i made with a community, not just as a single person ( i can get that in Skyrim). I want to be alongside others mining that metal node, not racing to it in hopes i can beat them to the resources, i want to run and help another player who is fighting mob, and not worry about them cursing me out cause i tried to "KillSteal" him.
GW2 is what i remember from my first real MMO love, DAoC, that game really brought a community together, it made me feel more than just another guy waiting in line to kill the spawn, this feeling i get from GW2.
So yes, i told the OP that if he likes WoW PvP so much he should stick with it because he will be disappointed thatr he will not have his advantages over other players. And while the poster that i quoted claims that the gear grind is not really there, he cannot say that to someone who just purchased WoW and that person wants to be competitive in PvP. A year from now in GW2 someone new to the game can have a decent shot at being competitve if they understand there skills.
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But some people like the gear system, GW2 is not better just different.
Upgrade your system, or lower your graphical settings.
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But WvWvW Gear does make a huge difference you go from normal gear to MC gear at 25 or even 35 your health goes way up so does DPS.
Ranger Health at 15.8k from level 1 soon as you get level 25 MC gear health goes to 19.6k 35MC gear even more 20k health was my total at 37 only had 1 MC gear item for 35 bracket.
DPS 398 I think from level 1-10 I know this last test I got to 37 it was in the 946's I was at 25MC not sure what the 35MC gave but it was more 989 I think I know it was close to 1k.
My Traits was spacced towards DPS too not health which is why my DPS was going up more than my health.
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This. It caters to a different style of player....mainly casuals. Some people will like the game and some people won't. I don't understand the mentality where people feel like they have to make people like the game they are playing and anyone who feels differently is wrong. Is it that you are insecure about your decision to like the game and need to be reinforced in your beliefs that it is a good game? My wife is a hardcore raider from a top competitive raidning guild in WoW. I highly doubt that she is going to have anything more than a passing interest in GW2. I don't try to force her to play it because I know she won't like it. I also don't understand the mentality of people who say their game is the way all games should be developed. Just like your game was "innovative", maybe their game will be. If it isn't, does it really matter that much too you? More games provide more choices.
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GW2 will likely not appeal to gamers that like to "gear up"
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I hate farming. I hate farming even more when it becomes a necessity rather than a choice.
In GW2 I will never EVER have to experience this 'farming upto current gear' because it simply doesn't exist. This is the point that sells GW2 pvp to me.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
In GW2 everyone is on equal ground.. Player skill matters more
I run an i5 3570 3.4Ghz, 8GB of DDR3 ram and a HD6870 , I get 60FPS out and about at 1080p but come PvP it plumits. My system is fine ANet just need to work on their engine, cus it's not the best and clearly there are issues with it as people with higher spec systems have even worse performance.
It's got better during the beta but it's not a great engine..... performance wise.
For sPvP yes for WvW not so much.
agree
GW2 will likely not appeal to gamers that like to "gear up"
Yeah some people need an advantage because on equal ground they are bad. It's not like raiding where u need better gear to progress. But to each their own.Depends on what you like doing... I like being rewarded for playing games. Rewards are a core of RPGs. Looking bad ass is nice and all, but looking bad ass and stomping asses is even better.
Really, it's not hard to get honor gear in WoW, and you can compete with it. The conquest gear is pretty much just there for a more long term goal. Which is also good, otherwise the game gets stale.
GW2 seems more like an FPS to me in that you just fight without really worrying about gear. Not talking about the gameplay, just the "have it your way" part.
Thinking I won't play the game until I can play a free trial.
Take it from someone who has had rank 1 arena titles in WoW and spent the entire of WoW Vanilla pvp'ing out in the open world.
GW2 PvP, both structured and WvW, is light years ahead of anything WoW will ever do. WoW pvp is balanced? Don't make me laugh.. go tell that to all the druids that played Arena in TBC, or Paladin and Deathknights in WotLK. WoW PvP has terrible balance and is subjected to FotM builds that change with every single major patch. One patch your character is godly in Arena when teamed up a certain way then the next patch it's complete bottom feeding.
I don't understand why most people think WoW is something it isn't. People seem to be under this impression that it does all sorts of stuff it doesn't and that Blizzard manage it very well. It's almost like how everyone kindly forgets what an amazing mess WoW was at launch with absolutely crazy bugs making it into release like Orc Rogues getting 3 combo points every time they used Hemo /facepalm
This could also be a problem for me too, I don't have a beast system. It's not a PoS. It's about middle of the road between GW2 min specs and recommended. Yours is a fair bit better than mine though.
I think comparing it to an FPS is a good analogy. If you are still on the fence then yea. Trial XD
You still get glory - special pvp lvl and currency. There ARE rewards for gw2 pvp. Just no stat rewards.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
If you were that interested in GW2 you would watch the hundreds of PvP vids on youtube and make your own decision.
i'd take a look at his pvp videos, they show some good fights
http://www.youtube.com/user/taugrimtaugrim/videos?view=0
also his are fun
http://www.youtube.com/user/GW2FU/videos?view=0
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This is something I don't get. Wanting a fair fight isn't casual. If I beat someone because of my gear, it doesn't feel rewarding. It's like killing low-level mobs with a high-level character. If you've got high-end PvP gear and kill someone with low-end gear, you're just a guy who has played more, not a real winner.
The PvP in WoW is the perfect example for everything that can go wrong in an MMO. The only good thing I can say about it is, that other companies have a great list of "dont's" thanks to Blizzard.
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