I hope the downscaling gets tweeked. As it stands, I am not 1-shotting things, but I am 3 shotting them.
I WANTED to be able to go to lower lvl zones and still have a challenge, right now as it stands there is no challenge. I was slightly disappointed, but meh. Small flaw in an otherwise great game.
Why do you ask some people won't admit that it is not working as previously intended? Because they will not admit their precious isn't so precious after all.
You are seriously over exaggerating OP, mobs do drop loot that scales to your level and in WoW they wouldn't even be able to hit you while you could 1 hit them with your auto-attack.
Yes it's much easier, but not to the level that you are suggesting.
So you guys can admit that its easier but not admit the system doesn't work? Even though the system was designed so that content would not be trivial?
Down-Leveling syetem: To make all content always require effort.
Down-Leveling system: Does not make all content always require effort.
Dwon-Level system - working as intended?
How?
See that tricky little word 'all?' That's how I know you're not being honest. Certainly not in light of ANet's stated goal and purpose which was to make the lower level zones remain relevant to players who have out-leveled them.
You can still be killed. But you're much more powerful so it's more difficult for you to be killed. Unike most MMOs where the starter area mobs can't even hurt you.
And it's not like they have never bothered to explain it...:
Ok so I recently hit level 80. I finished up my main story quest minus the dungeon boss at the end.
I enjoy exploration, so I decided I'd go back and explore all of the zones I missed on my way to 80. I figured with this amazing level scaling system, these zones would still provide challenges and I'd get to explore.
I was half right. You can definitely go back and explore zones, same as you can in any other game. Where I was wrong was thinking it would be any challenge at all. I have yet to find a mob, Veteran, Champion, Group Event, or otherwise that isn't absolutely demolished by Hundred Blades even though I am scaled to their level. I literally feel like a level 85 running around in the lvl 10 zones in World of Warcraft demolishing everything in my path.
So I ask, what's the point of level scaling? Events give about 2k xp, compared to 18-20k at my real level. Items that drop are based on the zones level, not yours.
The only events that I know of to have scalable loot are the later on dragon meta events - The Shatterer, etc.
Not true at all. I'm level 65 in a 30-40 zones and mobs drop gear around level 50, sometimes lower, sometimes higher.
As for you thinkin it would be a challenge... well I'm level 65 and hundred blades pretty much takes a level 65 mob down to 20% or lower health. The skill itself is OP. You want a challenge , try rolling another class or another weapon set.
You are seriously over exaggerating OP, mobs do drop loot that scales to your level and in WoW they wouldn't even be able to hit you while you could 1 hit them with your auto-attack.
Yes it's much easier, but not to the level that you are suggesting.
So you guys can admit that its easier but not admit the system doesn't work? Even though the system was designed so that content would not be trivial?
Down-Leveling syetem: To make all content always require effort.
Down-Leveling system: Does not make all content always require effort.
Dwon-Level system - working as intended?
How?
See that tricky little word 'all?' That's how I know you're not being honest. Certainly not in light of ANet's stated goal and purpose which was to make the lower level zones remain relevant to players who have out-leveled them.
You can still be killed. But you're much more powerful so it's more difficult for you to be killed. Unike most MMOs where the starter area mobs can't even hurt you.
And it's not like they have never bothered to explain it...:
, BUT SHOULD STILL BE CHALLENGING TO PLAY.
Yea, this was my point all along.
A point you tried to make by using starter zones as your main grounding. Sorry, but can't take you seriously with that kind of information.
Ok so I recently hit level 80. I finished up my main story quest minus the dungeon boss at the end.
I enjoy exploration, so I decided I'd go back and explore all of the zones I missed on my way to 80. I figured with this amazing level scaling system, these zones would still provide challenges and I'd get to explore.
I was half right. You can definitely go back and explore zones, same as you can in any other game. Where I was wrong was thinking it would be any challenge at all. I have yet to find a mob, Veteran, Champion, Group Event, or otherwise that isn't absolutely demolished by Hundred Blades even though I am scaled to their level. I literally feel like a level 85 running around in the lvl 10 zones in World of Warcraft demolishing everything in my path.
So I ask, what's the point of level scaling? Events give about 2k xp, compared to 18-20k at my real level. Items that drop are based on the zones level, not yours.
The only events that I know of to have scalable loot are the later on dragon meta events - The Shatterer, etc.
I had a couple zones going back that gave me loot for my level on like a level 15 event.
You can get gear at your level wherever you go, but crafting supplies will stay unique to that level of the zone.
I gotta ask where you even went, because if you really thought that the lower level zones would be harder or as hard as the higher level ones... then you're clearly mistaken. They scaled combat up as you went, so after having that combat scaled back down, of course it will seem easier, not sure what you were expecting at all... But if you pull 20+ mobs in a normal game at a place thats even only 10 lvls below you, you will dodge almost every attack and they hit you for barely anything if they do, then you blow on them and they are gone. If scaling meant nothing, then lower level dungeons would be a joke as well, which is not the case. So honestly think about what you are writing, before your write it. Did you expect a challenge when you were in a lvl 30 and lower zone before, why would now be any different?
I believe the argument to "why would now would be any different" is because that is what the point of level scaling was suppose to be, we were tolld you can go back to any zone you missed and have it still be challenging. Without that level scaling is kind of a joke, basically it equates to putting someone in a 1 on 1 match with Kobi Bryant and saying here you start with 10 points now its a fair match.
You are seriously over exaggerating OP, mobs do drop loot that scales to your level and in WoW they wouldn't even be able to hit you while you could 1 hit them with your auto-attack.
Yes it's much easier, but not to the level that you are suggesting.
So you guys can admit that its easier but not admit the system doesn't work? Even though the system was designed so that content would not be trivial?
Down-Leveling syetem: To make all content always require effort.
Down-Leveling system: Does not make all content always require effort.
Dwon-Level system - working as intended?
How?
See that tricky little word 'all?' That's how I know you're not being honest. Certainly not in light of ANet's stated goal and purpose which was to make the lower level zones remain relevant to players who have out-leveled them.
You can still be killed. But you're much more powerful so it's more difficult for you to be killed. Unike most MMOs where the starter area mobs can't even hurt you.
And it's not like they have never bothered to explain it...:
, BUT SHOULD STILL BE CHALLENGING TO PLAY.
Yea, this was my point all along.
A point you tried to make by using starter zones as your main grounding. Sorry, but can't take you seriously with that kind of information.
I actually moved on to a level 40 zone just to check out your theory. Do mobs have more HP than lower level zones? Yep. Do I still kill them 10x faster than I did at that level? Yep. Do I have any worries of dying no matter how much of something I pull? Nope.
Does this defeat the entire purpose of level scaling? Yep.
I'll let ya know as soon as I see a lvl 70+ item drop. Don't hold your breath.
Once again, nothing that I posted in my OP was an opinion besides the title. It was simply observations. The level scaling system doesn't work as was intended, this is all I was stating and I backed it up by actual observations rather than conjecture based on Arena Net Developers manifesto.
It works exactly as intended. They have spelled it out, in black-and-white, how it works. Just because YOU failed to comprehend what the developer said, doesn't mean it's not working. Once again:
In PvE, a character's effective level and attributes are automatically reduced based on the enemy levels immediately around the player, and there can be numerous level scalings per area/zone. They retain access to all of their skills and equipment so the area is easier because of this, but should still be challenging to play. [ED -- This means you can die at high level in a starter zone if you're a fool, unlike most MMOs where, even if the mobs aggroed on you, your damage mitigation alone makes it impossible.]
The benefits of this are:
high level characters are prevented from killing enemies too easily and depriving low level characters of rewards;
low level content doesn't become obsolete once a character reaches a higher level.
A scaled down character continues to receive experience and loot that is 'good' for their real level, but it is somewhat less efficient for obtaining experience and items than playing level-appropriate content.
Notice they said 'good' AND they tell you it's not nearly as efficient. And it's true. I have gone back to starter areas with friends. The gear is not nearly (on average) as good but I have gotten a few level-appropriate greens (masterwork) items. The XP is lower (about one-third-ish...). The challenge is less, but if you're a fool you can get yourself killed.
It would be nice if you actually understood the goals and desigh of the system you're criticizing. Because clearly you don't. The goal is simple -- no face-roll XP farming, no farming elite drops by exploiting the system, BUT, you get some reward and challenge out of lower-level areas allowing you to, with one character, experience a very broad world.
Once again, nothing that I posted in my OP was an opinion besides the title. It was simply observations. The level scaling system doesn't work as was intended, this is all I was stating and I backed it up by actual observations rather than conjecture based on Arena Net Developers manifesto.
It works exactly as intended. They have spelled it out, in black-and-white, how it works. Just because YOU failed to comprehend what the developer said, doesn't mean it's not working. Once again:
In PvE, a character's effective level and attributes are automatically reduced based on the enemy levels immediately around the player, and there can be numerous level scalings per area/zone. They retain access to all of their skills and equipment so the area is easier because of this, but should still be challenging to play. [ED -- This means you can die at high level in a starter zone if you're a fool, unlike most MMOs where, even if the mobs aggroed on you, your damage mitigation alone makes it impossible.]
The benefits of this are:
high level characters are prevented from killing enemies too easily and depriving low level characters of rewards;
low level content doesn't become obsolete once a character reaches a higher level.
A scaled down character continues to receive experience and loot that is 'good' for their real level, but it is somewhat less efficient for obtaining experience and items than playing level-appropriate content.
Notice they said 'good' AND they tell you it's not nearly as efficient. And it's true. I have gone back to starter areas with friends. The gear is not nearly (on average) as good but I have gotten a few level-appropriate greens (masterwork) items. The XP is lower (about one-third-ish...). The challenge is less, but if you're a fool you can get yourself killed.
It would be nice if you actually understood the goals and desigh of the system you're criticizing. Because clearly you don't. The goal is simple -- no face-roll XP farming, no farming elite drops by exploiting the system, BUT, you get some reward and challenge out of lower-level areas allowing you to, with one character, experience a very broad world.
Quote; [ED -- This means you can die at high level in a starter zone if you're a fool, unlike most MMOs where, even if the mobs aggroed on you, your damage mitigation alone makes it impossible.]
You have a very skewed idea of what "challenging" means.
I actually moved on to a level 40 zone just to check out your theory. Do mobs have more HP than lower level zones? Yep. Do I still kill them 10x faster than I did at that level? Yep. Do I have any worries of dying no matter how much of something I pull? Nope.
Does this defeat the entire purpose of level scaling? Yep.
I'll let ya know as soon as I see a lvl 70+ item drop. Don't hold your breath.
No you don't. I know it. You know it. Everyone that reads your hyperbole and has played this games knows it. Enjoy your QQ. I've got better things to do than argue with someone who is clearly telling tales.
To me it's not a joke at all, it's brilliant in it's implementation. I am, however, not 80 yet, I am only 33. So I will come back when I am higher and report if I feel the same as i do now.
For now, at 33, I have like 10 or 11 zones that I can level in at any given moment, as well as 5 cities to explore and hang out in. And all of it still presents a challenge and all of it still presents meaningful loot for my level. Each of those 10 leveling zones has a lot of content too and I am deeply immersed in the game world.
So for me it's a great feature so far. Hopefully it stays this way. Maybe they have to adjust the downward scaling of some skills to keep it challenging...
I would imagine that if you equipped green or blue gear quite a few lvls below you things would be different.
The lvl scaling seems percentage based.
I assume at 80 you are in either yellow or orange lvl 80 gear, nicely glyphed to boot?
Most people while leveling are not in in equal lvl rare or exotics.
Probably meaning that your stats as a lvled down 20 something is way beyond that of an actual lvl 20 something.
I do not see a way to change the scaling system without making everything impossible to beat unless your gear is very very good at all lvls.
Making lvl 80 characters scale differently then 1-79 would be sort of a solution but that actually seems unfair to the lvl 80 crowd.
What solution to this would be acceptable?
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I agree with you, content should be more challenging than 1-3 shotting mobs no matter what the discrepancy on a normal basis (OP skills aside). Start or add to threads on GW2 Guru and Reddit, places we know ANet watches, and link it to us. I guarantee 99% of us here will add or at least look. What you're doing now is venting which I can see but not so effective.
That is unless linking those sites is against ToS here, then don't. I'm horrible about knowing those.
I would imagine that if you equipped green or blue gear quite a few lvls below you things would be different.
The lvl scaling seems percentage based.
I assume at 80 you are in either yellow or orange lvl 80 gear, nicely glyphed to boot?
Most people while leveling are not in in equal lvl rare or exotics.
Probably meaning that your stats as a lvled down 20 something is way beyond that of an actual lvl 20 something.
I do not see a way to change the scaling system without making everything impossible to beat unless your gear is very very good at all lvls.
Making lvl 80 characters scale differently then 1-79 would be sort of a solution but that actually seems unfair to the lvl 80 crowd.
What solution to this would be acceptable?
Easy way to change it would be use a cap system instead of a % system. So instead of cutting that 200 power in quarter to 50 for a level 20 zone just look at what level 20 gear gives players, lets say 30 power for example(I made up that number btw) then cap power at 30 for level 20 scaled zones. This would be a lot more accurate then a % scaling system since % don't go up equally through the levels, it would however be much more work I'm sure.
I am done replying to GW2 threads I think. I must have missed being hit by the hypnotoad that zapped people into this GW2 state of mind because, in defense they prove that what they saying is wrong but still continue to ignore fact that they proved their oppositions point.
It can't be easy and yet still hard.
You can't kill steal in GW2 so what is this point about preventing players from griefing lower levels?
The content is still blown though because it is easier anyways so again what is the point of this system?
You are rewarding higher lvl players in lower level zones in a system designed to prevent higher lvl players from camping lower level zones..... what? Yes the system is partly deisgned to stop higher levels from griefing lower levels as they said that right? If the content offered no rewards you'd think that would be a better method than giving them rewards.... but hey I'm sure this all makes sense to anyone having a blast in GW2 so what other people think is irrelevant.
GW2 is a great game. It's has its flaws like every game before it and hopefully they get fixed instead of being ignored untill everyone just gets tired of the game and quits.
I am done replying to GW2 threads I think. I must have missed being hit by the hypnotoad that zapped people into this GW2 state of mind because, in defense they prove that what they saying is wrong but still continue to ignore fact that they proved their oppositions point.
It can't be easy and yet still hard.
You can't kill steal in GW2 so what is this point about preventing players from griefing lower levels?
The content is still blown though because it is easier anyways so again what is the point of this system?
You are rewarding higher lvl players in lower level zones in a system designed to prevent higher lvl players from camping lower level zones..... what? Yes the system is partly deisgned to stop higher levels from griefing lower levels as they said that right? If the content offered no rewards you'd think that would be a better method than giving them rewards.... but hey I'm sure this all makes sense to anyone having a blast in GW2 so what other people think is irrelevant.
GW2 is a great game. It's has its flaws like every game before it and hopefully they get fixed instead of being ignored untill everyone just gets tired of the game and quits.
Its pretty easy to see whats happening. People play the game, have a valid concern, back up valid concern with what they found in the game, and are belittled by people who have been reading developer hype rather than actually playing.
They already have a % in place for base stat scaling and there is already a % discrepancy between tiers of gear (13%) so they already have a stat "weight" for condition/boon #'s. It shouldn't be game braking to shave a % of gear stats when deleveling.
I would imagine that if you equipped green or blue gear quite a few lvls below you things would be different.
The lvl scaling seems percentage based.
I assume at 80 you are in either yellow or orange lvl 80 gear, nicely glyphed to boot?
Most people while leveling are not in in equal lvl rare or exotics.
Probably meaning that your stats as a lvled down 20 something is way beyond that of an actual lvl 20 something.
I do not see a way to change the scaling system without making everything impossible to beat unless your gear is very very good at all lvls.
Making lvl 80 characters scale differently then 1-79 would be sort of a solution but that actually seems unfair to the lvl 80 crowd.
What solution to this would be acceptable?
Easy way to change it would be use a cap system instead of a % system. So instead of cutting that 200 power in quarter to 50 for a level 20 zone just look at what level 20 gear gives players, lets say 30 power for example(I made up that number btw) then cap power at 30 for level 20 scaled zones. This would be a lot more accurate then a % scaling system since % don't go up equally through the levels, it would however be much more work I'm sure.
Not a bad solution, but the cap would have to be the the highest possible you can get with "legit" gear.
As a lvl 20 in all lvl 20 rares, not sure if there are lvl 20 exotics, never seen one drop for sure ( I am lvl 54 only BTW )
Kind of negating a lot of that system, but not all of it, so your idea is a start.
Second step would perhaps be to scale traits differently, at lvl 80 you probably have 2x30 traits giving you 300+ in a bunch of main stats.
Even scaled down that is a lot of stat points a player at appropriate lvl do not have access to!
At my lvl though, and I clear every zone I am in, at lvl 54 I have perhaps done 5 hearts in lvl 35+ zones, I do not "pwn" mobs if I am scaled down 20 levels.
So for those of us still trying to lvl I think the current system is great.
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They already have a % in place for base stat scaling and there is already a % discrepancy between tiers of gear (13%) so they already have a stat "weight" for condition/boon #'s. It shouldn't be game braking to shave a % of gear stats when deleveling.
and what would happen if they did that? people would be on here bitching the game has no sense of power progression... It's a middle ground they found... The amount of armchair developers on here is getting crazy
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Lower level zones don't just have lower level content, they have EASIER content...on purpose.
The content is made easier because...
1. Players of that level don't have the skills/traits that high level people have.
2. It just makes sense that the game should become more challenging as your move up in level.
So I mean, yeah, if you take your fully traited and skilled level 80 into a level 10 zone, it's going to be easier. What else would you expect ? The content there is designed so that level 3's with only auto-attack unlocked can handle it.
It would be the same progression as there is already /shrug. Now I will agree that anything is a basis for complaining but armchair developing is a lot better than former.
Personally I am 27 so even going back to most content I don't notice a difference.
Lower level zones don't just have lower level content, they have EASIER content...on purpose.
The content is made easier because...
1. Players of that level don't have the skills/traits that high level people have.
2. It just makes sense that the game should become more challenging as your move up in level.
So I mean, yeah, if you take your fully traited and skilled level 80 into a level 10 zone, it's going to be easier. What else would you expect ? The content there is designed so that level 3's with only auto-attack unlocked can handle it.
Exactly this. On top of that, his actual player skill would be a lot of better from all his playtime than when he just started.
Lower level zones don't just have lower level content, they have EASIER content...on purpose.
The content is made easier because...
1. Players of that level don't have the skills/traits that high level people have.
2. It just makes sense that the game should become more challenging as your move up in level.
So I mean, yeah, if you take your fully traited and skilled level 80 into a level 10 zone, it's going to be easier. What else would you expect ? The content there is designed so that level 3's with only auto-attack unlocked can handle it.
Exactly this. On top of that, his actual player skill would be a lot of better from all his playtime than when he just started.
Nitpicking.
I only asked what the point of it was. If it's going to be so easy it takes no effort at all, even if it is just because I am level 80, then whats the point of level scaling?
Lower level zones don't just have lower level content, they have EASIER content...on purpose.
The content is made easier because...
1. Players of that level don't have the skills/traits that high level people have.
2. It just makes sense that the game should become more challenging as your move up in level.
So I mean, yeah, if you take your fully traited and skilled level 80 into a level 10 zone, it's going to be easier. What else would you expect ? The content there is designed so that level 3's with only auto-attack unlocked can handle it.
Exactly this. On top of that, his actual player skill would be a lot of better from all his playtime than when he just started.
Nitpicking.
I only asked what the point of it was. If it's going to be so easy it takes no effort at all, even if it is just because I am level 80, then whats the point of level scaling?
We said it would be easier...not that it would take no effort at all.
The OP grossly exaggerates how much easier it is. You can't go up to a chamption mob and do one hundred blades and kill him, at least you can't at level 36 in the level 1 zone. I don't know about level 80 but I highly doubt it.
Anyway, the points of the downscaling are...
1. To make it so the world is completely open to you at high level. Any zone you level or lower is valid for you to play in. I personally am level 36 and still haven't left the 15-25 zones.
2. To prevent high level people from trivializing low level events and ruining them for their intended players (cough, Rift, cought).
3. To allow friends of different levels to PvE together. My level 48 buddy can always PvE with my leve 36 War, that's pretty awesome.
You are seriously over exaggerating OP, mobs do drop loot that scales to your level and in WoW they wouldn't even be able to hit you while you could 1 hit them with your auto-attack.
Yes it's much easier, but not to the level that you are suggesting.
So you guys can admit that its easier but not admit the system doesn't work? Even though the system was designed so that content would not be trivial?
Down-Leveling syetem: To make all content always require effort.
Down-Leveling system: Does not make all content always require effort.
Dwon-Level system - working as intended?
How?
See that tricky little word 'all?' That's how I know you're not being honest. Certainly not in light of ANet's stated goal and purpose which was to make the lower level zones remain relevant to players who have out-leveled them.
You can still be killed. But you're much more powerful so it's more difficult for you to be killed. Unike most MMOs where the starter area mobs can't even hurt you.
And it's not like they have never bothered to explain it...:
, BUT SHOULD STILL BE CHALLENGING TO PLAY.
Yea, this was my point all along.
A point you tried to make by using starter zones as your main grounding. Sorry, but can't take you seriously with that kind of information.
I actually moved on to a level 40 zone just to check out your theory. Do mobs have more HP than lower level zones? Yep. Do I still kill them 10x faster than I did at that level? Yep. Do I have any worries of dying no matter how much of something I pull? Nope.
Does this defeat the entire purpose of level scaling? Yep.
I'll let ya know as soon as I see a lvl 70+ item drop. Don't hold your breath.
I'm going to blow your mind here. So get ready.
Let's use your entire basis as an example. You are telling me that you are using your greatsword skill hundred blades as a one shotter. Fair enough, I have plenty of time used on that skill as GS is literally my main weapon as my level 80 warrior. So let's play your game here.
You start out in the zone of level 40s or below, don't care where, lets just go with level 40. Do the mobs have much CC to punish you, probably not so let's take the example of no cc. You go around and round up 4-5 mobs, none have cc and u press your 2 key for your GS, watch the animation go and all the mobs are close to dead so you whirlwind your way throu them and bam all gone. Why is this not the case for level 80 mobs?
Let's go to level 80 zone now, almost every mob has some sort of CC. You pull 3-4 mobs, you round them up and you press 2... crap, CC'd that goes on CD, so now you whirlwind throu them and try to makeup for the loss of damage. But sadly you can't as easily. You might be able to kill these same 3-4 mobs, but it takes longer and you get closer to dying.
What is different in these situations you might ask? Well taking your skill hundred blades, which does ungodly damage but at what cost? Oh, that's right, you can't dodge with it or move your character like with other skills. So the likeliness you get off a full hundred blades in level 80 after rounding up a few mobs is much less likely than in level 40. So... you are using a skill that favors damage over survivability. One that I used from 1-80 the whole way throu, and was able to solo 3-4, even up to 6 mobs by myself using that and a mace. Would I be able to get full combo off everytime on all mobs? No, but it was possible for me to still kill everything.
You can't expect the same experience from a level 1 zone to a level 80 zone. Challenging is literally stating that you cannot and will not one shot a mob just because it is lower level than you and they still do some damage to you back. Will it play out like everything else? No. But again, you are experienced with your class at this point, or at least I assume so. I could solo packs of 4-5 mobs throughout playing, solo veterans without any issues, and 2-3 man champions at higher levels. So I don't get your point at all. This game was never challeging for me at all when fighting only 1-3 mobs. Nor was it super challenging fighting a veteran by myself. So why would I assume that if I go back to where I was at before, I would get a completely different experience than when I started.
Lower level zones don't just have lower level content, they have EASIER content...on purpose.
The content is made easier because...
1. Players of that level don't have the skills/traits that high level people have.
2. It just makes sense that the game should become more challenging as your move up in level.
So I mean, yeah, if you take your fully traited and skilled level 80 into a level 10 zone, it's going to be easier. What else would you expect ? The content there is designed so that level 3's with only auto-attack unlocked can handle it.
Exactly this. On top of that, his actual player skill would be a lot of better from all his playtime than when he just started.
Nitpicking.
I only asked what the point of it was. If it's going to be so easy it takes no effort at all, even if it is just because I am level 80, then whats the point of level scaling?
Because it is much better than fighting a greyed out mob, that gives you nothing, does no damage to you, you one shot it. For example, I ran into a skritt cave last night and they did not pose much of a challenge. Then the mobs started to all be veterans and were to much for me. I ran to the mouth of the cave and saw this guardian fighting. A chat bubble conversation later, him and I are piling skrit bones along the cave floor and find this big chest at the end. All....VERY cool.
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I hope the downscaling gets tweeked. As it stands, I am not 1-shotting things, but I am 3 shotting them.
I WANTED to be able to go to lower lvl zones and still have a challenge, right now as it stands there is no challenge. I was slightly disappointed, but meh. Small flaw in an otherwise great game.
Why do you ask some people won't admit that it is not working as previously intended? Because they will not admit their precious isn't so precious after all.
Yea, this was my point all along.
Not true at all. I'm level 65 in a 30-40 zones and mobs drop gear around level 50, sometimes lower, sometimes higher.
As for you thinkin it would be a challenge... well I'm level 65 and hundred blades pretty much takes a level 65 mob down to 20% or lower health. The skill itself is OP. You want a challenge , try rolling another class or another weapon set.
A point you tried to make by using starter zones as your main grounding. Sorry, but can't take you seriously with that kind of information.
I believe the argument to "why would now would be any different" is because that is what the point of level scaling was suppose to be, we were tolld you can go back to any zone you missed and have it still be challenging. Without that level scaling is kind of a joke, basically it equates to putting someone in a 1 on 1 match with Kobi Bryant and saying here you start with 10 points now its a fair match.
I actually moved on to a level 40 zone just to check out your theory. Do mobs have more HP than lower level zones? Yep. Do I still kill them 10x faster than I did at that level? Yep. Do I have any worries of dying no matter how much of something I pull? Nope.
Does this defeat the entire purpose of level scaling? Yep.
I'll let ya know as soon as I see a lvl 70+ item drop. Don't hold your breath.
It works exactly as intended. They have spelled it out, in black-and-white, how it works. Just because YOU failed to comprehend what the developer said, doesn't mean it's not working. Once again:
In PvE, a character's effective level and attributes are automatically reduced based on the enemy levels immediately around the player, and there can be numerous level scalings per area/zone. They retain access to all of their skills and equipment so the area is easier because of this, but should still be challenging to play. [ED -- This means you can die at high level in a starter zone if you're a fool, unlike most MMOs where, even if the mobs aggroed on you, your damage mitigation alone makes it impossible.]
The benefits of this are:
A scaled down character continues to receive experience and loot that is 'good' for their real level, but it is somewhat less efficient for obtaining experience and items than playing level-appropriate content.
Notice they said 'good' AND they tell you it's not nearly as efficient. And it's true. I have gone back to starter areas with friends. The gear is not nearly (on average) as good but I have gotten a few level-appropriate greens (masterwork) items. The XP is lower (about one-third-ish...). The challenge is less, but if you're a fool you can get yourself killed.
It would be nice if you actually understood the goals and desigh of the system you're criticizing. Because clearly you don't. The goal is simple -- no face-roll XP farming, no farming elite drops by exploiting the system, BUT, you get some reward and challenge out of lower-level areas allowing you to, with one character, experience a very broad world.
Quote; [ED -- This means you can die at high level in a starter zone if you're a fool, unlike most MMOs where, even if the mobs aggroed on you, your damage mitigation alone makes it impossible.]
You have a very skewed idea of what "challenging" means.
No you don't. I know it. You know it. Everyone that reads your hyperbole and has played this games knows it. Enjoy your QQ. I've got better things to do than argue with someone who is clearly telling tales.
To me it's not a joke at all, it's brilliant in it's implementation. I am, however, not 80 yet, I am only 33. So I will come back when I am higher and report if I feel the same as i do now.
For now, at 33, I have like 10 or 11 zones that I can level in at any given moment, as well as 5 cities to explore and hang out in. And all of it still presents a challenge and all of it still presents meaningful loot for my level. Each of those 10 leveling zones has a lot of content too and I am deeply immersed in the game world.
So for me it's a great feature so far. Hopefully it stays this way. Maybe they have to adjust the downward scaling of some skills to keep it challenging...
I would imagine that if you equipped green or blue gear quite a few lvls below you things would be different.
The lvl scaling seems percentage based.
I assume at 80 you are in either yellow or orange lvl 80 gear, nicely glyphed to boot?
Most people while leveling are not in in equal lvl rare or exotics.
Probably meaning that your stats as a lvled down 20 something is way beyond that of an actual lvl 20 something.
I do not see a way to change the scaling system without making everything impossible to beat unless your gear is very very good at all lvls.
Making lvl 80 characters scale differently then 1-79 would be sort of a solution but that actually seems unfair to the lvl 80 crowd.
What solution to this would be acceptable?
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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I agree with you, content should be more challenging than 1-3 shotting mobs no matter what the discrepancy on a normal basis (OP skills aside). Start or add to threads on GW2 Guru and Reddit, places we know ANet watches, and link it to us. I guarantee 99% of us here will add or at least look. What you're doing now is venting which I can see but not so effective.
That is unless linking those sites is against ToS here, then don't. I'm horrible about knowing those.
Easy way to change it would be use a cap system instead of a % system. So instead of cutting that 200 power in quarter to 50 for a level 20 zone just look at what level 20 gear gives players, lets say 30 power for example(I made up that number btw) then cap power at 30 for level 20 scaled zones. This would be a lot more accurate then a % scaling system since % don't go up equally through the levels, it would however be much more work I'm sure.
I am done replying to GW2 threads I think. I must have missed being hit by the hypnotoad that zapped people into this GW2 state of mind because, in defense they prove that what they saying is wrong but still continue to ignore fact that they proved their oppositions point.
It can't be easy and yet still hard.
You can't kill steal in GW2 so what is this point about preventing players from griefing lower levels?
The content is still blown though because it is easier anyways so again what is the point of this system?
You are rewarding higher lvl players in lower level zones in a system designed to prevent higher lvl players from camping lower level zones..... what? Yes the system is partly deisgned to stop higher levels from griefing lower levels as they said that right? If the content offered no rewards you'd think that would be a better method than giving them rewards.... but hey I'm sure this all makes sense to anyone having a blast in GW2 so what other people think is irrelevant.
GW2 is a great game. It's has its flaws like every game before it and hopefully they get fixed instead of being ignored untill everyone just gets tired of the game and quits.
Its pretty easy to see whats happening. People play the game, have a valid concern, back up valid concern with what they found in the game, and are belittled by people who have been reading developer hype rather than actually playing.
Not a bad solution, but the cap would have to be the the highest possible you can get with "legit" gear.
As a lvl 20 in all lvl 20 rares, not sure if there are lvl 20 exotics, never seen one drop for sure ( I am lvl 54 only BTW )
Kind of negating a lot of that system, but not all of it, so your idea is a start.
Second step would perhaps be to scale traits differently, at lvl 80 you probably have 2x30 traits giving you 300+ in a bunch of main stats.
Even scaled down that is a lot of stat points a player at appropriate lvl do not have access to!
At my lvl though, and I clear every zone I am in, at lvl 54 I have perhaps done 5 hearts in lvl 35+ zones, I do not "pwn" mobs if I am scaled down 20 levels.
So for those of us still trying to lvl I think the current system is great.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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and what would happen if they did that? people would be on here bitching the game has no sense of power progression... It's a middle ground they found... The amount of armchair developers on here is getting crazyI angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Lower level zones don't just have lower level content, they have EASIER content...on purpose.
The content is made easier because...
1. Players of that level don't have the skills/traits that high level people have.
2. It just makes sense that the game should become more challenging as your move up in level.
So I mean, yeah, if you take your fully traited and skilled level 80 into a level 10 zone, it's going to be easier. What else would you expect
? The content there is designed so that level 3's with only auto-attack unlocked can handle it.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
It would be the same progression as there is already /shrug. Now I will agree that anything is a basis for complaining but armchair developing is a lot better than former.
Personally I am 27 so even going back to most content I don't notice a difference.
Exactly this. On top of that, his actual player skill would be a lot of better from all his playtime than when he just started.
Nitpicking.
I only asked what the point of it was. If it's going to be so easy it takes no effort at all, even if it is just because I am level 80, then whats the point of level scaling?
We said it would be easier...not that it would take no effort at all.
The OP grossly exaggerates how much easier it is. You can't go up to a chamption mob and do one hundred blades and kill him, at least you can't at level 36 in the level 1 zone. I don't know about level 80 but I highly doubt it.
Anyway, the points of the downscaling are...
1. To make it so the world is completely open to you at high level. Any zone you level or lower is valid for you to play in. I personally am level 36 and still haven't left the 15-25 zones.
2. To prevent high level people from trivializing low level events and ruining them for their intended players (cough, Rift, cought).
3. To allow friends of different levels to PvE together. My level 48 buddy can always PvE with my leve 36 War, that's pretty awesome.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I'm going to blow your mind here. So get ready.
Let's use your entire basis as an example. You are telling me that you are using your greatsword skill hundred blades as a one shotter. Fair enough, I have plenty of time used on that skill as GS is literally my main weapon as my level 80 warrior. So let's play your game here.
You start out in the zone of level 40s or below, don't care where, lets just go with level 40. Do the mobs have much CC to punish you, probably not so let's take the example of no cc. You go around and round up 4-5 mobs, none have cc and u press your 2 key for your GS, watch the animation go and all the mobs are close to dead so you whirlwind your way throu them and bam all gone. Why is this not the case for level 80 mobs?
Let's go to level 80 zone now, almost every mob has some sort of CC. You pull 3-4 mobs, you round them up and you press 2... crap, CC'd that goes on CD, so now you whirlwind throu them and try to makeup for the loss of damage. But sadly you can't as easily. You might be able to kill these same 3-4 mobs, but it takes longer and you get closer to dying.
What is different in these situations you might ask? Well taking your skill hundred blades, which does ungodly damage but at what cost? Oh, that's right, you can't dodge with it or move your character like with other skills. So the likeliness you get off a full hundred blades in level 80 after rounding up a few mobs is much less likely than in level 40. So... you are using a skill that favors damage over survivability. One that I used from 1-80 the whole way throu, and was able to solo 3-4, even up to 6 mobs by myself using that and a mace. Would I be able to get full combo off everytime on all mobs? No, but it was possible for me to still kill everything.
You can't expect the same experience from a level 1 zone to a level 80 zone. Challenging is literally stating that you cannot and will not one shot a mob just because it is lower level than you and they still do some damage to you back. Will it play out like everything else? No. But again, you are experienced with your class at this point, or at least I assume so. I could solo packs of 4-5 mobs throughout playing, solo veterans without any issues, and 2-3 man champions at higher levels. So I don't get your point at all. This game was never challeging for me at all when fighting only 1-3 mobs. Nor was it super challenging fighting a veteran by myself. So why would I assume that if I go back to where I was at before, I would get a completely different experience than when I started.
Because it is much better than fighting a greyed out mob, that gives you nothing, does no damage to you, you one shot it. For example, I ran into a skritt cave last night and they did not pose much of a challenge. Then the mobs started to all be veterans and were to much for me. I ran to the mouth of the cave and saw this guardian fighting. A chat bubble conversation later, him and I are piling skrit bones along the cave floor and find this big chest at the end. All....VERY cool.