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Very Interesting Concept.. PvE servers Needed
I tried the game out, looked interesting.. Permadeath i can deal with, but Permadeath bundled with PvP i cant stomach... But as everyone knows, Open PVP means griefers, and griefers are not fun... Either make PvE servers, Allow us to flag PVE, or make PVP only avalible via factions... ill be following this game, but wont be playing it... Heres hoping for PvE
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The whole game is designed around perma death, it would break without it. If you understood the game you would realise why, but its too tedious to explain. There will never be pve servers, I can garentee you that 100%.
however I was thinking about this other day and in theory there is a way you can play and never get killed. you could live as a player trader, stay perminantly in boston. buy and sell things you need, especially with new player owned shops. it would probably be quite tedious, as its not what the game is designed for its in interesting thought anyway
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Oh god here it comes... Change this niche game to be like something I have played before. Look if you don't like PVP or permadeath DO NOT play games that feature them. [mod edit]
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
^ lol bit extreme but I agree with the sentiment. there are plenty of games that dont have permadeath, so go play them instead.
however tons of bitching and moaning for pve server is envitable in any game that tries to do something different..
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Why are you such an angry person?
Dude said he won't be playing it as is and would like PvE option. If they did implement a PvE server separate from the PvP server how would that effect you? Ah yes, that's right. It wouldn't.
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This game wont attract too many pvpers... dont worry about that.
Have you played it? ......
With out PvP the game is point less/
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no it wasnt...this games development did not start with "permadeath" at the top and everything else conceived from that, its a concept more so then the run of the mill pvp games, a lot of you are in for a huge surprize
and this whole thread reads like people whove never even played it yet
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This is the reason i do not like open PvP, cuse your probably one of the people who get there kicks of ruining someone else's fun.
Plenty of games yes, But not one "Like" this.. if you know of a game that allows players to build and create like this game, please let me know, cuse i would buy it in a minute!
Like i said, Permadeath, not an issue, its the combination of PVP & Permadeath that i dislike, im not going to loose all my progress beacuse some idiot player killer gets his rocks off ruining other peoples fun. If i die, beacuse my dumbass attacked a bear or something, thats my fault, i control my destiny..
I wish I had known this game had permadeath and pvp. Grr... missed the beta key handout on this one.
EDIT: If anyone has a key, please let me know.
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He is prob upset, cuse he knows if they create a PvE server, the PVP servers would be barren waste lands, Just like when Ultima Online released the Trammel Rule set, Felucca died..
(for those who dont know what UO is, Felucca was the original world, was open PVP full loot.. then they released Trammel an exact copy of Felucca, but no PvP no Full Loot, and Felucca died pretty much, i almost bet the same would happen in this game)
It would change what the game is at it's core. If a game isn't good enough for a player, they really need to move on. It's basically obvious this game isn't for him. His changes might even ruin it for him. Did you consider that? Why are you so angry?
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You're probably a person who assumes things... Too bad. I actually am an anti PK. I will lay down my life in the defense of those who cannot defend themselves. People who don't want to PVP need to just educate themselves on what type of game they are playing, and if it's a pvp game they need to graciously remove themselves without running to the forums demanding core system changes and threatening the game company with the prospect that they will spend their money elsewhere. Saying something does not deserve ot exist because you do not agree with it is fundamentally evil.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
When did i threaten? and when did i say that something doesnt deserve to exist, I posted my opinion.. i would like to see PVE, not I DEMAND PVE!!! After all, Forums are for discussion, and in your case flaming
Saying something does not deserve ot exist because you do not agree with it is fundamentally evil. <-- Try and take your own advice homes... cuse this makes you sound like a hypocrit
Im done feeding the Troll for today... anyone else?
I think it would be enough to have a way to secure your holdings rather than have consequences. The PvP exists, but there's a way with some effort to build a safe area to do your day to day whatever in the game.
I don't really to bring up Minecraft in a Salem thread again, but with Faction style mods, you can create a zone that is owned by your faction, where you can build a safe place and raise animals and farm without having to worry over much about people attacking you so long as you secure the area properly. You're limited in how much you can mine, so you'll have to leave your safe zone eventually, but you can have a safe place. I think this is a good way to do things.
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The core of the game isn't PvP. It's crafting and building, so please explain how allowing people to have the choice between PvE and PvP would ruin the game for anyone.
Even the people who are making the game call it The Crafing MMO.
Simply: No,
And even though some care-bears want it, it will not happen, it goes againest the developer's philosophy in the game's predecesser Haven & Hearth and that carries over for salem.
It doesn't change the price of tea in china either. You are thinking wrong. Can't fix it.
The game is what the game is. You can't justify the change.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Learn to micro manage your characters to prevent the loss of dieing being an issue. That's the beauty of these games, they force you to think to minimize loss and because loss is guaranteed.
So either knuckle down and use your brain to survive or find something more suitable for your gaming style, because its really annoying to call players who love this ruleset griefers or whatever just because they enjoy a greater challenge than standing around with sally picking posies in the garden of eden.
I agree, knowing the developers from Haven & Hearth there's little chance for a PvE server.
I fear that the same thing as in Haven & Hearth will happen in Salem as well as a consequence: many people will have small armies of alts for the various tasks.
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Spoken as someone that hasn't played the game nor heard about Haven & Hearth. I have played H&H for a very long time and never gotten pk'ed or griefed except when I was running New Brodgar but that's another point. :P
I don't mind perma death nor open pvp as it adds some spice to it knowing that you have to build some defence around your homestead to keep it rather than just relying on server blocking the ability to pvp or loose items. If you did get griefed, just move to a better, more remote location. I'm currently set where I haven't seen a single person in a huge radius so there are places still that are remote if you like playing a hermit ;D
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Every FFA open world PvP game would be more popular with consent-only PvP. Period.
Don't believe me? Prove me wrong. There are several examples (one in the quoted text above) to back me up and none that say otherwise.
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"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"