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Cancelled my pre-order today. Heres why
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No, it's base on Aerowyn's compilation of GW2 video. Here's the video:
Base on the way developers talk, I dont' think there's raid. Basically the developer says it's not fair for people to only be running 5 man dungeon before level80 and they have to be running this massive group of 25 50 blah blah group to do blah blah. I dotn' think there's raid. Also base on google people say there's no endgame and no raid.
and something I'm not proud of. I spend too much time reading game forum.
I did briefly, too much to write too tired to be doing it :P (5 am here and I worked 13 hrs yesterday:). As for that it seems to me there's a segment of players that this type of thing is not misinformation to. If that makes sense. To these people this is the truth of GW2 as I see a lot of threads like this. The no endgame, broken promises etc..
I'm only saying that there may be a segment of readers that this type of information relates to (those with similar views on MMO's and endgame, or the things that need addressed in the genre).
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There were raids before WoW, and they didn't involve instances. Honestly people, the post-WoW era is not the end all, be all formula. People are so set in the mold that's been created any deviation from it seems to draw an unwarranted backlash.
I can base ridiculous notions on google too. Did you know google says the 9/11 was a government conspiracy? Did you also know when you google the term Area 51 there supposedly is concrete proof extraterrestrial beings exist? Your google statement is laughable.
No one can say for sure what "end game" brings in GW2, but the indicators we can take from the rest of the game, and the developers comments leaves things....what's the word....positive?
Skepticism is something I accept. But blatantly making a statement without actually reading through the facts and/or experiencing said events is grounds for trolling. People really should educate themselves before speaking up.
So why do so many people call GW2 not having raid?
Remember all those post from that link I gave you. All of them know there's world boss in GW2 and most of them dont' call them as raid.
All this terminology fetish is annoying. You goign to argue the definition of gay too. Or how wow isn't an mmorpg because sandboxer dont' consider it have a virtual world?
I'm not saying your terminology is wrong. I'm saying he dont' consider that as raid. What's the big deal?
You guys dont' consider using money for perk as pay 2 win, I accept it. And that's actually the consensus too. I'm the type that like to have all perk unlock. I'll be spending a huge load of money or grinding the hell out. I basically consider that pay 2 win. What's the big deal?
The problem, as we're constantly repeating here, is that most nay sayers are spreading pooh. Yes pooh, as their critics are completely erratical and 80% of the time not based on an actual, real testing session. Most of them didn't even play the goddamn beta.
Just check out all the negative threads, at one point, there's always a time where the OP admits he didn't either play extensively (< 4 hours), either didn't play at all. How can you not want to flame such people ? (as long as they do feel the need to be vocal and create threads about it, indeed, like "hey ! I don't know what I'm talking about ! But I got something to say !")
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If those are really the only differences you could find between GW2 and status quo MMOs, then you either had some very serious blinders on, played the game for ten minutes or deliberately tossed out a plethora of items you are actually aware of in order to provide a reason for people to take a pass.
I think posts like that tend to make the poster look bad, rather than GW2.
It's too bad for you. Truly great and original MMOs are so rare in the genre it actually makes me sad to see any MMO fans miss out on this game due to a flawed first impression, pre-conceived negative bias or due to a sense of loyalty to a game that is seen to be in competition with GW2.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
Why do you think the developer keep giving the notion that they don't think it's fair for people before 80 only needing to do 5 people instance and they need huge group to do things at level80.
I dont' even think it'll be like EQ raids.
So you think people goign to do raid in GW2 like they did in EQ? if you say so I accept it.
All I'm saying is this "many of the truths we cling to, depend greatly on our own point of view"
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Dude, I spend like 100 hours reading GW2 forum etc. I didnt' even say anything negative about the game.
And I admit I didn't play beta. I just like to play games when they are out. I rather spend my time playing other games because I dont' want my character to be wipe.
You still don't get it. Big surprise.
Explain to me clearly what the difference is between an instanced 40man raid vs a GW2 DE like the Shatterer?
The big deal is ignorant people like you still using the term Pay 2 win. Do you really think if I or someone else sunk $500 on gems for the first week of play we'd be rolling faces? Do you really think 5 guys spending $100 are going to reverse gang bang 50 guys in WvW?
The cash shop is nothing more than an incentive filled with TRIVIAL goods. It's just another perk to play towards. Focusing your angst on the shop instead of actually playing through the game is borderline moronic.
I have to agree with OP on several of his/her points. The Pay to win comment I have a hard time believeing, mainly because as someone mentioned, Anet has a pretty good reputation of staying true to their player base.
And lets be honest, it's GW, it won't appeal to the masses, there will be a huge start up following, and then numbers will settle down to a relaistic level once all the players that bought in to the hype see it is what it is and nothing more.
The GW series has a very specific goal and that is to get people doing PvP, and while I get its world vs world or realm vs realm, it is all a form of pvp, don't go making up your own definitions. However I digress, the point being and I have seen it far to much recently (last 3 or 4 years) no game producers are really doing anything cutting edge. If you think GW 2 is, you're just a fanboi/grl and I don't care to hear your fanatic gibberish.
OP mentioned Planetside 2 and how it will revolutionize the genre. Well ok, if you are speaking ot the PvP genre then, yes, it will. Never before has a game allowed so many people to be in the same space fighitng over territory. DAoC and Lineage 2 both had massive pvp, but you never saw anywhere near 100 individuals going at it (speaking NA servers here I understand Korean L2 servers had huge battles quite often, but still no where near the numbers PS2 will support).
At any rate, GW is nothing ground breaking, I am not saying it is a bad game, it just will not appeal to everyone. TSW has its issues as well, but for me, who happnes to be sick of the fnatasy orcs/elves junk that has been released recently, it is a fine solution for now.
Enjoy what you enjoy.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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It's the organization. I dotn' know how wow is now. When I played it, basically you can't get a group of people, put them together and easily get through the content. People have to know where to stand, what to do. Basically you can't just zerg it.
Give me some video of GW2. Is the buttom video what GW2 raid looks like?
Do you think that's how a typical wow raid or aoc raid runs like?
If you don't like me using the term pay 2 win for buying perks, I accept it. I know I'll be spending an extra 100$ probably but whatever.
no raids? if u want raids go back to WoW.
no sub fee? if u want sub fee go back to WoW. Just coz GW2 is B2P doesnt mean its content is not good enough for P2P. GW1 was B2P and ANet wanted to stick with that.
u want pvp rankings and build up rep for urself? r u even a good pvper? just go back to WoW since everything you're looking pretty much sounds like WoW features.
No endgame? how sure r u that GW2 doesnt have endgame? have u played thru the whole game or even talked to the devs wether gw2 has endgame or not?
WvsW is PvP it is a form of pvp don't go making up your own definitions of what PvP is. Is it a Player fighting another Player? then it is PvP just on a bigger scale. That is all. And GW didn't invent Realm vs Realm or world vs world ar server vs server etc.
It is just PvP, get over it.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
So GW2 dont' have raids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????
ok that's a sarcastic remark. But I hope the people that keep telling me GW2 have raid get the idea.
I dont' even have anything negative against GW2, I'm very excited about it, heard many good things about it and is goign to buy it. And I'll be paying 60$ +100$ to buy the damn perks, so what? I spend 100$ every month on pay 2 win games like atalntica online before.
Anyway chill. There are people who say negative things about GW2, but there are people who say negative things about every single damn game. The good thing is there are many more positive post about GW2 than negative post. Everyone is different and people "can not" like the game.
You guys with the raids thing going on are going nuts.
GW2 does not have instanced organized raids. These have a tight knit group of 10 - 25 that try to achieve a difficult goal together.
GW2 does have open world raids where anyone can join in. These have a loose group of anywhere from 10 - 100 that try to achieve a goal together.
I don't know what's wrong with you. The only thing I accept is I probalby shouldn't be calling GW2 pay 2 win, because most people dont' consider buying perks as pay 2 win.
And you dotn' need to tell me I can't use real cash to buy power in pvp since I know that.
The consensus is people in general dont' consider GW2 have raid. I probably more inclined to believe those people than you since that's what the majority says. If you want to spend that much time to describe the definition of gay etc, I dont' see the point. Later.
Anyway, DE in GW2 is challenging? also the world boss?
What's the difficulty of GW2 "raids"? challenging?
and how many of those open world raids are there?
I suppose it's goign to be fun. I'm excited for it.
I know in the early levels they aren't very hard. We had about 8 randoms against a level 25 or so underwater raid boss thing and it wiped us once.
So far they seem pretty easy overall though. I'm hoping they get really hard in those later levels and actually require some coordination or at the very least, some of the people to be cooridinated.
Edit: Oh, as to how many? I've seen at least 1 per zone so far. There could be more that I've missed.
I couldn't care less about raids. The idea of event bosses is good enough for me. Anyone can drop in and drop out from them and there is no need to hold your water for 6 hours straight. There is longer the idiotic we need a tank and healer curse spoling the fun for everyone else.
The lack of sub is a good thing for me, when it comes to the content complaint...look at TSW the game has as much if not less content then GW2 and charges obscene 12 pounds per month. P2W is just a speculation and right now nothing proves it.
Which massive pvp is not zerg like ? With huge numbers of players on the screen only organised guilds try to cordinate anything. GW2 is not that bad, it actuall tries to spread the players in WWW with different objectives. Except of that you have smaller, instaced pvp if you don't like or your PC can't handle the WWW.
Endgame. I'm sorry but I lost any respect I had to your arguments. Theme park MMORPGs have no replayability value to anyone sane anyway. Sandbox games on other hand require talented minds to make the replayable content entertaining and fun, but I disgress. There is no game which provides endless hours of entertaiment. If you spend endless hours while playing any game I suggest visiting a local psychologist as you have a major addiction going.
TD;LR
It's a game, it's not a second coming of Jesus. Some people will like it, others won't. People will complain about lack of content a month or two after the launch. We won't see "why I unsubbed" topics only because there is no sub. It's A GAME not a miraculous replacement for your life.
You finally realize they're perks. So you finally should have realized you don't "NEED" them like you previously said. As long as you realize that, good, you're finally learning.
I don't know anyone that I personally know who didn't say "That was like a raid" or "Reminded me of WoW raids" after they played Shatterer or Tequatl. You can believe whatever majority you've read (GOOGLE...AM I RITE?!), but I've actually played both events and talked to people who've played said events.
Again, there are differences between the two systems. But their goals and premise leading up to said goals are the one and the same. Following an epic dynamic event chain that leads up to events like the Shatterer feels very much like a dungeon.
Challenging is subjective. Most I found a bit on the easy side, some ridiculously simple and a few that made me want to smash my keyboard.
OP i though you left?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/355070
So, basically, the OP cancelled a GW2 pre-order, because they could only find four of the dozens of elements that seperate GW2 game design from the theme-park MMO status quo design doctrine?
Believe me, there is much, much more to the game than the OP is giving it credit for and missing out on this game based on such ill-informed reasoning is a bit sad, for the OP.
The game won't be going anywhere, so hopefully future reconsideration is a possibility. This is certainly an MMO no MMO fan should miss.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
