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Minnesota School Shooting. 8 Dead. Who else is tired of blaming ourselves?
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Minneapolis (WCCO) Eight are dead and as many as 18 people injured in an afternoon shooting at Red Lake High School on the Red Lake Indian Reservation, about 240 miles north of Minneapolis.Local Fire Director Roman Stately said that the suspect shot his grandfather and his grandfathers wife before heading to the school and shooting people there.
Rebecca Trylch, a reporter from the Lakeland Public TV said hundreds of people were outside the hospital waiting for information.
Two area hospitals are reportedly helping the wounded victims.
The FBI is on the scene and investigating the shooting. A news conference is scheduled shortly.
Highway 89 and County road 15 are closed to keep anyone from coming or going to the reservation.
Governor Pawlenty issued a statement Monday evening.
"With profound sorrow, the First Lady and I extend our heartfelt prayers and condolences to the families who lost loved ones in this senseless tragedy. We ask Minnesotans to help comfort the families and friends of the victims who are suffering unimaginable pain by extending prayers and expressions of support."
This is the second school shooting in Minnesota in recent years. Two students were killed in a September 2003 shooting at Rocori High School in central Minnesota. Jason McLaughlin is awaiting trial in the case.
Stay tuned to WCCO.COM and WCCO-TV at 10 for more information.
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
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http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=32082
I just read about this there. What I find interesting is that the FBI says that "the shooter is no longer a threat". Seems like somewhat vague wording. Can't wait for the anti-violence in media slander to start being thrown around.
But, this is a tragedy, I feel for all the families who have been effected by the senseless acts of one disgruntled human.
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i personally believe all thigns like this are a tradegy. then in my mind i put things in perspective. even 90 years about 1/4 children died of smallpox, poleo and other "prevented" diseases now. im not saying this isnt sad. but i still think these are better i think in fact as time goes on we are fartehr from the end of the world talked about in revelation.
we get better as a society, when my dad was in high school at albuquerque we had the number 1 crime rate in both minors and adults. and that accumulated in more deaths then things like this have in 10 years or so.
but if u look at Britain and Japan, both of which have basically no deaths from gun incidents a year, maybe under a 1000 for each. the reason this happens is because there arent guns in those nations, and not even the cops carry guns.
riotgirl can back me up on this.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
Who else is tired of blaming ourselves?
What's that mean? Just curious.
then in my mind i put things in perspective. even 90 years about 1/4 children died of smallpox, poleo and other "prevented" diseases now
I agree that life, in most places, is given more of a chance than it was long ago. Look at the Black Death. Its effects were horrid. Whole villages turned into ghost towns. There are still many diseases and very serious ones such as AIDs (which I think is continually on the rise).
I think I may have heard of this shooting. It might be the third that I've heard of reported anyway. And sorry to say, but I think we all know that this will continue until it's pretty much routine. Anyone have a school which has scans and possibly searches yet? I've heard that some schools may have implemented "searches". The highschool that I went to didn't because we don't have a large population where I live so there's less chance of things happening in general.
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When you see the flashing lights, the stretchers filled with bloody bodies, the suspect lying dead on the ground and the principle stating to the press with tears streaming down her face that "If we did things different, things would have changed" followed by names in the paper of bullies, misconduct in teachers, and school board accusings on counselors. I am tired, sick and tired of this "It is our fault this happened" nonsence. When can there just be section 18 in the bunch? It is not how to goddamn student takes it; it is how he uses it.
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as some of you might have previously figured out my mother is a pyscho genious. i think the reason most pyschos fail is because they cant manage to stay under the radar. its pyschos that shoot up schools that worry me because they stay under the radar just long enough then go out with a bang.
unfortunately pyschology is a very very imperfect art, it doesnt take so much about human nature into account. and the main problem is that pyschologists themselves are human and therefore suffer these sames flaws that the whole field is vastly underequiped.
that being said i think the whole problem right now is the fact, that our society has grown so lazy that we all feel unnoticed, but most people dont mind this most people just like to live in peave. it is those people who feel the need to be noticed that are out greatest threat and our greatest ally. what do you call Alexander the great, napoleon, george washington. all men who definetly wanted to be noticed i know this is a fact for george washington simple because it woudl have been best for him to not to realize his name to the public in order to keep both the new government adn his own family safe.
these are the men taht tried to make a positive effect on the world. even napoleon was trying to unite people to stop wars between france and england.
and then we have a long list of notorious bad guys. i list them in the order of who was worst.
1. Stalin, possible killed more people then hitler, but left middle east, and half of europe in totaly anarchy for 30 years.
2. hitler, self explanitory
3.J edgar hoover, former american leader of FBI, definetly linked to thousands of civil rights violations through wire taps, spying, etc. suspected involvement in death of Marilyn Monroe(i think i spelled it right), order at least 5 illegal government hits on certain mofia, and communist figures inside america.
4. Martha Stewart, trying to take over world by getting all of our credit card information through bugs in all of her interior design products. once she has all our identities will use all our funds to build army to take over world.
5. Walmart, now leading supplier of firearms, and knives inside the united states. could take over US if they really wanted to.
ok i was halfway joking on numbers 4 and 5.
but the point is people simple want to get noted and to be famous these kids who shoot schools want to do it the negative way. even if they say they have other motives its all about the attention.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
That is the only reason why there is less shooting becouse there are not guns. I think if yoou gave some a gun they will also start shooting and that is most of the time, becouse they got teased or even beaten up at school. It is a shame it has to happen, becouse of the death and becouse poeple are going to say that it comes from aggression on TV....wake up folks....a generation before us started a world war...and a generation before that also started a world war and then we are aggresive
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even if they say they have other motives its all about the attention.
I'd say it's likely linked to revenge. If it's all about attention then I'm sure they could find something more productive to do to get attention and positive attention at that rather than murdering a bunch of people and then committing suicide.
I'd rather that they had pepper-sprayed whoever was getting on their nerves and then beat them up than kill them and a number of others who were possibly not even involved in any way. At any rate, fighting seldomly solves any situation. If you start a fight out of revenge then the other person will seek revenge and then you'll seek revenge again, etc. etc. I'd say confront whoever is annoying you and then try to resolve it openly and bluntly. Never act on anger - much less rage and depression.
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I know about how school is, walking to it all the time and always dealing with social problems in the school and trying to keep your grades up and satifying your friends or at least getting a friend to look at you. I personally think its primary cause is social behaviors in school systems, if you go out in the hall and see a crowd on one side and another on the other.
Usually means somethings up there, and if one is moving over to taunt or w/e then it's a risky situation. I remember that our teachers we're always ALWAYS watching everyone in the halls and seeing how the general mood of the time, I respect alot of those teachers for what they did and how they handled the rough situations given to them. My school had alot of fights but, nothing to severe lucky for us that it didn't get as bad.
But problems like this are sometimes a result of drugs/alchohol/abuse and if a teacher is aware of it they are required by law to inform the police inorder to prevent a even worse situation from happening. Its not that they want to create more problems, its that they want to prevent these things and be as cataring to the troubled person as much as possible. Even though these problems are still happening the work force of the U.S. is doing all they can to keep this from repeating.
It's sad how people who are self-destructive feel the need to destroy others as well. He was active in a neo-Nazi organization before his death, and was very consumed with hatred. The first 2 he killed were his own grandparents before he even went to the school. There's now at least 9 dead, though my local paper puts the number at 10 (I live about 100 miles from there, and many of the injured were flown here for treatment as it's the largest city in the area).
Quotes from local paper: "Witnesses said Jeff Weise grinned and waved to others as he fired inside Red Lake High School," ""You could hear a girl saying, 'No, Jeff. Quit! Quit! Leave me alone. Why are you doing this?' Boom, boom, boom, and then no more screaming," "
This is a person with no human emotion left in him.
Local newspaper story is at http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=86589§ion=News (where the above quotes come from), though registration may be required. Other stories at http://www.in-forum.com
How much do you want to bet that some group, member of congress, senator, etc. is going to try and pin this on kids playing video games again. They will see some clip in a video game that looks remotely like what the kid did and try and pin it on the gaming industry, yet again.
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no dude they cant get positive attention, or at least they feel that way. the kids who did columbine, parents were never home and were always working or out of town. and they were unpopular in school.
and if this was about revenge it would be more revenge "the cask of amantadlo(mispelled???)" style. revenge has so many better ways of being accomplished. they could humuliateh the people make them feel like they did if htey really wanted revenge thats what they would do bring them into their own personal hell.
these people were here to have two objectives when they did the shooting. 1. revenge 2. Get attention in their last act, leave their mark on the world. if they were out for revenge their are so many better ways to accomplish it. read edgar allen poe and ull see that.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
these people were here to have two objectives when they did the shooting. 1. revenge 2. Get attention in their last act
I agree with you here because it, in part, is what I've been thinking. But who's to affirm the real motives behind his actions? Did he kill himself? Not sure if he did or not. If he did then here's my take on it:
He gets really angered and/or depressed by something at home and fed up with the people at school that he might have been able to deal with if it were not for what possibly happened at home. He kills his grandparents and goes to school and kills those who have offended him there. He's upset by the carnage he's caused and sees no future for himself and his conscience weighs heavy on him so he kills himself. That's my typical view of anything of that sort that ends in a suicide. I haven't been following this story closely at all though so it's more of an opinion and less of facts.
I, personally, have never wanted attention enough to even contemplate killing someone else for it, but I've had a decent life and certainly not everyone's the same. That could very well be one possibility - lack of attention.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
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Y'all took the words right out of my mouth. I'm moving to canada by the way. No, strike that... bermuda.
Damn video games
i think that it killing is just out of perspective to these guys, which is not a problem with video games, or other media. its a pysche problem kind of like how some people cant appreciate the value of money. these guys prolly were never watched as children and tortured animals and as such they never appreciated the value of life.
so video games cant be the problem its the pysche reacting to the video games. so as such they see killing as nothing different then killing things in video games or particularly in movies. so vidoe games themselves arent the problem. its the pysche reacting with the video game.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
Interestingly enough, the UK also had a much lower rate of gun deaths BEFORE they banned guns. They also have a much lower rate of stabbing deaths even though knives are legal. There are also countries with higher gun ownership rates than the US that have much lower murder rates.
Blaming guns is as stupid as blaming video games.
seriously though, for the love of god, why dont you (america) just ban guns? Why do you cling to that wild west mentality? And dont give me that crap about "its my human right to be packing arms". How many more lives are your "freedom" gonna cost? Its time to give NRA the big boot!
No, I dont thing the mere presence of guns is the pure reason things like this happend, there's other social/psycologial (maybe even economical) reasons for that. But the way the world looks today, things like this will always occur as long as there is no real problem to get your hands on a gun. But I guess you've heard these things a million times before and you just sigh and think "another smart-ass european".
Interestingly enough, the UK also had a much lower rate of gun deaths BEFORE they banned guns. They also have a much lower rate of stabbing deaths even though knives are legal. There are also countries with higher gun ownership rates than the US that have much lower murder rates.
Blaming guns is as stupid as blaming video games.
We have it about kids and shooting as if you ban guns it will be harder for a kid to find a gun in his daddy weapon locker...or his drawer
The places with the highest murder rates in the US are those with the strictest gun laws. Guns are used in self defense 2,000,000+ times a year. When the government tries to take away guns, it is time for those with guns to remake the government. That is why the second ammendment exists.
new info. on this i just heard on the news 2 minutes ago.
The kids was 16 and named "Jeff some last name that began with and R"(i forogt the last name)
he was a indian kid who lived on a indian reservation, yet several students say he posted on several neo nazi sights. this in particular surprised me. but not surprizingly everyone is saying he was anti social and the normal blah blah.
7 casualties and 18 wounded is the latest stats, and he supposedly asked a student "do you believe in god" right before he shot her. then after all this he killed himself.
edit heres a link http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7259823/
and theres something about his grandpa in there.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.