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this is not about how swtor was at launch. or do you play games in a time machine?
this is like to argue that WoW's great because the burning crusade was epic. Cata sucked. and WoW lost 4 mil subs. that's where we stand now.
an EA exec will care a flying frack about how many people got fooled into buying SWTOR.
they care about how many will pay compared to the cost of keeping it alive and running. and compared to the cost of doing new content.
THAT'S what this is about.
it is no wonder people don't understand that they are playing a game that might get shut down when ftp fails. they are in complete denial.
forget GW2. GW2 was an example if a buy, then ftp game that competes MASSIVELY with the new ftp SWTOR
you never even mentioned SWTOR at all in your post.
welcome to the new reality.
that's what any EA exec in charge of SWTOR financing sees.
people arguing about CoD and GW2 and SWTOR, maybe, but only how it was at launch.
it's the kiss of death to new money for voice over movies and content
active players and time played
not subs
if you'd have looked at the charts themselves, you'd see that WoW had 50.000 hours every day for 6 weeks and started dropping heavily each day since GW2 has come out.
official numbers from Arenanet state that the game was pre-purchased, pre-PURCHASED, NOT pre-ordered, over 1 millon times.
pre-orders and retail boxes and retail downloads not included.
concurrent player numbers 400.000. concurrent meaning playing at the same time.
WoW had tice as much when Cata launched and when it was at almost 13 million subs.
all xfire numbers show is what a specific subset of MMO players are doing. You can't just assume that xfire users are representative of the entire MMO playerbase, because they probably aren't. People that use xfire could be more or less likely to migrate between games, more or less likely to play a f2p or b2p game than a sub game, etc, etc. Also, as others have posted already you are comparing a games launch with a nearly year old game thats going through transition. Thats why xfire gets blown off.
You don't need xfire to prove that SWTOR has been a disappointment or that lots of players have been waiting for GW2 anyway so I'm not sure what you thought you were going to 'prove' with it.
every poll polls a subset of X by design.
about 100k use it (or more but 100k at least actively). why this is not relevant as a poll is beyond me.
you don't know much about polls it seems...
I bet you lend credence to polls here that has 30 people voting... but 100.000... nah... they're probably all swtor haters
AND you even agree with my point.
so why even post?
LoL, Fanboys are amazing. GW is FREE TO PLAY and a 5 DAYS OLD GAME. SWTOR IS P2P, wich mean everyone is paying a sub or you cant play, while in GW2 people play for free. And Dear Fanboy, if u want to make a comparision do it with the number of people playing at launch in SWTOR, that would be a fair comparision even when one game is B2P and the other P2P because in 6 months GW2 will have less than a half of the population that the game have 5 DAYS AFTER LAUNCH, and dont worry after November with the new F2P model in SWTOR we will find more people playing that game than GW2.
the problem is the way you assume an xfire user = an average MMO player with no way to prove it. An no, a poll of 30 people, or a poll of MMORPG forum users at all, wouldn't be any better, since those groups don't behave the way an average player does.
Is there proof of that? I'd be curious to see those numbers.
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they did not have such a spike at start.. and GW1 prophecies was the weakest part of the gameworld imho anyway...
all expansions except the last were also standalone.
overall, GW1 sold 7 million copies almost... and they did most of this in the years after launch.
I remember a 1 mil sold message from the devs long after the game had come out...
they had a unique endgame where the whole game world turned into like a hardcore version of itself where even max level or max gear meant little if you were not good...
it was not an open world MMO like GW2, but GW2 kept many of its endgame mechanics and added 5 mans, legendaries and so on
Those numbers are pretty heavily biased for a number of reasons. The fact you don't understand why likely has something to do with why you're playing GW2.
There's my favorite source again.
it is a poll, not a source for hard numbers.
pls look up "poll" in a dictionary.
the best thing about it is that is is not concerned with subs, or handed out "free months" or other tricks companies apply to inflate their numbers.
it's just pure and simple: TIME PLAYED
and that's what matters. if you don't play, you sooner or later cancel your sub, or never spend money on SWTORs cash shop
agree
most games in first month of honeymoon do well, rather see GW2 info in 3 months
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This a million times over. I been watching for months as the GW2 trolls have been in all the other game formus bashing those games and touting how great GW2 was going to be.
Yet here it is after launch and we keep seing the same type gw2 fans bashing other games, I was hoping this would cease after GW2 launched, but no it just as bad as it was before. You would think they would be off playing their game, but noo.
There are about 8 other threads in different game forums saying the same things. I am thinking some of these are profesional haters and show up just to bash other games.
It's a source, cause that's where you got YOUR information from.
pls look up "source" in a dictionary.
And it's from Xfire so it represents a small sample of players. But hey, I dont wanna pee in your Cheerios, so if that's your trusted name in gaming statistics and POLL information (there are you happy?) go for it.
to be honest, I was so amazed by the game that I checked xfire on how it was doing.
since I've followed swtor here, I decided to post the results that were just mindblowing for me. (and yes, I specifically created an account to do that)
I think GW2 is a superior product. this poll, and that's all xfire is, shows that many agree.
I never offended you personaly, or attacked anyone in this thread. I used numbers to trash the "active player base" SWTOR devs confuse purposefully with subs.
I could ask you the same thing: why are you not playing SWTOR or WoW?
for me it is the desire to show people that there is a game out there that kept all its promises and has the best and most helpful INGAME comminuty I've ever seen.
don't forget, the real trolls are not guild wars 2 fans but just like to piss off people.
yes, my attitude was derisive towards the game, but never to players or anyone here.
If you want to make proper comparison wait till GW2 is as old as SWTOR.
This is way too early.
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Stupid thread, GW2 have been out for 2 days and TOR had plenty of players after that time as well.
I do play GW2 and not TOR but you cant compare the games like that. If you knew how many players GW2 were having after 8 months and compared it to TORs after the same time it would be somewhat relevant.
well, I played GW1 and have two characters at max level. I'm familiar with the game. I just don't believe that they they didn't have a drp off of players from launch to thelast exppansion.
What the the numbers showing concurrent players from launch to the last expansion?
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you read the tread title and wrote this.
it's so depressing that people cannot fathom the role that $ plays
do you think some EA exec is interested in a "fair" launch day comparison when he sees his 500 mil investment being played 2.9% compared to cheaper, newer titles?
your STWOR is 8 months old comparison is even more damaging to the people in charge. they don't care about numbers in the past.
why can't people read and understand?
The OPs conclusion depends on there being a consistent relation between the number of active XFire players and the number of active players in each game. If, for instance, you can multiply the XFire active GW2 players by 125 for GW2 and get the actual number of players, you need to be able to multiply the number of XFire active ToR players by 125 to get ToR's active players in order to compare the two. You can't do this. You can't calculate the relation between XFire players and active players in either game. To do this you'd need to know the number of active players in either game.
If you had the number of active players in either game, you wouldn't need XFire. XFire doesn't seem to do anything but increase the net total misinformation in any thread that references it.
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