lol , nobody cares if your not buying a PS3 to play Dust514 , at the end of the day if CCP are making a profit then good for them , I've always supported CCP's mindset on creating games , they go one direction and doesn't try to accomodate everyone and failing at the end. Like EVE-Online , it's meant for a niche of players , good job CCP and keep doing what you do best! I'll be returning to EVE pretty soon once I'm done with some important businesses.
they would have probably stood more chance if they 'd put it on the Wii
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[mod edit] just to put it in perspective, in terms of sales, the PC of course tends to have just a fraction of the console numbers, but then a lot of games these days are either console specific, or console restricted, no PC release - or the PC version just isnt up to it, god knows we've seen enough dodgy console ports already. but in terms of sales at least, Wii outsells all the other consoles, this was a joke that basically said, if it was made for the Wii they would have had server overload, the Wii after all is cheap, ridiculously so, the PS3 not so cheap, the Xbox is probably more affordable, and thats probably why when it comes to sales, PS3 versions of a game generally come in around 40-50 percent, in terms of numbers, of those sold on the Xbox, and no.. i don't have an Xbox and you could sell them for £50 each and i still wouldnt buy one, same with the PS3. That makes me a PC Gamer. you obviously think that PC Gamers are lame, your opinion, no less valid than my own, but obviously.. very different.
in terms of sales at least, Wii outsells all the other consoles, this was a joke that basically said, if it was made for the Wii they would have had server overload, the Wii after all is cheap, ridiculously so, the PS3 not so cheap, the Xbox is probably more affordable
i think XBOX and PS3 pricing are comparable
unlike PS3, XBOX requires additional yearly fees to use the internet
Im so glad to have a PS3, this game looks freaking amazing.
Vita app? oh my god! and M&K support!
But this game should be also on PC, PC+PS3, yeah, i get it, they are trying to appeal to a different audience, but launching it on another platform is never a bad thing.... more players.
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy" -Seinfeld
If you took out all the whinning about ps3 this would only be a 1 page topic. Since the same users use that to complain every single time this would be the correct definition of trolling mmorpg.com
in terms of sales at least, Wii outsells all the other consoles, this was a joke that basically said, if it was made for the Wii they would have had server overload, the Wii after all is cheap, ridiculously so, the PS3 not so cheap, the Xbox is probably more affordable
i think XBOX and PS3 pricing are comparable
unlike PS3, XBOX requires additional yearly fees to use the internet
i could never understand how microsoft could charge people to use an internet connection, when microsoft isnt actually providing that internet connection in the first place.. on that basis alone im surprised there arent more PS3 owners than XBOX owners
wouldnt put it past them to try and do something similar with Windows 8... really really hope that Valve/Steam can do something about supporting Linux more, its getting that M$ is giving PC gaming a bad rep (or a worse one!).... if it wasnt for MMO's i wouldnt have a windows PC at all.
EvE IS their playerbase. It's the game that financed DUST 514. Unless he or she already owns a PS3, an EvE player will not be able to play the game. That's CCP taking a shit *AGAIN* on their existing fanbase, plain and simple.
Fixed that for you. Been 14 or so months now since monocle gate, and that means CCP lost (2 accts * 17 bucks a month) * 14 months bucks from me alone. $476 bucks. Not $20 million to be sure, but not insignificant either. They sure tried their darnedest to get me back too, lost count of the number of emails saying "we've changed, really!". Guess they haven't.
Originally posted by Weretigar If you took out all the whinning about ps3 this would only be a 1 page topic. Since the same users use that to complain every single time this would be the correct definition of trolling mmorpg.com
It is though a very good question why CCP games weren't able to develop a PC version of Dust to release alongside the PS3 game. Given that their EVE player base might prefer a PC client for an online FPS this would seem to be a major oversight in the Dust project. For 20 million new investor bucks I'd have thought a PC port possible?
It is though a very good question why CCP games weren't able to develop a PC version of Dust to release alongside the PS3 game. Given that their EVE player base might prefer a PC client for an online FPS this would seem to be a major oversight in the Dust project. For 20 million new investor bucks I'd have thought a PC port possible?
While many EVE Online players aren't thrilled with DUST 514's PlayStation 3 exclusivity, there may be hope for a PC release yet. And while the devs weren't ready to make any official statements on the spot, a bit of wink-nudging indicates that a PC release may still be in the cards. As the devs note, mouse and keyboard controls are already supported in the PS3 version of the title. "I wonder why we did that," Hilmar joked during the interview.
EvE IS their playerbase. It's the game that financed DUST 514. Unless he or she already owns a PS3, an EvE player will not be able to play the game. That's CCP taking a shit *AGAIN* on their existing fanbase, plain and simple.
Fixed that for you. Been 14 or so months now since monocle gate, and that means CCP lost (2 accts * 17 bucks a month) * 14 months bucks from me alone. $476 bucks. Not $20 million to be sure, but not insignificant either. They sure tried their darnedest to get me back too, lost count of the number of emails saying "we've changed, really!". Guess they haven't.
Oh, noes, CCP is making a game not aimed at you? How dare they! How do you think ANY game company fund a new game? Surely not by using the money they earned on other succesfull games? I mean, that would be unheard of...
OMFG people they haven't said they'd never port dust to PC. They've always specifically dodged that question and said it is ps3 only for now. Has no-one clued into the fact that this may have been part of the deal they had to make with sony to prevent the title from competing with planetside 2 launch. PS3 for now until Planetside 2 gets off the ground and then port it later and allow cross-platform play. It also makes sense of why they are including M+KB support in the ps3 version as well.
TechCrunch is reporting that CCP has secured $20 million in new funding. According to reports from CCP, the new money will be used in part to promote DUST 514 as it nears launch.
20 Million on advertising, now we know these games cost to much to make. That seems insane to me. I think you could probably add a lot of content/features/polish for that type of money. This industry is broken beyond repair.
This +1
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Originally posted by Minsc OMFG people they haven't said they'd never port dust to PC. They've always specifically dodged that question and said it is ps3 only for now. Has no-one clued into the fact that this may have been part of the deal they had to make with sony to prevent the title from competing with planetside 2 launch. PS3 for now until Planetside 2 gets off the ground and then port it later and allow cross-platform play. It also makes sense of why they are including M+KB support in the ps3 version as well.
Nobody is writing that it isn't possible to port Dust to PC in the future. The big question is why CCP games haven't done this now given that it seems so logical for them given they have several hundred K subs playing EVE on PC.
That I could understand working, would probably be fun for EVE players as FPS combat is very different from point and click combat. It would expand the gaming experience and the two games are tied together.
PS3 only seems very risky, especially as you have to pay for the game by a PSN cash shop. There are a lot of big PS3 ghames scheduled for launch in 2012, and many are cross platform, so it's hard to see how Dust can emerge as a major contender.
PS3 only seems very risky, especially as you have to pay for the game by a PSN cash shop. There are a lot of big PS3 ghames scheduled for launch in 2012, and many are cross platform, so it's hard to see how Dust can emerge as a major contender.
Dust 514 is being marketed as a free to play game on the PS3
- not sure why you think players are required to pay PSN
internet access is free on both PS3 and Wii
XBOX Live is the only console that charges for that service w annual fees
CCP want in the console market, but they couldn't afford to do it completely on their own, so they signed an exclusivity agreement with sony. They probably tried xbox and got turned down.
Now spending 20 mil on promotion? Should be spending it on game development, because I don't see this title going anywhere.
As much as people praise CCP for EVE, I think most of it is unwarranted, and things are simply not the same anymore. Hope their vampire mmo turns out good though.
PS3 only seems very risky, especially as you have to pay for the game by a PSN cash shop. There are a lot of big PS3 ghames scheduled for launch in 2012, and many are cross platform, so it's hard to see how Dust can emerge as a major contender.
Dust 514 is being marketed as a free to play game on the PS3
- not sure why you think players are required to pay PSN
internet access is free on both PS3 and Wii
XBOX Live is the only console that charges for that service w annual fees
I mean CCP have to pay for the game, and presumably profit, by the cash shop. If not they will take a big loss, I'd have thought.
I really wish I could give a shit, but I think anyone in their right mind can guess what's going to happen to a PC franchise when its pushed amongst another audience which doesn't even know it exists. They need to release multiplatform on launch day if they want this to be succesful.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
I mean CCP have to pay for the game, and presumably profit, by the cash shop. If not they will take a big loss, I'd have thought.
sorry for the misunderstanding
I agree - I'm not sure how the business will work out, especially with Planetside2 around the corner
I'd have to agree Planetside 2 got a lot of plaudits at E3, and I'd have thought would eat Dust for breakfast as they are both in beta now. Planetside 2 is also PC-based.
People apparently still not understand the reason why CCP is going PS3 with Dust514. They wanted to go with the Xbox, but Microsoft didn't allow for cross-platform communications with the EvE server.
Dust514 will have effects on EvE Online. They might not be as big an influence, but still they influence EvE.
CCP wanted to have a platform for Dust514 that makes it near impossible to cheat and give every player the same hardware to level the playingground. And don't start screaming about controllers.... Dust514 will support USB-keyboard and mouse out of the box on the PS3.
It's very simple, and imho a good move into the right direction. I'd play way more shooters if they would release shooters for the PS3/Xbox with native USB-keyboard and mouse. But I'll never play shooters on the PC as people will cheat and hack the crap out of it.
If you cheat on the PS3 or Xbox, then your account - which is tied to your hardware-serial - will be banned, and you'll have to buy new hardware, if you want to continue playing.
So yeah, I'll happily play Dust514 alongside EvE Online.
Originally posted by Gdemami Originally posted by YalexyI'd play way more shooters if they would release shooters for the PS3/Xbox with native USB-keyboard and mouse.
When reading your lines, I was surprised to catch myself considering buying a console if it had more of KB+M support...
Yeah, and it's only up to the devs to implement it apparently.
So far only UT3 supports native USB-keyboard and mouse as far as I know, and it's quiet easy to set it up for UT3 ->
No hassles, like having to worry about your PC-hardware, drivers, etc... Would be awesome to have native USB-keyboard and mouse for every shooter on the console imho.
PS3 only seems very risky, especially as you have to pay for the game by a PSN cash shop. There are a lot of big PS3 ghames scheduled for launch in 2012, and many are cross platform, so it's hard to see how Dust can emerge as a major contender.
Dust 514 is being marketed as a free to play game on the PS3
- not sure why you think players are required to pay PSN
internet access is free on both PS3 and Wii
XBOX Live is the only console that charges for that service w annual fees
I mean CCP have to pay for the game, and presumably profit, by the cash shop. If not they will take a big loss, I'd have thought.
LOL.
You/'ve never played EVE have you?
You could play the game for free monthly. You need to make 400million ingame credits(isk) a month to do so.
Now.
How many EVE players go out and purchase PLEX(gametime that can be sold in game) To sell for ingame credits. (isk)
CCP makes plenty from just this. From players purchasing PLEX and converting it to isk.
Man players will use the cash shop for simple reasons why players use LoL's cash shop.
FOR ALL THE CONVIENCE AND THE PRETTY SHINIES.
F2P model. Cash shop for xp boosts/ingame credit boosts and vanity items.
PS3 only seems very risky, especially as you have to pay for the game by a PSN cash shop. There are a lot of big PS3 ghames scheduled for launch in 2012, and many are cross platform, so it's hard to see how Dust can emerge as a major contender.
Dust 514 is being marketed as a free to play game on the PS3
- not sure why you think players are required to pay PSN
internet access is free on both PS3 and Wii
XBOX Live is the only console that charges for that service w annual fees
I mean CCP have to pay for the game, and presumably profit, by the cash shop. If not they will take a big loss, I'd have thought.
LOL.
You/'ve never played EVE have you?
You could play the game for free monthly. You need to make 400million ingame credits(isk) a month to do so.
Now.
How many EVE players go out and purchase PLEX(gametime that can be sold in game) To sell for ingame credits. (isk)
CCP makes plenty from just this. From players purchasing PLEX and converting it to isk.
Man players will use the cash shop for simple reasons why players use LoL's cash shop.
FOR ALL THE CONVIENCE AND THE PRETTY SHINIES.
F2P model. Cash shop for xp boosts/ingame credit boosts and vanity items.
Funny how those F2P games are making money....
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I don't think you're understanding this thread. We are talking Dust cash shop (for PSN), and not the EVE cash shop which is something different.
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[mod edit] just to put it in perspective, in terms of sales, the PC of course tends to have just a fraction of the console numbers, but then a lot of games these days are either console specific, or console restricted, no PC release - or the PC version just isnt up to it, god knows we've seen enough dodgy console ports already. but in terms of sales at least, Wii outsells all the other consoles, this was a joke that basically said, if it was made for the Wii they would have had server overload, the Wii after all is cheap, ridiculously so, the PS3 not so cheap, the Xbox is probably more affordable, and thats probably why when it comes to sales, PS3 versions of a game generally come in around 40-50 percent, in terms of numbers, of those sold on the Xbox, and no.. i don't have an Xbox and you could sell them for £50 each and i still wouldnt buy one, same with the PS3. That makes me a PC Gamer. you obviously think that PC Gamers are lame, your opinion, no less valid than my own, but obviously.. very different.
i think XBOX and PS3 pricing are comparable
unlike PS3, XBOX requires additional yearly fees to use the internet
EQ2 fan sites
Im so glad to have a PS3, this game looks freaking amazing.
Vita app? oh my god! and M&K support!
But this game should be also on PC, PC+PS3, yeah, i get it, they are trying to appeal to a different audience, but launching it on another platform is never a bad thing.... more players.
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy"
-Seinfeld
i could never understand how microsoft could charge people to use an internet connection, when microsoft isnt actually providing that internet connection in the first place.. on that basis alone im surprised there arent more PS3 owners than XBOX owners
wouldnt put it past them to try and do something similar with Windows 8... really really hope that Valve/Steam can do something about supporting Linux more, its getting that M$ is giving PC gaming a bad rep (or a worse one!).... if it wasnt for MMO's i wouldnt have a windows PC at all.
Fixed that for you. Been 14 or so months now since monocle gate, and that means CCP lost (2 accts * 17 bucks a month) * 14 months bucks from me alone. $476 bucks. Not $20 million to be sure, but not insignificant either. They sure tried their darnedest to get me back too, lost count of the number of emails saying "we've changed, really!". Guess they haven't.
It is though a very good question why CCP games weren't able to develop a PC version of Dust to release alongside the PS3 game. Given that their EVE player base might prefer a PC client for an online FPS this would seem to be a major oversight in the Dust project. For 20 million new investor bucks I'd have thought a PC port possible?
I agree
CCP has given hints of PC possibility
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/07/gdc-2012-ccp-talks-dust-eve-and-world-of-darkness/
While many EVE Online players aren't thrilled with DUST 514's PlayStation 3 exclusivity, there may be hope for a PC release yet. And while the devs weren't ready to make any official statements on the spot, a bit of wink-nudging indicates that a PC release may still be in the cards. As the devs note, mouse and keyboard controls are already supported in the PS3 version of the title. "I wonder why we did that," Hilmar joked during the interview.
EQ2 fan sites
Oh, noes, CCP is making a game not aimed at you? How dare they! How do you think ANY game company fund a new game? Surely not by using the money they earned on other succesfull games? I mean, that would be unheard of...
Lol.
This +1
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Nobody is writing that it isn't possible to port Dust to PC in the future. The big question is why CCP games haven't done this now given that it seems so logical for them given they have several hundred K subs playing EVE on PC.
That I could understand working, would probably be fun for EVE players as FPS combat is very different from point and click combat. It would expand the gaming experience and the two games are tied together.
PS3 only seems very risky, especially as you have to pay for the game by a PSN cash shop. There are a lot of big PS3 ghames scheduled for launch in 2012, and many are cross platform, so it's hard to see how Dust can emerge as a major contender.
Dust 514 is being marketed as a free to play game on the PS3
- not sure why you think players are required to pay PSN
internet access is free on both PS3 and Wii
XBOX Live is the only console that charges for that service w annual fees
EQ2 fan sites
CCP want in the console market, but they couldn't afford to do it completely on their own, so they signed an exclusivity agreement with sony. They probably tried xbox and got turned down.
Now spending 20 mil on promotion? Should be spending it on game development, because I don't see this title going anywhere.
As much as people praise CCP for EVE, I think most of it is unwarranted, and things are simply not the same anymore. Hope their vampire mmo turns out good though.
I mean CCP have to pay for the game, and presumably profit, by the cash shop. If not they will take a big loss, I'd have thought.
sorry for the misunderstanding
I agree - I'm not sure how the business will work out, especially with Planetside2 around the corner
EQ2 fan sites
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
I'd have to agree Planetside 2 got a lot of plaudits at E3, and I'd have thought would eat Dust for breakfast as they are both in beta now. Planetside 2 is also PC-based.
People apparently still not understand the reason why CCP is going PS3 with Dust514. They wanted to go with the Xbox, but Microsoft didn't allow for cross-platform communications with the EvE server.
Dust514 will have effects on EvE Online. They might not be as big an influence, but still they influence EvE.
CCP wanted to have a platform for Dust514 that makes it near impossible to cheat and give every player the same hardware to level the playingground. And don't start screaming about controllers.... Dust514 will support USB-keyboard and mouse out of the box on the PS3.
It's very simple, and imho a good move into the right direction. I'd play way more shooters if they would release shooters for the PS3/Xbox with native USB-keyboard and mouse. But I'll never play shooters on the PC as people will cheat and hack the crap out of it.
If you cheat on the PS3 or Xbox, then your account - which is tied to your hardware-serial - will be banned, and you'll have to buy new hardware, if you want to continue playing.
So yeah, I'll happily play Dust514 alongside EvE Online.
When reading your lines, I was surprised to catch myself considering buying a console if it had more of KB+M support...
When reading your lines, I was surprised to catch myself considering buying a console if it had more of KB+M support...
Yeah, and it's only up to the devs to implement it apparently.
So far only UT3 supports native USB-keyboard and mouse as far as I know, and it's quiet easy to set it up for UT3 ->
No hassles, like having to worry about your PC-hardware, drivers, etc... Would be awesome to have native USB-keyboard and mouse for every shooter on the console imho.
LOL.
You/'ve never played EVE have you?
You could play the game for free monthly. You need to make 400million ingame credits(isk) a month to do so.
Now.
How many EVE players go out and purchase PLEX(gametime that can be sold in game) To sell for ingame credits. (isk)
CCP makes plenty from just this. From players purchasing PLEX and converting it to isk.
Man players will use the cash shop for simple reasons why players use LoL's cash shop.
FOR ALL THE CONVIENCE AND THE PRETTY SHINIES.
F2P model. Cash shop for xp boosts/ingame credit boosts and vanity items.
Funny how those F2P games are making money....
[mod edit]I don't think you're understanding this thread. We are talking Dust cash shop (for PSN), and not the EVE cash shop which is something different.