It was never really considered the second coming, that was a copout used by the haters who were sardonically trying to remove the game as a contender, what it IS tho is a gamechanger for the industry. Here's a company that doesn't rob the people by requiring a sub to line their pockets, that gives a game that's got 80 levels of content with full on dungeons and open world raids. with balanced pvp included right off the bat. and people who are stuck in the ways of 2004 can't seem to handle that.
But yeah i agree, this game rocks and that's why I'll never look at a subscription again
Oh so it's not the second coming, it's only the game changer for the entire industry.
ugh you make me face palm.
See how this guy is so condenscending? OH IM JUST STUCK IN 2004 DERP IS ME
I know it's not easy to grasp but it's been a game changer for the industry since before launch because of the stance this company took on how they won't rob their customers with subs and how the games should be fun and not work, which is why people started demanding more from the sub games they went back to after the BWEs and the stresstests. It was all over the various forums for these other titles. Guess you missed it. And that was before they left those games.
I never liked GW. What I mean is, I appreciated it and thought it was a very good game, but it never appealed to me personally. I didn't like the lore much and it didn't feel like a virtual world, didn't really feel like an MMO but like an odd hybrid.
So I've been somewhat detached from the hype for GW2, just looking on.
But I've got to say: GW2 really is a fucking masterpiece. The attention to detail is astounding. The DEs work very well as a sort of half-way house between soloing and grouping. Even the personal story quests aren't too bad (I expected much, much worse). In fact the only thing that's bad is some of the dialogue and voice acting.
But most of all - the gameplay, the fluidity and responsiveness, the intrinsic addictiveness and trance-inducing essential MMO-ey-ness, are just awesome to behold. Not only that, but it's actually beautiful, visually and aurally.
The much-anticipated "WoW Killer" has arrived.
Well, of course that's always been a stupid concept really, but if it has any meaning at all (and ignoring the difference between p2p and b2p), the meaning is fulfilled in this game.
Amusing to see the "locusts" have descended though. Apparently the game isn't Jesus. Who would've thought, eh?
Very wise move to shut the forums down for launch, methinks.
You are joking right?? Masterpiece come on! AH broke to force people to spend real money on gems
Forums broke to keep the blind sheep blind
Mail broke
Guild features broke
Stuck in the overflow parking lot and cant group with friends or guild members
Broke or lack of endgame
Insane wait times for wvwvw
Lag
Repeative heart quest and DE
Nothing new at all I can keep going if you like Its fine you people enjoy the game its a descent game i agree nothing and I mean not even close to masterpiece.
I dont think he's joking and do believe GW2 is a quality AAA product. Definitely better than TSW, TERRA and SWTOR put together. But just shows you we all have different opinions.
A broken AH honestly doesnt mean a game isnt a masterpiece, it just means certain functionality is not functioning. I understand that gets some of you kids upset. But honestly what are you going to do about it? Coming on here saying how much of an atrocity it is doesnt solve anything. You either have to live with (ANet will fix it) or play something else. Not sure why that is so hard undertand. The game isnt going to shut down because of it or these posts and more people are playing irregardless of the issues than not.
We all know this stuff happens during a launch. But I've been playing for nearly a week enjoying every minute of it even with the known issues. So how big of a deal is this really? (Outside of those who constantly complain about it here).
i dont know how many of you have ever ran a data center or a popular website, but I can tell you from personal experience its tough! No amount of planning ever preapares you for the real thing especially with the volume I assume GW2 is getting (a positive thing). When problems occur you try to fix them as fast as you can. Using these issues against the quality of the game is really senseless as it wont matter a year from now (unless they are not fixed by then - but thats another problem).
There is no end game in GW2. Burn that into your brain. And personally anyone who reaches max level in less than a week in launch is obviously not running through all of the content. Thats their perrogative, but at the same time you cant get upset that you have nothing to do when you ignore 90% in order to reach your goal of attaining max level. You rushed through it and I wont blame the developer for that.
Lets see where we are in October and/or November and then maybe I'll agree... but right now the game is working just fine for me understanding all the issues above are real.
I never liked GW. What I mean is, I appreciated it and thought it was a very good game, but it never appealed to me personally. I didn't like the lore much and it didn't feel like a virtual world, didn't really feel like an MMO but like an odd hybrid.
So I've been somewhat detached from the hype for GW2, just looking on.
But I've got to say: GW2 really is a fucking masterpiece. The attention to detail is astounding. The DEs work very well as a sort of half-way house between soloing and grouping. Even the personal story quests aren't too bad (I expected much, much worse). In fact the only thing that's bad is some of the dialogue and voice acting.
But most of all - the gameplay, the fluidity and responsiveness, the intrinsic addictiveness and trance-inducing essential MMO-ey-ness, are just awesome to behold. Not only that, but it's actually beautiful, visually and aurally.
The much-anticipated "WoW Killer" has arrived.
Well, of course that's always been a stupid concept really, but if it has any meaning at all (and ignoring the difference between p2p and b2p), the meaning is fulfilled in this game.
Amusing to see the "locusts" have descended though. Apparently the game isn't Jesus. Who would've thought, eh?
Very wise move to shut the forums down for launch, methinks.
You are joking right?? Masterpiece come on! AH broke to force people to spend real money on gems
Forums broke to keep the blind sheep blind
Mail broke
Guild features broke
Stuck in the overflow parking lot and cant group with friends or guild members
Broke or lack of endgame
Insane wait times for wvwvw
Lag
Repeative heart quest and DE
Nothing new at all I can keep going if you like Its fine you people enjoy the game its a descent game i agree nothing and I mean not even close to masterpiece.
I dont think he's joking and do believe GW2 is a quality AAA product. Definitely better than TSW, TERRA and SWTOR put together. But just shows you we all have different opinions.
A broken AH honestly doesnt mean a game isnt a masterpiece, it just means certain functionality is not functioning. I understand that gets some of you kids upset. But honestly what are you going to do about it? Coming on here saying how much of an atrocity it is doesnt solve anything. You either have to live with (ANet will fix it) or play something else. Not sure why that is so hard undertand. The game isnt going to shut down because of it or these posts and more people are playing irregardless of the issues than not.
We all know this stuff happens during a launch. But I've been playing for nearly a week enjoying every minute of it even with the known issues. So how big of a deal is this really? (Outside of those who constantly complain about it here).
i dont know how many of you have ever ran a data center or a popular website, but I can tell you from personal experience its tough! No amount of planning ever preapares you for the real thing especially with the volume I assume GW2 is getting (a positive thing). When problems occur you try to fix them as fast as you can. Using these issues against the quality of the game is really senseless as it wont matter a year from now (unless they are not fixed by then - but thats another problem).
There is no end game in GW2. Burn that into your brain. And personally anyone who reaches max level in less than a week in launch is obviously not running through all of the content. Thats their perrogative, but at the same time you cant get upset that you have nothing to do when you ignore 90% in order to reach your goal of attaining max level. You rushed through it and I wont blame the developer for that.
Lets see where we are in October and/or November and then maybe I'll agree... but right now the game is working just fine for me understanding all the issues above are real.
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Sorry to dissappoint you because of my taste in games. You dont sound like anything since you didnt present an argument. I'm over the whole infantile 'fanboy' term. It does nothing but promote ignorance, seeing how liking a game is a total opinion. And I was giving mine.
So someone who likes GW2 is a fanboy and someone who doesnt is a hater? And all according to your perception. Thats idiotic. How generalistic can you get?
Why dont you try tackling my points and then we'll talk.
I never liked GW. What I mean is, I appreciated it and thought it was a very good game, but it never appealed to me personally. I didn't like the lore much and it didn't feel like a virtual world, didn't really feel like an MMO but like an odd hybrid.
So I've been somewhat detached from the hype for GW2, just looking on.
But I've got to say: GW2 really is a fucking masterpiece. The attention to detail is astounding. The DEs work very well as a sort of half-way house between soloing and grouping. Even the personal story quests aren't too bad (I expected much, much worse). In fact the only thing that's bad is some of the dialogue and voice acting.
But most of all - the gameplay, the fluidity and responsiveness, the intrinsic addictiveness and trance-inducing essential MMO-ey-ness, are just awesome to behold. Not only that, but it's actually beautiful, visually and aurally.
The much-anticipated "WoW Killer" has arrived.
Well, of course that's always been a stupid concept really, but if it has any meaning at all (and ignoring the difference between p2p and b2p), the meaning is fulfilled in this game.
Amusing to see the "locusts" have descended though. Apparently the game isn't Jesus. Who would've thought, eh?
Very wise move to shut the forums down for launch, methinks.
You are joking right?? Masterpiece come on! AH broke to force people to spend real money on gems
Forums broke to keep the blind sheep blind
Mail broke
Guild features broke
Stuck in the overflow parking lot and cant group with friends or guild members
Broke or lack of endgame
Insane wait times for wvwvw
Lag
Repeative heart quest and DE
Nothing new at all I can keep going if you like Its fine you people enjoy the game its a descent game i agree nothing and I mean not even close to masterpiece.
I dont think he's joking and do believe GW2 is a quality AAA product. Definitely better than TSW, TERRA and SWTOR put together. But just shows you we all have different opinions.
A broken AH honestly doesnt mean a game isnt a masterpiece, it just means certain functionality is not functioning. I understand that gets some of you kids upset. But honestly what are you going to do about it? Coming on here saying how much of an atrocity it is doesnt solve anything. You either have to live with (ANet will fix it) or play something else. Not sure why that is so hard undertand. The game isnt going to shut down because of it or these posts and more people are playing irregardless of the issues than not.
We all know this stuff happens during a launch. But I've been playing for nearly a week enjoying every minute of it even with the known issues. So how big of a deal is this really? (Outside of those who constantly complain about it here).
i dont know how many of you have ever ran a data center or a popular website, but I can tell you from personal experience its tough! No amount of planning ever preapares you for the real thing especially with the volume I assume GW2 is getting (a positive thing). When problems occur you try to fix them as fast as you can. Using these issues against the quality of the game is really senseless as it wont matter a year from now (unless they are not fixed by then - but thats another problem).
There is no end game in GW2. Burn that into your brain. And personally anyone who reaches max level in less than a week in launch is obviously not running through all of the content. Thats their perrogative, but at the same time you cant get upset that you have nothing to do when you ignore 90% in order to reach your goal of attaining max level. You rushed through it and I wont blame the developer for that.
Lets see where we are in October and/or November and then maybe I'll agree... but right now the game is working just fine for me understanding all the issues above are real.
Lost all credibility at the line in red. You sound like a total fanboy.
Sorry to dissappoint you because of my taste in games. You dont sound like anything since you didnt present an argument. I'm over the whole infantile 'fanboy' term. It does nothing but promote ignorance, seeing how liking a game is a total opinion. And I was giving mine.
So someone who likes GW2 is a fanboy and someone who doesnt is a hater? And all according to your perception. Thats idiotic. How generalistic can you get?
Why dont you try tackling my points and then we'll talk.
TSW has better leveling content, SWTOR has better story and VO, Tera has better graphics and combat.
How is GW2 better than all those MMOs put together?
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy" -Seinfeld
Sorry to dissappoint you because of my taste in games. You dont sound like anything since you didnt present an argument. I'm over the whole infantile 'fanboy' term. It does nothing but promote ignorance, seeing how liking a game is a total opinion. And I was giving mine.
So someone who likes GW2 is a fanboy and someone who doesnt is a hater? And all according to your perception. Thats idiotic. How generalistic can you get?
Why dont you try tackling my points and then we'll talk.
TSW has better leveling content, SWTOR has better story and VO, Tera has better graphics and combat.
How is GW2 better than all those MMOs put together?
i HIGHLY disagree with everything you said there.. but that's the great thing about opinions now isn't it?
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Sorry to dissappoint you because of my taste in games. You dont sound like anything since you didnt present an argument. I'm over the whole infantile 'fanboy' term. It does nothing but promote ignorance, seeing how liking a game is a total opinion. And I was giving mine.
So someone who likes GW2 is a fanboy and someone who doesnt is a hater? And all according to your perception. Thats idiotic. How generalistic can you get?
Why dont you try tackling my points and then we'll talk.
TSW has better leveling content, SWTOR has better story and VO, Tera has better graphics and combat.
How is GW2 better than all those MMOs put together?
i HIGHLY disagree with everything you said there.. but that's the great thing about opinions now isn't it?
That's it? no videos?
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy" -Seinfeld
QFT. Get so sick of that. People are so incapable of rational thought anymore its gotten to the point absurdity.
People don't even try to look inside and h ave some sort of litmus test to try and determine if what they're about to say is tainted by bias or not.
I liked your post, but what Golden Age are you referring to when rational thought was the norm? Logically, games like GW2 are supposed to equal fun. Even when there are financial motives a product titled 'game' has to be enjoyable to succeed.
People are enjoying the game, and it's clear from the Internet as a whole, that many more are enjoying than not. Even after the honeymoon period has subsided and the dust has settled GW2 has changed the landscape. An F2P with AAA quality hasn't existed before now, at least not right from launch day. The WvW also has the potential to hit a sweet spot that many games since DaoC have been unable to find. The inability to grief people in GW2 is a breath of fresh air that I hope many more games will take note of. Arena has done a lot right. In terms of launch issues I'm sure if they are affecting you they are very frustrating, but looking at the company's behaviour so far it should also be evident that they will be fixed sooner rather than later.
WoW for example was plagued with launch problems of a far greater magnitude but they didnt' stop me loving the game. They frustrated me because I wanted to get back in and have fun. I'd actually forgotten how bad things were back then until I read this article recently - http://www.tentonhammer.com/wow/editorial/remembering-the-launch-of-wow - and it all came back to me. I think the list of issues Arena have to deal with is far less daunting.
Poking fun of people who aren't as cynical and analytical about the game and the state of MMO's as you are because they are having fun and enjoying themselves isn't really rational, which is kind of ironic. And being 'sick' of other people enjoying something is a bit of a worry. And it's an affliction that seems to be very common here.
Well, you're definitely right that a lack of rational thought has never been a prevalent virtue in the community. It just seems to me like its gotten far far worse in the past few years. I'm not sure if its the crap economy, the fact that politically the world seems to be a lot less partisan (i.e. its become more "you're x and im y so EVERYTHING you say is wrong" vs "your x and im y and although i generally disagree with you, this particular thing you suggested has some merit). It could also just be standard fanboism. I think the apple generation has become more prevalent and these people seem to be more "with" the idea of identifying themselves by the products they use. Whereas maybe some of us older peeps don't that so much.
I definitely agree people are "overall" enjoying the game. And the reality we have to accept is that on forums, especially like these which are not game specific, you're going to only find the more... shall we say "passionate" people posting. The more backseat, play it closer to the vest types aren't going to really participate. So what ends up happening is you get a case of people drawing the false conclusion that the people over there screaming the loudest represent the entire community.
Its like assuming that because every guiness drinker you met was a "bro" college frat guy type, that you then start thinking that all guiness drinkers must be bro frat guys. Well, obviously thats not the case, but its the unfortunate tendency people have with their thought.
Thats why i was making my post, i just get frustrated (and i fall into the trap plenty often too) with the lack of mental restraint.
On another tangent it could be what i call the "pendulum swing". Someone says something negative about the game, so people feel like they have to say something that is positive on the opposite end of the spectrum to counteract the negativity karma brought on by the comment. Like there is some nebulous pool of water where if they let too many people take too much water out with their negative posts then the world will end. Kind of like you see on aggregate sites. Haters vote it 0, when it clearly doesnt deserve a 0, so the fans feel like they have to vote it 10 in order to make up for the 0s, when even if your a fan, it clearly doesnt deserve a 10.
Anyways, im rambling and ill shut up now.
Edit: I forgot to mention, i wanted to clarify, because it seems you got the impression i was referring to only the proponents of GW2 when i was talking about the lack of rational thought. I was actually referring to the overall Hype Train Vs Hater
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Excpet for the black lion trading, which can't stay up for more than 20 minutes. Or the mail system, which is down frequently, at least a few times a day.
Or how about the insane low WvW caps. 150 per server. You have a server with 2-3k consurrent LOGGED IN users, and the cap for WvW is 150. The queue times for this are INSANE. As in, some people never get in.
But yea, this game has no problems. I'm not gonna say the game is bad. It's really really good, when it works. Which is almost none of the time.
Excpet for the black lion trading, which can't stay up for more than 20 minutes. Or the mail system, which is down frequently, at least a few times a day.
Or how about the insane low WvW caps. 150 per server. You have a server with 2-3k consurrent LOGGED IN users, and the cap for WvW is 150. The queue times for this are INSANE. As in, some people never get in.
But yea, this game has no problems. I'm not gonna say the game is bad. It's really really good, when it works. Which is almost none of the time.
where are you getting these numbers from? also its over 100 per map.. there are 4 maps.. mail has been working all day long.. only issue has been TP which was up for about 6 hours and is now down again.. also been getting on and off lag but doesn't seem to stick around very long so that's good.... of course the game has problems its MASSIVE with tons of people trying to play at once in the same areas but nothing that keeps it from being a great game imho.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
I never liked GW. What I mean is, I appreciated it and thought it was a very good game, but it never appealed to me personally. I didn't like the lore much and it didn't feel like a virtual world, didn't really feel like an MMO but like an odd hybrid.
So I've been somewhat detached from the hype for GW2, just looking on.
But I've got to say: GW2 really is a fucking masterpiece. The attention to detail is astounding. The DEs work very well as a sort of half-way house between soloing and grouping. Even the personal story quests aren't too bad (I expected much, much worse). In fact the only thing that's bad is some of the dialogue and voice acting.
But most of all - the gameplay, the fluidity and responsiveness, the intrinsic addictiveness and trance-inducing essential MMO-ey-ness, are just awesome to behold. Not only that, but it's actually beautiful, visually and aurally.
The much-anticipated "WoW Killer" has arrived.
Well, of course that's always been a stupid concept really, but if it has any meaning at all (and ignoring the difference between p2p and b2p), the meaning is fulfilled in this game.
Amusing to see the "locusts" have descended though. Apparently the game isn't Jesus. Who would've thought, eh?
Very wise move to shut the forums down for launch, methinks.
You are joking right?? Masterpiece come on! AH broke to force people to spend real money on gems
Forums broke to keep the blind sheep blind
Mail broke
Guild features broke
Stuck in the overflow parking lot and cant group with friends or guild members
Broke or lack of endgame
Insane wait times for wvwvw
Lag
Repeative heart quest and DE
Nothing new at all I can keep going if you like Its fine you people enjoy the game its a descent game i agree nothing and I mean not even close to masterpiece.
I agrre with these points. It's a great game, yes certainly, masterpiece. No.
THE SECRET WORLD - PAY ONCE PLAY FOREVER - Give it a go!
I played WvWvW this afternoon, did some DEs, ran a dungeon, and sold some stuff on the TP. No overflow. No lag. Seems like it's getting better everyday. Everyone needs to chill out. You're going to give yourselves a heart attack. I love it. If you don't, go play something else.
I see some of the same names on every post that comes up, bashing it. Do you really have nothing better to do on this holiday weekend then constantly refresh your browser just to spew negativity? Go back to 9gag. Or better yet, go outside. Get a girlfriend. Do something else
The reason I thought my viewpoint might be of some slight interest is because, as I made clear in the OP, I didn't have a dog in the fight. I thought GW was ok, but never played it much beyond getting my money's worth for the box price.
I've just come off the back of TSW. Now that game, in comparable lingo, I would consider a "flawed gem". It's fundamentally a great, innovative game, and I wish FC well, and I'll certainly be checking back with it again. (It's a flawed gem because while what's there is top notch, there just isn't enough of it.)
So, that's to triangulate, and to say that basically GW2 has won me over.
i.e., the point of my post was that FWIW, GW2 has won me over as a neutral bystander.
And yes, I consider it a masterpiece despite the problems it's having at the moment. None of the problems it's seeing at the moment are truly major because they're not core gameplay problems, they're only happening to some people sporadically, and they will be sorted out. Teething troubles happen with every MMO, and there have been far, far worse launches than this.
But the lovingly-crafted world, the ultra-smooth gameplay experience, the clever build system, the variety of quest types, the extraordinary attention to detail, the important little innovations like un-griefability, etc., even the sheer size of the damn thing, etc., etc., make it something very special.
And again, I say all this as a non-prior-to-launch-GW2-fanboi, who's been won over.
oh yes but calling a product a 'master peice' when you've bairly opened the packing let alone consumed a good portion of its content merly gives off the impression that your an easily excitable youth who no doubts says the same thing every new game that comes out.
Originally posted by sadeyx oh yes but calling a product a 'master peice' when you've bairly opened the packing let alone consumed a good portion of its content merly gives off the impression that your an easily excitable youth who no doubts says the same thing every new game that comes out.
I don't need to eat the whole cake to know the cake is a masterpiece. Just one bite will tell me that.
Originally posted by sadeyx oh yes but calling a product a 'master peice' when you've bairly opened the packing let alone consumed a good portion of its content merly gives off the impression that your an easily excitable youth who no doubts says the same thing every new game that comes out.
I have not 'barely opened the packing' and I agree with the OP. The game in terms of scope, imagination, and, IMO, fun it IS a masterpiece.
The launch has NOT been a masterpiece though, but that's temporary and will be laughed about by vets in a few months.
I completely agree though. Even with all the hickups that would otherwise be game-breaking, (with everything else the game has they're barely an annoyance) GW2 is currently the best MMO on the market.. in just about every way imo. Nothing else comes close to offering what it does.
If WoW was released today even in its' entirety it would be f2p in 3 months. Why is it still such a big deal?
The reason I thought my viewpoint might be of some slight interest is because, as I made clear in the OP, I didn't have a dog in the fight. I thought GW was ok, but never played it much beyond getting my money's worth for the box price.
I've just come off the back of TSW. Now that game, in comparable lingo, I would consider a "flawed gem". It's fundamentally a great, innovative game, and I wish FC well, and I'll certainly be checking back with it again. (It's a flawed gem because while what's there is top notch, there just isn't enough of it.)
So, that's to triangulate, and to say that basically GW2 has won me over.
i.e., the point of my post was that FWIW, GW2 has won me over as a neutral bystander.
And yes, I consider it a masterpiece despite the problems it's having at the moment. None of the problems it's seeing at the moment are truly major because they're not core gameplay problems, they're only happening to some people sporadically, and they will be sorted out. Teething troubles happen with every MMO, and there have been far, far worse launches than this.
But the lovingly-crafted world, the ultra-smooth gameplay experience, the clever build system, the variety of quest types, the extraordinary attention to detail, the important little innovations like un-griefability, etc., even the sheer size of the damn thing, etc., etc., make it something very special.
And again, I say all this as a non-prior-to-launch-GW2-fanboi, who's been won over.
I liked the first game and have been following this one, I openly admit that, but I agree with your post here fully.
I've never seen so many people get genuinely angry at someone who enjoys something and decided to share their feelings.
I think more people should post about how much they love Guild Wars 2 and how it's the best thing since sliced bread, if for no other reason then to upset the wannabe hipsters around here.
Originally posted by sadeyx oh yes but calling a product a 'master peice' when you've bairly opened the packing let alone consumed a good portion of its content merly gives off the impression that your an easily excitable youth who no doubts says the same thing every new game that comes out.
No I don't actually. Of recent MMOs I've tried:-
Right out of the box, I knew TSW would have some fantastic moments (and it really, really does, everyone should try it, if only just for the first month, and to support some passionate developers in their innovative experiment) but would be too short.
Right out of the box, I knew SWTOR would also have some fantastic moments, but that the "standard MMO stuff" was poorly thought-out and there would be a backlash. The ability responsiveness problem out of the gate was also a warning sign - since such things should be number one priority, as they clearly have been in GW2.
Neither of these games have I called masterpieces, even though I had lots of fun and a "honeymoon phase" with both of them for a couple of months. They have good qualities, but they're lumpy and uneven in execution.
GW2 is of a piece, right out of the gate it's a whole game ready to play, with an astonishing amount of polish.
None of the problems it's having are problems with the core game itself, they're just teething problems, engineering problems that will probably be fixed in a few weeks at the outside.
It is without a doubt the overall best (themepark) MMO since WoW, the MMO that's mostly gotten more things right than any other since WoW.
As I said, I've never been a fanboi for the game prior to its launch, I say that as someone who's been won over.
I never liked GW. What I mean is, I appreciated it and thought it was a very good game, but it never appealed to me personally. I didn't like the lore much and it didn't feel like a virtual world, didn't really feel like an MMO but like an odd hybrid.
So I've been somewhat detached from the hype for GW2, just looking on.
But I've got to say: GW2 really is a fucking masterpiece. The attention to detail is astounding. The DEs work very well as a sort of half-way house between soloing and grouping. Even the personal story quests aren't too bad (I expected much, much worse). In fact the only thing that's bad is some of the dialogue and voice acting.
But most of all - the gameplay, the fluidity and responsiveness, the intrinsic addictiveness and trance-inducing essential MMO-ey-ness, are just awesome to behold. Not only that, but it's actually beautiful, visually and aurally.
The much-anticipated "WoW Killer" has arrived.
Well, of course that's always been a stupid concept really, but if it has any meaning at all (and ignoring the difference between p2p and b2p), the meaning is fulfilled in this game.
Amusing to see the "locusts" have descended though. Apparently the game isn't Jesus. Who would've thought, eh?
Very wise move to shut the forums down for launch, methinks.
Much anticipated by who?
It's irony. In my observation of MMO forums over the last half dozen years or so "WoW killer" is a trope that's been floating around a lot, and new MMOs have been unfairly judged as not matching up to the concept. I think the very idea is silly (nothing could possibly kill WoW at this stage, it will die by its own hand, and from people just finally getting sick of playing it), but my point is that if any game deserved the title so far, it's this game.
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I know it's not easy to grasp but it's been a game changer for the industry since before launch because of the stance this company took on how they won't rob their customers with subs and how the games should be fun and not work, which is why people started demanding more from the sub games they went back to after the BWEs and the stresstests. It was all over the various forums for these other titles. Guess you missed it. And that was before they left those games.
I dont think he's joking and do believe GW2 is a quality AAA product. Definitely better than TSW, TERRA and SWTOR put together. But just shows you we all have different opinions.
A broken AH honestly doesnt mean a game isnt a masterpiece, it just means certain functionality is not functioning. I understand that gets some of you kids upset. But honestly what are you going to do about it? Coming on here saying how much of an atrocity it is doesnt solve anything. You either have to live with (ANet will fix it) or play something else. Not sure why that is so hard undertand. The game isnt going to shut down because of it or these posts and more people are playing irregardless of the issues than not.
We all know this stuff happens during a launch. But I've been playing for nearly a week enjoying every minute of it even with the known issues. So how big of a deal is this really? (Outside of those who constantly complain about it here).
i dont know how many of you have ever ran a data center or a popular website, but I can tell you from personal experience its tough! No amount of planning ever preapares you for the real thing especially with the volume I assume GW2 is getting (a positive thing). When problems occur you try to fix them as fast as you can. Using these issues against the quality of the game is really senseless as it wont matter a year from now (unless they are not fixed by then - but thats another problem).
There is no end game in GW2. Burn that into your brain. And personally anyone who reaches max level in less than a week in launch is obviously not running through all of the content. Thats their perrogative, but at the same time you cant get upset that you have nothing to do when you ignore 90% in order to reach your goal of attaining max level. You rushed through it and I wont blame the developer for that.
Lets see where we are in October and/or November and then maybe I'll agree... but right now the game is working just fine for me understanding all the issues above are real.
Sorry to dissappoint you because of my taste in games. You dont sound like anything since you didnt present an argument. I'm over the whole infantile 'fanboy' term. It does nothing but promote ignorance, seeing how liking a game is a total opinion. And I was giving mine.
So someone who likes GW2 is a fanboy and someone who doesnt is a hater? And all according to your perception. Thats idiotic. How generalistic can you get?
Why dont you try tackling my points and then we'll talk.
TSW has better leveling content, SWTOR has better story and VO, Tera has better graphics and combat.
How is GW2 better than all those MMOs put together?
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i HIGHLY disagree with everything you said there.. but that's the great thing about opinions now isn't it?
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That's it? no videos?
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy"
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Yup, i agree.
having a blast in the game!
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Well, you're definitely right that a lack of rational thought has never been a prevalent virtue in the community. It just seems to me like its gotten far far worse in the past few years. I'm not sure if its the crap economy, the fact that politically the world seems to be a lot less partisan (i.e. its become more "you're x and im y so EVERYTHING you say is wrong" vs "your x and im y and although i generally disagree with you, this particular thing you suggested has some merit). It could also just be standard fanboism. I think the apple generation has become more prevalent and these people seem to be more "with" the idea of identifying themselves by the products they use. Whereas maybe some of us older peeps don't that so much.
I definitely agree people are "overall" enjoying the game. And the reality we have to accept is that on forums, especially like these which are not game specific, you're going to only find the more... shall we say "passionate" people posting. The more backseat, play it closer to the vest types aren't going to really participate. So what ends up happening is you get a case of people drawing the false conclusion that the people over there screaming the loudest represent the entire community.
Its like assuming that because every guiness drinker you met was a "bro" college frat guy type, that you then start thinking that all guiness drinkers must be bro frat guys. Well, obviously thats not the case, but its the unfortunate tendency people have with their thought.
Thats why i was making my post, i just get frustrated (and i fall into the trap plenty often too) with the lack of mental restraint.
On another tangent it could be what i call the "pendulum swing". Someone says something negative about the game, so people feel like they have to say something that is positive on the opposite end of the spectrum to counteract the negativity karma brought on by the comment. Like there is some nebulous pool of water where if they let too many people take too much water out with their negative posts then the world will end. Kind of like you see on aggregate sites. Haters vote it 0, when it clearly doesnt deserve a 0, so the fans feel like they have to vote it 10 in order to make up for the 0s, when even if your a fan, it clearly doesnt deserve a 10.
Anyways, im rambling and ill shut up now.
Edit: I forgot to mention, i wanted to clarify, because it seems you got the impression i was referring to only the proponents of GW2 when i was talking about the lack of rational thought. I was actually referring to the overall Hype Train Vs Hater
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It's a masterpiece.
Excpet for the black lion trading, which can't stay up for more than 20 minutes. Or the mail system, which is down frequently, at least a few times a day.
Or how about the insane low WvW caps. 150 per server. You have a server with 2-3k consurrent LOGGED IN users, and the cap for WvW is 150. The queue times for this are INSANE. As in, some people never get in.
But yea, this game has no problems. I'm not gonna say the game is bad. It's really really good, when it works. Which is almost none of the time.
where are you getting these numbers from? also its over 100 per map.. there are 4 maps.. mail has been working all day long.. only issue has been TP which was up for about 6 hours and is now down again.. also been getting on and off lag but doesn't seem to stick around very long so that's good.... of course the game has problems its MASSIVE with tons of people trying to play at once in the same areas but nothing that keeps it from being a great game imho.
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I agrre with these points. It's a great game, yes certainly, masterpiece. No.
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I played WvWvW this afternoon, did some DEs, ran a dungeon, and sold some stuff on the TP. No overflow. No lag. Seems like it's getting better everyday. Everyone needs to chill out. You're going to give yourselves a heart attack. I love it. If you don't, go play something else.
I see some of the same names on every post that comes up, bashing it. Do you really have nothing better to do on this holiday weekend then constantly refresh your browser just to spew negativity? Go back to 9gag. Or better yet, go outside. Get a girlfriend. Do something else
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The reason I thought my viewpoint might be of some slight interest is because, as I made clear in the OP, I didn't have a dog in the fight. I thought GW was ok, but never played it much beyond getting my money's worth for the box price.
I've just come off the back of TSW. Now that game, in comparable lingo, I would consider a "flawed gem". It's fundamentally a great, innovative game, and I wish FC well, and I'll certainly be checking back with it again. (It's a flawed gem because while what's there is top notch, there just isn't enough of it.)
So, that's to triangulate, and to say that basically GW2 has won me over.
i.e., the point of my post was that FWIW, GW2 has won me over as a neutral bystander.
And yes, I consider it a masterpiece despite the problems it's having at the moment. None of the problems it's seeing at the moment are truly major because they're not core gameplay problems, they're only happening to some people sporadically, and they will be sorted out. Teething troubles happen with every MMO, and there have been far, far worse launches than this.
But the lovingly-crafted world, the ultra-smooth gameplay experience, the clever build system, the variety of quest types, the extraordinary attention to detail, the important little innovations like un-griefability, etc., even the sheer size of the damn thing, etc., etc., make it something very special.
And again, I say all this as a non-prior-to-launch-GW2-fanboi, who's been won over.
I don't need to eat the whole cake to know the cake is a masterpiece. Just one bite will tell me that.
I have not 'barely opened the packing' and I agree with the OP. The game in terms of scope, imagination, and, IMO, fun it IS a masterpiece.
The launch has NOT been a masterpiece though, but that's temporary and will be laughed about by vets in a few months.
Finally a post to piss off the haters xD
I completely agree though. Even with all the hickups that would otherwise be game-breaking, (with everything else the game has they're barely an annoyance) GW2 is currently the best MMO on the market.. in just about every way imo. Nothing else comes close to offering what it does.
If WoW was released today even in its' entirety it would be f2p in 3 months.
Why is it still such a big deal?
I liked the first game and have been following this one, I openly admit that, but I agree with your post here fully.
I've never seen so many people get genuinely angry at someone who enjoys something and decided to share their feelings.
I think more people should post about how much they love Guild Wars 2 and how it's the best thing since sliced bread, if for no other reason then to upset the wannabe hipsters around here.
its full of boring PVE and queue tiems of over 3 horus for WvWvW pvp awesome..
No I don't actually. Of recent MMOs I've tried:-
Right out of the box, I knew TSW would have some fantastic moments (and it really, really does, everyone should try it, if only just for the first month, and to support some passionate developers in their innovative experiment) but would be too short.
Right out of the box, I knew SWTOR would also have some fantastic moments, but that the "standard MMO stuff" was poorly thought-out and there would be a backlash. The ability responsiveness problem out of the gate was also a warning sign - since such things should be number one priority, as they clearly have been in GW2.
Neither of these games have I called masterpieces, even though I had lots of fun and a "honeymoon phase" with both of them for a couple of months. They have good qualities, but they're lumpy and uneven in execution.
GW2 is of a piece, right out of the gate it's a whole game ready to play, with an astonishing amount of polish.
None of the problems it's having are problems with the core game itself, they're just teething problems, engineering problems that will probably be fixed in a few weeks at the outside.
It is without a doubt the overall best (themepark) MMO since WoW, the MMO that's mostly gotten more things right than any other since WoW.
As I said, I've never been a fanboi for the game prior to its launch, I say that as someone who's been won over.
It's irony. In my observation of MMO forums over the last half dozen years or so "WoW killer" is a trope that's been floating around a lot, and new MMOs have been unfairly judged as not matching up to the concept. I think the very idea is silly (nothing could possibly kill WoW at this stage, it will die by its own hand, and from people just finally getting sick of playing it), but my point is that if any game deserved the title so far, it's this game.